Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Dieselhead
On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Reference: read The Law Another good read is Fiat Money Inflation In France. It is available for free. Rick Sent from my iPhone The Law is also free online and not all that long or hard to read.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The Law is also free online and not all that long or hard to read. Yes, it is. I have read it. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Toscano
Just make sure you seal up whatever you're insulating. Mice and all kinds of rodents love insulation. If you can't seal it, don't insulate it. You won't dead mice and mice droppings all throughout your walls, ceiling, and floor. You may already know, but it can be so serious I risked telling

Re: [MBZ] They are a little optimistic on the price

2013-01-30 Thread WILTON
Of course - making it hot. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] They are a little optimistic on the price It's still conditioning the air :-) On Tue,

[MBZ] 1985 123 manual needed, spare 1983 manual available

2013-01-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I wondered if anyone would be willing to sell me their 1985 123 Repair manual: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Factory-Service-Manual-1985-123-126-107-201-/190784109086?pt=Motors_Manuals_Literaturehash=item2c6b9e7a1evxp=mtr Conversely, if anyone would like the comparable 1983 model year

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
But then I'd also need a hot water heater. My current furnace also does our domestic hot water... -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:33:34 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID:

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
I think the point Jamie is making is that as the government has already (foolishly in my opinion but let that bide) gotten itself into the flood insurance business it must (at least for now) pay out to those people who have signed contracts. If we want to get the government out of the flood

Re: [MBZ] Battery drain

2013-01-30 Thread Hans Neureiter
My system only works from the drivers door. When it times out the pump quits sudden after ~20 sec. and sometimes is difficult to reset. So I gave up and left it timed out, but now realize that it drains my battery. Now the thing is unplugged in the trunk. I am not desperate to get it to function,

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Randy Bennell
On 29/01/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought I would let everyone know I will trade cars for guns. Sent from my iPhone ___ So, is it a good idea to advertise the fact that you are an arm's dealer on the net? Randy

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Dieselhead
Agreed But the goobermint needs to get out of the ins biz. I think the point Jamie is making is that as the government has already (foolishly in my opinion but let that bide) gotten itself into the flood insurance business it must (at least for now) pay out to those people who have signed

Re: [MBZ] My old diesel benz is fast.aja0ebur

2013-01-30 Thread Randy Bennell
On 29/01/2013 8:12 PM, Rolf wrote: Finally got a 7.5mm pump installed on my 87 300d. Got some bugs to work out but when the turbo spools it attempts to leave the clutches of earths gravity. Was up till 2am before I realized I have no N8 and that it is a N6 in the same spot and has nothing to

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Yes Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 29/01/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought I would let everyone know I will trade cars for guns. Sent from my iPhone ___ So, is it a good

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Exactly. I view all entitlements and hand outs from federal government as a Perversion of the law. Government is taking money by force from one group of people and giving it to another. That is why we have gridlock in WDC, the fight is about who gets to steal money from who now. -- Max

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 manual needed, spare 1983 manual available

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
That is an Introduction to Service manual, not a repair manual. A very useful book, will have some info for repair. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I wondered if anyone would be willing to sell me their 1985 123

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 manual needed, spare 1983 manual available

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Have you tried calling MBUSA to see if they have any in stock? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: That is an Introduction to Service manual, not a repair manual. A very useful book, will have some info for repair.

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Michael Canfield
I did not hear him mention selling any guns..therefore NOT a dealer. I would say collector with things to trade might be a better description. Mike On Jan 30, 2013 12:11 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 29/01/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought I would let

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Exactly. I view all entitlements and hand outs from federal government as a Perversion of the law. Government is taking money by force from one group of

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 manual needed, spare 1983 manual available

2013-01-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Uh uh. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Have you tried calling MBUSA to see if they have any in stock? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: That is an Introduction to Service

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Randy Bennell
Now, come, come, when a fellow offers to trade Mercedes (and we all know that is the vehicle of choice for Kaleb) for guns, one might well assume that we are talking about significant quantities of guns. And, what does one do with all those guns? Well, we sell them out of the back of our ML in

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Dan Penoff
BATF is not one of the government agencies whose radar you want to be on, believe me. I think they are worse than the Secret Service in some respects. Dan On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Now, come, come, when a fellow offers to trade Mercedes (and we

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Michael Canfield
3 Kaleb priced 240d's won't even get you a good rifle these days. Mike On Jan 30, 2013 3:15 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Now, come, come, when a fellow offers to trade Mercedes (and we all know that is the vehicle of choice for Kaleb) for guns, one might well assume that we

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Craig
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:07:09 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. We don't have a democracy, we have a constitutional republic. And yes, it is stealing. Craig ___

[MBZ] OT - WV taxes and winters

2013-01-30 Thread David Kristin Gilmore
I should have mentioned when I wrote recently about the $.23/acre real estate tax that it is just surface rights we own. The mineral rights were separated and sold long ago. The mineral owner (I think it is CONSOL in our case) is also paying taxes on our parcels and although I don't

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Dieselhead
What exactly do you call taking money by force? No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Exactly. I view all entitlements and hand outs from federal government as a Perversion of the law.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread G Mann
Democracy: Two wolves and One sheep voting on what's for dinner. Republic: One well armed sheep inviting two wolves to eat grass. I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and the REPUBLIC for which it stands sound familiar perhaps? Or, has the misuse of the word Democracy

[MBZ] Fwd:OT - nifty folding bicycle

2013-01-30 Thread David Kristin Gilmore
Looks like this would fit in the back of your Mercedes. http://gadgets.feedbox.info/worlds-first-chainless-folding-electric-bike?utm_medium=teaserutm_source=mgidutm_term=7837utm_campaign=exchangeutm_content=1387611#1 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV By assuming the penalties of

Re: [MBZ] Democracy? was; OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Fmiser
Andrew Strasfogel No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. Craig wrote: We don't have a democracy, we have a constitutional republic. Well, that's what it's supposed to be, or was originally. And yes, it is stealing. Yup. --Philip

[MBZ] New CLA info! u8y0uhu2

2013-01-30 Thread Chris James
Check out the new commercial on MBUSA future models page! Starting MSRP is $29,900! http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/benz/innovation/future/model-2014_CLA -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

[MBZ] New CLA info! u8y0uhu2

2013-01-30 Thread Chris James
Check out the new commercial on MBUSA future models page! Starting MSRP is $29,900! http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/benz/innovation/future/model-2014_CLA -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: But then I'd also need a hot water heater. My current furnace also does our domestic hot water... That must cost a fortune in the summer. I paid something like $218 for a 40 gallon GE electric water heater at Home Depot last fall. Had to pay for 70' of 10ga wire and a 25

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. Or, alternately, a Constitutional Republic if you can keep it. We couldn't, hence the people who think it's right and proper that our government operate as a democracy. Democracy: Two wolves and one sheep

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: BATF is not one of the government agencies whose radar you want to be on, believe me. I think they are worse than the Secret Service in some respects. The SS still has some measure of respect as an honest law enforcement agency (counterfeiting etc). BATFE makes the FBI

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Toscano
I thought they used the word REPUBLIC in the pledge because it sounded better. ;) On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. Or, alternately, a Constitutional Republic if you can

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Toscano
Alchohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Anyone ever been to Ruff's Liquor and Sporting goods in Arizona? They've since given up their liquor license, but at one time you buy a shotgun, cartridges, a fifth of bourbon and a

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 manual needed, spare 1983 manual available

2013-01-30 Thread dseretakis
The BBB? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Uh uh. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Have you tried calling MBUSA to see if they have any in stock? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Armed IRS agents will confiscate property, seize bank accounts, escort you to federal custody. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: What exactly do you call taking money by force? No one is stealing - it's called

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
But isn't this how government must work at a fundamental level? Take taxes from all, distribute it where its needed? - I don't have kids in school, which should my taxes go to pay for it? If you have kids, thats your problem to pay for it. - Nobody is attacking me or my family, I shouldn't have

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Mountain Man
Brian wrote: Anyone ever been to Ruff's Liquor and Sporting goods in Arizona? They've since given up their liquor license, but at one time you buy a shotgun, cartridges, a fifth of bourbon and a Hustler ... at the drive thru. :-) No tobacco in your purchase ...at the drive thru...? Or... is

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
No, this is not how our government is supposed to work. For the first hundred years, our government did not steal money for the purpose of redistribution. You should read Davy Crockett's speech to Congress: http://www.fee.org/library/detail/not-your-to-give-2 -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Mountain Man
Jaime wrote: Closed minded extreem ideas don't go very far. (Except maybe with the crowd on this list!) All politics is religion. All politics is close minded incapable of being convinced otherwise. We are I forgot, this is not banned. mao ___

Re: [MBZ] 1985 123 manual needed, spare 1983 manual available

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
My point is that if you call it a Introduction manual, and even better if you could get the MB publication number, you'll have better success finding a used copy. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Uh uh. On Wed, Jan

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: But isn't this how government must work at a fundamental level? Take taxes from all, distribute it where its needed? Not according to the Constitution. - I don't have kids in school, which should my taxes go to pay for it? If you have kids, thats

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Its a nice thing to read, but clearly not relevant today. I'm not happy with a lot going on in Government today, but I do like having highways, schools, police, a fire department, and the national guard when the shit hits the fan. (Like when a hurricane blows through, for example). I pay taxes

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Toscano
I pay taxes so I can benefit from these things when I need them. Seems fair to me. Sounds like you are mixing up taxes and insurance premiums. Glad to hear the radiator repair was not expensive! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Dan Penoff
Hustler is a naughty magazine, like Playboy only more, uh, clinical, shall we say? At least it used to be. Haven't seen one in years... Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 30, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Brian wrote: Anyone ever been to Ruff's Liquor and Sporting

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Aye, we seem to have found another topic to stir up strong opinions. I second your motion, will try to get back to our regular programming... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Its a nice thing to read, but clearly not

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
Why would it cost a fortune? Its basically an on-demand hot water heater that also heats our house. We buy around 200 gallons of oil in January, March and October. This year we went much farther into January than I'd expected us to which I'm attributing to the added insulation in the attic.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
Jamie all your examples clearly constitute a public good. Putting the government into the flood insurance business so fools can build houses too close to the ocean clearly is not... I don't mind paying for the public good, I've made good use of interstate highways. Of course I don't think

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
You got it backwards but I will give you a .45 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: How much firepower would you give for my SDL and 300E? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 1/29/2013 6:33 PM, Kaleb C.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Gerry Archer
- Original Message - From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues I thought they used the word REPUBLIC in the pledge because it sounded better. ;)

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
You've got it, Gerry... the problem is where the campaign money comes from, but its not the foreign sources, its the unlimited amounts pouring in from anonymous super wealthy americans. An elite few are controlling the direction of this country. This is what is really costing us our freedom and

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread dseretakis
Or a 4.5?:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: You got it backwards but I will give you a .45 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: How much firepower would you give for my

[MBZ] Old Radiators was more OT Political Crap

2013-01-30 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 30, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Can we go back to talking about Mercedes now? Today I found a radiator shop who is going to clean up and test the radiator from my W109 for $85, and have it done tomorrow. You are lucky to find a decent shop. They are

Re: [MBZ] More guns

2013-01-30 Thread Benz Hogs
.45 for me and a .22 for Sarah to target shoot. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 1/30/2013 7:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You got it backwards but I will give you a .45 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net

Re: [MBZ] 15cm of hose: was - OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Fmiser
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Today I found a radiator shop who is going to clean up and test the radiator from my W109 for $85, and have it done tomorrow. This great deal offsets the $80 I had to spend on a meter of giant cooling hose for the same car, although I only need about 15cm of it.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Scott Ritchey
The main function of money in politics is to buy communications. But in addition to paid political messages, the media (radio, TV, and newspapers) have great influence and that's all off the books. It seems to me that the media has taken sides, and not just in the editorial spaces.