John Reames wrote:
What was the source of fuel for the duff laptop batteries?
I thought they were LiPo, but the recall was for Li-ion:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09035.html
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I was up on a ladder one day, pretty high, screwing something in with a
big Milwaukee cordless drill, and the NiCd battery exploded. I thought
I had been shot, and just about blew out my ear it was so loud, and
scared the shit out of me (which was itself a bit scary 20ft up on a
ladder). The
My friend Jack, has driven Lincoln Town Cars for years. He currently has a new
burgundy colored one that is very
nice.
He sold his previous, sort of champagne colored one sometime last year to a
local fellow who stopped in to see him
this week. The one he sold last year was totalled a couple
With Lithium based batteries, you had better not get in a serious wreck;
remember the Sony laptop fires? Overheated lithium batts that split.
Apparently the only extinguishing materials for a lithium fire is Copper dust
(10lbs Cu per 1lb of Li) and a graphite based substance called Lith-X,
Lithium ion batteries do not contain more than a trace of free
(burnable) lithium metal. The electrode is an alloy of some sort
(details escape me at the moment, but it isn't flamable). However,
the ether used for the electrolyte if VERY flamable, hence the hot
fire. Lots of electricity
What was the source of fuel for the duff laptop batteries?
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On Jul 29, 2010, at 18:10, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
Lithium ion batteries do not contain more than a trace of free (burnable)
lithium
Last time I dropped an old cellphone Li-ion battery in a bonfire, it made
one hell of a lithium fire, sounded like a small fire cracker going off when
it ruptured, then the burgendy-pink-purple for ~ 30 seconds, so it wans't
just the solvent flashing off.
Also, the 3V lithium primary cells (used
As long as you keep them sunny-side up. When they go over hard, it takes a
couple of feet off the top. Ditto for minivans. Iirc 1/3 of all single
vehicle accidents in a SUV or minivan have a fatality.
Compare this to the old ad photo of a c-class (w201?) sized Benz sitting on
some rigging
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I try to improve my chances by trying not to drive along beside or near
Autocross helps too; you learn where the handling limits are, what plasticity
they have, and how to get it back within those limits when they are exceeded...
So it becomes almost instinctive.
The benzes seem to have a nice bit of plasticity in the limits, as compared to
a s2000 which has very
Autocross is a great way to find the limits of a car, and yours, in a safe
environment. Most are amazed just how fast you get the average car to turn,
and stop. Most people who crash into the back of things, often have quite a
bit of braking capability left in the car, as they plow into the
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As long as you keep them sunny-side up. When they go over hard, it takes a
couple of feet off the top. Ditto for minivans. Iirc 1/3 of all single
vehicle accidents in a SUV or minivan have a fatality.
Compare this to the old ad photo of a c-class (w201
I used my street tires (bridgestone something-or-other-that-really-sucked, then
Michelin primacy's)...
I'm impressed with the primacy tires!
I've gotten to the point where I just do what's needed when some
eye-dee-ten-tee that isn't paying attention attempts to invoke evolution
(either mine or
Someone had Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on a Volvo 544 back in the
'70s at a local autocross - went too fast iinto a corner and tipped it on
its side.
While I do agree autocross is a great way to learn, as are DE events at a
track, I would ban really sticky tires, in all but the most
Yeah, you do want some roll oversteer to let you know when you are
getting into the danger zone.
W115 chassis cars are known to un-mount the outside front tire in
extreme cornering with no warning at all -- rear anti-roll bar is too
stiff. It's lighter in the W123 and later chassis
We used to say the 008Rs had so much grip, they could pull the frame off the
body in a corner. lol
Ed
300E
On 27 July 2010 20:54, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
Someone had Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on a Volvo 544 back in the
'70s at a local autocross - went too fast iinto a corner
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:58:32 -0700
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I too use Wilton's driving strategy
Curt Raymond wrote:
I have a theory that as part of driver training everybody should have mandatory
motorcycle training.
I first read about defensive driving in the form of 'pretend the other guy tried
to kill you, where will you go' in Cycle or Cycle World in the 1970s.
I used to take it
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I too use Wilton's driving strategy. I recall a situation that occurred
along my usual commuting route when I lived in Vancouver Canada. A full
concrete truck taking an exit ramp
I'm not a big fan of Fifth Gear but its worth going on Youtube to see their
crash of a new Renault vs an old safe Volvo...
-Curt
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:00:40 EDT
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to see
their crash of a new Renault vs an old safe Volvo...
-Curt
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:00:40 EDT
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.Tell me about
I would be happy to drive a non-modern car if you can make absolutely
positively sure that I won't be severely injured and permanently
incapacitated in an accident and that my dependents are taken care of
it I am.
The though of being mangled in a car accident does NOT excite me, in
any
E M wrote:
I think TopGear did a bit on destroying an old W124 wagon too. They
subjected it to different kind of punishment. Seemed to hold up well for an
old banger.
You mean Vicki and the hand grenade?
A wagon would be an S124, wouldn't it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQSLwcUrPXM
Yes, that was the episode. Not sure of the official model designation. I
just used the W124 to denote vintage of car.
Ed
300E
On 25 July 2010 11:46, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
E M wrote:
I think TopGear did a bit on destroying an old W124 wagon too. They
subjected it to
Sorry, but there are no such deals in life. You can try to put the odds in
your favour. All things being equal (which they never are by the way), a
newer car has more safety features built into it, but they still allow
people to mangle themselves, and get killed.
New or old, cars respond to
EM:
Watch that video of the Biscayne and the Impala. You may change your
mind.
Having crash tested my Benz (quite inadvertantly, mind you, not on
purpose), I find the suggestion that a 1950's Detroit slug is a
viable option to be laughable.
Hardly a false sense of security, driving a
The fact you refer to it as a car you won't get killed in, leads me
believe you have already established a false sense of security with your
chosen car.
It's nice to strive towards building safer cars, which I'm all for. If you
think there is such a thing as car you can't get killed in, or
Subject: Re: [MBZ] crash safety
The fact you refer to it as a car you won't get killed in, leads me
believe you have already established a false sense of security with your
chosen car.
It's nice to strive towards building safer cars, which I'm all for. If
you
think there is such a thing
E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes:
There is an argument that can also be made, that many of the current
cars lull you into a false sense of security. The reality is, if you
climb into a car, with a bit of fear of it, you may just drive it with
a bit more respect, and pay closer attention to
possible - avoid the pack.
Wilton
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The fact you refer to it as a car you won't get killed in, leads me
believe
I agree. Modern safety features often give those who make mistakes a second
chance. But Darwin usually has a plan for those who don't learn from their
mistakes. And it's usually quite spectacular, to prove his point to all
those who are watching, that he almost always wins in the end. hee hee.
Problem is, this is exactly the GM line for decades on why they
didn't have any responsibility to build safer cars.
I've driven somewhere around half a million mile with one accident
that was not my fault (someone else blew a traffic light and I
couldn't see him coming). All the defensive
Yes, but SUVs are the LEAST safe vehicles, and my driving has not
changed on whit from when I was driving a VW bug.
Peter
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That's that saying about 4 wheel drives? They'll just get you stuck
further, and deeper from home.
I do not want full-time 4WD/AWD. I leave the truck in 2WD
until I get stuck, or when it's extremely icy/slippery, then
I put it in 4WD to get back to 2WD territory.
-- Jim
I think life is about balance. I don't suppose you logged most of those
miles in a '57, and more than most of us are not using '57s for daily
transport today. I have been hit at pretty low speeds, in horrendously
flimsy cars. Most accidents do happen at lower speeds. As we all know,
impact
That's why SUVs are often the most unsafe vehicles, because most drive them
like cars, which they are not.
I try to adapt my driving style, with respect to the vehicle I'm driving.
I'm sure the point you're making is, you apply the same amount of safe
driving practice to all the vehicles you
That's the way to use it. Many view the added cushion as addition
operational range. They use up all the built in safety margin.
People do the same in sports cars all the time, with ABS and traction
control. The aids make them look better than they often are, and rather
than backing off, they
Physics will win every time.
Wilton
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That's the way to use it. Many view the added cushion as addition
No, SUVs are the least safe vehicles because they have the most
injuries/fatalities PER ACCIDENT, both in out outside the vehicle,
than any other vehicles. Chey Suburbans lead the bottom of the pack.
Peter
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My dad taught me to drive into a mud hole in 2wd so you could back out in 4wd
if you had to.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:21:03 -0400
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I tend to take such stats with a grain of salt. What stats often fail to
include, are the demographic group that tends to buy such vehicles. Is it
possible that part of the larger number of injuries to those inside the
vehicle, is the direct result these vehicles are often purchased to haul
Ed wrote:
The reality is, if you climb into
a car, with a bit of fear of it, you may just drive it with a bit more
respect, and pay closer attention to the surrounds you're driving in.
I agree - fwiw.
mao
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Aw, the old cars, really old cars...I drove two Chevy Corvairs while in
college. They were really coffins on wheels (like the Miata), but they were so
much fun to drive. I don't think Ralph Nadar ever drove one or he wouldn't have
been so hard on them. I got parts from parts yards and saw how
with someone other than me.
Greg
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I try to improve my chances by trying not to drive
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I try to improve my chances by trying not to drive along beside or near a
big truck or in a pack of vehicles. 'Seems to me, it's more
Drive any car off a cliff. Yeah. Crumple zones, airbags, anti-sway, trac
control, gps, onstar, none of it helps you much there.
It boils down to how alert and in control the driver is, the skill level,
and the attention to detail when it comes to upkeep and maintence.
Walt, who felt safer in a
.Tell me about that old rusty MB and a 2005 MB.
I wonder if there is a way to do that type of filmed crash test report.
That might be interesting, although, I doubt if they have cut back on
their infamous crush zones...
Instead of all this whistling in the dark about how safe the old cars
I've seen that one, scary. Makes me glad I drive a modern car.
Peter
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Peter wrote:
I've seen that one, scary. Makes me glad I drive a modern car.
Yeah.
Eliminate any hazard.
Eliminate any danger.
Well planned life of luxury with zero complications or chance of
complication sounds... boring.
No thanks.
mao
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And the sugar cane truck head-on (with a VW something) was nothing like
this picture.
RLE
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