Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread kevin kraly
State Troopers are running around in Ford Exploders. They should be running around in TROOPERS! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Zoltan Finks
I wouldn't want to see those training videos. Brian On 12/18/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: State Troopers are running around in Ford Exploders. They should be running around in TROOPERS! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Ed Booher
On 12/16/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. A Crown Vic Police Interceptor is not really a performance car. It's A Crown Vic may not be, haven't driven

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Ed Booher
On 12/18/06, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Crown Vic may not be, haven't driven one, but I owned a 9C1 Caprice that would keep up with a Vette in the straights. Obviously the Vette Better pepper that it was a last model 90's Caprice and C4 90's Standard stock Vette. Not a Grand

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Ed Booher
On 12/17/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: what boxes were checked on the order form. The only way to be absolutely sure whether a car was ordered as a police package model is to look at the VIN. A true P71 will always have black corners around the license frame

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Zoltan Finks
Oh yeah, my wife went to IU. Bloomington looks like a fun place to live for relatively young folks like us. About the only place I'd personally want to live in IN (no offense). Living there would make the trip to go see her family (like we're doing Friday - DREAD) a much shorter trip. I have

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Zoltan Finks
And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. Brian David wrote: Here they all use surplus cop cars.

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. So you want them kept out of the hands of cops?

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. A Crown Vic Police Interceptor is not really a performance car. It's got basically the same engine as a V-8 Mustang and considerably more weight. 0-60 times are

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Chris Kueny
mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant) Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. A Crown Vic Police Interceptor

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Chris Kueny wrote: A visual cue to the police package is the dual exhaust. So there are some small hardware differences. Yeah, that's good for a small horsepower gain. It's also found on Crown Victorias with the trailer towing package. It's one of the few examples of a modern car with a

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/16/06 4:56 PM, David Brodbeck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve MacSween wrote: Now I see your comment on US cars and raise you by the experience of our local taxi fleets. For a long time the (verrry cheap) owners purchased whichever US car was cheapest to get at the time (mainly

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-17 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/16/06 2:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for Quebec salt, well I hear our Canadian brothers and sisters use fine wine and cheese in their salt mix. Huh. They've contracted out a lot of winter roads stuff here, so actually getting salt on your car some days is a

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Zoltan Finks
Oh yes, I know. My cronies and I, growing up, used to laugh at the performance of the cop cars and a few of us were fortunate enough to be able to honestly brag about outrunning them. (outrunning was the easy part, outcornering a bit more difficult, and of course, outrunning the Motorola or the

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Zoltan Finks
That's true. Another visual cue is the rear sway bar. Or maybe all full-sized American cars come with rear sway bars now. It used to be a real rarity. The size and profile of the tires is another indicator. And aluminum wheels are not often found on a cop car, nor are wheel-covers (as opposed to

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Zoltan Finks wrote: That's true. Another visual cue is the rear sway bar. Or maybe all full-sized American cars come with rear sway bars now. It used to be a real rarity. All Crown Vics after a certain year have a Watt's link to locate the rear axle.(Older ones have a Panhard rod.) Dunno

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Tom Hargrave
. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Brodbeck Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-16 Thread Curt Raymond
this, a 99 or 900 with a bad clutch is no big problem, its like $200-$300... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:58:31 -0600 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-16 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/15/06 12:43 PM, Tony Wirtel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where you at? Here in the Philadelphia area Chevettes had Flintstone brakes (i.e. rusted out floorpans) in 5-6 years. For the age, don't many rusted K-cars though- maybe they had galvanized metal? Listen, I dunno what you guys

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-16 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/15/06 12:33 PM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree somewhat. American made CARS are crap. Trucks are a different story. What are you basing this statement on? I agree that American cars needed to improve and they did - dramatically. Maintenance costs have dropped

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-16 Thread LarryT
://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-16 Thread ts
MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos on 12/15/06 12:43 PM, Tony Wirtel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where you at? Here in the Philadelphia area Chevettes had

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-16 Thread David Brodbeck
Steve MacSween wrote: Now I see your comment on US cars and raise you by the experience of our local taxi fleets. For a long time the (verrry cheap) owners purchased whichever US car was cheapest to get at the time (mainly Luminas and Malibus and Transport/Montana minivans). Here they all

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Curt Raymond
-0500 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I find the new ones at least as easy, if not more so than the old ones

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread E M
in the Minnesota cold. In three winters it always started, even on the three days my '72 220D wouldn't. Bob R - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos I

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Steve MacSween
on the three days my '72 220D wouldn't. Bob R - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos I disagree somewhat. American made CARS

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Tony Wirtel
VWs are off the list just because I don't get the attraction: everyone I know who has one, is always fixing some dumb sh*t or other. If you have a Chevette or a K-Car for sale, you can do really well around here. They were laughed at in the day, but now people want them back. That says

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Zoltan Finks
Now you're speaking my language! I hate being tied to a mechanic just as I'm tied to the plumber or the dentist. Bikes free me of that feeling. So does cutting my own hair. Take that Cost Cutters! $13 plus tip every few months - dont think so. Brian Who just took his two bike wheels into the

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Zoltan Finks
Makes me think of my current tranny situation in my Saab 900. I would probably burst a blood vessel or two if my wife were to drive the car. She is the typical type that plops down in the seat, slams the door, jams in and twists the key in one swift, forceful motion, drops it in gear before the

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread E M
I had a chevette (shove-it) as my friends called it. had it 10 years, salty winter and put about 120,000 kms on it. No mechanical problems at all, and hardly any rust. sold it to a friend who put another 150,000 kms on it, and didn't like the white colour, so painted it black, with a brush!!

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Trampas
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos There are actually a number of cars still on the roads (that is, speaking of the rust belt) that represent

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread andrew strasfogel
is not worth the driving... Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos There are actually a number of cars still

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Zoltan Finks wrote: Makes me think of my current tranny situation in my Saab 900. I'm having a battle between making the brakes last as long as possible by using the tranny more, and making the clutch last longer by using the brakes more. Fortunately for you, the clutch is almost as

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Zoltan Finks
Yeah, I've heard the clutch is quite easy, being right up front there. Does the radiator have to come out, or any radiator hoses or anything? I don't spend much time under the hood. Brian 84 Saab 900 On 12/15/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Makes me think of

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Zoltan Finks wrote: Yeah, I've heard the clutch is quite easy, being right up front there. Does the radiator have to come out, or any radiator hoses or anything? I don't spend much time under the hood. It's been over 15 years, so the memory is a bit fuzzy, but I think you can do it by

[MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-14 Thread Zoltan Finks
I've often wondered on the subject of procuring and owning the type of automobiles some of us favor (early to mid 80s European). What will it be like to try to find one 10 or 15 years from now? If we cannot find them in decent shape for a decent price, what will be our alternatives? To explain

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-14 Thread David Brodbeck
Zoltan Finks wrote: I've often wondered on the subject of procuring and owning the type of automobiles some of us favor (early to mid 80s European). What will it be like to try to find one 10 or 15 years from now? I think for the answer to that, you just have to look at the market in old

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-14 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 12/14/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that the particular type of auto that many of us value is prime for the buying now, and I'm just wondering what the landscape will look like ten years from now. There'll be a lot fewer '80s cars on the road and people will be

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-14 Thread Loren Faeth
Buy the riceburner hot cars and stash them away in a climate controlled garage. This includes ford Probe, which is really a mazda. At 01:34 PM 12/14/2006, you wrote: What I'm curious about is what cars from the current era people will be nostalgic about 20 years from now. Loren Faeth

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-14 Thread Christopher McCann
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Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

2006-12-14 Thread Levi Smith
://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:25 AM Subject: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos I've often wondered