Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff
I would think so. Balancing is just making sure the moving parts are equal in weight. I can't see that being at all difficult in this environment. Dan who once balanced and blueprinted a 1600cc Beetle engine. On Dec 29, 2013, at 7:46 PM, OK Don wrote: I wonder if the manufacturing process

[MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-30 Thread Larry T
Hi Gang, The seat belt retractor is no longer operating smoothly it sometimes fails to retract and can be difficult to extend. The WSM lists some info about the retractor but it only has the microfische location and not the complete Job Package. (91-502) Has anyone taken the

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff
This has been discussed in the W140 conference over at Benzworld a bit. Seems that the return spring just gets tired from age and use. That being said, some people claim that by carefully spraying something like WD40 on the sides of the retractor and operating it briskly will get it to work

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff
What's so special about a VW Phaeton? Don't think I've ever seen one in person. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-30 Thread Larry T
How would I access the retractor on a 4 dr W124, fully extend the belt and spray into the opening?No need to write at length - I'm sure I can figure it out - Thx for the comments ! Sincerely, Larry On 12/30/2013 7:46 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: This has been discussed in the W140 conference

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff
On the W124 I would remove the B pillar covering which would give you immediate access to the retractor. You do that by pulling up the threshold panels in both door openings, pulling the door opening welting (that fuzzy strip that surrounds the door opening) off, taking the two screws out of

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread dseretakis
The Saturn SL series was entirely US made as far as I know. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting upe1ujyz

2013-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Gary Hurst
i loved saturn and were quite sad to see them fail On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:32 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The Saturn SL series was entirely US made as far as I know. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 29, 2013

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). Alex my thought has nothing to do with origin. I just never saw any

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Gary Hurst wrote: i loved saturn and were quite sad to see them fail You just didn't like the early Ecotec engines and their lack of oil pressure at low rpm? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
I can't see any way of getting to the crank position sensor from above. Kaleb, when you pulled 124 300D engines, do you remember seeing a sensor on top of the bell housing? There is no space at all behind the engine in a 124, and the hmp is within and inch of the transmission pretty much all

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-30 Thread clay
I have a pair of belts for swap in on the R107. I am going to get them rebuilt and installed. I would then rehabilitate the originals. I am thinking Seatbelt Doctor or Snake Oyl. clay On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:46 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: This has been discussed in the W140 conference over at

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal

2013-12-30 Thread clay
Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser.

[MBZ] Marthamania

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff
Spent the morning calling my parts list in to the dealer and running errands. No sign of either one of my youngsters when I returned, so no chance of removing he hard top so I can start on the headliner and also get into removing all 11 hydraulic cylinders to send out for rebuilding Since

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I can't see any way of getting to the crank position sensor from above. Kaleb, when you pulled 124 300D engines, do you remember seeing a sensor on top of the bell

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-30 Thread OK Don
I did what Dan suggested on my 124's, 123, 201 -- remove the B pillor cover, spray with brake cleaner to clean, followed by a good spray lube. That fixed every one of them. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: On the W124 I would remove the B pillar covering which

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser.

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread OK Don
IIRC, (not likely at this point) it's near the 4:00 to 5:00 position when looking from the front of the engine towards the rear - on the engine side of the bell housing mounting plate. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I'm not sure, don't really

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff
I would consider the W126 chassis car the pinnacle of MB engineering. I loved my 300SD. Dan On Dec 30, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-30 Thread Craig
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:13:46 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I did what Dan suggested on my 124's, 123, 201 -- remove the B pillor cover, spray with brake cleaner to clean, followed by a good spray lube. That fixed every one of them. And, just a reminder, WD-40 is not a good spray lube.

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
K'leb sez: I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone You know, you are not much help! But thanks anyway! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires

2013-12-30 Thread Scott Ritchey
All, Thanks for the advice and tips. I tried most of the things mentioned (except ether, which I didn't have) without success. I ended up going to a tire shop today to get the beads seated. Two tire shops (that didn't have air cannons) tried without success. The third shop had the air

Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires

2013-12-30 Thread Scott Ritchey
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281207789352?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984. m1497.l2649 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 6:49 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seating

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
I pulled the EDS plug from the IP this evening. No change in behavior. I pulled fuses one by one, with no change in behavior. Does not seem to be electric, except the tach and flashing lights indicate something electric. I cleaned the battery terminals, no change in behavior. I then thought

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Curt Raymond
They were really long lived cars too. I dated a girl who had one as a hand-me-down from her mom with around 300,000 miles on it when I stopped seeing her. Friends of my parent's had a Nova, it lasted forever too. It got hit and she hated it so she drove it around not using 4th or 5th gear

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Curt Raymond
Geo allowed people who would never buy an asian car to get an asian car without having to have a Toyota or Suzuki. My dad had a Chevy Tracker which was a re-badged Geo Tracker which was a re-badged Suzuki Grand Vitara. It was an EXCELLENT little truck, very good offroad and easy on gas. The

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Peter Frederick
I suspect having things drop out is the job of the OVP -- keeps the electronics from frying. I don't think that is the issue for me, though, headlights are normal brightness. Worth a check. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Seating Beads on New Tires

2013-12-30 Thread Curt Raymond
When I used to help out at the shop down the street we'd have a helluva time with ATV tires. They run very low pressure so the sidewalls are very strong and stiff. Many times used the ether (or spray lube or even propane) trick. I've seen a tire poof out almost twice its original diameter...

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I will see what I can see on an engine I got in the garage. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: K'leb sez: I'm not sure, don't really remember. Sent from my iPhone You know, you are not much help! But thanks anyway!

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Does your meter read 12.4 to 12.8 on a car that's been sitting a while with a fully charged good

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz

2013-12-30 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in the

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
Geo allowed people who would never buy an asian car to get an asian car without having to have a Toyota or Suzuki. My dad had a Chevy Tracker which was a re-badged Geo Tracker which was a re-badged Suzuki Grand Vitara. It was an EXCELLENT little truck, very good offroad and easy on gas. The

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
So, is it possibly accessible from underneath? Did you have problem with it? Did you do an engine swap on a OM603? I know you did the 107. IIRC, (not likely at this point) it's near the 4:00 to 5:00 position when looking from the front of the engine towards the rear - on the engine side

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
I suspect having things drop out is the job of the OVP -- keeps the electronics from frying. I don't think that is the issue for me, though, headlights are normal brightness. Worth a check. Peter My $3 multimeter read 18.5 volts with the car running. Seemed like a bad regulator. I

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Does your meter read 12.4 to 12.8 on a car that's been sitting a while with a fully charged good

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
I will see what I can see on an engine I got in the garage. Sent from my iPhone OK Don says it is about 4 or 5 o'clock position looking at the front of the engine. Lower left. That might be visible from underneath. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Fmiser
Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Ouch! If that's accurate, you have troubles. Well designed automotive electronics should

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz

2013-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff
I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I never paid any attention. Sent from my iPad On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton?

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Rick Knoble
On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Until they screwed it up Saturn was a brilliant move, weird little cars that people loved in a no-pressure buying atmosphere. Saturn people loved Saturn, then they just made it like everything else at GM, same way they

Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz

2013-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I never paid any attention. Well, maybe if they had a TDI version in this country, or if somebody wanted to give me a Phaeton with an unhappy engine and a Toerag TDI that some fool rolled at freeway speeds in

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
Dieselhead wrote: I checked voltage with the engine running. got a climbing voltage up to 17.5, then later 18 and still later near 18v. I am not sure about the accuracy or a $3 multimeter. Ouch! If that's accurate, you have troubles. Well designed automotive electronics should

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
IMHO, a business doesn't really start a downhill slide until the accountants take over. Rick Sent from my iPhone A brilliant, and accurate observation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread OK Don
I dropped a 603 sump on a jack - got to RR the oil pan. Spent some quality time under that car . . . No problem with the sensor, just cataloging every thing I saw, checking all the wires after I finished, etc. Yes, accessible from underneath. Now that you mention it, the OM60x engines are among

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Dieselhead
I dropped a 603 sump on a jack - got to RR the oil pan. Spent some quality time under that car . . . No problem with the sensor, just cataloging every thing I saw, checking all the wires after I finished, etc. Yes, accessible from underneath. Now that you mention it, the OM60x engines are among

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a business doesn't really start a downhill slide until the accountants take over. A brilliant, and accurate observation. Rather an incoherent comment, Loren, considering that you just said that you thought

Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-30 Thread Rick Knoble
On Dec 30, 2013, at 11:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I love the engine in this 300D. It is the least worked on of any I have had. Most neglected engine. I can tell because it still has all the factory bolts and attachments for the wiring harness and other stuff. It is

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Rick Knoble
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:20:02 -0800 From: apchamberl...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is interesting On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, a business doesn't really start a

Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2013-12-30 Thread Gary Hurst
those old full sized body on frame cars would also get a lot of miles on them. i'd be willing to bet on a late 70s delta 88 or lesabre to make it to 300k miles On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: They were really long lived cars too. I dated a girl who