If hes lucky it is probably just bad nailing. When you say ball or tip I
assume you mean prechamber ball or glow plug tip?
Steve did you use autolite (or other non bosch) glowplugs?
-Rolf
Loren Faeth wrote:
could be a broken injector tip wedged into the top of a piston. After
you crack the
Nope. Just what has become an annual trip to the gulf to escape the
ice and snow for a few days. My daughter wants to find work in the
gulf coast area after she graduates in May.
At 09:27 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote:
Loren Faeth wrote:
29- Jan 1 at least. Too bad. It would be fin to meet.
I was talking about the prechamber loosing its ball or the tip off
the prechamber. A tip off a glow plug is fairly soft, and after the
piston hits it twice, there is usually silence. The prechamber parts
are big enough they get embedded in the piston top and can make a
racket for quite a
Loren Faeth wrote:
29- Jan 1 at least. Too bad. It would be fin to meet. I'd like
to see your new car.
Oh well, that's about the time frame I'll be out in Phoenix. Are
you moving to LA?
John
Which John is coming to Phx?
Bob R.
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As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked
loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The
pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the pump must have
moved some.
How do I adjust the position of the pump to tighten the
This'll be the first vehicle I've ever had thats newer than my marriage...
Its already got to go back though, the ABS activates at every stop just before
the truck comes to a complete stop. I joined a forum and apparently its a
pretty common problem caused by a dirty ABS sensor. Unfortunately
BTW I paid ~$16,000 for the Dakota in '99 with ~52,000 miles on it, yesterday
it had ~222,000 so we put on 170,000 in 9 years 2 months. $0.094/mile just on
purchase price.
The only major repairs were a water pump and a fuel pump. Other than that a few
sets of tires, a couple belts, 3 or 4
loosen the 3 mounting nuts/bolts, then tighten the adjusting bolt on the
top.
Robert Rentfro wrote:
As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is wicked
loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I wave. The
pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:16:47 -0700 Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As I wait for my power steering pump to arrive, I noticed the belt is
wicked loose. The belt is squealing badly at low rpm. People stare..I
wave. The pump itself isn't loose but for as loose as the belt is the
pump
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Which John is coming to Phx?
That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the
28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd
like to finally meet up with you since you always seem to have other
obligations. Last time you
Well Im about 40 miles north of I40.
John Robbins wrote:
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Which John is coming to Phx?
That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the
28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's flight leaves at 6AM... ugh!). I'd
like to finally meet up with you since
Curt Raymond wrote:
I joined a forum...
www.ford-trucks.com? That's the one I've used, and I've been very
impressed at the folks there.
John
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well Im about 40 miles north of I40.
I may swing up there on the way back. Last trip back we ended up
staying nearly due south of you. Greg needs to see you're backyard so
don't sell all of them by then. We'll have some fun in the CDI too.
You free the night of
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87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0
Oh yea, I should be free.
John Robbins wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well Im about 40 miles north of I40.
I may swing up there on the way back. Last trip back we ended up
staying nearly due south of you. Greg needs to see you're backyard so
don't sell all of them by then. We'll have
I'm sure we can figure it out. Hey Chuck...Mr. Jim.
Bob R
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Robert Rentfro wrote:
Which John is
This could be a great deal maybe
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Yummy!
Ed
300E
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This could be a great deal maybe
Ahh there is the problem. There is one bolt on the top nearest the engine,
none on the crescent shaped adjusting slider looking space where I'm
guessing one should be and it seems the bolt going down from the bracket
into the pump itself for adjusting is stripped.
No wonder the belt squeals.
Any
Sorry...'77 300D
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On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power Steering Belt
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:16:47 -0700 Robert Rentfro
I have no idea but Im thinking the one I sent you MIGHT have the
adjuster on it still. I dont recall removing it so it should still be
on there.
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Ahh there is the problem. There is one bolt on the top nearest the engine,
none on the crescent shaped adjusting slider
Curt Raymond wrote:
Some folks say not using the parking brake will ruin an automatic trans.
My boss at the Saab shop didn't use his parking brake to park. One day while he
was parked at the market, a delivery truck driver bumped his 900GLE. Sheared the
parking pawl in the tranny. The car
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:45:54 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to.
We're about 50 miles north of I-40 as it passes through New Mexico.
Craig
Los Alamos
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Craig McCluskey wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:45:54 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to.
We're about 50 miles north of I-40 as it passes through New Mexico.
Google maps says it's about two hours from I-40... Is there a
My experience was with autolite GP. They broke off, took the prechamber
ball with them and then the bottom of the prechamber.
This was what was left :
http://winmutt.com/images/benz/prechamber1.jpg
http://winmutt.com/images/benz/prechamber2.jpg
http://winmutt.com/images/benz/prechamber3.jpg
Ahh Hamtramck, perhaps while there you could meet the Painless Pole although
one assumes by this point he's in his 80s. Wonder if the pride still works?
Sorry, movie (well book really) reference but I couldn't resist...
-Curt
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:02:57 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL
After much demand and years of thinking about it, I have launched the
Banned Lite email discussion list. This will be somewhere in between
the off topic conversations of the Mercedes list and that of regular
Banned. Anything goes on Banned Lite except profanity and vulgar
comments. This is
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92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
87 300SDL x2,
The adjusting thingie inside the pump is a piece of plastic, probably
long since disintegrated, which means you will have to revert to prying
it tight, which is not easy to do as there are no good places to pry
from and to. I think I finally put a piece of wood somewhere and took a
small pry
Curt.
He sure put a smile on (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0009473/Lt.
Maria 'Dish' http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0009473/Schneider) Jo
Ann Pflug's face!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Ahh Hamtramck, perhaps while there you could meet the Painless Pole
although one assumes by this point he's in his
on 11/30/08 8:56, Rolf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If hes lucky it is probably just bad nailing. When you say ball or tip I
assume you mean prechamber ball or glow plug tip?
Steve did you use autolite (or other non bosch) glowplugs?
I bought Beru last time, IIRC.
Steve Mac
Nice.
But, the first words out of her mouth are, Yes, but it's a wagon...
I'm gonna keep an eye on it. It's time to get rid of the 300D and the Acura
and get something from the late '90's I think.
Bob R
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That's exactly what I'm seeing.
Nowif my PS pump would ever arrive
Bob R
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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightness on a Power
I figured it would have been there before t-day
Robert Rentfro wrote:
That's exactly what I'm seeing.
Nowif my PS pump would ever arrive
Bob R
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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:01
http://tinyurl.com/6yxn54
It says something about it being damaged. It looks like it languishing in
TX.
Bob R
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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:06 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Bosch and beru can loose a GP tip also, but my experience with US
made GPs is BAD. Prechamber balls and tips can crack off due to age
and wear unrelated to the GP brand.
At 12:15 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote:
on 11/30/08 8:56, Rolf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If hes lucky it is probably just
http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/16/Funny_Pictures_429.htm
Bound to have enough parts around and the technology
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Seattle Bioburner
1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parting out '82
300CD If this is a US model with the type III
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:41:30 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig McCluskey wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:45:54 -0600 John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If anyone along I-40 or I-10 wants to meet up I'd like to.
We're about 50 miles north of I-40 as it passes
Great - never felt better! Or were you asking that other bloke?
I should probably investigate the hose connecting the air temp sensor behind
the glove box before ordering a temp regulator. OTOH, since the blower
comes on at inappropriate times, it might be more likely that I need the
BLOWER
Hey Kaleb, did you ship my order yet?
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Oh yea, I should be free.
John Robbins wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well Im about 40 miles north of I40.
I may swing up there on the way back. Last trip back we ended
Do you plan to visit here?
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Which John is coming to Phx?
That would be me! The current game plan is to show up the evening of the
28th and leave on the 3rd (Dad's
As the kids say, that place is off the hook. They need defibrillators in the
lobby. Go there after your bloodwork.
Bob R
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Hi John and Bob.
I presume this is December 28 and January 3
Sorry, guys.. I'm going to be in Hawaii.. Somebody has to
do it.
Visiting with son and dil and 2 g'kids.
Take care,
Chuck
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Had three short days of fun in my hand me down 190e. #4 cylinder is now
registering 25lbs. compression. My local mechanic thinks a motor RR will be
best route.
Anyone in the vicinty of Albany NY have a good one?
I have leads on a couple,but thought I'd check here first.
Thanks-
Rob
how the heck could it have been damaged before it really even got
anywhere. Maybe the fedex guy ran over it.
Robert Rentfro wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/6yxn54
It says something about it being damaged. It looks like it languishing in
TX.
Bob R
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92 300SD,
pretty sure, will check to make sure
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Hey Kaleb, did you ship my order yet?
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Oh yea, I should be free.
John Robbins wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well Im about 40 miles north of I40.
Colleagues
Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I
encountered it for real. And not for the first time.
My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on
long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow
because I
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:55:56 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how the heck could it have been damaged before it really even got
anywhere. Maybe the fedex guy ran over it.
When we moved here from Austin, TX, we sent ourselves several boxes via
FedEx. One of them was damaged in
I didn't even eat Thanksgiving turkey so imagine how the Quad looks to me!
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As the kids say, that place is off the hook. They need defibrillators in
the
lobby. Go there after your bloodwork.
Bob R
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:20:05 +1300 Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined
down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not
some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound.
I
Euan,
Brake fade is caused by a small layer of gas that forms between the rotor
and the pads. The gas layer is very thin but it acts like a cushion that
prevents the pads from gripping the rotors.
The cause is heat and this is why you experience brake fade going down a
long hill. You apply the
When MBCA had road events at Road America, I was a tech
inspector. Every case of brake fade was traced to DOT3brake fluid in
the system, not the DOT 4 specified. Drain your brake fluid and put
in Castrol GT fluid. It might save your life some day.
MB used to specify regular changes of
Brake fade no brake caused by boiling water in the fluid cause the same
end result but the symptoms are different. It's easy enough to tell which
one is the cause.
With brake fade, the pedal stays hard - you just don't have any brakes. When
the water boils out of the brake fluid, the pedal gets
Hey Don, my brother and his wife served up mushroom ragout, vegetable stew,
saffron rice, pureed root vegetables, green tossed salad, and breads and
pies (apple and pecan) for Thanksgiving. What turkey??
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't even eat
This is a design flaw with the 5 speed turbodiesel wagon! Very dangerous!!
You need to IMMEDIATELY get rid of the car. Just your luck - I have a
buyer for you @$500.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
When MBCA had road events at Road America, I was a tech
I love fedex. I sent a box of bread for lab testing from the Big
Island to Honolulu. Simple eh? They do it all the time. After a
week without hearing the results, I called the lab and asked about my
results. Nothing, they never got the delivery! About 2 months later
I got a call from
On a vague tangent, I am currently hauling home the coffee grounds from the
shop at work and composting them with my own vegetable waste, yard
clippings, and chopped leaves. I am straining to come up with a business
model for ALL D.C. restaurants and coffee shops to turn their bio waste
stream
Brake fading is not entirely due to boiling water in the fluid. Once
your brake pads hit a certain temp they are going to be worthless. I
recommend upgrading to W126 rotors (vented) and calipers. Gen 1 are a
direct swap no muss no fuss. Gen 2 requires 15 or larger wheels and you
have to swap
You see, the 1987 and later wagons aren't worth a plugged nickel...
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice.
But, the first words out of her mouth are, Yes, but it's a wagon...
I'm gonna keep an eye on it. It's time to get rid of the 300D and the Acura
I used to do the very same thing when my garden was larger. The difference
was that I just sprinkled the coffee grounds on the ground.
The issue with any of these ideas is the cost of transporting the stuff
verses the monetary gain for the end product.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
Euan wrote:
Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I
encountered it for real. And not for the first time.
My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on
long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow
because I
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Your solution is to install a set of ceramic brake pads but also to change
your driving habits. You need to slow down and shift into second gear and
let the engine do most of the braking so that you have brakes when you need
them.
He already does that... so I'm not sure if
Loren Faeth wrote:
MB used to specify regular changes of brake fluid when your car was
new. Don't know if they still do for newer cars, but your car still
comes under the old regimen.
FYI... The new ones required an annual brake flush up until just
recently. Now they specify once every
My kind of meal.
I have one of these (the roast) in the freezer but haven't tried it yet.
http://www.tofurky.com/products/tofurkyfeasts.htm
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:49 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Hey Don, my brother and his wife served up mushroom ragout, vegetable stew,
Chuck Landenberger wrote:
I presume this is December 28 and January 3
Yep.
Sorry, guys.. I'm going to be in Hawaii.. Somebody has to do it.
Visiting with son and dil and 2 g'kids.
What, Phoenix wasn't warm enough for you? ;) Have a good time visiting
with family!
John,
He drops into 3rd gear and did not state what speed he was maintaining in
3rd gear - I suggested slowing down dropping into 2nd. I visit a friend
regularly on Green Mountain and if I don't drop down 2 gears, I experience
brake fate towards the end and that's with DOT4 fluid.
But your
Tom Hargrave wrote:
I visit a friend regularly on Green Mountain and if I don't drop down
2 gears, I experience brake fate towards the end and that's with DOT4
fluid.
Wow! That's the road slightly to the southeast of you correct? I've
driven fairly aggressively on that stretch of road, and
and all that has no effect if you have water in the brake
fluid! Flush our the old fluid! CHANGE THE FLUID! Use ONLY the
right stuff! DOT4!
At 07:58 PM 11/30/2008, you wrote:
Brake fading is not entirely due to boiling water in the fluid. Once
your brake pads hit a certain temp they are
Different road I think. This is the one leading to the park on Green
Mountain.
I have to admit that I experienced brake fade going down hill at 50 - 60 MPG
and it was an interesting experience. These days, I go down hill at 30 -
35 MPH.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
Tom Hargrave wrote:
I have to admit that I experienced brake fade going down hill at 50 - 60 MPG
and it was an interesting experience. These days, I go down hill at 30 -
35 MPH.
I've slowed down a bit too... the faster the car I drive the more sane I
drive (on *average*). With the SD it
Mine's based on experience - too many close calls.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:02 PM
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That baby is in your vegan nightmares.
Bob R.
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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Phoenix
I didn't even eat Thanksgiving turkey so imagine
...Is there anything else I can check?..
The brake fluid has been in there how long?
R:E
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...MB used to specify regular changes of brake fluid when your car was
new. Don't know if they still do for newer cars, but your car still
comes under the old regimen...
Just as all my former MB's, my '08's service book still says every two years.
RLE
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How about calling your business Global Warming-R-Us? You see, composting
will release more CO2, which according to Al Gore (let's take a momement to say
Thanks for the Internet Al!) causes Man-Made Global Warming, drowning polar
bears and sinking Pacific islands and allowing Brits to grow
I was probably stupid enough 35 years ago (that would have put me at age 21)
to tackle the quad, and eat it just to prove that I could.
By the way, I am not vegan. Vegans can be a bit strange and radical --
especially the ones who refuse to wear leather shoes because the leather
came from an
O. M. G. !!!
I have one of these (the roast) in the freezer but haven't tried it yet.
http://www.tofurky.com/products/tofurkyfeasts.htm
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Norman, OK
There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest
Have you tried Bison (buffalo)? Almost fat free - and tasty!
I am one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism
I have zero desire for a steak ... but don't get between me and a pound of
shrimp or some smoked salmon, or you just might get run over. Shrimp fajitas
and I are
Go the link I provided then get back to me.
If it has lungs, I don't eat it. If it has gills, come to daddy.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:01 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you tried Bison (buffalo)? Almost fat free - and tasty!
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i'd guess skanky fluid too. that alone, or added to abrupt breaking habits,
can be the path to unwanted adventure.
i've never really experienced any scary sort of brake fade. maybe i was
just raised on the philosophy of not heating up those drum brakes or maybe
just that i keep the fluid pretty
some really good images there.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Yep, composting releases the dreaded CO2 gas into the air. But so does
breathing passing gas!
So, I have a suggestion for this global warming mess - let's all of us not
eat pinto beans, broccoli or other gassy food for one year. The CO2
emissions saved by not passing gas should have a huge
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