Hi,
On 10/04/2011 12:06 PM, ext Jon Nordby wrote:
Yes, one would want Scratchbox or similar in addition to what OBS
provides. However, there is nothing that prevents Scratchbox from being
used together with RPM and an RPM based distro is there?
You need some support for RPM tools in SB and OBS
Hi,
On 10/04/2011 03:08 PM, ext Tom Swindell wrote:
OBS is built with packaging in mind, so it builds packages locally and
on servers in a sanitized environment. Scratchbox may be polluted by
whatever packages a developer has installed and makes dependency
tracking a bit harder IMO.
OBS and Sc
Hi,
2 weeks after the announcement of tizen Meego is unclear what kind of death he
will die? N.
> >
> > Probably.
> >
> >> Probably, an error of Nokia with the N900 is trying to mix both developers
> >> and users. This is an error.
> >
> > Can you explain this a bit more? Do you mean N
Probably.
Probably, an error of Nokia with the N900 is trying to mix both developers
and users. This is an error.
Can you explain this a bit more? Do you mean Nokia N900 as a product, or what
we are doing with MeeGo Community edition? If you mean latter, I probably
understand what you mean.
> > My personal view (which is partly based on my marketing job) is that
> > you have to start off focused on a very visible end user experience in
> > order to get the project the necessary publicity. For your own
> > governance reasons you will probably want to make sure the split
> > between co
My personal view (which is partly based on my marketing job) is that you have
to start off focused on a very visible end user experience in order to get the
project the necessary publicity. For your own governance reasons you will
probably want to make sure the split between core and "vendor" is
Some of us already have companies which can do that :) doing it on a global mer
scale may lead to politics again...On 06/10/2011 17:03 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
If you guys are serious about this, create a company. Then you can
sign NDA's which you'll need when you approach the commercial hardware
de
If you guys are serious about this, create a company. Then you can
sign NDA's which you'll need when you approach the commercial hardware
developers.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Jespersen wrote:
> Den 06-10-2011 07:11, Carsten Munk skrev:
>>
>> Den her kan jeg vidst godt svare på dansk
Den 06-10-2011 07:11, Carsten Munk skrev:
Den her kan jeg vidst godt svare på dansk :)
:-)
Jeg tror at for at få bedst success, så er det bedst at have noget
ordentligt at vise før vi virkelig rækker ud til firmaer. Vi skal også
have vendor-historien på plads, inkl. dokumentation hvordan ma
o/
2011/10/6 Ville M. Vainio
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Graham Cobb wrote:
>
> > My personal view (which is partly based on my marketing job) is that you
> have
> > to start off focused on a very visible end user experience in order to
> get the
> > project the necessary publicity. For
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Graham Cobb wrote:
> My personal view (which is partly based on my marketing job) is that you have
> to start off focused on a very visible end user experience in order to get the
> project the necessary publicity. For your own governance reasons you will
Yeah,
On Thursday 06 October 2011 07:33:24 Carsten Munk wrote:
> We have chosen to move out the hardware adaptations and UX'es out of
> the core, into the community surrounding it, to get rid of a lot of
> politics - to concentrate on what's technically good and benefits us
> all - not having to maintain
2011/10/6 d4lamar :
>> * That primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not end-users.
>
> I think that this point in Mer Project or in any other branch/fork of
> Meego is to be corrected.
>
> Vendors come and vendors go, they don't care about Community as long
> as they can use it for
Hi to all,
I'm only a lurker of Meego mailing lists and I have never contributed
to the project, but this time I would like to write some words about.
> * That primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not end-users.
I think that this point in Mer Project or in any other branch/fork
2011/10/5 Jeremiah Foster :
>> Distrowatch are server and dektop disties. The special thing in MeeGo was
>> that
>> the focus was on emerging devices.
>
> And how exactly did it do that? By using Connman? By using an "embedded"
> Linux kernel? Btrfs? By being "small"? What exactly makes MeeGo diffe
Again, I agree with the project, if Mer can resurrect Maemo/MeeGo then I
am all for it!
On 04/10/2011 08:57, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
ma, 2011-10-03 kello 19:09 +0100, Si Howard kirjoitti:
I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to
the Nokia N8X0 platform?
That's one way
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Samuel Stirtzel
wrote:
>
> 2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster :
> >> Can a mobile
> >> segment distro like MeeGo be really compared with a desktop segment
> >> distro like e.g. embedded Ubuntu? (This is not relative to your
> >> message but a general rhetorical question.)
>
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Stefan Werden wrote:
> Jeremiah Foster hat am 4. Oktober 2011 um
> 20:42
> geschrieben:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Stefan Werden
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > switching to debian would mean making a complete new projekt.
> >
> >
> > Nope, it woul
Hi,
sorry for re-sending this Jeremiah, but I've missed that this mail was
not sent to the list, my bad.
2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster :
...
>
>>
>> Can a mobile
>> segment distro like MeeGo be really compared with a desktop segment
>> distro like e.g. embedded Ubuntu? (This is not relative to your
>
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Stefan Werden wrote:
> Hi,
>
> switching to debian would mean making a complete new projekt.
Nope, it would merely mean adding software to the Debian project, it
wouldn't require a new project at all. Debian would host the infrastructure
(it has its own IRC, build
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Samuel Stirtzel
wrote:
[snip]
>
> 2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster :
> >> OBS is built with packaging in mind, so it builds packages locally and
> >> on servers in a sanitized environment. Scratchbox may be polluted by
> >> whatever packages a developer has installed and
2011/10/4 Samuel Stirtzel :
>> Before it was just big companies that could create their own Linux distros
>> (before that everyone had their bespoke UNIX distro) nowadays fragmentation
>> is brought to you by every Tom, Dick and Harry with an OBS login.
>> I've been down the fragmentation road befo
Hi,
maybe I'm wrong but the Scratchbox mailing lists looks pretty dead
right now (see [1]). Is there any community alive behind it, or should
the "new MeeGo project" reanimate Scratchbox if it would be used?
2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster :
>> OBS is built with packaging in mind, so it builds packages
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Jeremiah Foster
wrote:
>>
>> I think what Carsten means by "growing an organisation organically" is
>> that OBS allows multiple users to create their own repositories, it
>> allows us to separate different projects into different repositories for
>> staging or logic
OBS is a very useful tool, just not for the purposes you were
apparently forced to use it for. I've used it for the commit, push
package, wait for build failure type development cycle as well, and I
agree, it's far from optimal - but for easily making heavily
There are couple of ways to speed up
Other reasons for keeping OBS include trying to change as little as
possible from what MeeGo has done. So those vendors that are possibly
already accustomed and are currently using MeeGo facilities, like OBS.
Can easily migrate to Mer. There really isn't much point in debating
this, Carsten has m
2011/10/4 karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com :
> Hello,
> I think one of the things with the MeeGo was that it was a downgrade in
> development environment, CI systems and everything from our
> Maemo.
So, for good measure - those CI systems were never open source or
published outside the Maemo organisa
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Tom Swindell wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 13:58 +0200, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg
> > wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk
> > wrote:
> > > Long story short: buildd and
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 13:58 +0200, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg
> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk
> wrote:
> > Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but
> only when
> > you'
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Jeremiah Foster
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk wrote:
>> > Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but only when
>> > you're doing Debian and Debian only.
>
> Exc
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM, karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com <
karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is just my 0.02 cents. I would think it should be done like this:
>
> - Take the debian based distro and development environment (that works) as
> a basis. It works. Look at H
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk wrote:
> > Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but only when
> > you're doing Debian and Debian only.
>
Except it was built by Canonical for Ubuntu and is used by Linaro. But
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk wrote:
> Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but only when
> you're doing Debian and Debian only. OBS is different in many
> different ways and allows a proper productization environment as well
> as growing an organisation organicall
On 10/04/2011 12:06 PM, Jon Nordby wrote:
Don't go around trying to changing everything if what you're missing is
just Scratchbox.
I also liked the Scratchbox, despite the problems.
For MeeGo stuff I use this (ARM chroot created from the osc local build):
http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2011/07/0
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Robin Burchell
wrote:
> it can be looked at. We've chosen the approach of minimal change
> because it means we have a working system with less effort.
>
I realize this, does this mean that once we find someone to sponsor
the servers we just deploy OBS on it and we
2011/10/4 Sivan Greenberg :
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Robin Burchell
> wrote:
>>
>> OBS is a very useful tool, just not for the purposes you were
>> apparently forced to use it for. I've used it for the commit, push
>> package, wait for build failure type development cycle as well, and I
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Robin Burchell
wrote:
>
> OBS is a very useful tool, just not for the purposes you were
> apparently forced to use it for. I've used it for the commit, push
> package, wait for build failure type development cycle as well, and I
> agree, it's far from optimal - but
Hi Sivan (& others),
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote:
> Again, why don't we forget reinventing the infrastructure in the price
> of using debs (which is a known a loved format for embedded computing
> everywhere, and since RPM and DEBs are just a way of packaging and not
>
On 10/04/11 11:07, Sivan Greenberg wrote:
I just think it would have been better if we (The Nokia linux
organization and the fans) did not have to go through the MeeGo
hurdle, and as you say in detail, look at harmattan and how slick and
beautiful is as a product. (I use it in N950 as my everyday
Hi Karoliina,
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM, karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Killing scratchbox without a replacement (OBS is not a replacement!) is not
> very
> good choice.
MeeGo was theoretically usable in qemu, unfortunately, I don't think a
lot of effort was put into that directi
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Carsten Munk wrote:
> 4) Work towards better vendor relations and software to support these
> as well as easier contribution methods.
>
> As part of our "customer oriented" goal we're improving delivery
> methods from Mer. We are designing simpler and more resilient
I just think it would have been better if we (The Nokia linux
organization and the fans) did not have to go through the MeeGo
hurdle, and as you say in detail, look at harmattan and how slick and
beautiful is as a product. (I use it in N950 as my everyday phone and
no *other* OS/ device even comes
Hello,
I think one of the things with the MeeGo was that it was a downgrade in
development environment, CI systems and everything from our
Maemo. All that has been made for debian based distro and the change to the
rpm does not make slightest sense. The debian based distro and everything
that surr
ma, 2011-10-03 kello 19:09 +0100, Si Howard kirjoitti:
> I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to
> the Nokia N8X0 platform?
That's one way of putting it, but it was indeed about reconstructing
Maemo so that it worked as a whole distribution. That then made possible
to
com] On
Behalf Of ext Carsten Munk
Sent: 3. lokakuuta 2011 9:01
To: meego-dev; meego-comm...@meego.com
Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for
MeeGo
Hi all,
MeeGo is dead ... long live Tizen !! - Haven't we heard that before? - Maemo,
Moblin?
We n
I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to
the Nokia N8X0 platform?
On 03/10/2011 07:01, Carsten Munk wrote:
Hi all,
MeeGo is dead ... long live Tizen !! - Haven't we heard that before? -
Maemo, Moblin?
We need a community that transcends the mere branding of MeeGo,
On 3 October 2011 11:31, Carsten Munk wrote:
> We have some clear goals:
>
> * To be openly developed and openly governed as a meritocracy
> * That primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not
> end-users.
> * To provide a device manufacturer oriented structure, processes and
> tool
Hi,
+1 Nicola
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Oggetto: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for
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> Hi all,
>
> MeeGo is dead
Il 10/03/2011 09:01 AM, Carsten Munk ha scritto:
The goal is to find a truly sustainable way for MeeGo and other
interested communities to work with Tizen.
Our solution is the Mer Project:
[...]
That's fantastic! I can't make any promises, as "free time" is an
obsolete concept for me, but I'l
Hi,
Sounds great! Count me in.
--
Iekku
>-Original Message-
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>Sent: 03 October, 2011 09:01
>To: meego-dev; meego-comm...@meego.com
>Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconst
Hi,
>-Original Message-
>From: Randall Arnold
>
>>From: Carsten Munk
>>To: meego-dev ; meego-comm...@meego.com
>>Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:01 AM
>>Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and
>direction for MeeGo
>>
>
>From: Carsten Munk
>To: meego-dev ; meego-comm...@meego.com
>Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:01 AM
>Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for
>MeeGo
>
>Hi all,
>
>MeeGo is dead ... long live Ti
Carsten Hi,
Your aims are why I was draw to MeeGo in the first place and its good to see
you aiming even higher.
'We will continue to welcome contribution and participation from the
hacker community - in fact we aim to make it so easy to port to a new
vendor device that a single hacker could do i
2011/10/3 Timo Härkönen :
>
>
> 2011/10/3 Carsten Munk
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Our solution is the Mer Project:
>>
>
> Excellent! count me in.
>
> A few questions about the project's communication channels? Do we use these
> MeeGo mailing list, the meego-* IRC channels or are we moving somewhere?
> (I
2011/10/3 Carsten Munk
> Hi all,
>
> Our solution is the Mer Project:
>
>
Excellent! count me in.
A few questions about the project's communication channels? Do we use these
MeeGo mailing list, the meego-* IRC channels or are we moving somewhere?
(IMO moving to mer-specific channels would make s
Hi all,
MeeGo is dead ... long live Tizen !! - Haven't we heard that before? -
Maemo, Moblin?
We need a community that transcends the mere branding of MeeGo, Maemo,
Moblin - and now Tizen.
A lot of proposals have been put forward:
* Move to Tizen and trust that "They'll get it right this time"
*
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