Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
Wow, what a trip back in time! I seem to recall mine being yellow with green trim. Strange, as over the years that's one toy I explicitly recall as a Christmas gift. Dan On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I had a wind up tractor with

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
I'll bet that no one had a little boat with a candle in the middle that turned water into steam, put-putted like a V-1 reaction motor, and sailed around the bathtub. Sometimes wondered if a people-sized boat like that would work. Gerry From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Wow, what a trip back

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
I do recall the little stationary steam engines that ran off an alcohol burner. Always wanted one of them. I'll bet a lot of people here built models. I built a lot of planes... Dan On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I'll bet that no one had a little

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread WILTON
What? Y'all had store-bought toys? My tractor was made from a wood sewing thread spool, a piece of crayon, a stick and a rubber band cut from a discarded inner tube or a rarely found store-bought rubber band. My car or truck was a block of wood, complemented by perfect vocal sound effects.

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread WILTON
I didn't have one, but I played with a friend once who had one - no bathtub, though. We played with it in a galvanized wash/laundry tub. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Rich Thomas
You could be arrested, expelled from school, and put in jail for doing that today. Even if you are 6 years old. You are a terrorist. --R On 11/11/13 9:57 AM, WILTON wrote: My six shooter was my right hand with index finger extended to form the barrel and thumb up to form the hammer, also

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread WILTON
Yep; a pity we have come to such. Wilt - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess You could be arrested, expelled from school,

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Craig
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:32:17 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I do recall the little stationary steam engines that ran off an alcohol burner. Always wanted one of them. I had one. I think we used fuel pellets in it, too. I'll bet a lot of people here built models. I built a lot of

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Craig
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:24:21 -0500 Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I'll bet that no one had a little boat with a candle in the middle that turned water into steam, put-putted like a V-1 reaction motor, and sailed around the bathtub. Sometimes wondered if a people-sized boat like

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
We had some of those, too. On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: What? Y'all had store-bought toys? My tractor was made from a wood sewing thread spool, a piece of crayon, a stick and a rubber band cut from a discarded inner tube or a rarely found store-bought

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
My sister had a boyfriend who gave my brother and I his old Cox two cycle airplanes. I took the PT-19 with the rubber bands that held it together. My brother got a Stuka dive bomber. I flew the PT-19 all the time. Fly it into the ground? Boom! Parts separate and you just put them back

[MBZ] OT: Frozen windows

2013-11-11 Thread Craig
Frozen windows Wife texts husband on a cold winter’s morning: Windows frozen, won't open. Husband texts back: Gently pour some lukewarm water over it. Wife texts back 5 minutes later: Computer really messed up now.” Craig ___

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Rich Thomas
I still have my Cox Navy trainer (I forget the number) in a box somewhere, along with a coupla cars. --R On 11/11/13 11:22 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: My sister had a boyfriend who gave my brother and I his old Cox two cycle airplanes. I took the PT-19 with the rubber bands that held it

Re: [MBZ] Craig needs to get a job and get his butt out of N.M.

2013-11-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Craig wrote: Yes, Craig is indeed trying to get a job and get out of NM. Good idea, if the cops there are conspiring to anally rape 63 year old white dudes. Here's the US News version of the story:

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Gerry Archer wrote: I'll bet that no one had a little boat with a candle in the middle that turned water into steam, put-putted like a V-1 reaction motor, and sailed around the bathtub. Sometimes wondered if a people-sized boat like that would work. I thought our tractors were cool (they

Re: [MBZ] OT Sexiest aircraft. was: One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Mitch Haley
G Mann wrote: Original raced at Le-mans GT40 with full documents Bill Thomas Cheeta Original aluminum body AC Cobra with 289 Ford engine [Owned one, sold it upon enlistment in military, glove box was completely full of speeding tickets] 1934 Packard V12, 3 window coupe My brother had an

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Randy Bennell wrote: Any of you folks watch Ice Pilots of the North about Buffalo Airways out of Yellowknife? It is amazing that they are still using aircraft that are 70 years old for commercial purposes in such a difficult and hostile environment. Did they ever do a 2nd season? Mitch.

[MBZ] steam boat

2013-11-11 Thread Rick Hawkins Java
Folks, I had the little steamboat in the late 50's or early 60's the one i had was pretty crummy. I remember my mother helping me run it in the tub since i wasn't allowed to play with matches i had a couple of the stationary steam engines that i got second hand from other kids the ones

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
He gave us some of the cars, too. I seem to recall a white McClaren among others. Never quite figured the cars out. You had to set up either a straight line or have them run in a circle. If you didn't have perfectly flat ground they tended to bounce and fly around. On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:37

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
And to think of all the fun I used to have with a pack of matches On Nov 11, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gerry Archer wrote: I'll bet that no one had a little boat with a candle in the middle that turned water into steam, put-putted like a V-1 reaction motor,

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Frederick Moir
Randy, Mitch. Ice Pilots NWT just started season 5.   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt Randy

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
I think that might heave been the plane I had. Blue fuselage and a yellow wing? Held together with rubber bands? If so, that was the one. On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I still have my Cox Navy trainer (I forget the number) in a box

[MBZ] Is fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?

2013-11-11 Thread Zoltan Finks
Hello all, I've been wondering lately if one can trust that the quality of fuel from convenience stores or from the grocery store gas stations is as good as that of the major gas station chains. Here in Cincinnati, fuel (gas) has been in the low $3 range. A United Dairy Farmers convenience store

Re: [MBZ] Is fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?

2013-11-11 Thread Gary Hurst
absolutely, zoli,. they all get em from the same big tanks you see on the edge of town. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.comwrote: Hello all, I've been wondering lately if one can trust that the quality of fuel from convenience stores or from the grocery

[MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
Since our rolling stock seems to be rolling and the list is slow; here is a problem I'm almost ashamed to put before the experts on the List: The Becker Grand Prix Automatic model 612 in my '83 300D was removed, and on re-installation the main, four prong plug could not be found anywhere

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
We were sort of rich during the 1930s Depression since father had a secure job. The result was that my parents and three older working sisters spoiled their sickly little brother with Christmas and birthday gifts. I had a Lionel train set, an Erector set, a crystal radio, and a single

Re: [MBZ] Is fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?

2013-11-11 Thread Allan Streib
They might cut it with higher amounts of ethanol depending on your location. I think the Federal standard allows up to 15% now which I would only want to run in a Flex-Fuel vehicle that was specifically designed for high ethanol blends. Check the octane also, the really cheap places around here

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Rich Thomas
No that was the 19, this was an SNJ I think -- silver. My cousin had the PT-19. --R On 11/11/13 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I think that might heave been the plane I had. Blue fuselage and a yellow wing? Held together with rubber bands? If so, that was the one. On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:37

Re: [MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread Rich Thomas
It's not that hard to get the console out, or to remove the surround for the shifter, if you need to fish around a bit. That said, it has been awhile since I did it, and don't remember exactly how, but I think there are a coupla screws on either side of the console sorta low to the front,

Re: [MBZ] OT - a steam mess

2013-11-11 Thread Hendrik and Fay
I remember some of my friends had these, think my sister has one too. http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Workshop-Combos.html I do recall that those tools actually cut and drilled and such. Hendrik who still plays with toys but they are bigger and more expensiver On 12/11/13 02:03, Craig wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Is fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?

2013-11-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Who gives a sh*t about fuel? I want to know about DIESEL. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: They might cut it with higher amounts of ethanol depending on your location. I think the Federal standard allows up to 15% now which I would only want to run

Re: [MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Shine a flashlight into the opening. It's there somewhere. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It's not that hard to get the console out, or to remove the surround for the shifter, if you need to fish around a bit. That said, it has

Re: [MBZ] Is fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
What, no King Kwik? Dan former resident of Mt. Healthy, OH Sent from my iPad On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I've been wondering lately if one can trust that the quality of fuel from convenience stores or from the grocery store gas

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
Gerry Archer wrote: I'll bet that no one had a little boat with a candle in the middle that turned water into steam, put-putted like a V-1 reaction motor, and sailed around the bathtub. Sometimes wondered if a people-sized boat like that would work. I thought our tractors were cool (they

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
Our cars were Lifebuoy bar soap boxes with the passenger compartment cut out and tiny seats and dashboards made of cardboard installed. Don't remember what we used for wheels. Gerry On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:57 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: What? Y'all had store-bought toys? My tractor

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
Electric engine model planes seem to be the currently most popular. This big subdivision where I live has a model plane airport which I think is exclusively for electric planes since fuel engine planes could cause fires if they crashed in this wooded area. Old friend in Tallahassee built and

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread WILTON
'Did enjoy watching 'em; 'haven't seen 'em for several months; 'don't remember what channel they were on, but cable co. may have dropped 'em or the channel. Wilt - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday,

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread WILTON
Yep, you were rich. Wilt - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess We were sort of rich during the 1930s Depression since father had a

Re: [MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread WILTON
Isn't there also in bottom console tray near rear of the console? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Silly problem It's not

Re: [MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread Rich Thomas
Yes that just pops out (I think) or there might be a screw to hold it in? --R On 11/11/13 6:02 PM, WILTON wrote: Isn't there also in bottom console tray near rear of the console? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
I tried that but the connector is probably down, back, and under where it can't be seen. I even tried a Milwaukee Digital Inspection Camera received as a present several years ago, but the four foot shaft is a flexible steel tube that isn't very flexible and wouldn't make the turn inside the

Re: [MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread WILTON
MEANT to say, Isn't there also a SCREW in bottom of the console tray near rear of console and above the drive shaft tunnel? Wilt - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 11,

[MBZ] Plane crash

2013-11-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
A Mu2 crashed the other day in the woods near the airport here killing one our senators son. Have not heard about one crashing in a while. I have flown a lot on one of them back in the early 90s. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

[MBZ] Subject: Re: OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread RDeafBoy
My six shooter was my right hand with index finger extended to form the barrel and thumb up to form the hammer, also complemented by perfect vocal sound effects. Wilton And my ex-wife's toy vibrator was my index middle finger-no battery required !!She provided the vocal sound

Re: [MBZ] Cord for Block Heater

2013-11-11 Thread Larry T
Hi Alex, Thanks again for the warning. I rec'd the new one from Gary today and tried to push it on a little while ago -- Man! You weren't kidding about it being a bad design -- the push fit is very poor - plus it's very hard to reach - why couldn't they have put the heater nearer the

Re: [MBZ] Silly problem

2013-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
You and Rich are refreshing my memory since I haven't had it out in about 10 years. Thanks, Gerry MEANT to say, Isn't there also a SCREW in bottom of the console tray near rear of console and above the drive shaft tunnel? Wilt - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Scott Ritchey
With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. I once read a speculation that if the Government was in

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Craig
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:47:22 -0500 Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Old friend in Tallahassee built and flew electric model planes equipped with cameras after he gave up his PPL and 183R due to age. PPL? 183R? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote: And to think of all the fun I used to have with a pack of matches I liked the wooden match stick guns we made using 3-piece clothes pins - the ones with metal spring. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Is fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?

2013-11-11 Thread Fmiser
Andrew wrote: Who gives a sh*t about fuel? I want to know about DIESEL. Err, fuel is the general term that includes both gasoline and diesel. Among truck drivers, the term fuel where most people in the US use gas. Like, My fuel tank is mostly full, so I'll keep going., or What's a good

[MBZ] Scored a SL kit holder

2013-11-11 Thread clay
I have been kicking myself over not snagging the first aid kit holder eight years ago out of the PnP SLC. Looking over CL and fleabay, these things are running to three figures! That ain't gonna work. Yesterday I saw a listing for a w115 map pocket. Looked like no door pocket, seller knew

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread G Mann
A new 172 Cessna will now cost you about $500,000 I'm told. 4 place garden variety, 130 mph airplane. Government regulations over past 20 years along with OSHA and EPA compliance has driven up the price while sales have evaporated... The old airplanes built 50 yrs ago are more rugged by far in

Re: [MBZ] Is fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?

2013-11-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: So when I read fuel, generally interpret that as not-gasoline - typically diesel, though it could be CNG (compressed natural gas), kerosine [paraffin], propane, hydrogen, uranium, bunker oil, WVO, etc - or even gasoline [petrol]!

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread OK Don
Yup, had one. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: I'll bet that no one had a little boat with a candle in the middle that turned water into steam, put-putted like a V-1 reaction motor, and sailed around the bathtub. Sometimes wondered if a

Re: [MBZ] OT - a mess

2013-11-11 Thread OK Don
I think he means PPL = Private Pilot License and 183R was supposed to be Cessna 182R, the 1986 re-start model after Cessna quit building single engine aircraft in 1977 due to liability suits. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:47:22

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread OK Don
Not true, even Cessna has new designs now (well, they bought them but are building and selling them now). The TTx is a new, composit single engine aircraft. With superior safety and performance engineered into the design DNA of the aircraft, every inch of the TTx has been meticulously refined for

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Scott Ritchey
I fail to see the connection. The aircraft are prohibitively expensive because of government regulation and liability. How is the number of pilots factor in except (maybe) to increase demand which (all things being equal) also increases price. The longevity of these old birds increases the

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread OK Don
The sport pilot license resulted in a new group of qualified aircraft that sell in the $100k to $200k range - less than half the cost of a new standard light aircraft. How that is supposed to help, I don't know. What it has done is keep old geasers flying who can't (or are afraid they can't) pass

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Scott Ritchey
Ignoring the fact that the TTx is not really a new design, let us see how this plays out. Cessna only started making the TTx this year. I recall discussion here about another novel aircraft (I don't recall the model) that sold in small numbers until the builder bought back all surviving

Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt

2013-11-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Nov 11, 2013 9:57 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: The aircraft are prohibitively expensive because of government regulation and liability. How is the number of pilots factor in except (maybe) to increase demand which (all things being equal) also increases price. No, it