Some enterprising entrepreneur will be marketing Placebo pills that are "as
effective as Ivermectin at half the price."
On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 8:15 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Interesting to know. Thanks!
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Karl
Interesting to know. Thanks!
-D
> On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
> better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the hospital.
> This is a randomized controlled
Probability that treatment is better than placebo: 91%.
On 2022-10-27 23:06, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the
hospital.
This is a randomized controlled
In case anyone cares: The latest on ivermectin for covid; basically no
better than placebo in time to recovery for over 30yo outside the hospital.
This is a randomized controlled trial, which is pretty much the strongest
type of design for proof in a clinical trial:
Yes it is effective.
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> On Aug 21, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Due to quick progression (6 days from from ++ to -- test) I am convinced
> that Paxlovid is effective. Symptoms disappeared as well. I will be
> testing every few days to
Due to quick progression (6 days from from ++ to -- test) I am convinced
that Paxlovid is effective. Symptoms disappeared as well. I will be
testing every few days to check for rebound covid.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> I think
I think their point was that it won’t address the symptoms while you have them,
so use OTC stuff to deal with the symptoms and don’t expect the Paxlovid to do
it.
-D
> On Aug 21, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>
> If you knock the virus down sooner you’re addressing the
If you knock the virus down sooner you’re addressing the symptoms. Whatever
happened to real doctors?
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> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the
> symptoms, just knock the
I dunno, if they're giving it the day I go see the doc I guess. I'm not sold on
the value of the boosters.
Curt
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote: Will you take the new booster shot this fall?
On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:33 PM Curt
Will you take the new booster shot this fall?
On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:33 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> We had it back in April. I never tested positive but I had a wicked sinus
> headache and felt sore for a couple days. I've been having sinus issues for
>
We had it back in April. I never tested positive but I had a wicked sinus
headache and felt sore for a couple days. I've been having sinus issues for
awhile and apparently if your sinuses don't drain properly you might never test
positive...
We're both vaccinated but not boosted. Angie thinks
> Just received results from yesterday's PCR test by the county health dept.
results: "inconclusive". WTF?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/13/musk-says-took-four-covid-19-tests-two-were-positive-two-negative.html
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Just received results from yesterday's PCR test by the county health dept.
results: "inconclusive". WTF?
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:51 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the
> symptoms, just knock the
The PA that treated my son said it won’t do anything to address the symptoms,
just knock the virus down quicker than if you let it run it’s course. They said
to just use OTC stuff for the symptoms, like Dayquil/Nyquil, etc.
-D
> On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>
On 2022-08-19 17:04, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
My question is how many others in this group have yet to or already
contracted Covid 19? I had read that 60% of US citizens have been
infected, although I cannot confirm this.
I'd think it's more than 60%, or at least more than 60%
A friend had it a coupla weeks ago and was totally knocked down. She got some
Pax after a couple days and felt much better the next day to where she could be
up and around but is still very tired and sleeps like 12hr straight. Her
husband started getting sore throat and cough so he went and got
Beats me. He stayed in his room for the week and we stayed away from him. His
employer let him return three days after testing negative.
-D
On Aug 19, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
At what point was your son considered "recovered" and no longer in
At what point was your son considered "recovered" and no longer in need of
quarantining and/or masking at home?
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> This was a walk-in clinic place that is run by a local hospital group that
> was
This was a walk-in clinic place that is run by a local hospital group that was
identified as being a participant in the “fast track” program or whatever they
call it where if you’re diagnosed they can immediately dispense Paxlovid.
That’s why I took him there. He paid nothing for it, just the
The Paxlovid Rx was free to me, but my son says private MDs in LA that
don't take insurance charge "$3k and up".
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:18 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Oldest son went through exactly what you describe two weekends ago. He
> went to a local
Oldest son went through exactly what you describe two weekends ago. He went to
a local walk-in clinic which refused to give him Paxlovid because they said he
wasn’t “high risk” until I said “Mom has cancer, I don’t want this in the
house.” They gave it to him. He thinks he got it at work, as
I tested ++ for Covid last Saturday with minimal symptoms (sore throat,
congestion similar to mild cold). I was prescribed Paxlovid to minimize
risk of severe illness based solely on my age and have been taking it 2X
daily starting Monday evening of this week. Only side effect is a
disagreeable
What state is this?
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:46 PM greg via Mercedes
wrote:
> It looks to me like the dam has burst. After chasing appointments for
> weeks unsuccessfully, I received TWO opportunities within 10 minutes
> yesterday. I found an appointment at a county site in an inconvenient
>
It looks to me like the dam has burst. After chasing appointments for
weeks unsuccessfully, I received TWO opportunities within 10 minutes
yesterday. I found an appointment at a county site in an inconvenient
location, signed up of course. Within 10 minutes I had an email from my
local clinic
We got our Johnson & Johnson shot on Tuesday. No reactions.
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 11:03 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> Got my first (Moderna) shot yesterday. Benefit of my wife volunteering at
> the
> clinic. ("They're going to have
Got my first (Moderna) shot yesterday. Benefit of my wife volunteering at the
clinic. ("They're going to have extra today, get down here.")
-- Jim
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-D
> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> My immunologist professor friend and MD/PhD drug development friend, who were
> both involved in setting up the AZ trial here, say either is fine. I tend to
>
My immunologist professor friend and MD/PhD drug development friend, who were
both involved in setting up the AZ trial here, say either is fine. I tend to
believe them, I have been blinded by SCIENCE!!!
--FT
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> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
I think that Pfizer one was tested on a very small sample which determined its
effectiveness and the moderna was more fully tested, or so I was told.
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> On Mar 12, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I’ll take what they’re giving, as long as it works.
I got my first Pfizer dose almost 2wk ago, no reaction whatsoever except for
minor soreness at the injection site (a former nurse relative says get it in
your dominant arm as more motion will help alleviate that more quickly). I’m
reading that the first dose makes a good part of the antibodies
I’ll take what they’re giving, as long as it works. A couple of percentage
points either way isn’t going to make a difference.
-D
> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Either one is fine
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM,
Either one is fine
--FT
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> On Mar 12, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
>> Our worthless governor
You don’t want the Pfizer one, you want maderna.
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> On Mar 12, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies
> and lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with Mrs.
Our worthless governor decided to take a day off from helping his cronies and
lowered the age for vaccinations to 60. I was registered along with Mrs. Dan in
the state system, so last night about 7:00 pm we got notifications that we were
eligible.
I signed us both up and we could have gotten
Recent paper from China showing that a significant percentage of patients
present with GI-only symptoms, just FYI:
https://journals.lww.com/ajg/Documents/COVID_Digestive_Symptoms_AJG_Preproof.pdf
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 1:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
wrote:
> Thanks, Karl.
>
> He self isolates
They have to know what will harm first --- seems a lot don't, and the rest
are due to "honest mistakes".
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:47 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> LOL. Whatever became of Do No Harm?
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes
LOL. Whatever became of Do No Harm?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes
wrote:
> From personal experience, of all the injuries and infections I have
> experienced, death is the most difficult to recover from.
> Thus, I join Andrew in moving forward with aggressive use of drugs
>From personal experience, of all the injuries and infections I have
experienced, death is the most difficult to recover from.
Thus, I join Andrew in moving forward with aggressive use of drugs and
procedures which show great promise of good effect in treatment... used
well within the practice of
I'm on the side of waiving some safeguards for clinical trials of
speculative newer drugs if patients are out of options.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:02 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Posted for insight, not to incite.
>
>
>
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Thanks, Karl.
He self isolates pretty well, so that’s not an issue. He didn’t present with
any respiratory issues. If he has what the wife brought home, it’s not so much
diarrhea as things are just really loose. That’s why I was saying I was
surprised that all of the known stuff I threw at it
Yeah 2 weeks ago that podcast said some patients were presenting with GI
symptoms, which could also be another vector for infection of others.
--FT
On 3/28/20 4:36 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known
presenting
It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known
presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it
could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also.
The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized
patients. That is changing
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
wrote:
> Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house
> recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but
> definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has
> affected the symptoms. Yogurt,
Glad to hear it is not COVID-19!
Lesson to us all, not a good time to share any health concerns with other
than a healthcare professional or family, lest someone go off half cocked.
Sad stories about traveling nurses being kicked out of leases because
landlords are afraid of contagion.
This hit really close to home:
Youngest boy comes home from work last night, looking a bit peaked and feeling
poorly, said he had a fever. Hmm. Not good. Checks his temperature, sure
enough, he’s got a mild fever. Says his gut has been a mess as the day went on,
with his lower GI going
Typical, let the feds run it and it takes too long, is too expensive, and
in the end doesn't even work right.
Maybe one good outcome of this 'crisis' is a dramatic change in law and
regulation to unshackle private enterprises for producing such tests. If I
were Prez, I'd try to ram that through
Two independent opinions -- one a friend, a professor of immunology at
the local kawlidge, and the Dr. Boy, both say this whole thing is a
total Charlie Foxtrot re: testing and such.
"The FDA/CDC test is 5 genes by RT-PCR.
Not sure why on earth this method is the go too. could not borrow
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