Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Max Dillon wrote: Rich, here's a cause you might be interested in agitating for: http://tiny.iavian.net/ert Because President Obama says he'll respond if 25,000 people ask? According to Obama's self imposed (and ignored) rules, all federal bills have to be posted on the internet for the

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Fmiser wrote: --Philip, who wishes he could drive for two days on a tank of fuel in any of his cars. When I bought my W116 I had thoughts of making a pair of fiberglass tanks to put in the areas behind the rear tires, Jaguar style. I figured 60 gallons for the three tanks would

Re: [MBZ] Y'all need one or more of these

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: 1972 MERCEDES (1929) KIT CAR - $3995 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3391068663.html If it was the Pinto version, one could consider putting a 240D or 190D engine in it, but it'd still be a POS Fiberfab creation. Being it's the Tiffany VW version, the rear of the

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Craig wrote: You certainly could monitor the voltage while driving and maybe even rig up something to make the adjustment, but I think you might want to monitor other things, too. Maybe rig some sort of throttle stop so that you could use the exact same throttle setting on successive runs? I

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Max Dillon wrote: I timed a couple of 0-60 runs, with full tank of fuel and extra passenger (daughter), and the car is about half a second faster. Attaboy! Of course, the timing may have been off before I started this experiment. Guaranteed if retarding it made an improvement. Proper

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: 'Don't know the details of Grndson's phone during his school year in France, but it also worked great from Budapest, Hungary; Sarajevo, Bosnia, Milan, Italy; Vilnius, Lithuania; Kiev, Ukraine; Krakow Auschwitz, Poland, etc., also. Wilton GSM phone. IIRC, not all GSM is

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Dieselhead
Because President Obama says he'll respond if 25,000 people ask? According to Obama's self imposed (and ignored) rules, all federal bills have to be posted on the internet for the public to read before passage (remember the affordable care act? Congresscritters weren't allowed to read that

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread WILTON
So what 0-60 times does Caterpillar attain? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method There is an

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Craig
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:34:39 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: What car is this? For a W123, the phrase three complete clock-wise wrench revolutions doesn't apply. He says, ... my E300 ... *grin* Uhhh ... so he did. Craig ___

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Craig
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:39:12 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Optimizing for cruising efficiency is the goal, I just may have to repeat and make adjustment based on measurements at load. Would be nice to have access to a dyno stand... That's what I thought, too. Craig

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Craig
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:25:28 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: There is an incredibly long difficult thread on peach parts forum that I read long ago. I've always wanted to try the method. On that forum, the 123 crowd found the injection pump nearly impossible to adjust on a

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
I might need to call you this evening to throw my bail after our citizen action at the City Council meeting. --R On 11/13/12 1:49 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Rich, here's a cause you might be interested in agitating for: http://tiny.iavian.net/ert ___

Re: [MBZ] 'Old bangers' and classic cars to be banned from Paris

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
So I will not be able to drive my 2CV to go get my daily dose of le fromage? Or a Le Big Mac or a Royale with Cheese? --R On 11/13/12 1:05 AM, Max Dillon wrote: That is actually a terrific way to reduce pollution. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: I might need to call you this evening to throw my bail after our citizen action at the City Council meeting. More fuss about the Johnny Island Thruway? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Which planet?

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
I might drive by there sometime this week and take a look at it, see what they think a reasonable offer might be. --R On 11/12/12 11:38 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: On the planet DR Truck and Auto centre. Twas a jest, the advert clearly states it as being a C240

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
No this is the Emperor Riley Memorial $558M(or maybe $675M, still trying to figure that aspect out)-of-money-we-don't-have-for-8-miles Interstate 526 Extension Low-speed Parkway. But it is all related. Tax-and-spend Democrats and Spend-and-tax Republicans are lining up to line their pockets

[MBZ] OT - more fools observed

2012-11-13 Thread WILTON
SWMBO and I went to Chapel Hill last Sunday to take #1 grndson out to lunch, grocery shopping, etc. After lunch, we proceeded to nearby grocery store (Harris Teeter) and parked in the first handicap space outside the main, front entrance. While preparing to go inside the store, I decided

Re: [MBZ] OT - more fools observed

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Obvious comment self-deleted. --R On 11/13/12 10:43 AM, WILTON wrote: SWMBO and I went to Chapel Hill last Sunday to take #1 grndson out to lunch, grocery shopping, etc. After lunch, we proceeded to nearby grocery store (Harris Teeter) and parked in the first handicap space outside the

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread G Mann
If you want to get to Heaven, you have to raise a little Hell. It will be interesting to see what, if any, reporting of these petitions is done by the Lame Stream Media. Worthy of notice, Texas petition at 18:00 last evening was at 26,000 signatures.. by 21:00 it was at 56,000 and rising. Also,

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread TE
What's the deal with that project anyway? Personally, I never thought taking 17 to Main Rd was that big of a deal. From the looks of the SCDOT proposal, it's gonna turn River Rd into a mess. What a shame. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
The plan is to build a parkway design (called Alternative G) for an extension to 526 from the end at 17. Another 4-lane bridge would cross over to Johns Island a bit north of the existing (new 4-lane) Stono bridge, run sorta along where River Rd is now N/S of Maybank, then go back over the

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Max Dillon
OK, try to get arrested early, I like to be in bed by nine or so. You can pay me in used MBs. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I might need to call you this evening to throw my bail after our citizen action at the City

Re: [MBZ] 240V

2012-11-13 Thread Randy Bennell
On 12/11/2012 2:57 PM, Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Max Dillon
You're probably right about negative environmental impact, but I think the positive property value impact will win out. Are there other routes with less environmental impact? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The plan is to

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-13 Thread Randy Bennell
Therein lies the problem for lawyers. It is difficult to show the client what is done. If things go smoothly, the client thinks the lawyer did not do anything. The client has in most cases already dealt with the realtor and the banker before getting to the lawyer and does not understand why he

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Curt Raymond
I have my doubts about this, big trucks with fuel heaters still get shut off from time to time. It would seem very short sighted to assume otherwise... -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:14:50 -0500 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Randy Bennell
On 12/11/2012 7:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Plus, we could meet again at the country's best hot dog place like we did a couple years back when Whomever from Tucson came through. Whomever - That is Bob Rentro of Tucson. Also RickK is in the area. We could almost have a ChiTownChowdaQ style meetup

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Curt Raymond
Standard sour grapes, libs threaten to go to Canada, cons to secede. I say let 'em go, see if they can last a month. Oh and bill them for every penny of US federal spending they've ever got. If they want to be their own country they owe the rest of us for their roads at the very least... -Curt

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread G Mann
Well then, that would mean the federal tax bookkeeping would have to be finally balanced, wouldn't it. So, how many billions in tax dollars paid by the states seceding were actually spend in those states and how many billions were spent elsewhere if you get your wish... I expect the Federal

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread TE
Well clearly if it's going to be a 35-45 mph parkway with lights here and there there will be no significant impact on travel times. Sounds like a ploy to create a new shopping center strip for the Kiawah/Seabrook crowd. Though we are Seabrook folk, I would much rather stop at the Piggly Wiggly on

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Fmiser
Max wrote: Origin is Caterpillar, apparently that is how they set injection pump timing at the factory. WILTON wrote: So what 0-60 times does Caterpillar attain? ;) Caterpillar has made engines for big trucks for a lot of years. And they now are selling 'em. So 0-60 MPH is a

[MBZ] Myth: There is no more winterized fuel

2012-11-13 Thread Benz Hogs
Winterized fuel still exists and is location dependent. I can't imagine the class action lawsuit being a pleasant experience for truck stops if they didn't switch to winterized fuel. http://fleetowner.com/fleet-management/truth-about-fuel-additives Mark Nyholm, technical product

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Was that you driving the Bentley CGT a coupla years ago that passed me on River Rd going 80 or so? Who I caught up with on the Connector later a little while later, and passed? And who I saw at the Verizon store a week or so later and gave a talking-to to? And who shortly thereafter clipped

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Dieselhead
Depends on how big your crowbar is.(no, I don't recommend this method...) On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:25:28 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: There is an incredibly long difficult thread on peach parts forum that I read long ago. I've always wanted to try the method. On

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-13 Thread Michael Canfield
I guess he will be in The States for a while yet so he is going to go with a Sprint everything plan as it appears they allow him to suspend service with no penalties if he needs to. He can then get whatever cheapo phone when he does get sent abroad. Thanks for the info and tips, Mike On Nov 13,

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Fmiser
Dieselhead wrote: Trucks now run fuel heaters, and use Summer #2D year round... Max wrote: That is very interesting, I wonder if that practice is common here as well? Curt Raymond wrote: I have my doubts about this, big trucks with fuel heaters still get shut off from

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Randy Bennell
I'm not as close to the industry as I was, but effectively zero trucks had dedicated heaters a bit over a decade ago. All used a return to the tank for the unused fuel pumped to the injector pump, and that process heated the fuel a bit so a running truck was less likely to have gelling fuel

[MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 380 SL 1985 - $1818 (Danvers)

2012-11-13 Thread Frederick Moir
Not mine, etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@yahoo.com fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: Mercedes 380 SL 1985 - $1818 (Danvers) fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this

Re: [MBZ] 50 to 55 times

2012-11-13 Thread Hendrik Fay
That engine must have been asleep, I used to drive 300hp trucks with 39 tonnes and it took nowhere near two and half miles. Hendrik who has driven one of those new Cat trucks On 14/11/12 04:29, Fmiser wrote: Caterpillar has made engines for big trucks for a lot of years. And they now are

Re: [MBZ] Island toll roads

2012-11-13 Thread Hendrik Fay
Perhaps if they charge people to use the new road to get the money back? Don't they have that big golf tournament over there? Our state government is making noises about toll roads. Hendrik who avoids toll roads like the plague On 14/11/12 02:55, Rich Thomas wrote: The plan is to build a

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Michael Canfield wrote: I guess he will be in The States for a while yet so he is going to go with a Sprint everything plan as it appears they allow him to suspend service with no penalties if he needs to. He can then get whatever cheapo phone when he does get sent abroad. Verizon allows

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-13 Thread Craig
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:48:43 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: If I were him I'd go prepaid, like Boost or Virgin, before I'd sign a Sprint contract for the same network, especially if I didn't want to use it every month. What about Tracfone? Craig

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-13 Thread Dieselhead
Michael Canfield wrote: I guess he will be in The States for a while yet so he is going to go with a Sprint everything plan as it appears they allow him to suspend service with no penalties if he needs to. He can then get whatever cheapo phone when he does get sent abroad. Verizon allows

Re: [MBZ] 50 to 55 times

2012-11-13 Thread Fmiser
Hendrik Fay wrote: That engine must have been asleep, I used to drive 300hp trucks with 39 tonnes and it took nowhere near two and half miles. It was tired. I'm pretty sure it wasn't generating 300 hp anymore. And that truck had a 7-speed, one-range transmission. Truck gross weight was

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-13 Thread Michael Canfield
I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal. I just wonder about service coverage. He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for calls back home. Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue

Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-13 Thread Mountain Man
Instead of 240v - how about a 220v question??? I have a swiss 220v outlet on step-up transformer and an Italy 220v plug on a small kitchen appliance - not the same geometry between outlet and plug. Will I let the smoke out of the device (espresso grinder from Italy) if I remove the center pin off

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Mountain Man
Luther wrote: If you do use Power service, use 1/2 of the recommended dose. Thanks. 4 years ago I waxed solid from fuel from small local station. The rule now is truck stop and PS for winter - small insurance. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Mountain Man
Jon wrote: Gene Jude's..I think I may have been there maybe 3 or 4 lifetimes agowhen I was 1st hired as an airline pilot. We could do Col Mustards - I'm in for a drive. Luther? Rick? I am going to bet Gene Judes is the place to be, if you can get your wife to go along. She needs to

Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-13 Thread Fmiser
Mountain Man wrote: Instead of 240v - how about a 220v question??? I have a swiss 220v outlet on step-up transformer and an Italy 220v plug on a small kitchen appliance - not the same geometry between outlet and plug. Will I let the smoke out of the device (espresso grinder from Italy) if

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Mountain Man
Randy wrote: You should be going for Chicago style pizza rather than hotdogs. Yabbutt That is less easy to define. I would choose Lou Malnati, but others say otherwise. Gene Jude's is really an experience, plus... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-13 Thread Mountain Man
Philip wrote: But - if it _is_ ground, much better than cutting it off would be to tie it to the ground of the outlet that the transformer is getting it's power from. Both Swiss Italy outlet plug are 3-prong but different geometry. Swiss center pin is offset from the outside pins whereas

[MBZ] OT - Eno

2012-11-13 Thread Mountain Man
Some of us enjoy vintage progressive rock'n roll. A new oldie album for me - but very nice, I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHuPJjQ7yeg mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-13 Thread G Mann
Your Italian grinder is 50 cycle.. your USA power is 60 cycle it won't be happy. Just a thought. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Instead of 240v - how about a 220v question??? I have a swiss 220v outlet on step-up transformer and an Italy 220v

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Your Italian grinder is 50 cycle.. your USA power is 60 cycle it won't be happy. If it's a universal motor (AC/DC), the common brushed loud-as-hell blender type motor, it won't care a bit. If it's an induction motor, quiet humming like a fan motor, it'll choke and die. -- Jim

[MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding the roads business going on here. Got interviewed by a comely young Ch 2 newsbabe (who is from Houston) to be on TV this evening. It might have made the 5PM show, will probably be on at 11 too so will have to watch her

Re: [MBZ] 50 to 55 times

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
I thought this thread was about Gen Petraeus and that babe of his, but reading it I see nothing but some stupid diesel stuff. --R On 11/13/12 5:56 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: That engine must have been asleep, I used to drive 300hp trucks with 39 tonnes and it took nowhere near two and half

Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-13 Thread andrew strasfogel
Post the interviews and speechifying on youtube to fire up your base. :) On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding the roads business going on here. Got interviewed by a comely

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Rick Knoble
On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: You should be going for Chicago style pizza rather than hotdogs. Yabbutt That is less easy to define. I would choose Lou Malnati, but others say otherwise. Gene Jude's is really an experience, plus... Gino's

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Rick Knoble
On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: We could do Col Mustards - I'm in for a drive. Luther? Rick? Sure. Let me know when. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-13 Thread Rich Thomas
We turned out over 50 people on a rainy evening, about 40 of us spoke against it. Our FB page has over 4200 likes -- theirs has 1000. --R On 11/13/12 10:48 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Post the interviews and speechifying on youtube to fire up your base. :) On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:45

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Rick Knoble
On Nov 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Car is a 124 sedan with OM606 engine Huh? 602? 603? Engine swap? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Michael Canfield wrote: Is roaming included in the prepaids? Do they have the same coverage as contract phones? I have been told that they don't and that in rural area they don't work as well. Is there any truth to that? Roaming and coverage are Tracfone's strong points now that a few

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Rick Knoble wrote: On Nov 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Car is a 124 sedan with OM606 engine Huh? 602? 603? Engine swap? 604/605/606 are the four valve per cylinder versions of 601/602/603. I think 606 NA was first introduced to USA in the 1995 W1214.

[MBZ] OT - NAS Suggestions

2012-11-13 Thread Dan Penoff
I have just about arrived at the point of running my Drobo FS over with a large piece of construction equipment. With this in mind, I am looking for suggestions for a network attached storage solution. I need something with at least four 3.5 bays, gigabyte ethernet, and anything else is icing

[MBZ] OT - dark day down under?

2012-11-13 Thread OK Don
Hendrik - how was the eclipse viewing? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-13 Thread Dieselhead
Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding the roads business going on here. Got interviewed by a comely young Ch 2 newsbabe (who is from Houston) to be on TV this evening. It might have made the 5PM show, will probably be on at 11 too so will have to watch her

Re: [MBZ] OT - NAS Suggestions

2012-11-13 Thread Dieselhead
I just stuck 4 tb drives in an old box (Amd 1 Ghz) with a PCI SATA card stuck in a slot, running Server 2003 enterprise. I have never gotten to the second part, which is saving movies and pitchers over onto the RAID. Works just fine. Raid 5, so has some fail-resistance Seeing how a

Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation

2012-11-13 Thread Jon Agne
Made it to NYC today after a late start. May have to check the monovalve whenI get to Ohioit worked perfectly for a day and half after install, and now it's back to almost no heat at cruise. Argh! Yes, still employed. Based at ORD when 1st hirednow based JFKbefore that: Naval

Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-13 Thread Rick Knoble
Oh yeah. I forgot Max drives a '95. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: On Nov 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Car is a 124 sedan with OM606 engine Huh? 602? 603? Engine swap?

Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-13 Thread Fmiser
Philip wrote: But - if it _is_ ground, much better than cutting it off would be to tie it to the ground of the outlet that the transformer is getting it's power from. Mountain Man wrote: I should think that since it is a ground pin, not unlike 110v ground pin which we oftentimes

Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-13 Thread TE
LOL, you did read C140 right? That's the nicest thing I own. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: White House