Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
ld nuke plant and the engaged > driving a manual requires but missed the scoots. > > AZBob > > From: Mercedes on behalf of Curt Raymond > via Mercedes > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 7:47 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
From: Mercedes on behalf of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 7:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny I was astonished when I started driving a TDI and finally had a turbo that's spooled

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-18 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
the scoots. AZBob From: Mercedes on behalf of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 7:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny I was astonished when I started driving a TDI and finally had a turbo

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-18 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 18/04/2024 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I'd always assumed a 240D 3.0 would be an "adequately powerful 240D". As somebody who lives where its kind of hilly a 240D with its 50mph max sustained hill climbing speed was a drag. I used to hit some hills at 70mph so I could crest at

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I'd always assumed a 240D 3.0 would be an "adequately powerful 240D".  As somebody who lives where its kind of hilly a 240D with its 50mph max sustained hill climbing speed was a drag. I used to hit some hills at 70mph so I could crest at 55. A 190D has the same power but a little less weight

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I was astonished when I started driving a TDI and finally had a turbo that's spooled and working at 900 rpm. The turbo is so much more effective on those cars. I've never driven a newer MB diesel, I'd hope the turbo gets going sooner... -Curt On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 02:51:17 PM EDT,

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 13:50:09 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Always wanted a manual in my 300D. Settled for shifting between "S" and > "D" as needed. > > Turbo is a bit slow to spool up on these, so you'd need to learn to not > let the RPMs fall too much during shifts. My 240D/3.0

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-17 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Always wanted a manual in my 300D. Settled for shifting between "S" and "D" as needed. Turbo is a bit slow to spool up on these, so you'd need to learn to not let the RPMs fall too much during shifts. On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, at 12:00, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Dude has a sense of humor: "Lessons on how to drive stick are included if needed upon purchase, I won’t yell at you like your dad." On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:01 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/959721412262078/ > > I wonder

[MBZ] 300D Manny

2024-04-17 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/959721412262078/ I wonder what this would drive like? AZBob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 300D on carsandbids

2024-02-16 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 10:18:43 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > Oh how I remember when a goodly portion of the posts used to deal with > B2 piston and ALDA adjustments. I do as well. And I should probably ask about their applicability to my 1980 300SD ... Craig

Re: [MBZ] 300D on carsandbids

2024-02-16 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Oh how I remember when a goodly portion of the posts used to deal with B2 piston and ALDA adjustments. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:40 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, at 11:23, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> On the

Re: [MBZ] 300D on carsandbids

2024-02-16 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, at 11:23, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > On the positive side, the 49 state '85 model year version features the most > robust transmission. Are you refering to the B2 piston issue? That's not a terrible repair (though I have no idea if the improved parts are

[MBZ] 300D on carsandbids

2024-02-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Surprising amount of interest for an unattractive and imperfect W123. Judging from the condition of the interior, I suspect the mileage is substantially "different" from the odometer reading. On the positive side, the 49 state '85 model year version features the most robust transmission.

Re: [MBZ] 300D, Reasonable

2024-01-29 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Front fender/clip appears to be slightly off in shade from the doors Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 29, 2024, at 10:02 AM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3258826884421394/ This cat lives out by the old nuke plant. Wonder what the interior looks like? AZBob 

[MBZ] 300D, Reasonable

2024-01-29 Thread Robert Rentfro via Mercedes
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3258826884421394/ This cat lives out by the old nuke plant. Wonder what the interior looks like? AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows  ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] 300D not half bad

2023-12-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Well, you are a master welder On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 11:03 PM Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > Sure. Floors should be checked but overall it looks solid. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > >  > Aren't you concerned about the rust and missing

Re: [MBZ] 300D not half bad

2023-12-06 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Sure. Floors should be checked but overall it looks solid. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >  > Aren't you concerned about the rust and missing metal around the jack point > spreading to the floors? > >> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 9:48 PM Dimitri

Re: [MBZ] 300D not half bad

2023-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Aren't you concerned about the rust and missing metal around the jack point spreading to the floors? On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 9:48 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Rust looks minimal. Overall not bad. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:24 AM,

Re: [MBZ] 300D not half bad

2023-12-06 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Rust looks minimal. Overall not bad. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Some jack point rust but overall looks pretty nice > > Look at this post on Facebook > https://www.facebook.com/share/5ohj2GjBJBmW7bS4/?mibextid=79PoIi > >

Re: [MBZ] 300D not half bad

2023-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
CA version with the trap oxidizer and several unique, hard to find engine parts (e.g., turbocharger). Rust could be extensive (floors). Dash cracks make driving painful. Not worth restoring. On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 10:24 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Some

[MBZ] 300D not half bad

2023-12-06 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Some jack point rust but overall looks pretty nice Look at this post on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/share/5ohj2GjBJBmW7bS4/?mibextid=79PoIi --FT Sent from iFōn ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> The belt is mince meat! The idler pulley (or tensioner pulley, are they the > same?) Not usually. Does this car have both? Cars vary on this point. > is very stiff. I bet that’s what caused the belt to disintegrate. Is this > easy to replace? I should think so. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 23:13:50 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" wrote: > Look on a forum like BenzWorld for the procedure if no one else here > (Kleb?) weighs in. I’ve done it and don’t recall it being a difficult > job, nor were the parts expensive. I have done it -- twice -- and found it's

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
There is a French guy on YouTube who did a video on it. Doesn’t seem particularly difficult. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2023, at 7:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Look on a forum like BenzWorld for the procedure if no one else here (Kleb?) > weighs in. I’ve done it and

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Look on a forum like BenzWorld for the procedure if no one else here (Kleb?) weighs in. I’ve done it and don’t recall it being a difficult job, nor were the parts expensive. -D > On Sep 7, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > So they’re not the same? > > Sent from

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
So they’re not the same? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah an idler or tensioner pulley munching can do that. Worth replacing both > in any case just as a regular maintenance item > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Sep 7,

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Not sure. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:54 AM, Dwight Giles wrote: > >  > oh no. any misaligned or burrs on pulleys? > >> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 11:40 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast >>

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
The belt is mince meat! The idler pulley (or tensioner pulley, are they the same?) is very stiff. I bet that’s what caused the belt to disintegrate. Is this easy to replace? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Did it actually break or

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Yeah an idler or tensioner pulley munching can do that. Worth replacing both in any case just as a regular maintenance item --FT Sent from iFōn > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Did it actually break or just come off the pulleys? > > I ask because I’m

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
oh no. any misaligned or burrs on pulleys? On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 11:40 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast > back home mostly downhill with some short spurts where I drove the car > until it

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Did it actually break or just come off the pulleys? I ask because I’m wondering if the idler pulley needs to be replaced. -D > On Sep 7, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast > back home

[MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

2023-09-07 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast back home mostly downhill with some short spurts where I drove the car until it started getting hot. Anyway, I might tackle it on my own as I did the alternator on that car when I first got it and obviously the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Does the external lever move with the shutoff doo-dad? I've never had the opportunity to observe it. -Curt On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:19:45 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > > Yes, but I don’t believe it should be in the down position when the engine > is off. Why? 

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Dimitri needs some additional staff for sure. On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 2:03 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Or just let it idle all night every day. > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2023, 10:35 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Or just let it idle all night every day. On Thu, Jul 27, 2023, 10:35 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I recommend you retain a valet whose sole responsibility is to start your > extensive fleet on a regular schedule to keep them in fine fettle. > > On Thu, Jul

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I recommend you retain a valet whose sole responsibility is to start your extensive fleet on a regular schedule to keep them in fine fettle. On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 1:30 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I just got it started. It turns out it is an air leak from

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I just got it started. It turns out it is an air leak from somewhere. Question is where? I don’t really have time to troubleshoot that right now so I’ll just let it be and make sure not to let the car sit. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:10 AM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yes. Glow plug system was dealt with 2 months ago. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >  > Have you ruled out the glow plug relay (assuming it has one) and/or the gp > fuse? > >> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 10:51 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >>

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Have you ruled out the glow plug relay (assuming it has one) and/or the gp fuse? On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 10:51 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Probably, but that’s a lot of hassle. I think it will start if I keep > cranking. I just need to charge the battery.

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Probably, but that’s a lot of hassle. I think it will start if I keep cranking. I just need to charge the battery. Obviously, I need to identify the source of the air leak, if in fact that is the culprit. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote:

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 27/07/2023 9:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: I think you are right. The car is getting closer and closer to starting- almost started but my battery is giving in. Would it help to crack the injector lines one by one and bleed off any air? Randy

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I think you are right. The car is getting closer and closer to starting- almost started but my battery is giving in. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:10 AM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > That sounds like the classic small air leak in the fuel system, letting it > drain while

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
So the lever should be down when the car is off and the ignition is in the off position and if it’s up then there is a vacuum leak? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > >  >> Yes, but I don’t believe it should be in the down position when the engine >> is

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > Yes, but I don’t believe it should be in the down position when the engine > is off. Why? Isn't the key still in the OFF position? Turn key ON, but do not start. Observe. > You should be able to push it down and once you let go it should spring > back up. > Only if there's a vacuum

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yes, but I don’t believe it should be in the down position when the engine is off. You should be able to push it down and once you let go it should spring back up. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:09 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >  >> >> >> ... I would turn the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
That sounds like the classic small air leak in the fuel system, letting it drain while sitting. It will run fine as long as it runs every day, and you will not likely see fuel dripping. Check every inch (centimeter) of the lines from the fuel tank to the injection pump. On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > ... I would turn the ignition back on and it would pop up and stay up > while cranking. Once the ignition was turned off the lever would fall back > down. I’m not sure what this means. > It means it's working as designed. How do you think a vacuum-powered mechanical shutoff should work? --

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-27 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Thanks Fred. I might take you up on that generous offer. Meanwhile, I’m noticing a few more things. First of all, the lever was in the up position this morning but the car still would not start although it seems like it’s closer to starting. After cranking unsuccessfully, and turning the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-26 Thread Frederick Moir via Mercedes
Dimitri, Dwight. FWIW. If the lever is down the rack is in the shutoff position and will not supply fuel at all. The vacuum shut-off device could be stuck, maybe? (I have a spare). The pump side plate, when removed, will let you access the rack. I have an OM602 injection pump with 90k mi. that you

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-26 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
wish I could help you Dimitri but it never got a chance to sit as it was a daily driver. worth checking the IP. On Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 9:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo has been sitting for 5 days and now it won’t > start. It glows

[MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

2023-07-26 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo has been sitting for 5 days and now it won’t start. It glows just fine so I think it’s a fuel issue. The injector pump shut off lever is in the depressed position. That doesn’t seem right. I can pull it up but it just flops back down. If I hold it up while someone else

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 14/05/2023 10:17 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: It’s a brand new relay. I bought it at the stealership! Maybe it’s a ground issue? Where is this thing grounded? You should be able to test the relay without it being in the car. Energizing it should result in power being

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Ok so one is indeed the ground. How do I check to see if ground is working. Kaleb said to jumper it to another known ground but how do I do that when the connector connects everything together? Jumper every contact in the connector with every corresponding pin on the relay? That is technically

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Thank you Fred. This is very helpful. I tested all the glow plugs at the glow relay connector and they all check out. I’m not sure how to test the system leaving one or another pin disconnected since the connector connects them all together. Would I have to rig jumpers between each connector

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Could one be a ground? One would have to be. Electronics, _all_ electronics, works in circuits. As in: innie _and_ outie. There is no yin without yang, etc. Check them all, make no assumptions. Generally, in these cars, there are a few major ground points where all the brown wires come

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-14 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Thank you. I will try that. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > It appears pin 31 is ground, connect a test wire from there direct to ground > and see what happens. > >

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-14 Thread Frederick Moir via Mercedes
Dimitri. FWIW found this. I'm not familiar with that glow relay part number but I'll assume the connectors are compatible with MB passenger car harnesses and it's an afterglow relay. Forget the wire colors and check for pin numbers either on the relay itself or on the connector. The numbers

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
It appears pin 31 is ground, connect a test wire from there direct to ground and see what happens. https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/w124-continuous-voltage-to-glow-plugs-ignition-vacuum-connection.258241/ Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > >

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-14 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
It’s a brand new relay. I bought it at the stealership! Maybe it’s a ground issue? Where is this thing grounded? Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > There is no ecm that controls anything with the glow plugs. If the relay > gets

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
There is no ecm that controls anything with the glow plugs. If the relay gets power, but no power is coming out of the pins to the glow plug harness, then the relay is bad. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2023, at 9:02 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > So I’m thinking that

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-14 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
So I’m thinking that maybe the ground to the relay is the problem or that there is an ecm issue. The relay gets power but doesn’t put out power to the glow plugs. But where is the relay grounded? The three connections are the power lug to the battery, the harness to the glow plugs and the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yes my car has three connections as you describe. Big plug to glow plug, cable to battery and small plug. Small plug corresponds to 5 pins on relay. One connection on the plug is live only when ignition is turned on so I presume that is the ignition on. Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2023,

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
On Sat, May 13, 2023, at 11:37, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > start-release stopped the glow plugs On my W116, if I know the engine is warm enough (e.g. after fueling or other short stop) I won't wait for a full glow cycle. Ususally the glow light goes out when I start the car, but

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Ahh so the “activator” might not be working even if power is going through the system. That would be the main thing to check then --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 13, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Used to be there were THREE connections to the relay: > A big plug that

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Used to be there were THREE connections to the relay: A big plug that went to the glow plugs, a big cable that went to the battery, and a small plug that was command and control. The first two are Duh!, but they all need to be working correctly, or you don't get a good start. IIRC there was an

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Get a wire and connect one end to the power coming into the relay then stick the other end on each pin in succession and see if you get power/heat to that particular plug. If the plugs get power you’ll know the problem is with the relay. If the plugs don’t heat up then there is some other

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
How do I jumper around the relay? Battery positive terminal to what? The harness has 5 pins. Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2023, at 8:42 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > So if you jumper around the relay do you get glows to the plugs? > > —FT > > Sent from my iPad > >>

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
So if you jumper around the relay do you get glows to the plugs? —FT Sent from my iPad > On May 13, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > I don’t hear the relay click but I don’t think it’s a mechanical relay. > Having no glow and then replacing the relay with factory new one and

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-13 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I don’t hear the relay click but I don’t think it’s a mechanical relay. Having no glow and then replacing the relay with factory new one and still no glow makes me doubt that the new relay is bad though. Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2023, at 9:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-12 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Can you hear or feel the relay click when the ignition switch is turned on? It sounds from all the symptoms like the mechanical relay is bad. Or maybe be there isn’t enough current to actually activate the relay? You could still see volts but not current. Did you try running power directly to

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-12 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Ok so in addition to the wire that goes to the relay power lug, there is a second harness going to the relay which is comprised of 5 wires going into a connector. One of these is purple with white stripe. One of these 5 wires, not sure which without taking connector apart, is live only when

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-12 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I’m not sure how to check for that. There is constant power at the lug on the relay. With the ignition in the on position there is no power at any of the 5 pins on the relay that go to their respective glow plugs. I inspected the chaffed harness and while there are some exposed wires where the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I had the opportunity to get a Fluke (probably several) from a previous employer when a building was closed down. Sadly I didn't realize that I wanted/needed one and passed... -Curt On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 12:13:28 AM EDT, Jim Cathey wrote: > The Harbor Freight $20 multi-meter is

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
They're awful. This one is much better: https://www.harborfreight.com/electrical/electrician-s-tools/multimeters-testers/11-function-digital-multimeter-with-audible-continuity-61593.html -Curt On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 07:28:44 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Here's the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 11 May 2023 21:16:06 -0700 Jim Cathey wrote: > 400+V is death waiting to happen. You do NOT screw around > at those voltage levels. The electrical safety classes I attended at Los Alamos National Laboratory showed videos of what happened when mistakes were made working around 408

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
The signal from the keyswitch should be there at the relay. If it's not, of course it won't work. Used to be the purple wire, IIRC. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
400+V is death waiting to happen. You do NOT screw around at those voltage levels. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> The Harbor Freight $20 multi-meter is pretty good for the money. I like them > for keeping in places where they might get taken/damaged. I keep one at the > vast northern estate. Yeah, but once you've used a Fluke you'll never go back. I have three. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
This is the kind of issue one expects from BMWs, not Mercedes. Very disappointing. On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:38 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Check for broken solder in the pins and wires in the connector. It’s > possible the keyswitch is bad too, although

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Check for broken solder in the pins and wires in the connector. It’s possible the keyswitch is bad too, although unlikely. Have someone operate the key switch while you listen for the relay to close. If it does, investigate why the glow plugs aren’t getting hot, if it doesn’t, make sure the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
They used to give those away if you bought something. I have 3 or 4 of them here and there. Maybe 5 or 6. --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 11, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Here's the ultimate el-cheapo HF meter > >

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Dimitri, it has been 7 years since I had that but my sketchy memory is that there was fuse for GP relay maybe on right side inner fender. Dwight On Thu, May 11, 2023, 7:24 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That one looks pretty nifty. > > Sent from my iPhone >

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Here's the ultimate el-cheapo HF meter https://www.harborfreight.com/electrical/electrician-s-tools/multimeters-testers/7-function-digital-multimeter-63759.html On Thu, May 11, 2023, at 18:23, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > That one looks pretty nifty. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
What makes the 2nd one better than the first one? Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > That one looks pretty nifty. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 11, 2023, at 5:12 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> But wait!

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
That one looks pretty nifty. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2023, at 5:12 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > But wait! There’s an even better one for just a few bucks more! > >

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 11 May 2023 21:08:02 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" wrote: > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SHLS639 > > That’s pretty cool for $25. I especially like the light up rings around > the banana jacks for the probes so you know where to plug things in > based on the setting. > > -D The

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2023-05-11 17:12, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: But wait! There’s an even better one for just a few bucks more! https://www.amazon.com/KAIWEETS-Multimeter-Electrical-Capacitance-Temperature-dp-B09GF2FZVY/dp/B09GF2FZVY/ref=dp_ob_title_def?th=1 Yeah but I never saw that one go 50% off.

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
But wait! There’s an even better one for just a few bucks more! https://www.amazon.com/KAIWEETS-Multimeter-Electrical-Capacitance-Temperature-dp-B09GF2FZVY/dp/B09GF2FZVY/ref=dp_ob_title_def?th=1 -D > On May 11, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > I might get that

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I might get that one. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2023, at 4:32 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2023-05-11 15:08, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> The Harbor Freight $20 multi-meter is pretty good for the money. I >> like them for keeping in places where they might get

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
That’s pretty cool for $25. I especially like the light up rings around the banana jacks for the probes so you know where to plug things in based on the setting. -D > On May 11, 2023, at 4:31 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2023-05-11 15:08, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> The

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I went to Ace hardware and got a test lamp. The relay has power. I then tested a singular glow plug and it had no power so I proceeded to inspect the harness from the relay to the plugs and found that it was chafed and had visible conductor material. If the wire to one or even some of the plugs

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2023-05-11 15:08, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: The Harbor Freight $20 multi-meter is pretty good for the money. I like them for keeping in places where they might get taken/damaged. I keep one at the vast northern estate. This one is my new favorite cheap meter. When I bought it the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The Harbor Freight $20 multi-meter is pretty good for the money. I like them for keeping in places where they might get taken/damaged. I keep one at the vast northern estate. -Curt On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 03:01:59 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: There is no fuse

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Contact the Classic Center. They can send you the schematic. On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is no fuse before it that I’m aware of. This relay doesn’t have a > strip fuse like some others. I haven’t checked if there is

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
There is no fuse before it that I’m aware of. This relay doesn’t have a strip fuse like some others. I haven’t checked if there is power to the relay yet because my stupid voltmeter is broken! Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2023, at 2:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Is there power at the relay? Is there a fuse before it? Are there ground connections that need to be cleaned? Randy On 11/05/2023 1:48 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: So I replaced the GP relay on the 1990 300D 2.5T but it’s still not glowing. Light does not come on at all. I was

[MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

2023-05-11 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
So I replaced the GP relay on the 1990 300D 2.5T but it’s still not glowing. Light does not come on at all. I was able to start the car as some suggested after cranking for quite a bit. I replaced all the glow plugs a couple of years ago so I don’t think that’s the issue either. It must be some

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

2023-05-07 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
The glow light is not coming on so it’s almost certainly a glow issue. Sent from my iPhone > On May 7, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >  > I assume you ruled out a fuel delivery problem. > >> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 7:54 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> With how

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

2023-05-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I assume you ruled out a fuel delivery problem. On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 7:54 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > With how much cranking? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 6, 2023, at 10:04 PM, Dwight Giles > wrote: > > > >  > > that car (300D 2.5T) will start

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