[MBZ] R12 Replacement

2013-10-30 Thread Dan Penoff
What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list have been using? I can't recall the name. I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas, and he has one that needs some major AC work and he doesn't want to convert it to R134a due to the crappy performance he's seen in

Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement

2013-10-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Dura cool, auto frost, there are several Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list have been using? I can't recall the name. I have a coworker who is into old Toyotas,

Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement

2013-10-30 Thread Alex Chamberlain
ES-12 aka Envirosafe www.autorefrigerants.com Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse brevity and typos. On Oct 30, 2013 11:31 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the

Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement

2013-10-30 Thread Rick Knoble
Enviro-Safe. http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm Rick Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here on the list have been using? I can't recall the

Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement

2013-10-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
That's the other one I could not think of Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: ES-12 aka Envirosafe www.autorefrigerants.com Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse brevity and

Re: [MBZ] R12 Replacement

2013-10-30 Thread Jon Agne
Use the Industrial ES-12….it’s a lot colder. You’ll havce to spring for hazmat shipping, but it’s worth it. I’ve used both. AND, order it directly from the factory. On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What is the R12 replacement based on propane that people here

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-14 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that. Fmiser wrote: At some time fairly close to Wed, 12

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Will probably buy a case of that stuff and give it a try Fmiser wrote: rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-14 Thread Trampas
than gasoline under 60psi of pressure. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement Will probably buy a case of that stuff

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-14 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that Trampas wrote: My understanding is that a lot of the R12 replacement is a mixture of propane and butane, thus flammable. I use duracool in my cars which is this propane/butane stuff, it works great and does not require any changes of hoses or oil. There is some debate on the

[MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that need to be recharged and want to try something else? Freeze12? Dont think I like the envirosafe

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? Autofrost R406A? I think Duracool and Envirosafe are among the propane/isobutane blends. Jim Cathey seems to like him homeblended iso/propane nix, maybe it's just too hot where you are? As demand

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Jim Cathey
I think a 30lb equivalent of R406a is about $200 delivered. The two can kit is way high, something like $50 for two cans, tapper, and fittings. Homebrew is about $8 per fillup. Right around what you used to be able to do R12 for. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Curt Raymond
I'm in pretty much the same boat, my 190D's AC gets sort of cool but thats it, I expect its low. Is there a good way to tell if its been converted to 134? -Curt Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] R12 replacement

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Dave M.
Hey Kaleb, Try this stuff: http://www.autocool-refrigerants.com/envirosafe_tech.htm :) -dm -- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] R12 replacement Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Joe Knight
I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool, Kaleb. IIRC, quantities charge pressure are supposed to be considerably lower with HC replacements. joe

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Levi Smith
Speaking of AC... Could someone confirm for me which hose is which? I.e. I don't suppose that nice easy to reach hose on top of my 83' 300D happens to be the low side? Mine had R134 when I got it and I just bought a can and a hose with a gauge on it for $17 that says to be sure I avoid the high

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Fmiser
At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500, rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: Ok, so whats the best alternative to R12 rather than converting to 134? Tried duracool and last time I ordered it stuff didnt seem to work hardly at all. Have a couple of virgin r12 systems that

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Bob Rentfro
Low side is larger diameter... Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement Speaking of AC... Could someone confirm for me which hose

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
No, I intalled it by weight. Joe Knight wrote: I'm wondering if you maybe didn't just overcharge with duracool, Kaleb. IIRC, quantities charge pressure are supposed to be considerably lower with HC replacements. joe ___ http://www.striplin.net For new

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Do you have to use different hoses? Was reading up on it and some people are saying that you need different hoses because it has R22 in it. Freeze12 is R134 mixed with I think 142 or something like that. Fmiser wrote: At some time fairly close to Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:23:13 -0500, rumor has

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Could someone confirm for me which hose is which? I.e. I don't suppose that nice easy to reach hose on top of my 83' 300D happens to be the low side? It is, in fact. The high-side fitting is underneath the alternator. (Stupid place!) When in doubt, follow the hoses from the compressor. The

Re: [MBZ] R12 replacement

2006-04-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Is there a good way to tell if its been converted to 134? It's supposed to have different fittings screwed into it. Another way is if the system fails grotesquely in a year or two. If so, it was converted! (Yes, I have an opinion. I un-converted the latest 560 SL we bought.) -- Jim