On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Bob Rentfro wrote:
The 300D @ 167K miles uses about 2.5 qts between 3K mile Delvac changes.
The Acura @ 182K miles uses NONE between 3K Penzoil 20/50 changes.
What year is the Acura? the 300D?
Some of the 617's had an issue with the rocker cover (needing epoxy some
He doesnt have to be shy, hell, Im shy too. I will even provide his
accommodations.
Gary Hurst wrote:
yeah, well, good luck. marshall is shy, right, herr doktor?
obviously well worth it if you can pull it off
On 2/14/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of Booth, we
hahahahahaha
Marshall Booth wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
He doesnt have to be shy, hell, Im shy too. I will even provide his
accommodations.
I'm not shy, I'm just a recluse.
Marshall
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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
(2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
87 300SDL, 85 380SE
In a message dated 2/14/2007 7:58:23 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Looks like this dude has a Xferable warranty.
You reckon it's one offered by the dealer they charge a bizillion $s for
when you buy the vehicle?
Would this be outside the years for sludge
] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Bob Rentfro wrote:
The 300D @ 167K miles uses about 2.5 qts between 3K mile Delvac
changes.
The Acura @ 182K miles uses NONE between 3K Penzoil 20/50 changes.
What year is the Acura? the 300D?
Some of the 617's had an issue with the rocker cover
*D'oh!*
-j.
--
John Reames
1985 300D (223K Gerta)
1991 Cherokee (149K the fishbowl)
1999 E300Dt (142K Hans)
1999 E300Dt (108K Frantz)
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From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What year is the Acura? the 300D?
Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 167K
'87
So ... what you are saying is that your making Stu stew was the Genesis of
what we now have?
(That might or might not be a good thing, you know.)
On 2/13/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ritter and company felt this deserved the life ban, which in turn created
mbz.org which was the
yes, that is and has always been my contention.
marshall also played a key roll in it, but i'm not even sure he knows this
On 2/13/07, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So ... what you are saying is that your making Stu stew was the Genesis of
what we now have?
(That might or might not be a
leak, burn, i don't know. the oil just disappears
On 2/13/07, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Gary Hurst wrote:
don't all mercedes engines come with major oil consumption?
Only the 603.97x's :) the 606's are better; like 1qt M1 0W40 every 7K
miles. OTOH,
Funny, neither of the two 603's my brother and I have USE any oil, and
he has fixed the leak on his (chain tensioner). Until the head gasket
went on mine (or the head, definitive diagnosis awaiting a tool), mine
routinely used little or no oil between 6000 mile changes of Mobil 1.
His 617
Burn, baby, burn.
Or, as I like to think about it, it is the selfless sacrifice by my Mobil 1
molecular workforce for a higher cause, to wit, the longevity of my car's
engine.
As exhibit one I offer the Grumman Albatross --
i've never seen an old benz gas engine that doesn't burn a quart at least
every 500
the diesel just leak them
it's a total loss system. i like it!
On 2/13/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Funny, neither of the two 603's my brother and I have USE any oil, and
he has fixed the
You must not have seen many then.
Peter
John W. Reames III wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Gary Hurst wrote:
don't all mercedes engines come with major oil consumption?
Only the 603.97x's :) the 606's are better; like 1qt M1 0W40 every 7K
miles. OTOH, they CAN leak a lot... but nothing like a Jeep straight six
(It's not
Peter Frederick wrote:
You must not have seen many then.
Agreed
Marshall
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Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
did i ever mention that i'm not really a diesel guy and generally am not
talking about diesels?
i understand that is heresy here, but it is the fact.
i like diesels fine. my most used car is my 81 300TD. but i also sometimes
like to change speeds in a hurry, which is not something the old
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Gary Hurst wrote:
the obvious point here is that GM engines are not junk as such (well, not
for the most part. t here are some though) and that mercedes is not the be
all and end all of wonder automotion.
The 6.2 and 6.5L diesels (as used in trucks and hmmwv's) were pretty
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Gary Hurst wrote:
leak, burn, i don't know. the oil just disappears
Perhaps it combines with socks and comes back as wire coat hangers?
g
-j.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Peter Frederick wrote:
Funny, neither of the two 603's my brother and I have USE any oil, and
he has fixed the leak on his (chain tensioner). Until the head gasket
went on mine (or the head, definitive diagnosis awaiting a tool), mine
routinely used little or no oil
I've seen one of those at my friends shop, 350,000 miles, no oil
consumption and no other work -- when you get a good one, they are
great, but there are too many bad ones out there, I think.
Peter
LarryT wrote:
Do you know if the extended engine warranties were transferrable to new
owners of late 90s MB's?
I BELIEVE that the settlement covered ONLY the original owner(s)!
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
yeah, that's what i'm saying. oldsmobile motors are like that
On 2/13/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've seen one of those at my friends shop, 350,000 miles, no oil
consumption and no other work -- when you get a good one, they are
great, but there are too many bad ones out
with crook
oil rings.
- Original Message -
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
yes, i was wondering why GM engines were junk and lasted hundreds
Aren't those motors designed as multi fuel motors?
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From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
The 6.2 and 6.5L diesels (as used
hey, Im back subscribed to that list, under my own name none the less.
I have even been posting. Just wanting to see how long it takes before
stu figures out Im posting and kicks me off. I can tell though all my
posts are moderated before being posted.
Gary Hurst wrote:
yes, i was
they were designed and build by detroit. At that time, GM owned detroit.
John W. Reames III wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Gary Hurst wrote:
the obvious point here is that GM engines are not junk as such (well, not
for the most part. t here are some though) and that mercedes is not the be
all
Now that you are the King of Benz Used Parts, you are a force with which to
be reckoned and a valuable player in the Stu world -- sort of the Fred
Sanford of their inner circle.
On 2/13/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hey, Im back subscribed to that list, under my own name none
oh no, I dare not try and sell anything there.
LT Don wrote:
Now that you are the King of Benz Used Parts, you are a force with which to
be reckoned and a valuable player in the Stu world -- sort of the Fred
Sanford of their inner circle.
On 2/13/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
their experiences with others.
Werner
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From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
So ... what you are saying is that your making Stu stew
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
LarryT wrote:
Do you know if the extended engine warranties were transferrable to new
owners of late 90s MB's?
I BELIEVE that the settlement covered ONLY the original owner(s)!
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ
are willing to share their experiences with others.
Werner
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From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
So ... what you are saying is that your
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
So ... what you are saying is that your making Stu stew was the
Genesis
of
what we now have?
(That might or might not be a good thing, you know.)
On 2/13/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL
Tom Hargrave wrote:
My Son had his M class engine replaced under warranty and he is not the
original owner.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
SNIP
LarryT wrote:
Do you know if the extended engine warranties were transferrable to new
owners of late 90s MB's?
I BELIEVE that the settlement covered ONLY
workers, and lots of
people
who are willing to share their experiences with others.
Werner
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From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
Tom Hargrave wrote:
My Son had his M class engine replaced under warranty and he is not the
original owner.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
SNIP
LarryT wrote:
Do you know if the extended engine warranties were transferrable to new
owners of late
their experiences with others.
Werner
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From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
So ... what you are saying is that your
Tom Hargrave wrote:
His had 86,000 miles on the clock when Mercedes rebuilt the engine under
warranty.
Was he the owner when the class action was settled or only subsequently?
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
just two parallel conversations
just announce that you really are the messiah, marshall, so we can put
it all back together again
On 2/13/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom Hargrave wrote:
His had 86,000 miles on the clock when Mercedes rebuilt the engine under
warranty.
Was he
]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
Funny, neither of the two 603's my brother and I have USE any oil, and
he has fixed the leak on his (chain tensioner). Until the head gasket
went on mine (or the head
LT Don typed:
I knew Marshall was a saint, but I didn't know he was the Messiah.
Shall we say that he came to save his people from their Stus?
We all wish we could touch the hem of his garment.
Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 167K
'87 Acura Legend 182K
Litchfield Park, AZ
13, 2007 9:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
Tom Hargrave wrote:
His had 86,000 miles on the clock when Mercedes rebuilt the engine under
warranty.
Was he the owner when the class action was settled or only subsequently?
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D
Tom Hargrave wrote:
I don't know when the class action was settled. He purchased the M class
used from the original owner 2 years ago.
I'm pretty sure the class action was settled well before that so in his
case, the warranty followed the car (that seems very rare).
Marshall
--
Marshall
Tom Hargrave wrote:
He's had his 300CD serviced at the stealership for years. Maybe there was a
personal favor involved - I'll ask.
A good/long working relationship with the dealer has made a BIG
difference in the past. Mercedes has given the dealer almost complete
power to squelch warranty
Looks like this dude has a Xferable warranty.
You reckon it's one offered by the dealer they charge a bizillion $s for when
you buy the vehicle?
Would this be outside the years for sludge issues?
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/277567380.html
Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 167K
'87 Acura Legend 182K
Speaking of Booth, we need to get him out here for the next OkieQ.
Maybe it could coordinate with his yearly trip to Muskogee which is
about 25 miles from my house.
Gary Hurst wrote:
there was very little strategic planning, but, yes, i did it. it
really came down to issuing the statement of
yeah, well, good luck. marshall is shy, right, herr doktor?
obviously well worth it if you can pull it off
On 2/14/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of Booth, we need to get him out here for the next OkieQ.
Maybe it could coordinate with his yearly trip to Muskogee which
Yas just gotta love The Doc(oil can) Booth
--
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
there was very little strategic planning, but, yes, i did it. it
really came down to issuing the statement of if you don't sign this
booth guy up, you won't have anything other
Essentially NO crankcase ventilation, no way for the water vapor to
escape. Results from attempting to minimize emissions from burning
crankcase vapors, I suspect.
Chrysler had absolute fits with this on their trucks.
Peter
: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues
Thanks for sharing that article - I'm sure many people are quaking in
their
boots after reading that! Especially owners of those models affected
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From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues
Larry - the things
In a message dated 2/12/2007 6:28:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That said, oil sludge is almost always a product of trapped moisture or
combustion product contaminants, coupled with improper (usually cool)
temperatures. It would seem that our Japanese
Seems like there might be something else at work here besides owners
not
changing oil at proper times - the problem only started around
1997/1998
why wasn't it an apparent problem in older cars? Maybe oil quality
degraded 10-12 years ago?
When did the shift to 5W- and 0W- oils take place?
Jim Cathey wrote:
Seems like there might be something else at work here besides owners
not
changing oil at proper times - the problem only started around
1997/1998
why wasn't it an apparent problem in older cars? Maybe oil quality
degraded 10-12 years ago?
When did the shift to 5W- and 0W-
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
In a message dated 2/12/2007 6:28:09 P.M. US
don't all mercedes engines come with major oil consumption?
On 2/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/12/2007 6:28:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That said, oil sludge is almost always a product of trapped moisture or
Didn't Stu Ritter ban you from a mail list the last time you made comments
like this?
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From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
don't all
this?
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From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues/my 0.02
don't all mercedes engines come with major oil consumption?
On 2/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/automobiles/04SLUDGE.html?ex=1171256400en=8cc685238e761970ei=5070
Toyota just replaced the engine in my wifes 1999 Toyata Sienna. We bought
it in 2002 with 35K miles on it. Had 133,000 when they changed the engine
out.a month ago
All I ran was M1 synthetic
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Sludge
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Freer
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sludge Issues
MB also faced the same issues back in the late 90's when they used dino oil
with their ill-fated FSS which extended oil changes way past their prime
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/automobiles/04SLUDGE.html?ex=1171256400en=8cc685238e761970ei=5070
Toyota just replaced the engine in my wifes 1999 Toyata Sienna. We bought
it in 2002 with 35K miles on it. Had 133,000 when they changed the engine
out.a month ago
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am certain that I read somewhere that the reason the Toyota
engines sludged up was that they reduced the size of the PCV valve
and related stuff in order to improve emission readings.
LOL. Thinking of the M180 engine in my 230 -- when I got it, the
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