> On November 2, 2017 at 5:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Terrible accident. Hard to imagine just 3 fatalities.
At least 3. Still trying to find and identify remains.
If you were injured and couldn't run, you're still in there somewhere.
Mitch.
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Wow, that is awful.
Were any "words associated with terrorism" heard prior to the event?
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On 11/2/17 5:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Don't know if the US news picks up stuff from Canada.
This was ugly
RB
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/11/01/multiple-people-dead-follo
Terrible accident. Hard to imagine just 3 fatalities.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> Don't know if the US news picks up stuff from Canada.
>
> This was ugly
>
> RB
>
>
> https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/11/01/multiple-people-
> d
Don't know if the US news picks up stuff from Canada.
This was ugly
RB
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/11/01/multiple-people-dead-following-collision-explosion-on-highway-400.html
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who was looking for crash info? This is not really data, just some
actual crashes in the lab
https://gizmodo.com/why-spacex-wont-be-landing-its-rocket-tonight-1795224269
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> Cc: "M. Mitchell Marmel"
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crash picture. Ju
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Howcome the airbag didn't deploy? ;)
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Howcome the airbag didn't deploy? ;)
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Oh the humanity!
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Cc: Michael Esh
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 7:54 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Crash picture. Just for laughs if it gets through.
Michael Esh
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Subject: [MBZ] Crash picture. Just for laughs if it gets through.
Not normally, no.
On Friday, July 10, 2015, Tim Crone via Mercedes
wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> > http://images.jaimekop.com/2004_11_29_W126_COMAND/IMG_0543.JPG
>
> You park your automatics in neutral?
>
> Best,
> Tim
>
>
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
wrote:
> http://images.jaimekop.com/2004_11_29_W126_COMAND/IMG_0543.JPG
You park your automatics in neutral?
Best,
Tim
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That is just wrong
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> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Sure, why not? How much money and engineering friends do you have?
>
> W211 technology works just fine in a W126, if you know the right people.
> http://images.jaimekop.com/2004_1
Sure, why not? How much money and engineering friends do you have?
W211 technology works just fine in a W126, if you know the right people.
http://images.jaimekop.com/2004_11_29_W126_COMAND/IMG_0543.JPG
Jaime
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wro
No.
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'95 E300
On July 8, 2015 5:04:32 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
wrote:
>Do you think I could retrofit any of this to one of the 84 SDs?
>
>http://jalopnik.com/how-the-new-mercedes-benz-e-class-will-protect-your-ear-1716557168
>
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http://jalopnik.com/how-the-new-mercedes-benz-e-class-will-protect-your-ear-1716557168
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> ...seen this Mercedes crash test?
>
> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2011/6/8greenman.html
>
>
Didn't see one but this is my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKSPxQjPOm0&NR=1
RLE
>
>
>
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I love the NADA Classic Cars prices!! My 300TD wagons just doubled in
value. :)
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:35 AM, John Reames wrote:
> Make 'em use NADA classics; you will be surprised; average retail is 6750,
> high retail is 9000.
>
>
> http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1984/Mercedes-Benz
Make 'em use NADA classics; you will be surprised; average retail is 6750, high
retail is 9000.
http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars/1984/Mercedes-Benz/300D-T/4-Door-Sedan/Values
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On May 2, 2011, at 22:55, Allan Stre
Yes she did. And yes, yes I do. Actually, I don't' normally but for some
reason at the last renewal i added it back on.
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On May 02, 2011, at 10:32 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
Daughter rear ended a truck with the 84 300D. I anticipate the insurance will total it and come in with a low ball offer. It has 300,000 mile on it and is in very good condition, new paint and suspension parts and pieces. What is the best way to establish value?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
Mich
Thanks for the help.
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On May 02, 2011, at 10:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
Mike Esh writes:
> Daughter rear ended a truck with the 84 300D. I anticipate the
> insurance will total i
Thanks for the info. I will begin my home work today. And yes, I was happy
she was driving the Mercedes. No injuries.
Michael Esh
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On May 02, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com
tion costs can also be used as evidence with a car of this
> age.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Esh
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:30 PM
> To: o
7:30 PM
To: okie benz
Subject: [MBZ] Crash 300D
Daughter rear ended a truck with the 84 300D. I anticipate the insurance
will total it and come in with a low ball offer. It has 300,000 mile on it
and is in very good condition, new paint, suspension, rear end, half shafts,
various parts and pieces. W
Local ads for cars in similar condition. Insurance companies use classified
ads for older cars and will lowball you with prices from every junk car in
your area. Show them ads for similar cars and prove your point with photos
and receipts.
Mike
On May 2, 2011 10:29 PM, "Mike Esh" wrote:
> Daugh
Mike Esh writes:
> Daughter rear ended a truck with the 84 300D. I anticipate the
> insurance will total it and come in with a low ball offer. It has
> 300,000 mile on it and is in very good condition, new paint,
> suspension, rear end, half shafts, various parts and pieces. What is
> the best
Ouch! But I gather the 300D did its job and protected your daughter.
Best way to establish value is to find actual sales in the area ($)
you think it is worth.
Second best : It is also good to look at ads in the back of the Star
for high values. And autotrader, cars.com or fleabay for what K
Btw the insurance company does not care about new parts, those are required for
the to run
Sent from my iPhone
On May 2, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Mike Esh wrote:
> Daughter rear ended a truck with the 84 300D. I anticipate the insurance
> will total it and come in with a low ball offer. It has 30
So she rear ended somebody and it was her fault, right? you carry full coverage
on a 84 300d with 300k miles?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 2, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Mike Esh wrote:
> Daughter rear ended a truck with the 84 300D. I anticipate the insurance
> will total it and come in with a low ball
Daughter rear ended a truck with the 84 300D. I anticipate the insurance will
total it and come in with a low ball offer. It has 300,000 mile on it and is
in very good condition, new paint, suspension, rear end, half shafts, various
parts and pieces. What is the best way to establish value?
Notice how the trunk lid closed and stayed that way though -- can you hear
that typical Mercedes "thunk" when it closed?
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM, wrote:
> > ...YOW some serious face-plant on the steering wheel. Why did the trunk
> > lid fly open?..
> >
> BOTH shoulder harnesses failed t
> ...YOW some serious face-plant on the steering wheel. Why did the trunk
> lid fly open?..
>
BOTH shoulder harnesses failed to lock up.
The trunk lids often come open. Go to the Smart crash tests which will not
be an eye opener.
RLE
>
>
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I was up on a ladder one day, pretty high, screwing something in with a
big Milwaukee cordless drill, and the NiCd battery exploded. I thought
I had been shot, and just about blew out my ear it was so loud, and
scared the shit out of me (which was itself a bit scary 20ft up on a
ladder). The
John Reames wrote:
What was the source of fuel for the duff laptop batteries?
I thought they were LiPo, but the recall was for Li-ion:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09035.html
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Last time I dropped an old cellphone Li-ion battery in a bonfire, it made
one hell of a lithium fire, sounded like a small fire cracker going off when
it ruptured, then the burgendy-pink-purple for ~ 30 seconds, so it wans't
just the solvent flashing off.
Also, the 3V lithium primary cells (used f
What was the source of fuel for the duff laptop batteries?
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On Jul 29, 2010, at 18:10, Peter Frederick wrote:
> Lithium ion batteries do not contain more than a trace of free (burnable)
> lithium metal. The electrod
Lithium ion batteries do not contain more than a trace of free
(burnable) lithium metal. The electrode is an alloy of some sort
(details escape me at the moment, but it isn't flamable). However,
the ether used for the electrolyte if VERY flamable, hence the hot
fire. Lots of electricity
With Lithium based batteries, you had better not get in a serious wreck;
remember the Sony laptop fires? Overheated lithium batts that split.
Apparently the only extinguishing materials for a lithium fire is Copper dust
(10lbs Cu per 1lb of Li) and a graphite based substance called Lith-X, eith
My friend Jack, has driven Lincoln Town Cars for years. He currently has a new
burgundy colored one that is very
nice.
He sold his previous, sort of champagne colored one sometime last year to a
local fellow who stopped in to see him
this week. The one he sold last year was totalled a couple of
We used to say the 008Rs had so much grip, they could pull the frame off the
body in a corner. lol
Ed
300E
On 27 July 2010 20:54, OK Don wrote:
> Someone had Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on a Volvo 544 back in the
> '70s at a local autocross - went too fast iinto a corner and tipped it on
Yeah, you do want some roll oversteer to let you know when you are
getting into the danger zone.
W115 chassis cars are known to un-mount the outside front tire in
extreme cornering with no warning at all -- rear anti-roll bar is too
stiff. It's lighter in the W123 and later chassis designs
Someone had Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on a Volvo 544 back in the
'70s at a local autocross - went too fast iinto a corner and tipped it on
its side.
While I do agree autocross is a great way to learn, as are DE events at a
> track, I would ban really sticky tires, in all but the most expe
I used my street tires (bridgestone something-or-other-that-really-sucked, then
Michelin primacy's)...
I'm impressed with the primacy tires!
I've gotten to the point where I just do what's needed when some
eye-dee-ten-tee that isn't paying attention attempts to invoke evolution
(either mine or
Or my favorite MB ad from the 70's -- a W115 with a 20 ton static load sitting
of the roof -- the suspension is crushed, but the doors open and close!
Peter
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Autocross is a great way to find the limits of a car, and yours, in a safe
environment. Most are amazed just how fast you get the average car to turn,
and stop. Most people who crash into the back of things, often have quite a
bit of braking capability left in the car, as they plow into the other
Autocross helps too; you learn where the handling limits are, what plasticity
they have, and how to get it back within those limits when they are exceeded...
So it becomes almost instinctive.
The benzes seem to have a nice bit of plasticity in the limits, as compared to
a s2000 which has very e
e these drivers
> get into accidents with someone other than me.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:55 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
&
As long as you keep them sunny-side up. When they go over hard, it takes a
couple of feet off the top. Ditto for minivans. Iirc 1/3 of all single
vehicle accidents in a SUV or minivan have a fatality.
Compare this to the old ad photo of a c-class (w201?) sized Benz sitting on
some rigging wh
ourse but it did for me) to make you more aware of how exposed
> you are on the road and helps to get you driving more defensively.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:58:32 -0700
> From: "Greg Fiorentino"
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
&
Curt Raymond wrote:
I have a theory that as part of driver training everybody should have mandatory
motorcycle training.
I first read about defensive driving in the form of 'pretend the other guy tried
to kill you, where will you go' in Cycle or Cycle World in the 1970s.
I used to take it t
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:58:32 -0700
From: "Greg Fiorentino"
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
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I too use Wilton&
Drive any car off a cliff. Yeah. Crumple zones, airbags, anti-sway, trac
control, gps, onstar, none of it helps you much there.
It boils down to how alert and in control the driver is, the skill level,
and the attention to detail when it comes to upkeep and maintence.
Walt, who felt safer in a 37
gt;
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] crash safety
>
> I try to improve my chances by tr
with someone other than me.
Greg
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I try to improve my chances by trying not to
Aw, the old cars, really old cars...I drove two Chevy Corvairs while in
college. They were really coffins on wheels (like the Miata), but they were so
much fun to drive. I don't think Ralph Nadar ever drove one or he wouldn't have
been so hard on them. I got parts from parts yards and saw how th
Ed wrote:
> The reality is, if you climb into
> a car, with a bit of fear of it, you may just drive it with a bit more
> respect, and pay closer attention to the surrounds you're driving in.
I agree - fwiw.
mao
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I tend to take such stats with a grain of salt. What stats often fail to
include, are the demographic group that tends to buy such vehicles. Is it
possible that part of the larger number of injuries to those inside the
vehicle, is the direct result these vehicles are often purchased to haul
aroun
My dad taught me to drive into a mud hole in 2wd so you could back out in 4wd
if you had to.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:21:03 -0400
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I agree. Modern
No, SUVs are the least safe vehicles because they have the most
injuries/fatalities PER ACCIDENT, both in out outside the vehicle,
than any other vehicles. Chey Suburbans lead the bottom of the pack.
Peter
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Physics will win every time.
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Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] crash safety
That's the way to use it. Many view the added cushion as addition
"operationa
That's the way to use it. Many view the added cushion as addition
"operational range". They use up all the built in safety margin.
People do the same in sports cars all the time, with ABS and traction
control. The aids make them look better than they often are, and rather
than backing off, they
That's why SUVs are often the most unsafe vehicles, because most drive them
like cars, which they are not.
I try to adapt my driving style, with respect to the vehicle I'm driving.
I'm sure the point you're making is, you apply the same amount of safe
driving practice to all the vehicles you drive
I think life is about balance. I don't suppose you logged most of those
miles in a '57, and more than most of us are not using '57s for daily
transport today. I have been hit at pretty low speeds, in horrendously
flimsy cars. Most accidents do happen at lower speeds. As we all know,
impact forc
That's that saying about 4 wheel drives? "They'll just get you stuck
further, and deeper from home".
I do not want full-time 4WD/AWD. I leave the truck in 2WD
until I get stuck, or when it's extremely icy/slippery, then
I put it in 4WD to get back to 2WD territory.
-- Jim
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Yes, but SUVs are the LEAST safe vehicles, and my driving has not
changed on whit from when I was driving a VW bug.
Peter
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Problem is, this is exactly the GM line for decades on why they
didn't have any responsibility to build safer cars.
I've driven somewhere around half a million mile with one accident
that was not my fault (someone else blew a traffic light and I
couldn't see him coming). All the defensive
I agree. Modern safety features often give those who make mistakes a second
chance. But Darwin usually has a plan for those who don't learn from their
mistakes. And it's usually quite spectacular, to prove his point to all
those who are watching, that he almost always wins in the end. hee hee.
; driving "with" 'em on the freeway whenever possible - avoid the "pack."
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "E M"
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ]
E M writes:
> There is an argument that can also be made, that many of the current
> cars lull you into a false sense of security. The reality is, if you
> climb into a car, with a bit of fear of it, you may just drive it with
> a bit more respect, and pay closer attention to the surrounds you'r
ground by trying to stay away from
it; when driving, I like to avoid contact with another vehicle by not
driving "with" 'em on the freeway whenever possible - avoid the "pack."
Wilton
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From: "E M"
To: "Mercedes Discussi
The fact you refer to it as "a car you won't get killed in", leads me
believe you have already established a false sense of security with your
chosen car.
It's nice to strive towards building safer cars, which I'm all for. If you
think there is such a thing as car you can't get killed in, or mang
EM:
Watch that video of the Biscayne and the Impala. You may change your
mind.
Having crash tested my Benz (quite inadvertantly, mind you, not on
purpose), I find the suggestion that a 1950's Detroit slug is a
viable option to be laughable.
Hardly a false sense of security, driving a c
Sorry, but there are no such deals in life. You can try to put the odds in
your favour. All things being equal (which they never are by the way), a
newer car has more safety features built into it, but they still allow
people to mangle themselves, and get killed.
New or old, cars respond to what
Yes, that was the episode. Not sure of the official model designation. I
just used the W124 to denote vintage of car.
Ed
300E
On 25 July 2010 11:46, Mitch Haley wrote:
> E M wrote:
>
>> I think TopGear did a bit on destroying an old W124 wagon too. They
>> subjected it to different kind of p
E M wrote:
I think TopGear did a bit on destroying an old W124 wagon too. They
subjected it to different kind of punishment. Seemed to hold up well for an
old banger.
You mean Vicki and the hand grenade?
A wagon would be an S124, wouldn't it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQSLwcUrPXM
http:/
I would be happy to drive a non-modern car if you can make absolutely
positively sure that I won't be severely injured and permanently
incapacitated in an accident and that my dependents are taken care of
it I am.
The though of being mangled in a car accident does NOT excite me, in
any wa
ube to see
> their crash of a new Renault vs an old "safe" Volvo...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:00:40 EDT
> From: relng...@aol.com
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] crash safety
> Message-ID: <292f7.2147d451.397cd...@aol.com>
> Con
I'm not a big fan of "Fifth Gear" but its worth going on Youtube to see their
crash of a new Renault vs an old "safe" Volvo...
-Curt
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:00:40 EDT
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] crash safety
Message-ID: <292
Peter wrote:
> I've seen that one, scary. Makes me glad I drive a modern car.
Yeah.
Eliminate any hazard.
Eliminate any danger.
Well planned life of luxury with zero complications or chance of
complication sounds... boring.
No thanks.
mao
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I've seen that one, scary. Makes me glad I drive a modern car.
Peter
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.Tell me about that old rusty MB and a 2005 MB.
> I wonder if there is a way to do that type of filmed crash test report.
> That might be interesting, although, I doubt if they have cut back on
> their infamous crush zones...
>
Instead of all this whistling in the dark about how safe the old c
> What ever it is, we did verify that it's NOT a Smart Car ---..
>
And the sugar cane truck head-on (with a VW something) was nothing like
this picture.
RLE
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> I've also noticed that Benz never rates well in the crash
> testing, usually because they don't crash one...
>
All models have been crashed by TUV in Germany and the results published.
The Insurance Institute also crashes them and the W204 C-Class got a top
rating from them. Go to their w
I just finished watching it, the 2005 version. It's not a terribly
uplifting movie, but I liked it even moreso because of that. But then,
the 1996 version wasn't uplifting either, and both dealt with car
crashes. I like the first one though because it was filmed in my
stomping grounds, and Holly Hu
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