Re: [MBZ] way OT - fence charger repair/deer management

2014-12-08 Thread David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes
On 12/7/2014 7:38 PM, OK Don wrote: What kind of fence (how high) do you electrify that keeps the deer out of the corn? Around here they laugh as they jump over the fences. Do you electrify the entire fence or just the top? These are mule deer you have? I know they are bigger than our

Re: [MBZ] way OT - fence charger repair/deer management

2014-12-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:20:23 -0500 David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We use the low impedance type of charger that is supposed to be tolerant of weeds. Neighbors have advised that one of the 50 mile (2 joule) sort is needed. Fence chargers that put out much

[MBZ] way OT - fence charger repair

2014-12-07 Thread David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes
Gentlemen, thank you for your responses! You are educating an old farmer, which has to be a good thing. No, the fuse does not blow when the mystery part is not installed. It is in series with the the 110 volt hot line to the transformer. I tried connecting the line from

Re: [MBZ] way OT - fence charger repair

2014-12-07 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
What kind of fence (how high) do you electrify that keeps the deer out of the corn? Around here they laugh as they jump over the fences. Do you electrify the entire fence or just the top? On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:41 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My

[MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes
Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an electronic component for me. The fence charger has failed that protects my vegetable garden from deer. The charger is a Parmak S.E.3 of the 110 volt type. I found one of its two 1 amp fuses bad, as has happened over the

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. MOVs are a form of semiconductor device that act like a sponge, so to speak, and prevent voltages above a certain threshold to be “clamped” or absorbed by the MOV. You might know them better a a “surge suppressor”. That’s all that is inside those

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:22:48 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. I agree with Dan. Can you read any information on the MOV itself? He said, It is marked R270 and below that, CM 56. If not, can you tell where it is in the

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I found some DIY repair data on their chargers, and it appears they have MOVs across the AC side of the transformer, which I believe is the one yours has blown, as well as MOVs across the secondary outputs, too. This is pretty typical “best practice” design for AC circuits. Lightning strikes

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
If this in indeed a MOV it is not necessary for functionality. (Only protection.) Before investing anything, see if the charger still works without it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Good point, Jim. An MOV can be left out of the circuit and things should still be functional. Dan On Dec 6, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this in indeed a MOV it is not necessary for functionality. (Only protection.) Before investing

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
David wrote: Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an electronic component for me. Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
David wrote: Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an electronic component for me. Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Dan wrote: Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. MOVs are a form of semiconductor device that act like a sponge, so to speak, and prevent voltages above a certain threshold to be “clamped” or absorbed by the MOV. Sorry Dan, I can't leave that one alone. An MOV is better described

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 18:30:04 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor. MOVs are a form of semiconductor device that act like a sponge, so to speak, and prevent voltages above a certain threshold to be “clamped” or

Re: [MBZ] way OT - Fence charger repair

2014-12-06 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Thus it doesn't absorb anything! It simply shorts the line to prevent the voltage from getting high enough to cause damage. ... to cause damage _other than to itself_! It does absorb energy, into itself. When they've had enough, they explode. They almost always fail shorted, at voltages