Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
It those establishments were autobody shops then being reputable will not change anything. Body shops have no idea how to correctly repair rust. It needs to be taken to a high end restoration shop. Any other alternative besides doing it yourself in a skilled manner will surely lead to disappoint

Re: [MBZ] Logic

2012-05-31 Thread Rick Knoble
On May 31, 2012, at 9:24 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: > I've been wondering whether you have any thoughts about crispy pancakes Nah. I won't ask. I probably don't want to know... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

Re: [MBZ] Logic

2012-05-31 Thread RELNGSON
> ...Wggger. it's called "Logic" which may be a foreign word to > you. > > Sarcastic humor aside, do the math. The electric oil pump fails, engine > failure follows, car sets on tow truck using zero fuel while racking up > miles as a passenger on said truck.. are you not capable o

Re: [MBZ] chains

2012-05-31 Thread RELNGSON
> ...No, but its a pain to have to change a timing belt every 100,000 miles > for > $500+ when a chain could last 300,000 - 1,000,000 miles... > Having read hundreds of posts about timing chains here and elsewhere over the last 15 years or so, I do believe your mileage life figures are just a w

Re: [MBZ] The History Behind Driving on the Left or Right

2012-05-31 Thread Rich Thomas
Some years ago (insert your favorite country to insult here) decided to change from driving on the left to driving on the right. Given that it was going to be a huge change for the country, the parliament debated the matter for weeks without coming to a conclusion as to how best to accomplish

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-05-31 Thread Craig
On Thu, 31 May 2012 19:09:56 -0400 Allan Streib wrote: > Should know better than to ask but does anyone have anything good (or > bad) to say about Kelly Explorer tires. This is for our Focus, just a > running-around-town car for the most part. I have only heard of Kelly tires, so I cannot give

Re: [MBZ] E300D Glow Plug Relay Problem

2012-05-31 Thread Dieselhead
In my experience, this is a bad relay or a #1 glow plug going bad. Could happen with new GP. Switch #1 and any other. I am betting it is a bad relay. It's possible to have loose contacts in the relay that cause it (or the light only) to come on when it should be off. Obviously, a loose wir

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's willto 80 mph

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Archer
Try http://english.pravda.ru/ and click news and then hotspots. Gerry From: "Allan Streib" Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the throttle. 99% chance. "Gerry Archer" writes: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occ

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-05-31 Thread Rich Thomas
What is most puzzling is that it could accelerate to 129km/hr --R On 5/31/12 8:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-05-31 Thread Allan Streib
Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the throttle. 99% chance. "Gerry Archer" writes: > The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car > accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The > car began accelerating against the driver's

[MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Archer
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-201

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Allan Streib
If I had the time and motivation, I'd try removing the fenders, using the electrolytic method to get rid of the rust, then repair or fill as needed. Wire brushing and topical rust "removers" do not approach what I've seen the electrolytic conversion do. Instructions are somewhere on Jim Cathey's

Re: [MBZ] E300D Glow Plug Relay Problem

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Frederick
It's possible to have loose contacts in the relay that cause it (or the light only) to come on when it should be off. Obviously, a loose wire from the keyswitch will do the same thing, but other things should be cycling too (does the radio antenna go up and down, for instance?). I had th

[MBZ] tire opinion

2012-05-31 Thread Allan Streib
Should know better than to ask but does anyone have anything good (or bad) to say about Kelly Explorer tires. This is for our Focus, just a running-around-town car for the most part. Firestone dealer is offering Champion HRs for slightly less, the shop will the Kellys is a long-time local shop, s

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread G. M. Brown
Since I intend for my '84 300D to be my last car and last me the rest of my days, I replaced the RF & LR fenders in '09 after finding rust that I was convinced would spread. I've had rust "repaired" in the past by reputable establishments only for rust to reappear a couple years later. Even i

[MBZ] E300D Glow Plug Relay Problem

2012-05-31 Thread rmassmann
My glow plug relay is acting up again. It cycle normally in the when I start out to work, but 15 to 20 minutes into the ride it comes on and stays on for 30-40 seconds, longer than the morning glow. It does not come on again for the rest of the ride. It had been suggested that bad ignition may b

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Scott Ritchey
Fronts are relatively easy to replace, except maybe for the ones glued on. Never did rears and I expect you'll need to fix them unless there's little left to fix. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Se

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dieselhead
How bad is the rust? Big rust would require lots of shop time to fix, and sourcing fresh fender might be less costly. Second the new fender. I have not priced a fender for a 123 lately, but give Q a chance. Last I knew 124 fenders and 126 fenders were just a little over $100 each. 123 no

Re: [MBZ] Selectric

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Frederick
I still have one, needs an interface board. Peter On May 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Peter Frederick writes: But we are talking mid 70's. When Xerox came up with the Diablo daisy wheel, all the Selectric terminals went away, too much maintenance. I remember the diablos.

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Craig
On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > If rust can be repaired properly without removing fender then I'd opt > for that. Fender removal means removal of that undercoating stuff which > is a job in itself. MB stopped using the seam sealer somewhere around '82. Our '82

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Craig
On Thu, 31 May 2012 17:33:20 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > They use some nasty seam sealer on the top edge. You have to use a heat > gun or a torch to soften it up. They stopped using that somewhere around 1982 on W123s. Our '82 240D/3.0 was built without the seam sealer and the fenders are easy to

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
If rust can be repaired properly without removing fender then I'd opt for that. Fender removal means removal of that undercoating stuff which is a job in itself. That might also predispose to future rust if not prepped and re- undercoated properly. Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2012, at 4:17

Re: [MBZ] The History Behind Driving on the Left or Right

2012-05-31 Thread Randy Bennell
I can never make up my mind so I just drive down the middle. Randy On 31/05/2012 2:57 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Most of the world drives on the right side of the road, but a minority of countries drive on the left. How do countries decide which side they'll drive on? The answer varies from co

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff
They use some nasty seam sealer on the top edge. You have to use a heat gun or a torch to soften it up. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > Are these glued on? I seem to recall some reference to difficulties changing > MB fenders because they are bolted and glued on. > >

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff
Heh. I guess the price has gone up a bit I think the last one I bought was around $180. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 5:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > Cheap as wine - French champagne maybe... > > On 5/31/12, Rusty Cullens wrote: >> They are $308.00 but shipping is a bear. >> >> -Origi

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Randy Bennell
Are these glued on? I seem to recall some reference to difficulties changing MB fenders because they are bolted and glued on. Randy On 31/05/2012 3:17 PM, clay monroe wrote: How bad is the rust? Big rust would require lots of shop time to fix, and sourcing fresh fender might be less costly.

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
Cheap as wine - French champagne maybe... On 5/31/12, Rusty Cullens wrote: > They are $308.00 but shipping is a bear. > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Dan Penoff > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:50 PM > To:

[MBZ] OT: Why women prefer weaker men

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Archer
Early humans became monogomous because women evolved to prefer reliable providers over macho alpha males, a study has found. Alpha males may have superior looks and strength but women are programmed to favour weaker men who are better providers, a study claims. While physically imposing men h

[MBZ] The History Behind Driving on the Left or Right

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Archer
Most of the world drives on the right side of the road, but a minority of countries drive on the left. How do countries decide which side they'll drive on? The answer varies from country to country, but in most cases, the side a country drives on comes down to history and economics. In feudal

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Rusty Cullens
They are $308.00 but shipping is a bear. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? 123 fenders

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff
123 fenders used to be cheap as wine. Check with the Q. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD. It has some rust in > both front fenders, esp. the passenger side. Would it be less costly > to 1) buy and install (relatively) rus

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread clay monroe
How bad is the rust? Big rust would require lots of shop time to fix, and sourcing fresh fender might be less costly. PnP fender should be very inexpensive. Still lots of shop time to prep for paint and mounting. Probably same a for a new made fender. Maaco paint job with fix would be least

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Randy Bennell
No, no, no --- This is where you get to justify buying the mig welder, the air compressor etc. DIY! Randy On 31/05/2012 3:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD. It has some rust in both front fenders, esp. the passenger side. Would it be less costly to

[MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD. It has some rust in both front fenders, esp. the passenger side. Would it be less costly to 1) buy and install (relatively) rust-free used fenders; or 2) have the body shop repair the existing ones? ___ http://www.

Re: [MBZ] New G-Wagen

2012-05-31 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Isn't that from a song? Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: on twennyfos wif da bass rap beat rattlin --R On 5/31/12 9:31 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Black or that awful pearly white. Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: The

Re: [MBZ] Need a 617 block?

2012-05-31 Thread Craig
On Thu, 31 May 2012 11:18:24 -0400 andrew strasfogel wrote: > Is a "block" the same as an engine? Motor? Head??? Top? Bottom?? No, not by a long shot. The block is just the block, no head, no oil pan, no transmission adapter plate, no crankshaft, no connecting rods, no pistons, no crankshaft

Re: [MBZ] Need a 617 block?

2012-05-31 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Well, thats cheap enough its worth buying if you're local. I'd pick one up! On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, clay monroe wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/3040187633.html > > not mine, no interest > > > clay > > > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1972 220D - Gump - She is gre

Re: [MBZ] Need a 617 block?

2012-05-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
Is a "block" the same as an engine? Motor? Head??? Top? Bottom?? On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, clay monroe wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/3040187633.html > > not mine, no interest > > > clay > > > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green > 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, sim

Re: [MBZ] New G-Wagen

2012-05-31 Thread Rich Thomas
on twennyfos wif da bass rap beat rattlin --R On 5/31/12 9:31 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Black or that awful pearly white. Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: They drive Eckscalades yo. --R On 5/30/12 11:04 PM, clay monroe wrote: Bad enough we have rapp

Re: [MBZ] New G-Wagen

2012-05-31 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Black or that awful pearly white. Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > They drive Eckscalades yo. > > --R > > On 5/30/12 11:04 PM, clay monroe wrote: >> Bad enough we have rapper gangsta fools with pants inviting sodomy >> in the frod and chubby SUV > > __

Re: [MBZ] New G-Wagen

2012-05-31 Thread Rich Thomas
They drive Eckscalades yo. --R On 5/30/12 11:04 PM, clay monroe wrote: Bad enough we have rapper gangsta fools with pants inviting sodomy in the frod and chubby SUV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list ar

Re: [MBZ] electric

2012-05-31 Thread G Mann
Wggger. it's called "Logic" which may be a foreign word to you. Sarcastic humor aside, do the math. The electric oil pump fails, engine failure follows, car sets on tow truck using zero fuel while racking up miles as a passenger on said truck.. are you not capable of visualization

Re: [MBZ] Selectric

2012-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff
If your Windoze machine does a BSOD, it should generate a folder called "mini dump" with the contents of the error. There are a number of third party programs that will load this data and give you an interpretation of the contents, down to the line of code where the BSOD occurred. Dan On May 3

Re: [MBZ] electric pumps

2012-05-31 Thread Mitch Haley
relng...@aol.com wrote: Oil pressure gauges have been gone for more than ten years and when a major problem surfaces the instrument panel turns bright red and displays a warning that even the most oblivious cannot ignore. 1. I wish my 1999 E320 had an oil pressure gauge like all my other MBZ.