Re: [MBZ] quality, was Brake Lines

2007-07-19 Thread Rich Thomas
What about \/ I /-\ GR/-\? --R LWB250 wrote: > > They had good Rolex knock-offs, too. > > Dan > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or

[MBZ] OT: More HF Must Have Tools

2007-07-19 Thread Rich Thomas
This one just arrived. Got a powder coating device for $50 and a bunch of other random useful stuff cheap. Some of this stuff, for occasional use when you need it, is OK. The blood from the prisoners washes off pretty easily. --R http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/emails/display.do?fname=29

Re: [MBZ] Way too much OT?

2007-07-19 Thread Wonko the Sane
On 7/19/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I realize, though, that it can annoying for those without a system like > gmail. > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebe

Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed

2007-07-19 Thread Wonko the Sane
Tom: My rule of thumb is this: Craftsman in my garage (many hanging on a pegboard). Cheapo stuff in my Benz trunk's toolbox for emergency repairs. I guess I am a product of the GSA cheap crap that we were issued in the military. It got so bad that I finally turned in my GSA tools, purchased every

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Wonko the Sane
I will second what John said. I've bought from the dealership in Des Moines twice, in both cases to buy really small/cheap stuff that I needed. I had to be in Des Moines anyway, but even if I'd had to drive the 90 minute round trip, the fuel was cheaper than paying Rusty's shipping on a $5 item. B

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Wonko the Sane
Exactly. Consider it the ultimate two-fer (IowaQ and RustyQ). What better place/time to celebrate Benz-ism than in the middle of a harvest of potential tanks of ethanol and soy-diesel. On 7/19/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:57:20 -0400 "Rusty Cullens" <[

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread John Robbins
Peter T. Arnold wrote: > That's when you should call Rusty fast. He can o'nite it to you. Your > dealer can try to get the part and over charge you. I don't buy high dollar items from the dealer. I buy stuff from the dealer (the one in Huntsville actually charges list... not over like some of

Re: [MBZ] [OT] Chinese planes.

2007-07-19 Thread E M
I just finished reading a book by the guy how was pretty much behind the design and building of the 747. While working on the 747, he was in China and noticed what was pretty much a copy of their then 707. The idea was that China wanted to make their on inhouse plane. I believe it never left the

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:57:20 -0400 "Rusty Cullens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are thinking about having RustyQ 2007 in Jefferson, Iowa. Maybe > September 15th or 22nd. So I take it that you're coordinating with LT Don, aka Wonko the Sane, and will put it on in his locale instead of his propo

Re: [MBZ] 300TE problems

2007-07-19 Thread Jim Cathey
> the first time, a couple hours later, the transmission didn't want to > shift out of first. Chicken wagon did that a few times. After a fluid/filter change that problem is gone. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: ht

Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed

2007-07-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
My 2 cents (ok, maybe $2.00) worth. I have a set of wrenches in my tool box that I've owned for over 25 years. They are Chrome Vanadium steel, have served me very well over the years & were made in China. My great grandchildren will be using these cheap (but high quality) wrenches because

Re: [MBZ] Chinese quality, when needed

2007-07-19 Thread RELNGSON
> >>It's been my experience that in most countries, manufacturers are willing > and able to supply whatever quality you're willing to pay for. Most people > don't go to china for high quality, high priced items, but if they did, > they'd > likely find manufacturers willing and able to match mos

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread LarryT
Just went thru the catalog and found "120 Amp, 230Volt, Flux and Mig Welder" but theprice is shown as $299.99. I confirmed the prie in Order from cat as $299. Haven't seen anything with a $170 price. And Iseem to get their flyers and/or catalogs every day or 2. There's a number of other welder

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread LarryT
I have a catalog in front of me that came a couple of days ago - what's the description of the Welder you want? I'll provide the catalog # and Item # - that should get what you want - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Peter T . Arnold
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:41:51 -0500, you wrote: >Every once in a while you need a part NOW. > >Thanks, Tom >256-656-1924 > That's when you should call Rusty fast. He can o'nite it to you. Your dealer can try to get the part and over charge you. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto,

Re: [MBZ] - tank-on-empty - Number of Miles on Reserve - OZ

2007-07-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:26:27 -0400 "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have a closet Akubra? > > What's an Akubra? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akubra ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbpar

Re: [MBZ] quality, was Brake Lines

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Their ability to do knockoffs of darned near anything > you could bring them was nothing short of amazing. Well, they probably learned it from the Soviets. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts

Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-19 Thread Hendrik Riessen
However it is good practise to only reset the tripmeter when the car is stopped, particularly on the 123 chassis. A good driver shouldn't be fiddling with reset buttons while they are driving anyway. I know, I know, most drivers do anything but drive. They do things like read the newspaper, talk

Re: [MBZ] quality, was Brake Lines

2007-07-19 Thread LWB250
In the late 80s and early to mid 90s, I used to do business in Kaoshuing and Taipei, Taiwan. Their ability to do knockoffs of darned near anything you could bring them was nothing short of amazing. The guy who was next to my customer was a specialist in making milling machines. You would see the

Re: [MBZ] quality, was Brake Lines

2007-07-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Marshall Booth wrote: > > It's been my experience that in most countries, manufacturers are > willing and able to supply whatever quality you're willing to pay for. > Most people don't go to china for high quality, high priced items, but > if they did, they'd likely find manufacturers willing an

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Rich Thomas
I am lucky that the store I go to is way across town, it keeps me from going there to buy all those great buys, which then gather dust, but they're there if I need them. --R Allan Streib wrote: > Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Ah, there is a little text link at the top to "vi

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ah, there is a little text link at the top to "view this email online" > Never saw that before, but never looked for it either. > > http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/emails/display.do?fname=29_RetailA.html "Offer good for in-store purchases only" Mig

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Rich Thomas
Ah, there is a little text link at the top to "view this email online" Never saw that before, but never looked for it either. http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/emails/display.do?fname=29_RetailA.html --R Allan Streib wrote: > So, would the person with the catalog listing the $170 price be so

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: > > Meaning, they do have some prices that are only available in the > retail stores? It may be possible. The flyers for the stores don't have the price codes on the item numbers, so you can't use a store flyer to 'place order from the catalog' on the internet. I don't know

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Rich Thomas
If you sign up for their weekly email specials, they have "coupons" you can print out for a whole bunch of stuff. There is also a link to more coupons, more big discounts. If you are really interested I can forward the email directly to you. --R Allan Streib wrote: > Where do you get the sal

Re: [MBZ] Brake Lines

2007-07-19 Thread Marshall Booth
Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On 7/17/07, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Are you suggesting that ALL the tools from a specific country are of the >> same quality? > > Of course not! I don't pretend to have anything other than anecdotal > evidence, but I have noticed that there seems

Re: [MBZ] Turn Signal Issue

2007-07-19 Thread Darrell W. Sigmon
Remove the rubber covering and take out the screws that hold the TS stalk on.. DWS andrew strasfogel wrote: > I didn't in my W108 so probably - almost certainly - NOT. > > On 7/18/07, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks Andrew and Darrell - Do I assume correctly that I have to r

[MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Rusty Cullens
We are thinking about having RustyQ 2007 in Jefferson, Iowa. Maybe September 15th or 22nd. This is to see if anyone is interested in changing venues. Please let me know if you are a faithful attendee and would not be able to attend in Iowa, but would attend in Atlanta. Also let me know if you wo

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If it was a store flyer, it would only have the five digit item number in it. > Let's hope it was a mail order catalog. Meaning, they do have some prices that are only available in the retail stores? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: > > So, would the person with the catalog listing the $170 price be so > kind as to post the full item code? I did try cycling through the 10 > options and got $269.99 for each of them. If it was a store flyer, it would only have the five digit item number in it. Let's hop

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
So, would the person with the catalog listing the $170 price be so kind as to post the full item code? I did try cycling through the 10 options and got $269.99 for each of them. Allan Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Allan Streib wrote: >> I recall some hacking that could be done with

Re: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
There is nothing in the mechanism that will cause the button to stick or fail only when you are moving. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Frederick Moir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 7/19/07 8:49 AM Subject: [MBZ] Odo reset 190DT Hi, All. M

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
Every once in a while you need a part NOW. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 7/19/07 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007 Why do you go to the local stealership? Haven't you learned yet? We have

Re: [MBZ] Pushbutton unit interchange

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Is this for a W123 or a W124 chassis? The W124 PBU is all solid state, and does not suffer from circuit board cracks nearly so much as the W123 one (relays soldered down). The "thermocouple" on the W124 is a thermistor, not a switch. Peter ___ http://www.o

Re: [MBZ] 300TE problems

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Check the kickdown switch for a short -- this will keep the tranny in first much longer than you want to push it, although it WILL upshift (near the redline mark, or about 35 mph on that car, I think). Dying on a turn left only sounds like a bad wire or defective crank position sensor (on the r

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: > I recall some hacking that could be done with HF links to get the same > item to show up at different prices, but not recalling the specifics. Click on 'order from catalog'. The item number is five numbers, a dash, and one number followed by three letters. The letters tell

Re: [MBZ] Pushbutton unit interchange

2007-07-19 Thread LWB250
I have pictures of the whole job, including disassembly of the PBU and resoldering the boards. Lots of pics, so don't ask unless you've got a big mailbox and lots of bandwidth. I took them in anticipation of putting them up on my Web site. I also have pics for recalibrating the compressor shutof

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
Where do you get the sale price? On the web it's listing at $270. Do you have to go to a retail store to get that? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94164 I recall some hacking that could be done with HF links to get the same item to show up at different prices, b

Re: [MBZ] Way too much OT?

2007-07-19 Thread Zoltan Finks
For what it's worth coming from a relative newbie like me: I think OT is a good thing. I realize, though, that it can annoying for those without a system like gmail. For me, it is very much about commaraderie (sp?) with those who share similar interests (well at least one interest - I'm not sure

[MBZ] Seat refinishing

2007-07-19 Thread LarryT
Just read an interesting article about refinishing seats. SOme of you have talked about Leatherique, etc and some other methods - this article says the leather seats are treated very similarily to the paint on the body. For instance, severe problem areas are sanded to reach good material. Als

[MBZ] MBZ 300D Turbo Smoking/Idling Problem

2007-07-19 Thread Ken Rushing
I finally found out what the problem was! Last month I posted a smoking/idling problem my 87 300D Turbo had. I removed the fuel injection pump and it has a hole in the side of the pump the size of a quarter and another hole the size of a 'bb' on the lower right side (against the engine). When I til

Re: [MBZ] Pushbutton unit interchange

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Two phillips screws on the underside of the wood and it lifts up to unhook at the top. four small screws hold the PBU to the console frame. Two large connectors to pull off, and it's out. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sp

Re: [MBZ] Trip meters was Re: - tank-on-empty - Number of Miles on Reserve

2007-07-19 Thread John Freer
Another trick is to pull out and hold the reset knob and let it spring back. Do this a couple of times. On 7/19/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Allen S. Wrote: > > > > "It's also been said (though less often) that this is a myth and any > > trip odometer breakage resulting from a res

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Loren Faeth
Why do you go to the local stealership? Haven't you learned yet? We have Rusty. Don't need no stealership! I have not purchased anything from a stealership for years. At 02:25 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote: >So, you have a Rusty clone machine hidden away somewhere? Please let us >know because I'd

[MBZ] 300TE problems

2007-07-19 Thread Loren Faeth
Aside form the intermittent ignition problem on the 380SL, now the 300TE (88) has developed 2 possibly related or unrelated weird occasional problems. Twice, while making a left turn, it has died. After coming to a stop, with the shifter in "P" it will restart, no problem, and all is fine Th

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Gary Hurst
send me $500 made to cash for your official rustyQ franchise and starter kit On 7/19/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why limit to one location? Sounds like the Rusty Q is a great franchising > opportunity! > > On 7/19/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Rusty

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
So, you have a Rusty clone machine hidden away somewhere? Please let us know because I'd like to motivate the local Stealership to replace their parts people with someone who can spell Mercedes. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
Why limit to one location? Sounds like the Rusty Q is a great franchising opportunity! On 7/19/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rusty Cullens wrote: > > We are thinking about having RustyQ 2007 in Jefferson, Iowa. Maybe > > September 15th or 22nd. This is to see if anyone is intere

Re: [MBZ] 380SL pant pant?

2007-07-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
Only about $15K due to low demand. People want the 560 more than the 380 if they are collecting the W107 cars. On 7/19/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > John Freer wrote: > > > > And by the time you pay taxes on the so called value of $23.900.00, > > that amount alone equals a ma

Re: [MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
I just might. I still have not bought one, been looking at the Lincoln unit but at nearly $700 I have not sprung for it yet. Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I see HF has their *110 AMP, 220 VOLT FLUX AND MIG WELDER on sale for > $170 save $100, if anyone is interested in giving a pot

[MBZ] Welder, again

2007-07-19 Thread Rich Thomas
I see HF has their *110 AMP, 220 VOLT FLUX AND MIG WELDER on sale for $170 save $100, if anyone is interested in giving a potential POS a try. **http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/itemdisplay/displayItem.do?itemid=94164 --R * ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For n

Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread John Robbins
Rusty Cullens wrote: > We are thinking about having RustyQ 2007 in Jefferson, Iowa. Maybe > September 15th or 22nd. This is to see if anyone is interested in > changing venues. So long as they are not on the same weekend I would attend both (no more excuses this year! I'm coming... even if its n

[MBZ] Trip meters was Re: - tank-on-empty - Number of Miles on Reserve

2007-07-19 Thread Donald Snook
Allen S. Wrote: "It's also been said (though less often) that this is a myth and any trip odometer breakage resulting from a reset-while-driving is just cooincidence. I err on the side of caution and only reset mine while I'm stopped." That is a good observation. I had a 1982 280E an

Re: [MBZ] 380SL pant pant?

2007-07-19 Thread Mitch Haley
John Freer wrote: > > And by the time you pay taxes on the so called value of $23.900.00, > that amount alone equals a market value of a street priced 380SL! I don't know what a documented 24,000 mile '85 SL is worth, (of if the car in question is documented) but it should be a lot more than th

Re: [MBZ] [OT] tool quality.

2007-07-19 Thread E M
I remember an old J.C.Penny catalog about 20 years ago had little flags beside all the listed items. I thought it was a great idea and I'd love to see it here. Ed 300E On 19/07/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Often times here, providing the

Re: [MBZ] Clean, I'll show you clean

2007-07-19 Thread E M
Hi Larry, It has a very nice smell, and mild, but nothing added things to make your car smell like the beach or a rose patch. I use to us Lexol or something, and what I didn't like about it was, if you got a drop of rain or water on it, it would leave a mark. I think it started off as a saddle hi

Re: [MBZ] 380SL pant pant?

2007-07-19 Thread John Freer
And by the time you pay taxes on the so called value of $23.900.00, that amount alone equals a market value of a street priced 380SL! On 7/19/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes-It's Carriage House MB, and the art museum in Ne

[MBZ] RustyQ 2007

2007-07-19 Thread Rusty Cullens
We are thinking about having RustyQ 2007 in Jefferson, Iowa. Maybe September 15th or 22nd. This is to see if anyone is interested in changing venues. Please let me know if you are a faithful attendee and would not be able to attend in Iowa, but would attend in Atlanta. Also let me know if you wo

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 20, Issue 110

2007-07-19 Thread Roger Conlon
I've put on 2 applications of the Leatherique product of the oil rejuvenator & the pristine clean. I was hardly impressed. For all the work it took, it sure did remove a lot of the leather dye from my seats and left a dull finish. Still card board hard in the 87 SDL. Roger > > Forget the Ea

Re: [MBZ] 380SL pant pant?

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
"Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes-It's Carriage House MB, and the art museum in New London > CT. They are selling 600 chances for $65.00 each. I saw the car-it's > showroom-I fell for it. Will have to skip Powerball for a few weeks > if I don't win it. If I do win it, I will

Re: [MBZ] atomic SOMETHING

2007-07-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
I can't believe that is a FACTORY color. It had to be repainted using a cheap lookalike. On 7/19/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:25:35 -0400 "Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Brought to you by Ebay, a Show Car... > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.c

Re: [MBZ] Drying cars / Detailing

2007-07-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
Other than the fact that it is a total PIA to apply the Leathereek system, the results are excellent. On 7/18/07, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forget the Eagle One for the upholstery. Use > Leatherique. The stuff is nothing short of amazing. > > Not that your interior would need it, but

Re: [MBZ] - tank-on-empty - Number of Miles on Reserve - OZ

2007-07-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
You have a closet Akubra? What's an Akubra? On 7/18/07, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lucky dog. I live for the day I can go back to Oz. > > Used to visit Sydney, Brisbane and Perth annually. > Occasionally a quick jaunt to Melbourne and Hobart, > and a little time in the outback as wel

Re: [MBZ] [OT] tool quality.

2007-07-19 Thread Frederick Moir
Greetings and Salutations. This tool thread is oddly timely as I have been searching for a second (backup) of an Husky ratchet 22203 that is particularly useful, "handy" if you will. I called Husky (Stanley) and the said that it was only available in sets at big box stores (House brand at Home De

[MBZ] Odo reset 190DT

2007-07-19 Thread Frederick Moir
Hi, All. My odo is stuck between 000 and 009 and the button stayed down, the direct result of not thinking and resetting the odo while moving. I'd venture that is not so much a myth as not enough people have broken their odo whilst moving to convince the skeptics. My $0.002 Fred Moir

Re: [MBZ] [OT] tool quality.

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
"E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Often times here, providing there is a head company address, it's > not required to say where the product is produced. I find often when > made in the US, the tend to stamp it with pride. If no label, I > tend to conclude it's not US made. Just got a "Craftsma

Re: [MBZ] - tank-on-empty - Number of Miles on Reserve

2007-07-19 Thread Allan Streib
Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's been mentioned countless times on this list that resetting the > trip odometer while in motion breaks things. It's also been said (though less often) that this is a myth and any trip odometer breakage resulting from a reset-while-driving is just

Re: [MBZ] Clean, I'll show you clean

2007-07-19 Thread LarryT
Hi Ed `Ed wrote: <> - does it have a pleasant aroma? Does it smell like Leather or something else? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info h

Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: fertilizer [was Re: killing weeds and Bombay cats]

2007-07-19 Thread BillR
For that 'soil' you need to do what we do in many parts of the FL Keys. You dig out a hole about the size of a pot and fill it with dirt. Drainage is less a problem with coral than it is with heavy clay, though. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]