Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-10 Thread John Robbins
Gary Thompson wrote: Too many engineers on this list... Hey now, I stayed clear of the whole wheel bearing thing ;-p John '79 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-10 Thread BillR
If you want certainty, you can only have one engineer or any other professional. If you have 15 you will never be sure, but you do have a better chance of getting things right. BillR. - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-10 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Does that certainty apply to knowing the time? (if you have 3 watches, which one is correct??) Werner - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey
They are jarring. But that's part of why they work well. It tends to get people's attention more. There's such a thing as too much attention. A brake light should not require you to yank your eye right to it, I prefer seeing it by peripheral vision, so I can still look out for other things.

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-09 Thread OK Don
Right! I have a Radio Shack 12v red LED across the mono valve to tell me when it's open or closed (bad ACC push button panel that I haven't fixed yet). It's been there for a good six months or more - still works. On 3/8/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought a couple of 12V LEDs a

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-09 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right! I have a Radio Shack 12v red LED across the mono valve to tell me when it's open or closed (bad ACC push button panel that I haven't fixed yet). It's been there for a good six months or more - still works. On that topic, are you supposed to be able to

[MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread Stephen D Murrell
ALEX!; if you figure out the resister, (the value ) to use on the LEDS, could you share it with us???; is it used to lower voltage, current or BOTH!?; thanks, Steve

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread Jim Cathey
ALEX!; if you figure out the resister, (the value ) to use on the LEDS, could you share it with us???; is it used to lower voltage, current or BOTH!?; It lowers both, but its primary purpose is to limit the current. (This being generally true of electrical items. It is the flow of current that

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread dave walton
If you use only a resistor, you will have to seriously under power the LED to prevent killing it. For design purposes, you should plan on seeing 60V spikes in an automotive electrical system. These are caused by suddenly disconnecting a current source from the charging circuit. Resistive lighting

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread Jim Cathey
If you use only a resistor, you will have to seriously under power the LED to prevent killing it. For design purposes, you should plan on seeing 60V spikes in an automotive electrical system. These are caused by suddenly disconnecting a current source from the charging circuit. Resistive lighting

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread dave walton
I've seen experienced electrical engineers make the same mistake, and I've seen the companies they work for suffer because of having to live with the consequences. If you are just playing around in your backyard then toss in a series resistor. If it dies, you are out a few cents and some time.

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread John Robbins
Jim Cathey wrote: LED's are commonly seriously overdriven in multiplexed display operations. Huge current spikes that would fry them if continuous. But they're intermittent, as are the load-dump spikes in an automotive system. Thats what I think would happen too. If you're lucky enough to

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread John Robbins
dave walton wrote: I've seen experienced electrical engineers make the same mistake, and I've seen the companies they work for suffer because of having to live with the consequences. If you are just playing around in your backyard then toss in a series resistor. If it dies, you are out a few

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread Levi Smith
Agreed. They have 12v automotive applications for LED's all over. I've bought some LED trailer lights. Guess what? They work. Much better than regular ones too. I'd be willing to bet they'll last a lot longer than regular bulbs... Come to think of it, I seem to recall an old electronics

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread Jim Cathey
Agreed. They have 12v automotive applications for LED's all over. I've bought some LED trailer lights. Guess what? They work. Much better than regular ones too. I hate them. But if they'd just put some soft-start logic in there for the brake light function I'd be happy again. I just

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-08 Thread John Robbins
Levi Smith wrote: They are jarring. But that's part of why they work well. It tends to get people's attention more. I don't have them on my car, But I agree, on a dark night when you're directly behind someone they sometimes seem a little too bright, but they certainly get my attention more