Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread Steve MacSween
someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hollywood plastic surgeons must have buckets of renderable fat. Wow. You mean I can run my 240d off a tankful of Joan Rivers? (SHUDDER) Mac I dunno what dat is, but it AIN'T NO BIODIESEL, DUDE

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread redghost
Hollywood plastic surgeons must have buckets of renderable fat. And some fellow will get the idea for "Biodiesel of the Stars" from it On Monday, August 22, 2005, at 06:57 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: The cheaper the bacon, the greater the output of grease!! On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAI

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread redghost
It's the feathers. Damn feathers make everything stink. Probably operator error of failure to RTFM. WA state ferry system suspended their trial of BioD. Claimed it clogged the filters.Ran 148k gallons through the ship, plugged filters. Then stopped. Ran D2 for a bit. Went back to Bio

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread Don & Teresa Merriman
99% of the lawyers give the rest a bad name. On 8/22/05, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At least YOU felt good about yourself. Well done! > > On 8/20/05, BenzBarn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I once had a bumper sticker that read: > > > > '' Nuke the gay, unborn, baby whales

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread andrew strasfogel
At least YOU felt good about yourself. Well done! On 8/20/05, BenzBarn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I once had a bumper sticker that read: > > '' Nuke the gay, unborn, baby whales '' > > > Not sure why it upset so many activists > > >

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread andrew strasfogel
The cheaper the bacon, the greater the output of grease!! On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LT Don wrote: > > $1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually > > cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it "my burden" for > > the Chris Project.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread Christopher McCann
Right, but I think they have hit some snags...which, hopefully, will be worked out. THen I can give them my bacon grease :-) Christopher --- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Article in Discover Mag. two years ago claims it > puts out #2, and able > to refine up to petrol of low octane. Th

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-22 Thread Christopher McCann
Actually, I did, but decided to keep the 240 engine in the car and experiment that way...real driving conditions. I would not run any other diesel engine (300SD, generator, etc) on anything but D2. Experiments are limited to the 240. Also, seems that it's alot of work to create a frame for the 240

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Don & Teresa Merriman
Save the whales. Collect one of each. On 8/20/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David Brodbeck wrote: > > > > Yeah, but Japanese and Norwegian sailors would always be trying to embed > > harpoons in your hood. > > And a watch repairman would steal your car so he could sell the cont

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Mitch Haley
David Brodbeck wrote: > > Yeah, but Japanese and Norwegian sailors would always be trying to embed > harpoons in your hood. And a watch repairman would steal your car so he could sell the contents of the fuel tank by the ounce and retire on the proceeds. They can't get sperm oil any more, and I'v

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread David Brodbeck
redghost wrote: > It would be same as lamp oil of old. No way it would smoke, and of > course it would make the car faster. You ever see how fast a whale > goes? May even allow the car to convert to amphibious mode like a Bond > car. Then you can get from Baja to AK without using up the ti

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread redghost
It would be same as lamp oil of old. No way it would smoke, and of course it would make the car faster. You ever see how fast a whale goes? May even allow the car to convert to amphibious mode like a Bond car. Then you can get from Baja to AK without using up the tires On Friday, August

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread BenzBarn
I once had a bumper sticker that read: '' Nuke the gay, unborn, baby whales '' Not sure why it upset so many activists

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas
Maybe I'll get some of that stuff I get emails for, and mix it with the sperm whale oil, and the car will be much more powerful? --R redghost wrote: Right or Sperm? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread redghost
Article in Discover Mag. two years ago claims it puts out #2, and able to refine up to petrol of low octane. Think best use was to get carbon black out of all the junk put in. the plant is not supposed to stink. The whole process makes it all clean according to marketing folks On Friday, A

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Looked at a diesel generator tonight too...screw the > grid. You know people are running HOME fuel oil > furnaces on veggie oil (but probably not pig fat or > gear lube)...endless possibilities Why? You've got an OM616. You could have a bacon fat diesel generator! LoL.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread redghost
Right or Sperm? On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine lubricant, and burns with no soot. --R ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbp

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-20 Thread redghost
Chris!!! You have to get some baby seal oil for the car! I understand it has incredible lubricity and will make your IP squeaking clean when hit with a club. If you have a hard time getting the seal oil, maybe the whale oil (available from your local First Nations store) will be of a high e

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread redghost
Yup! Gump has to get a fresh batch of M1 added to her IP when there is too much #2 in there. On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 02:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: Macs No need for the kevlar from here  A correction to the quote below... IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-20 Thread OK Don
Now remember, you can't have too many measuring tools -- always have to have these sorts of things on hand! Now you've got me started - why am I sending oil samples off to be analyzed? I got A's in qualitative analysis. I have forgotten 90% of it in the last 35 years, but it sure was fun. On 8/18/

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
Answerd my own question: "As long as TBN is above 0.5 there is no need to change SynLube™, and even if TBN becomes NEGATIVE (TAN) then only small addition of 4 to 8 oz of TBN additive that is available from SynLube,Inc. will drastically increase TBN readings (sometimes OVER 10). TBN is generally

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
To frighten y'all even more, after trashing the 240D (2 to 1 odds in the next two months), I plan on running a 560 SEL on gasogen, building a waste oil heater (http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html#mwoh) and making a biogas digester to fuel my gas log. Looked at

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
Whateverthanol - I like it, but not using any alcohol, although if I drink enough Boulevard Wheat Beer tonight, I might try that :-) Eco-coal - Dr. Rudy Diesel did that. Didn't work too well (idiot)...then he tried "benzine" and blew up half his shop (idiot), then tried peanut oil and amazed the 1

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
keeping a close eye on the fuel strainer and both filters. When the IP croaks, you'll be the first to know. Christopher --- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they > wouldnt get much. Keep > > on posting your res

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
thought of visiting the place. It was supposed to put out oil at $15/barrel...right now it's costing $80/barrel and the plant stinks so bad that the neighbors are not happy. Warren Buffett's son is a big investor in it. All I know. I thought it was a lower grade than #2... Christopher --- redghos

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
Marshall, Thank you for explaining the problem with the high sulfur content of gear lube. I guess that's why the new stuff smells almost as bad as the used stuff. I can see why this is a problem. Perhaps the alkalinity of the very large amount of motor oil (proportiionally) in the mix (of the oil

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread David Brodbeck
As usual, the Onion lends some perspective: http://www.onion.com/infograph/index.php?issue=4133 The bottom bullet point makes me think of our friend Christopher.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-20 Thread David Brodbeck
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep > on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine > up sooner or later. I think he'll just ruin his injector pump. Actually, it's more likely he'll clog up the fuel strain

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread redghost
The Butterball Turkey plant some place in MO is putting out #2 type fuel for internal vehicle use from the offal. The process is thermal depolymerization and the stuff coming out the end is #2 (must be bio of a sort). Would the thermal part of it have rid the feed stock of water and other cru

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
wrote: > ROTFLMAO > > Royce Engler > 1985 300TD Turbo 265K > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Rich Thomas > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM > To: Mercedes mailing list > Su

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Experiments

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
Thanks for the encouragement, Bill. Don't really think this is cutting edge, but would like to substantiate or disprove all the "I added horse piss to my benz for 20 years and it worked just fine" stories. Thanks, Christopher --- Bill Aston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would imagine that the

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-20 Thread Royce Engler
ROTFLMAO Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Christopher McCann
Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:12:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease > and OLD gear lube > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type:

[MBZ] Fuel Experiments

2005-08-20 Thread Bill Aston
I would imagine that there will be critics of your lab procedures even after you succeed in turning the engineering world on its ear. Please do continue, let us know how things are going, and then consider publishing in a learned journal. I believe that Henry Ford started with such basic mate

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Curt Raymond
quite salty (thats what makes it tasty) and as such is definately corrosive. -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Mitch Haley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One of the few things the French have done > recently that's worth admiring is sinking Rainbow Warrior. As recently as 241 months ago, eh? http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Childrens/NZDisasters/RainbowWarrior.asp

[MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread meadedillon
Chris, Please keep us informed. Steve's reactions are fun to read!!! LT Don, Greenpeace secretly wants ships to accidently kill whales so they can keep banging their luddite drum. One of the few things the French have done recently that's worth admiring is sinking Rainbow Warrior. ACLU ha

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Im not going to get sued, and even if I did they wouldnt get much. Keep on posting your results. Although I will say you will blow your engine up sooner or later. I would like to start a pool on this, i give it 2 months. Christopher McCann wrote: Dear Steve, No need for the Kevlar suit.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Marshall Booth
Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put it in the

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
you are correct macswine. Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of > the fuel. The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. > > That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a criti

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Even if this 240D was rough body wise, the engine is at least worth not abusing. It may run OK for a while, but one day it will all the sudden loose compresson in 1 or more holes because its carboned up or worse. Mitch Haley wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on th

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Marshall Booth
LT Don wrote: $1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it "my burden" for the Chris Project. If I could get a gallon for $1.59 there MIGHT be an argument to be made, but I doubt that $1.59 would generate even a qt o

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
hey chris, thanks for the package, it arrived. Christopher McCann wrote: I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-20 Thread LT Don
Greenpeace!!!1 On 8/19/05, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine > lubricant, and burns with no soot. > > --R > > > > > > > > ___ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Rich Thomas
You think whale oil would work in the Benz? It is a very fine lubricant, and burns with no soot. --R

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread LT Don
$1.59 on sale at Fareway in Iowa. Not the grease -- ya gotta actually cook and eat the stuff to get the grease. I call it "my burden" for the Chris Project. On 8/19/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LT Don wrote: > > I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too mu

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Marshall Booth
LT Don wrote: I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much. I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all costs. And has anybody checked out what bacon fat costs per gallon for pretty poor fuel?? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who does

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-19 Thread LT Don
Now don't start knocking ACLU. And don't EVEN think about putting in a Greenpeace slam!

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-19 Thread Rich Thomas
Does it smell good when you drive it? From the bacon not the gear lube (that stuff smells foul even when new, burned probably worse). I am extremely concerned however that you might be inadvertantly exposing devout Jews, Muslims, vegans, PETA activists and perhaps some erudite Hollywood actor

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!)

2005-08-19 Thread Christopher McCann
Dear Steve, No need for the Kevlar suit. I appreciate your comments. 1. First your concern about people taking what is said casually as if it were gospel. I make a point, more than anyone else on this list, of confessing my newbie-ness and general ignorance. I hope nobody reads one of my posts an

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of > the fuel.  The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. > > That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bosch pumps as > it is in rotary injection pumps that use d

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Mac, Forgot to sign off. Chuck Phoenix, AZ 1980 300SD On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: Macs No need for the kevlar from here A correction to the quote below... IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of the fuel. The p

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Macs No need for the kevlar from here A correction to the quote below... IIRC the Bosch injection pump does not rely on the lubrication qualities of the fuel. The pumps in our cars use motor oil for lubrication. That's why the reduction of sulfur is not a critical factor in Bo

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Bucks2
So all the dinosaurs were skinny? Crude oil is lean muscle mass? I'm getting confused again. Ken In a message dated 8/19/2005 1:47:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease a

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1. what is so different about gear lube than other > oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. Nothing, inherently, that I am aware of, makes it BAD. Though I have never heard of anyone running gear oil through their diesel fuel system. Also, it obviously has diffe

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Christopher McCann
:-) If I keep these grease posts up, you might use them to get me committed to your institution! Christopher --- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are overlooking the cholestoral issues here. Try > cutting it with > Lipitor perhaps. > > On 8/19/05, Christopher McCann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread LT Don
You are overlooking the cholestoral issues here. Try cutting it with Lipitor perhaps. On 8/19/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. bacon grease - filtered, simply, but hardly > refined. It blends perfectly fine with diesel, so why > should it cause a problem in the injection

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Christopher McCann
Yes, I was serious. Yes, it's a $500 rust bucket (that runs well, for the time being anyway). So: 1. what is so different about gear lube than other oils - motor, ATF, etc? that makes it so bad. You mention sulfur additive...is that going to cause a mechanical problem, or simply violate Ultra-low

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread LT Don
And this, boys and girls, is why he was smart enough to buy a "beater" Benz diesel for this project rather than experimenting on his S-Class diesel. On 8/19/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christopher McCann wrote: > > > > I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last > > nigght -

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Christopher McCann wrote: > > I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last > nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled > disgusting. So you put sulphur additive gear oil, likely mixed with water if it's that color, in your fuel? With bacon skillet drippings?

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread LT Don
No, I think he is as serious as an injector heart attack (which isn't a bad analogy). On 8/19/05, Steve MacSween > > OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch > plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. -- If we couldn't laugh we would

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Steve MacSween
someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all > costs. OMG, I thought that was a joke. Unrefined animal fat? Through a Bosch plunger injection pump? Not in this lifetime, even strained do death. MAC

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread LT Don
I think bacon grease is pushing the envelope of sanity a bit too much. I seem to remember reading that animal fats were to be avoided at all costs.

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments...bacon grease and OLD gear lube

2005-08-19 Thread Christopher McCann
I drained my differential (on the AKP-Wagen) last nigght - looked like thick chocolate milk abd smelled disgusting. Filtered it and dumped it in the tank. Also filtered a mix of used VO and bacon grease. I took a 50/50 mix of the VO-bacon grease and D2 and put it in the freezer. It gelled. Added th

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-19 Thread LT Don
Chris, I'd suggest an email to Virginia Tech. LOTS of guys down there (such as my son was) looking for MS projects. On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for > very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U > of MO @ KC)..

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread TimothyPilgrim
Go to the Chem department first. That's where you'll find a GC/MS. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for > very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U > of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental >

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread Christopher McCann
that's a great idea. There is plenty of "room" for very serious research in this field. trip to UMKC (U of MO @ KC)...chemistry...environmental sciences...engineering... CM --- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A university lab might do it for free and chalk it > up to "research". > Yo

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread TimothyPilgrim
A university lab might do it for free and chalk it up to "research". You could even side up with a grad student and convince them it's thesis material... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to > phone th

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread Christopher McCann
that makes sense for forensic work. Wouldn't hurt to phone the KCPD lab and ask if they do outside jobs too. If university labs do it for a little cash, why not the cops? CM --- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, a forensic lab will do its work in-house. > There's a little thing > c

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread Christopher McCann
gas chromatography services - that was easy. http://fp.uni.edu/rrttc/mts/services.asp http://fp.uni.edu/rrttc/mts/GasChromatography.asp http://www.chem.fsu.edu/facilities/fa_sl_bass.asp#services and a bunch of others...wonder what they charge. :-/ Will keep y'all updated. CM --- Christopher Mc

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread TimothyPilgrim
No, a forensic lab will do its work in-house. There's a little thing called continuity or chain-of-custody that prevents outsourcing. Some labs will do civilian work, but at a fee. It might be affordable, might not. Depends on what lab it is, if they'll do it at all. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/0

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread Christopher McCann
LOL - we had one donated to us in High School (I was in the science club) and we could never get it to work...don't really want to go that route. Would rather find a service. gonna google it now. CM --- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and gas > chr

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread Christopher McCann
I was thinking of calling a forensic lab and asking if they send samples out to be tested. Will try to find a service. CM --- TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any half decent forensic lab will have a GS/MS that > would fit the > bill. How you go about getting use of it may require > s

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread TimothyPilgrim
Any half decent forensic lab will have a GS/MS that would fit the bill. How you go about getting use of it may require some undesirable steps on your part... :) Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mixed 1 part A-1 sauce (stuff from barrel > remanufactur

Re: [MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread OK Don
Start searching eBay for Mass specttometers and gas chromatagraphs -- > Wonder how much it would cost to have this stuff > identified with a spectrometer?... > > Pax, > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC

[MBZ] fuel experiments

2005-08-18 Thread Christopher McCann
mixed 1 part A-1 sauce (stuff from barrel remanufacturer - mostly motor oil and tranny oil, unused) with 1 part D2...blended perfectly. Then put that mix along with straight d2 in the freezer overnight...both were thicker by morning, but the a-1/d2 mix seemed a little more thicker...but if you meas