Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
One is making the ultimate long journey "Where we're going we don't need roads!" Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: A first-year (2008) Tesla Roadster would be 14 years old. I wonder if any are still on the road? On

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Put up a lot more solar, it's point of use power, generates during the heat of the day when demand is highest and shades structures it's installed on Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Turn off all chargers during the

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
A first-year (2008) Tesla Roadster would be 14 years old. I wonder if any are still on the road? On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, at 8:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > 20 year old Tesla? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:50 PM mitch--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
20 year old Tesla? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:50 PM mitch--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Those of us who can climb in a 20-40 year old Benz and drive to work... > Imagine trying to do that in a 20-40 year old Tesla. > > On 2022-06-26 12:25, OK Don via

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Lithium chemistry is more sensitive at the extremes of charge. As I understand it, the best battery life is achieved by maintaining the battery "in the middle" e.g. between 40% and 80% of capacity. This is why when you get a new cell phone, it's roughly half-charged. In fact if you discharge

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yeah after 20 years the Tesla will have been long gone. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2022, at 1:50 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > Those of us who can climb in a 20-40 year old Benz and drive to work... > Imagine trying to do that in a 20-40 year old Tesla. > >> On 2022-06-26

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
25% decline in range over 4 years is pretty terrible. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > I drove in a red Tesla today. Owner says the range has declined 25% in 4 > years, currently about 180 miles. Says it takes 20 minutes for

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > Tesla charging stations are abundant and rapidly growing. This still varies wildly on location. We have one, and it's on the wrong side of town to the demographic who might buy a Tesla (though they would mostly just

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I drove in a red Tesla today. Owner says the range has declined 25% in 4 years, currently about 180 miles. Says it takes 20 minutes for a 50% charge, which is usually adequate. To "top up" the battery to 100 takes disproportionately longer. Tesla charging stations are abundant and rapidly

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
Those of us who can climb in a 20-40 year old Benz and drive to work... Imagine trying to do that in a 20-40 year old Tesla. On 2022-06-26 12:25, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Turn off all chargers during the heat of the day - afternoon. Charge only at night - it will help even out the load - the

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
IIRC, Otto, Diesel, and turbine engines are all approximately equally efficient at rated output. Turbines have disgusting throttle lag, and poor fuel economy at partial throttle. (Which makes them a very poor choice for a prime mover in a traditional vehicle, such as the old Chrysler turbine

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
As in the "Back to the Future" Delorean --- I love it. On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 2:33 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > I have another point of view on the future of EV's and available > electricity. > My view is to design and produce a desk top size Thorium reactor which > would be scalable in

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
AFAIK, turbines are insanely thirsty. On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 1:54 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Aside from the pollution caused by making the batteries, I think the > real solution is a plug in hybrid with a small Diesel engine. I wonder if > such a thing exists

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-26 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Turn off all chargers during the heat of the day - afternoon. Charge only at night - it will help even out the load - the utilities should appreciate that. I still think that the life span and recycling of the batteries is where the real limits are. On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 1:05 PM Allan Streib

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
well until electricity is 100% wind, solar & water power generated I will hang on to my fossil fuel MB's. I think right now with >30% electricity generated by fossil fuels, E cars are fake green. YMMV On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 11:58 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Like it or not, the future is

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Thank you !! Just send the winning lottery numbers so I can fund development and you win the first one for free. :)) At this moment, my very fertile mind is exploring just how to do it. But, I've alway loved a challenge and I may have just found one. Thorium is not a rare element, it is in good

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Michael Esh via Mercedes
Are you taking pre-orders? Put me on the list. > On Jun 25, 2022, at 3:33 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have another point of view on the future of EV's and available > electricity. > My view is to design and produce a desk top size Thorium reactor which > would be scalable in

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Is 0.17 Cd possible in a production sedan? That's almost 10% cleaner than the > C111-III. CD is a dimensionless number, and cannot be directly compared among vehicles. You also need to multiply by frontal area. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I have another point of view on the future of EV's and available electricity. My view is to design and produce a desk top size Thorium reactor which would be scalable in size to power EV's including heavy haul trucks and construction equipment. A ball of Thorium, correctly managed, the size of a

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Grid upgrades in the '60s were easy compared to today. Need a new power plant? Buy the land and build it. Today it will take a decade just to get the permits. On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > We'll need more capacity. A friend is an HVAC guy and says he's got magazine >

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We'll need more capacity. A friend is an HVAC guy and says he's got magazine articles from the 60's decrying whole house AC as "impossible for the grid to support". Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 2:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: It will be

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've nudged up to 650 in my Jetta TDI, I've read of people doing 800 but I bet it's work... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 3:03 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: On 2022-06-25 11:57, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Like it or not, the future is coming, and it's

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-06-25 14:04, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: It will be interesting to see how the future works when some areas are already struggling to meet today's electrical demand without rolling blackouts. If people would charge at home and schedule appropriately, we could keep more baseline

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-06-25 11:57, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Like it or not, the future is coming, and it's change --- That would not be possible in my 300SD, and very unlikely in my 190D. And 200m of elevation drop over a 1200km trip is not cheating, especially when it's probably upwind. The battery is

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Aside from the pollution caused by making the batteries, I think the real > solution is a plug in hybrid with a small Diesel engine. I wonder if such a > thing exists anywhere in the world. The _real_ solution is an optimized turbine design. Small, no cooling system, one moving part. Single

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Aside from the pollution caused by making the batteries, I think the real solution is a plug in hybrid with a small Diesel engine. I wonder if such a thing exists anywhere in the world. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > It will be

Re: [MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
It will be interesting to see how the future works when some areas are already struggling to meet today's electrical demand without rolling blackouts. On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, at 11:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Like it or not, the future is coming, and it's change --- > >

[MBZ] An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging

2022-06-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Like it or not, the future is coming, and it's change --- https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/an-electric-mercedes-benz-drove-747-miles-without-recharging-nearly-twice-the-range-of-tesla-s-model-s/ar-AAYRnCT -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to