Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-18 Thread Jose Luis Marin
Hi Jovan, I do not know of any papers comparing the two cases, but I can tell you a little bit about how we use the concepts of electrical distance excluding loads. Our company produces decision-support tools for real-time transmission operators, which are fully based on algorithmic, model-based

Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-18 Thread Jovan Ilic
Jose, I am interested in applications of electrical distance idea excluding the loads. I would like to read some papers/reports which compare real life networks using electrical distance with and without the loads. I might be completely wrong, ignoring the load might be useful in some situations.

Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-17 Thread Jose Luis Marin
OK thanks, I see what you mean now. The way I see it, I was looking at just the *network*, not the network+load system. In this view, you calculate bus A to bus B distances using just the admittances of the transmission network. In other words, the electric circuit we're considering here has all

Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-17 Thread Jovan Ilic
Jose, Let me clarify. If you run a power flow you can obtain all the currents and transfer the constant P/Q loads into constant RLC you can rebuild your admittance matrix with this new RLC values. From here, calculating the electrical distance using Z matrix is nothing new. However, as soon as

Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Cuffe
Hi Jovan, all, Thanks for contributing those points! It's interesting to note that the resistance distance between nodes can also be calculated by simpler eigen/spectral techniques, as in http://repository.ias.ac.in/77807/ and so matrix inversions aren't essential. Anyway, I more meant "quick

Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-17 Thread Jose Luis Marin
Jovan, I agree it's not fast and efficient, as it involves inverting the admittance matrix. However, I do not see why not Klein's impedance distance could be used in power networks. I mean, the fact that some (ok, most) injections are expressed as constant power does not invalidate the fact that

Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-17 Thread Jovan Ilic
Paul, I would not call calculating Zbus "fast and efficient". Also, using resistance distance might make sense in standard electric circuits but it does not make sense in power networks with constant powers. As far as I know there is not a very good, theoretically sound, way of calculating elect

Re: Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Cuffe
Hi Hans, There is indeed a fast and efficient way to calculate this, though you don't encounter it often in the power systems literature. You can use the Klein resistance distance, as defined here: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01164627 Once you have inverted your Ybus matrix t

Calculation of a full Y-matrix

2015-02-17 Thread Barrios, Hans
Hello everybody, I was wondering if somebody had already the following issue: I would like to create a "full version" of the Y-matrix, i.e. a matrix where (as long as there is only one synchronous grid) the admittance between each bus is given, even if the bus are not connected directly by one b