Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:34:18 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > Thanks for the memory jog. I read that in one sitting. > > Free read with Prime. > >

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Commercial composting is a tough business, there will always be some smell since air is important to the process. If you just piled everything up and mixed in a bunch of wood chips there wouldn't be any smell but it needs to be turned periodically which releases the odor... -Curt On

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
In Indiana they were using the methane primarily for heat. However, they also captured it and would set up a supply for their standby generator, too. Because methane has such a lousy BTU content, like 500-600 BTU/CF, compared to natural gas (800-900 BTU/cf) and propane (1100 BTU/cf) you would

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
IIRC, Tina Turner had a hog digester to run her ThunderDome way back in the ’80’s. Must have learned that from before Peak Oil and Mad Maxx. Local County landfill became a methane harvesting operation almost 30 years ago when it was “de-comissioned”. Not sure it makes much power, but it is

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Indeed, I'm always amazed by the depth of knowledge here as well as the attention to detail... -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 2:37:42 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I'll drink to that. Randy On 22/08/2019 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > This forum

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Methane digester/recovery is old tech, as Curley just suggested. It has some inherent negatives, however: Low BTU content Requirement to “scrub” and dry it, as in its raw form it’s highly corrosive I can recall working on equipment around total confinement hog operations that did methane

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Sounds like another methane digester.  Nothing new there.  First one I saw in operation was 1983 on a hog farm. Of course you have to consider the sources:   Vermont pointy heads and some moron submitting to the AP. Actually, the Mother earph news hippies were probably building digesters in

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I'll drink to that. Randy On 22/08/2019 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This forum is proof that individualism is far from dead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
nClassics-Ayn-Rand-ebook/dp/B07Q7H32XG/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=anthem=1566487939=2941120011=digital-text=1-3 > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: August 21, 2019 2:28 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: dillonm...@gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: dillonm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas I think you nailed it Randy, most of the "solutions" to the perceived "problem" are from the third world. Seems to be the direction we are being forc

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
LOL Bring the vampires into the light. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Yep, exposure to sunlight and oxygen does wonders to improve stinky organic things, politicians included. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On August 21, 2019

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Yep, exposure to sunlight and oxygen does wonders to improve stinky organic things, politicians included. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On August 21, 2019 6:18:21 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >It only smells for a day or two. They spread manure on the field across >the road from my

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
It only smells for a day or two. They spread manure on the field across the road from my parents house. Usually it gets spread on a hot, humid day in the middle of the summer... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
That sort of methane is wicked corrosive. It's not a "set and forget" kind of setup, requires lots of maintenance and fiddling. My dad has worked on several.It also needs a bulk of feedstock to make any significant energy. That's why you tend to see them on cattle farms.The smell is, strong...

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
So long as you don't mind the stench as the manure is either composted or spread raw on fields next door... On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:53 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Fertilizer. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > > > On 21/08/2019 2:31 PM, Andrew

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Fertilizer. - Max Charleston SC > On 21/08/2019 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > SO what's a better thing to do with cow manure? > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
In response to Meade complaining that this is from the Third World and therefore beneath us... On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > ??? > > On 21/08/2019 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > SO what's a better thing to do with

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
??? On 21/08/2019 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: SO what's a better thing to do with cow manure? On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:28 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I think you nailed it Randy, most of the "solutions" to the perceived "problem" are from

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I recall reading an article in, I think, National Geographic, a number of years ago about bio-digesters in remote areas in places like India. I thought it a great idea and wondered why we don't do things like that here. It seemed a good solution to a number of problems. Essentially, dump all

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
SO what's a better thing to do with cow manure? On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:28 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think you nailed it Randy, most of the "solutions" to the perceived > "problem" are from the third world. Seems to be the direction we are being > forced

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I think you nailed it Randy, most of the "solutions" to the perceived "problem" are from the third world. Seems to be the direction we are being forced into. Ayn Rand's "Anthem" comes to mind. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 3:06 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Not exactly new. 3rd world countries have been using bio-digesters for a long time to make methane to heat with and cook with etc. I believe some farmers have been doing it on a bigger scale locally. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas

2019-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Manure and food scrap digester to make fuel for Vt. collegePublished: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 Construction is underway at a Vermont dairy farm on a system that will turn cow manure and food scraps into renewable natural gas to help Middlebury College meet its goal of getting 100% of its energy