They offer that too.
For somebody in a big city, like in China, it probably makes sense. Have a
service where you can essentially borrow a car any time you need without the
challenge of actually having to own/maintain/park it yourself.
-Curt
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:25:02 AM EST,
> The battery is a subscription, you don't own the battery anymore.
Cars are headed that way as well, I suspect.
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Go back and watch the video I posted, it's being done today...
The battery is a subscription, you don't own the battery anymore. Its expensive
of course but if you wanted that convenience...
-Curt
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 08:25:21 AM EST, mitch--- via Mercedes
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> The only thing I can think of is hoist the car and stuff a battery in from
> the bottom.
Like a Tesla S? Supposedly a 90-second operation.
-- Jim
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On 2023-12-11 18:45, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Not practical for EVs currently in the US you mean...
The only thing I can think of is hoist the car and stuff a battery in
from the bottom.
It'd still increase the overall weight of the vehicle noticeably. Both
from not having the lowest
Not practical for EVs currently in the US you mean...
-Curt
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 05:07:29 PM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
wrote:
That would certainly be the way to go, but considering the bulk and location of
most batteries, short of a major re-engineering, it’s not
That would certainly be the way to go, but considering the bulk and location of
most batteries, short of a major re-engineering, it’s not practical on current
EVs. Someone with some serious design engineering chops should have taken this
on already, I would think.
-D
> On Dec 11, 2023, at
I think eventually battery swaps will be widespread. Way better even than
"rapid" charging stations, which take 30 minutes at best.
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 4:28 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> AFAIK they're 18650 cells and can in fact be replaced. Its not
AFAIK they're 18650 cells and can in fact be replaced. Its not something an
idiot like me can do but there are those who do it...
Speaking of automotive battery swaps this showed up in my email today:
https://youtu.be/hNZy603as5w?si=EozpouBKmjw7FxmY
-Curt
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at
I recall seeing people replacing individual cells on Prius batteries in the
past. It looked tedious and time-consuming to troubleshoot, but ultimately a
far less expensive venture if it’s just a few cells…
-D
> On Dec 11, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I'm
Saturday Night Live's commercial parody of the Mercedes "AA" class is
very amusing. But if the 18650 cells in an EV _could_ be treated like in
that commercial, EV's could be both practical and efficient over the long haul.
-- Jim
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Battery technology is still continuing to improve. I agree it's still
experiemental, even though there are technologies in mass production, it's
still "early adopter" stuff in reality. I personally plan to wait at least
another 5 years or so before seriously considering an EV for any purpose.
I'm thinking that EV batteries need to be modules not some monolithic
thing, a cell module goes bad, pop another one like a H8 in and be on
your way. They are just a big pack of like bigger D cells anyway, all
linked together, so it's not like one or some couldn't be replaced.
--FT
On
This all supports what I have been saying all along. EVs are essentially
experimental at this point in time. The "in" people who need to be seen
in the latest trendy things want one but most of us think they will be
more trouble than they are worth. We are correct, but, time may well
change
But essentially, the life of the battery is the life of the vehicle. It's not
cost-effective to replace them.
Especially as cars are not engineered for easy battery replacement. In fact the
opposite, the battery is designed to be part of the structure of the car.
If an EV battery has a life of
Yikes. I meant RADICALLY underestimated.
I need a drink.
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 12:02 PM Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:
> Anecdotal evidence suggests that EV battery life has been racially
> UNDERestimated.
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:48 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Anecdotal evidence suggests that EV battery life has been racially
UNDERestimated.
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:48 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Didn't watch this but if the issue was that the battery pack needed to be
> replaced, that basically totals the car on
Exactly the point. Out of warranty so new battery was many $ks
--FT
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> On Dec 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Didn't watch this but if the issue was that the battery pack needed to be
> replaced, that basically totals the car on an EV unless it's
Didn't watch this but if the issue was that the battery pack needed to be
replaced, that basically totals the car on an EV unless it's under warranty.
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, at 10:05, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Another reason to not drive an EV?
>
> It still comes back to a PPI and due
Another reason to not drive an EV?
It still comes back to a PPI and due diligence.
-D
> On Dec 11, 2023, at 9:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEV1nNWmBKg
>
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