Re: [MediaWiki-l] php-fpm worker crashes when editing article

sorry, I don't know what the problem is Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 4:17 PM Mike Brown wrote: > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 07:31:42AM -0400, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote: > > Is the PCRE version 8+? > > Yes, it's 8.43,

Re: [MediaWiki-l] php-fpm worker crashes when editing article

s://freephile.org On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:27 PM Mike Brown wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 07:41:23PM -0400, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote: > > What does total RAM look like, and is there a swap partition? > > > > I'm wondering if Apache and MySQL are battling for RAM &

Re: [MediaWiki-l] php-fpm worker crashes when editing article

What does total RAM look like, and is there a swap partition? I'm wondering if Apache and MySQL are battling for RAM Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 4:00 PM Mike Brown wrote: > After updating MediaWiki, PHP, and MySQL, I'm fairly

Re: [MediaWiki-l] non-server side wiki dumps

I would think the scripts lsarra mentioned would work best for MediaWiki. That said, there are a large number of 'archiving' tools that let you take copies of websites for historical preservation and backup: e.g. https://github.com/pirate/ArchiveBox/wiki/Web-Archiving-Community#The-Master-Lists

[MediaWiki-l] Mod_rewrite broke my images?

i setup my mod_rewrite rules[1] in order to support multiple language wikis at wiki/en wiki/es wiki/fr wiki/de etc. But somehow I've destroyed the ability to view and/or upload images Can anyone help me get my images back? Aside, are there any decent online tools (like regexr.com) for working

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Updating a Wiki page

Hi Markice, On this list you can find volunteer help from the MediaWiki community. You can also find help at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk (with links to even more like IRC) For upgrading your wiki, the documentation can be found at

[MediaWiki-l] skin new header and footer

Short of writing a full skin, is there a recommended way to manipulate and/or replace the standard (Vector) MediaWiki header and footer? What I'm specifically looking to do is manipulate the content at the very top and bottom of the page (aka frame the content), by manipulating the content and

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Hint on Media Wiki:Common.css

The interface message will be found at the page MediaWiki:Clearyourcache (e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Clearyourcache) Only persons with the editinterface right will be able to edit that page (admins can by default) If your page is blank, you can supply the text from the

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Reset password mail wont send

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: > You could temporarily set $wgPasswordReminderResendTime to a lower value > than 24. > > Thanks Bartosz, That is a variable I didn't know about: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgPasswordReminderResendTime I actually used

[MediaWiki-l] Reset password mail wont send

At my wiki Special:PasswordReset I receive the error message: A password reset email has already been sent, within the last 24 hours. To prevent abuse, only one password reset email will be sent per 24 hours. The problem is that it's been far longer than 24 hours since the last password reset

[MediaWiki-l] User Event Notices

MediaWiki provides certain user feedback as you reach milestones, or certain events occur: "You've created your first edit" "You were mentioned in ..." "Congratulations on one year" (I could be mistaken about this one... I know Discourse does it) I believe the 'notifications' system [1] is

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Permanently removing "Upload file" link from sidebar

You could set $wgUploadNavigationUrl to false, and then the sidebar link will only appear if the user has upload permissions. The link however is for 'local uploads', so it's still going to be the traditional upload form. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUploadNavigationUrl You could

[MediaWiki-l] Switch wiki from folder to subdomain: SEO hit?

Say you are the owner of example.com with a wiki at www.example.com/wiki Say you decide to move the wiki to it's own subdomain: wiki.example.com/wiki. Would there necessarily be any "hit" on SEO assuming you implement permanent redirects at the www site? Or, in your experience, is it best to

Re: [MediaWiki-l] MobileFrontend as default view

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 6:43 AM Sigbert Klinke wrote: > Hi, > > I like the view of a wiki page under MobileFrontend. Is is possible to > make this the default view for any browser, even when it is running on a > desktop? > > > Make your default skin 'minerva'

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Multiple wikis on the same server w/ElasticSearch

Yes, you can have multiple wikis attached to a single instance of Elasticsearch. Each wiki will have it's own series of indexes in Elasticsearch. Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Jim Hu wrote: > Can I have different wikis use the

Re: [MediaWiki-l] How to delete erroneous file 'Common.css'?

> > > I'm now coming to the belief that it possibly relates to how I set up > > wiki-tgmeds. I set up wiki-drugfacts and got it working as I wanted, and > > then I created the wiki-tgmeds directory at /var/www/html/wiki-tgmeds > > and then proceeded to manually populate the directory with an

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Best way to download versions of extensions for MW 1.24?

Just click the '*tgz*' link and you'll receive a download of all the files for the extension, from the REL1_24 branch as of that git commit id. Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Morten Blaabjerg wrote: > Is it possible to download

Re: [MediaWiki-l] EU’s GDPR and MediaWiki

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:55 AM, [[kgh]] wrote: > > Moreover they regrettably do not specifiy a license so this one may be > assumed a copyrighted extension. > > > *Any* extension developed for MediaWiki and "distributed" (as is the case here), can be assumed to be

Re: [MediaWiki-l] EU’s GDPR and MediaWiki

...@gmail.com> wrote: > On May 16, 2018 at 1:00:13 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) ( > g...@freephile.com) wrote: > > Bump. > > Is anything happening at WMF to assist corporate compliance directors and > site administrators, who run MediaWiki, in their obligations with res

Re: [MediaWiki-l] EU’s GDPR and MediaWiki

information about how Wikimedia Sweden is tackling the issue. [1] [1] https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kategori:GDPR Thanks, ~ Greg Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) < g...@freephile.com> wrote: > Is

Re: [MediaWiki-l] EU’s GDPR and MediaWiki

Is there any update on GDPR compliance for third-parties using MediaWiki software? Aside from Sabine Melnicki's presentation [1] at EMWCon in March, demonstrating the 'Data Cockpit' application to track compliance [2], I'm not aware of any extensions, or methods for ensuring compliance for

Re: [MediaWiki-l] what hook for adding html right after tag regardless of skin

Rich, If your needs are fairly basic, you could easily do something with MediaWiki:Common.js (Interface/JS ) to inject a new element wiki-wide. (Note that if you want the

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Proposal to make this mailing list publically indexable by search engines

There are ways to combat bots, both on-list with configuration like *obscure_addresses*, and through the process of archiving. [1] Decent email providers like GMail do a great job of filtering spam for the end user. Others like Comcast or Verizon do not. There are many ways that the end user can

Re: [MediaWiki-l] help with hook in localsettings

Hi Rich, I'm not a hook expert, so not sure about this. But, the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/OutputPageBeforeHTML manual shows that it acts on both $out and $text. Furthermore, the talk page says that using the first could lead to an infinite loop, so I'd suggest using $text for

Re: [MediaWiki-l] New Between the Brackets episode: Daren Welsh and James Montalvo

This is awesome! Thanks Yaron, James and Daren Greg ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Unable to install any version other than MW 1.28

Check your Apache configuration. sudo apachectl -S I think will show you the virtual hosts that Apache knows about. My guess is that you are actually running a version installed by your package manager and not the one that you are manipulating. You could also look at the Apache configuration

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Question about older extensions ?

Did you miss the answer that Kunal Mehta gave you last week? https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2018-March/047324.html Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Rowe, Dolores A wrote: > Although

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Mediawiki Job queue not running

://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) < g...@freephile.com> wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > As the error says, you're running out of memory on the execution of > runJobs.php > > Try > > php maintenance/runJobs.php

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Mediawiki Job queue not running

Hi Andrew, As the error says, you're running out of memory on the execution of runJobs.php Try php maintenance/runJobs.php --memory-limit max --maxjobs 5 If that completes without error, then try increasing the number of jobs allowed with --maxjobs Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Lingo extension needs testing

I use at least the last three, and will test this weekend Thanks for the work on Lingo!! Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Stephan Gambke wrote: > I worked on the Lingo extension ([1]) in the past few days,

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Parsoid (Heroku) & Mediawiki

> > Hi Greg, > > I have actually already tried adding the REMOTE_ADDR snippet. I have used > both 127.0.0.1 and the IP Address of the remote server (I ping the app > address to get the IP). But still getting the same result. > > So, where is Parsoid running in relation to the new wiki server? Is

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Parsoid (Heroku) & Mediawiki

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:22 PM, wrote: > Hi Guys, > > We have been running Private MediaWiki with VisualEditor and using Parsoid > provided by a Heroku instance for some time and this has worked with out an > issue. > > We recently needed to move our Wiki to a new host

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Installing the MediaWiki Math extension is easier now

Great news on the advancement of the Math extension. I would like to point out for those unaware, there is also the SimpleMathJax extension which uses the same MathJax backend, but instead of requiring your own service on the backend, it does the substitutions client-side. SimpleMathJax is what

Re: [MediaWiki-l] New MediaWiki podcast: "Between the Brackets"

Thanks Yaron, I just had a chance to listen in on the podcast, and I really enjoyed getting even more in-depth perspective on everything going on "between the brackets" -- especially with Cindy's expertise, contributions and vision. Thanks so much for your first podcast, and I hope it flourishes

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Updating with git - reloading extensions?

If you have lots of extensions; and maintain a git checkout for each extension, I wrote a script to help with upgrades: https://freephile.org/wiki/MediaWiki/Upgrade/REL1_26_to_REL1_27 The script checks each extension directory for a .git dir, the status of the current checkout, whether or not

Re: [MediaWiki-l] eye-catching (ugly!) skin

1 creswikiadmin www 47 May 7 2012 required.gif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 creswikiadmin www325 May 7 2012 user.gif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 creswikiadmin www169 May 7 2012 video.png > > -rw-r--r-- 1 creswikiadmin www 8013 May 7 2012 wiki-indexed.png > > -rw-r--r-- 1 cresw

Re: [MediaWiki-l] eye-catching (ugly!) skin

Unless you have sitewide CSS controlled by the Gadgets extension like MW.org, in which case the interface is at a URL like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-site.css Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Greg Rundlett

Re: [MediaWiki-l] eye-catching (ugly!) skin

Just edit MediaWiki:Common.css on the old wiki to include something like * { background-color:yellow!important; } I'm sure that will do the trick! Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Bakkies Gatvol wrote: >

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Database errors after crash

Hi Jon, What version of MySQL are you using (5.7.?) If using the latest MySQL or MariaDB server, you'll have better performance and features. At 5.7.x, you've already got full-text searching in innodb tables. As Jan Steinman pointed out, in general, always dump your data using mysqldump (as

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Database errors after crash

Go ahead and stop Apache, and if you haven't already, make a disk copy of your mysql data directory for backups. Then start MySQL alone. See if you get any errors from starting MySQL (find logs at /var/log/mysql/error_log or similar). Post any errors. If the db server is running, do some checks

Re: [MediaWiki-l] "You don't have permission to access /wiki-tgmeds/index.php/Main_Page on this server"

> > sudo apache2ctl -S will show you how Apache is deciphering the currently enabled virtual hosts. > A lot of times, the "default" site will end up handling requests that you think are destined for "your" website. You can disable the default, with sudo a2dissite Then simply type "000-default"

Re: [MediaWiki-l] "You don't have permission to access /wiki-tgmeds/index.php/Main_Page on this server"

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > I've been trying to find a solution to this problem but my googling is > failing me. > > I am trying to set up 2 local mediawiki blogs on this machine using > Debian 9 and Apache/2.4.25. They will not be web

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Another Moving a Mediawiki Question

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:59 PM, wrote: > Hello > > I've been discussing a relocation of the Placeography mediawiki > with the Minnesota historical society. > > They are contacting orgs similiar to themselves. > > Would like to know options for moving Placeography to a server

Re: [MediaWiki-l] move/upgrade ancient MediaWiki 1.18.3

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Bakkies Gatvol wrote: > I have been asked to "make production" an ancient intra-net installation > > Should be able to do the upgrade in one go. The installer will take your database through successive upgrades from 1.18 to current. I'd put

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Image thumbnailing in MediaWiki

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:51 AM, [[kgh]] wrote: > Building up on this information: > > I have once tried to switch from "regular thumb handling" to "404 thumb > handling" on an existing wiki and found that this does not work since as > a result no thumbs were rendered

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Drupal 7 and MediaWiki

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Johnny Guo wrote: > I was wondering if it was possible to have a MediaWiki section inside a > Drupal website and how it would be done. > Any more details on what you're trying to accomplish? Are you talking about a "headless" or "decoupled"

[MediaWiki-l] Html2Wiki upgraded to Extension Registration system

We're pleased to announce that the Html2Wiki extension [1] has been updated to use the new Extension Registration system available since MediaWiki REL1_25 This simply means that you can wfLoadExtension( 'Html2Wiki' ); in LocalSettings.php There are no new features, but the extension should still

Re: [MediaWiki-l] deleteOldRevisions.php is an accident waiting to happen

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Jean Valjean wrote: > I came up with something a little safer and easier for those who just want > to delete old revisions from one namespace: https://www.mediawiki.org/ > wiki/User:KryptoKronic/deleteOldRevisions.php I don't know how

Re: [MediaWiki-l] deleteOldRevisions.php is an accident waiting to happen

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 12:07 AM, Jean Valjean wrote: > Today, a friend of mine had a few really long wiki pages whose revision > histories he wanted to delete (specifically, chapters 1-117 of The Count of > Monte Cristo), to save some space in his database. So, he went

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Architecture document

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > Thats awesome that you are making this. > > One small correction - wmf no longer uses cdb files for interwiki cache. We > now use just a php array thats included so that the hhvm opcode cacher can > cache it. > > Thanks for

[MediaWiki-l] Architecture document

On my wiki, I'm working on an architecture document [1] to explain how you would best serve MediaWiki in a scalable, performant way. One goal of this paper is to update the information at mw:Manual:MediaWiki architecture [2] so that people everywhere can learn best how to implement MediaWiki.

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Adding an Alexa script

://freephile.org On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) < g...@freephile.com> wrote: > The hook implementation in LocalSettings.php > > Greg Rundlett > https://eQuality-Tech.com > https://freephile.org > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jean Valjean

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Adding an Alexa script

The hook implementation in LocalSettings.php Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jean Valjean wrote: > What's the best way to add an Alexa script to your MediaWiki installation? > They were talking about it

Re: [MediaWiki-l] MW expert wanted to do some configuration

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 9:20 AM, David Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to find a PHP developer to manage some configuration updates on my > MW. I'm busy on other projects and don't have time. > > The work to be done is: > > * Update ImageMagick > * Update PHP to version

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Dice extension

I assume you'll hear back from Dan Shiovitz, admin for inky.org. But If you need more contact info, I hope you saw this: https://inky.org/resume.html btw, I don't understand the utility of this extension. Is it useful for game wikis? ~ Greg ​ ___

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Sitenotice for all pages except one

You could use the CSS extension [1] to simply hide the display on the Main Page. I haven't tested it, but syntax like this on the Main Page should work (with the CSS extension enabled): {{ #css: #siteNotice { display:none; } }} [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS Greg Rundlett

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Browser extension to save the text of all submitted revisions to the local machine

To preserve, backup, archive or otherwise find out about existing resources which would help with those activities, check out http://www.archiveteam.org and http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=WikiTeam Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Keeps saying A LocalSettings.php file has been detected.

maybe "locate LocalSettings.php" will help you find where the other is being detected (assuming linux) Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Andrius D. Ilgunas wrote: > I hadn't tried that, preferring to stay away

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Creating branches of all articles

I think the namespace idea could work, but makes searching harder. (Search isn't automatically extended across namespaces.) One approach is to allow 'subpages' in your main wiki namespace. Then you can structure your documentation based on version and use templates to guide the user. That's how

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Individual page CSS sheets?

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Daniel Barrett wrote: > Bart Humphries asked: > >How would I set up individual CSS sheets for individual pages? > > There are wiki extensions on mediawiki.org for adding CSS. See > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:CSS > > If you just need

[MediaWiki-l] freeloading off the community

Wiki-site.com is a wiki hosting company, listed at https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Starting_and_Running_a_Wiki_Website/Hosted_Wikis Their "Support Contact" page [1] for paid wikis says: "For wiki management support, we've created a forum at the following address" (links to THIS list!!) Rami

Re: [MediaWiki-l] still questions about thumbnails and previews

Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Jingyi C. Shi wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks to some help about my previous thumbnails question: "I uploaded a > png image but no thumbnails created in the File page." > > I have

Re: [MediaWiki-l] no thumbnails after uploading an image

You're running out of memory... Check the $wgMaxShellMemory in LocalSettings.php Try something like this: //increase thumbnailing memory $wgMaxShellMemory = 307200; # 300MB Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Vektor Skin

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:59 AM, Twerp Number Nine < persistente_ano...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hey there > > > is the Vektor skin still maintained? I did an update on the 1.26 branch > today and was surprised to see that the Vektor skin did not work with it > ... that broke the style of my page.

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Which plugin(s) give the sysop group ?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Aaron Gray wrote: > Hi, > > I have just installed a fresh new 1.26.3 MediaWiki. > > I cannot seem to find the sysop functionality. > > Presumably this is in a plugin/extension ? > Not an extension. The 'sysop' privilege is built-in.

Re: [MediaWiki-l] MediaWiki:Common.css not accessible?

run "composer install" in geshi's directory (extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi) That should take care of the PHP Fatal Error: Class 'Symfony\Component\Process\ProcessBuilder' not found [1] [1] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/669074 Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Auth0 and MediaWiki?

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Daniel Barrett wrote: > Is anybody using Auth0 (https://auth0.com/) for authentication on a > MediaWiki system? We are looking into it, but we've found no existing > extensions for MediaWiki. > > (Hi Dan) I'm also interested in Single Sign-On

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Username/Password Recovery using email address

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Dustin Phillips wrote: > My wiki is lacking the functionality to recover a username or password > using an email address. The installed version is 1.24.2. > > I have noticed that v 1.26.2 has this functionality by default. > > How can I

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Registration open for EMWCon Spring 2016

Thanks for organizing this. Really looking forward to it. It's going to be great! Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Yaron Koren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Registration is now open for the Spring 2016 Enterprise

Re: [MediaWiki-l] GMail refusing mail from rationalwiki.org, site not in DNSBLs - what to do?

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:07 AM, David Gerard wrote: > GMail is being flaky as hell about accepting or not accepting email > from the RW server, 173.255.233.133 - sometimes works, sometimes hits > spam, sometimes gets 550 refused (with no particular reason given). > Google

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Wonky Import process needs Help

The path configuration in LocalSettings.php is probably incorrect. See $wgScriptPath etc. Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Thomas Mulhall thomasmulhall...@yahoo.com wrote: And look your error log to see where error is coming from.

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Reorganizing your wiki when the whole world changes...?

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com wrote: Imagine the impact on Wikipedia if, say, the periodic table of the elements from chemistry was completely revamped, changing the name of every element, the groupings of elements, etc. It's easy enough to fix the

Re: [MediaWiki-l] New extensions from Vistaprint

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Daniel Renfro dren...@vistaprint.com wrote: Cheers Greg, We here at Vistaprint have very little experience with SMW/SMW forms. I personally experimented with it at my last job[1] but haven't used it in years. Our staff directory consists of a home-rolled

Re: [MediaWiki-l] New extensions from Vistaprint

Hi guys, I'd like to build a staff directory using Semantic MediaWiki and smw forms. Just wondering if you tackled such a thing and might be able to share. Or, do you know where to find an example since my Google-fu is failing me. ~ Greg Greg Rundlett http://eQuality-Tech.com