Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Fernando Perez
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Dave Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, he and I sat together in a sprint room at Scipy and refactored Traits > code (and everything else using setuptools and namespace packages) until we > removed it all, taking timing runs each step of the way. I'd actu

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Darren Dale
On Monday 09 June 2008 6:22:28 pm Dave Peterson wrote: > I didn't intend to start up the root cause discussion again. :-) I only > wanted to point out that I hadn't heard of anyone working on improving > whatever performance problems exist / existed. I just wanted to avoid having a misperception

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Dave Peterson
Darren Dale wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 04:04:47 pm Dave Peterson wrote: Eric Firing wrote: Dave Peterson wrote: That said, given the upcoming release of Traits 3 this situation may get a little crazier. T2 and T3 are not fully api compatible, though they are very close. So

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Dave Peterson
Eric Firing wrote: > Dave Peterson wrote: > >> That said, given the upcoming release of Traits 3 this situation may >> get a little crazier. T2 and T3 are not fully api compatible, though >> they are very close. So I suspect version numbers are going to play >> a larger role in the future. I

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Eric Firing
Dave Peterson wrote: > That said, given the upcoming release of Traits 3 this situation may get > a little crazier. T2 and T3 are not fully api compatible, though they > are very close. So I suspect version numbers are going to play a > larger role in the future. Is there anything we can do

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Dave Peterson
Gael Varoquaux wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 12:04:58PM -0400, Darren Dale wrote: Gael, maybe the following situation caused the trouble: 1) user downloads mpl source 2) builds matplotlib - traits now exists in the temproary build directory 3) installs enthought traits 4) installs

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Dave Peterson
Darren Dale wrote: > I think we would rather make traits an external dependency, if it could be > easily installed as a separate package by a novice python user. Would it be > possible for http://code.enthought.com/projects/traits/ to list specific > instructions and links to the downloads? Or t

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 06:41:08AM -0400, Darren Dale wrote: > I think we would rather make traits an external dependency, if it could be > easily installed as a separate package by a novice python user. Would it be > possible for http://code.enthought.com/projects/traits/ to list specific > ins

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 12:04:58PM -0400, Darren Dale wrote: > Gael, maybe the following situation caused the trouble: > 1) user downloads mpl source > 2) builds matplotlib - traits now exists in the temproary build directory > 3) installs enthought traits > 4) installs matplotlib - traits would n

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Darren Dale
On Monday 09 June 2008 09:52:46 am John Hunter wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Darren Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think we would rather make traits an external dependency, if it could > > be easily installed as a separate package by a novice python user. Would > > it be possible

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread John Hunter
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Darren Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we would rather make traits an external dependency, if it could be > easily installed as a separate package by a novice python user. Would it be > possible for http://code.enthought.com/projects/traits/ to list specif

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-09 Thread Darren Dale
On Monday 09 June 2008 01:27:57 Gael Varoquaux wrote: > On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 06:13:24PM -0400, Darren Dale wrote: > > Matplotlib's setup scripts are designed to avoid this problem. There are > > three conditions under which we install traits: > > > > 1) Traits is not installed > > 2) A previous

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-08 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 06:13:24PM -0400, Darren Dale wrote: > Matplotlib's setup scripts are designed to avoid this problem. There are > three > conditions under which we install traits: > 1) Traits is not installed > 2) A previous version of traits is installed, but it is a version installed

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-08 Thread Darren Dale
On Sunday 08 June 2008 16:57:56 Gael Varoquaux wrote: > Hey guys, > > Just got back from 3 weeks holydays (that feels really good, I should try > this more often). I a fighting with a mountain of emails, but I just > wanted to give a little heads up. Tout is working on the codebase that I > origina

Re: [matplotlib-devel] [Enthought-dev] Python novice stumped by ImportError

2008-06-08 Thread Gael Varoquaux
Hey guys, Just got back from 3 weeks holydays (that feels really good, I should try this more often). I a fighting with a mountain of emails, but I just wanted to give a little heads up. Tout is working on the codebase that I originally wrote and got me addicted to the ETS, at the university of To