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On Feb 3, 2010, at 0:13, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:47 -0500, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
I'll tell my grandkids how in my youth I'd buy
Peter wrote: My Parents have been toyota drivers since the had K cars in the
80s (enough to scare anyone). I find them to be reliable, uncomfortable,
boring and full of plastic parts that crack the first time something has to be
fixed. I'll stick with Volvo and Mercedes thanks.
My father and
Randy wrote: We have had a couple of Toyotas in the not too distant past. A 95
4Runner that is rusty and sitting on my garden yet and a 98 Avalon that was a
nice car in some respects but caused a fair amount of trouble. My wife now has
an 07 Honda Accord. I tried to get her to think about an
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook
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Randy wrote: We have had a couple of Toyotas
Tim wrote: We're the rebel holdouts, dieseling our way into cheapskate
history. I'll tell my grandkids how in my youth I'd buy cars and 'maintain' and
'repair' them and they'll look at me like I have two heads.
You know you are exactly right about that. I remember my grandfather always
Max wrote:
My wife loves her Infiniti I30, '96 with a five speed manual.
I could like that car - sounds, as you say, fun.
I am prejudiced toward 3pedal cars.
mao
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Donald wrote:
He could rebuild and fix all of these things and have a better product than
the plastic new one.
That, plus - he is not at the mercy of marketers of cheap junque.
Self sufficiency is not a bad character trait - but these days it is
seldom recognized.
Plus, we are an economic
*Toyota owners should stop driving cars affected by recall, take them
to dealers, says U.S. transportation secretary
I guess we won't be driving them to the dealer
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man
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Max wrote:
My wife loves her Infiniti I30, '96 with a five speed manual.
I
Max wrote:
In my opinion it is way too
fast for a teenage driver...
I'm hardly a teenage driver.
And, I could care less to drive fast.
I guess I had no idea that a modern luxury brand such as infiniti sold
cars with 3pedals.
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
If the vehicle is too complicated for the average
(minimally-trained/knowledgeable/capable) driver, then that says something
about the manufacturer as well as their customers.
This is a crucial point and
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
I guess I had no idea that a modern luxury brand such as infiniti sold
cars with 3pedals.
BMW offers all its cars with stick shifts in the USA as far as I know,
except for the Big Kahuna 7 series. Audi sells the smaller
You make some excellent points there. I am reminded of a secretary we
had once at this place I worked for awhile (on site at A Government
Agency), an older woman who was, uh, not too bright. Anyway, one day
she was talking about her new car her hubby had bought her, a new Jaguar
XJ, and how
U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said he misspoke today when he
said owners of recalled Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles should stop driving
them until the company fixes a defect causing sudden acceleration.
LaHood sought to clarify his remarks in comments to reporters after a
congressional
it for that
reason in the first place.
Randy
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You make
Living in the limelight, are we? Or subdivisions?
Fly By Night Dan
--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:13 AM
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:47 -0500, Tim
C bb...@crone.us
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I'll tell my grandkids how in my youth I'd buy cars
and 'maintain
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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:09 PM
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Most folks do not buy a car for the power or handling etc.They buy an
image - especially if it is a Jag
WILTONwrote:
As you may know, there's a certain image that I try to AVOID - there are
certain cars that I don't want to be seen in or near for fear that somebody
may think I like them. BTW, the car that I drive most is 23 years old, and
my other one is 19 years old. ;)
...hmmm
Yes, significantly.
Wilton
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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:01 PM
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WILTONwrote:
As you may know, there's a certain
I suppose my point is that state of the art cars are very complex today, and
lesser priced cars are catching up quickly. 10 years ago is a very long
time ago in technology. Its difficult to really understand unless you've
been behind the wheel of a high end lexus, BMW, etc while someone explains
Good points. They should have known better You, Snooks and me are
going after them. We'll be rolling in so much cash when we get done
that Obama and the IRS will have us on speed dial.
--R
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
I suppose my point is that state of the art cars are very complex today, and
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
The case of the 4 people that died in the lexus bothers me the most.
Electronic igniton and shifter meant that all the basic things you'd like to
do, switch off the engine or change gears, doesn't work. I'd also expect
that a very powerful car already traveling a high
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:43 -0500, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
The direction of heavy computerization is only a natural one for cars
and it will continue and improve. Overall, its a very good thing and
shouldn't be feared.
On the other hand
Have you noticed that a LOT of Toyota owners are pompous, self rightous b**bs
who are totally convinced that they
have done the intelligent thing because Consumer Reports told them it was best?
Many are teachers, and middle level government managers who couldn't change
their own mind without
Interesting -- on the NPR interview they had a guy from Consumer
Reports, and they referred to CR as the most authoritative recommender
for cars or some such. Listen here
http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1t=1islist=falseid=123251662m=123251866
At 3:30 he stumbles
R A Bennell wrote:
Have you noticed that a LOT of Toyota owners are pompous, self rightous b**bs
who are totally convinced that they
have done the intelligent thing because Consumer Reports told them it was best?
You ought to read the accumulated 'wisdom' at Fatwallet.com. All Toyota and
: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?
R A Bennell wrote:
Have you noticed that a LOT of Toyota owners are pompous, self rightous b**bs
who are totally convinced that they
have done the intelligent thing because Consumer Reports told them it was
best?
You ought to read the accumulated 'wisdom
PM
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R A Bennell wrote:
Have you noticed that a LOT of Toyota owners are pompous, self rightous
b**bs who are totally convinced that they
have done the intelligent thing because Consumer Reports told them
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Peter Hertzing
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My Parents have been toyota drivers since the had K cars in the 80s (enough
to scare anyone). I find them
It is fairly easy to turn off the engine in a running e300td at
highway speeds... It's a little more challenging to restart it and get
the tranny to go back in gear
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On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:27, Jaime Kopchinski
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote:
My Parents have been toyota drivers since the had K cars in the 80s (enough
to scare anyone). I find them to be reliable, uncomfortable, boring and
full of plastic parts that crack the first time something has to be
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:47 -0500, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
I'll tell my grandkids how in my youth I'd buy cars and 'maintain' and
'repair' them and they'll look at me like I have two heads. Or maybe
not, perhaps I'll have a harem of pristine W123s, W124s, and W126s
Or a Red Barchetta
So yesterday I hear NPR telling me the Toyota problem is 1) a carpet
jamming the accelerator pedal, 2) a fault with the accelerator pedal
mechanism, and 3) runaway unintended acceleration. Then they had this
clip of someone calling 911 and saying their Lexus was accelerating and
going too
Yea - Remember 60 mins about the uhaul women driver who couldn't get the
cruise control turned off and rammed a family in a minivan. Don't remember
the mortality, but she drove with the cruise stuck on forever - like 20
miles. It was uhauls fault she wrecked. Come on. If you can't trouble
to get Mama in a Benz
too...
-Max
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Yea - Remember
Sheeple The answers to the subject and the ending questions: Yes, Yes
Maybe it is Darwin at work?
--R
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Additional local info about that Lexus crash..it was a loaner car
and had a push button start/stop button. Driver pushed it once but car
didn't shut off. Wasn't told that he needed to depress the button for
2 or 3 seconds to activate. Some day they will invent a system whereby
the driver
Its clear that you are not considering anyone who is less techinically
competent than you are. Its also clear you haven't spent any time behind the
wheel of very modern automobiles.
Drive by wire isn't a new thing, as we all know. It was even used in later
W124s. When you get into electronic
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:28 PM
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Its clear that you are not considering anyone who is less
What was that old joke, If you happen to find yourself on a ferry to
Holland, with Pinto parked in front of you, and an Audi behind you, you know
you're screwed!! hee hee
Ed
300E
On 2 February 2010 11:33, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote:
So yesterday I hear NPR telling me
On the first point, you are probably correct. But that is denying the
problem and addresses the symptom.
On the second point, my newest vehicle is only 10 yr old, don't know if
that qualifies as modern or not, but it is not radically different
from a year old vehicle, or maybe I am missing
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