Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Probably the goal of an efficient, reliable, affordable turbine engine is a > question of "pick any two" You left off small! No, it would not be cheap. At first. But they'd be making hundreds of thousands of them, in fairly short order. What I'm talking about is a 20HP-ish unit, very

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-23 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Probably the goal of an efficient, reliable, affordable turbine engine is a question of "pick any two" On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, at 11:28 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >> A turbine would be interesting but if I recall they are not particularly >> fuel efficient, > > IIRC, all combustion

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> A turbine would be interesting but if I recall they are not particularly fuel > efficient, IIRC, all combustion engines are about equally efficient, at optimum loading. (Whatever that is for the technology.) Turbines have poor throttle response, and poor efficiency at lower throttle.

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-23 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Design and build one on a 123 platform.  Buy a Tesla battery pack (or Pious or whatever motors and batteries those guys were scrounging from old forklifts) and the associated electronics, maybe use a little 1- or 2- cyl diesel for the charger since those are cheap and plentiful, and go

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I would never buy a hybrid. I would, maybe, but nobody's making the 'right' one. IMHO, the correct hybrid is a decent plug-in EV, but with an auxiliary turbine-based onboard battery charger for indefinite range. Should be no bigger than a large paint can, and designed for optimum running at

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Exactly. On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:49 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > From a purely practical standpoint, a hybrid seems more useful to me. > Electric for your daily commute, but has the ability to do a long road trip > using the combustion engine. > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
>From a purely practical standpoint, a hybrid seems more useful to me. Electric >for your daily commute, but has the ability to do a long road trip using the >combustion engine. Technically, there are two drive systems and more complexity, so probability of a failure is higher. On Tue, Feb

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I would never buy a hybrid. On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 6:37 PM Rick Knoble wrote: > > What kind of EVs are made in Europe? > > German > > https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/e-performance/ > > https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/electric-vehicles-3646 > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> What kind of EVs are made in Europe? German https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/e-performance/ https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/electric-vehicles-3646 https://www.mbusa.com/en/eq-electric-cars https://www.audiusa.com/us/web/en/models/electric-models.html There are plenty of

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What kind of EVs are made in Europe? On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 3:28 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Couldn't find the manifest yet. Here's a thread and an article to help > occupy your day. > > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Couldn't find the manifest yet. Here's a thread and an article to help occupy your day. https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/cargo-ship-full-of-porsches-and-vws-is-on-fire-and-adrift-in-the-atlantic.9496674/

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
If you have seen the ship's manifest, please post it for us all to experience *schadenfreude*. On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:04 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I'm happy with being on the list for a new Fisker ocean. > > I'm pretty sure there are some electric VWs

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> I'm happy with being on the list for a new Fisker ocean. I'm pretty sure there are some electric VWs and Porches on fire on a ship in the ocean. They may end up being at the bottom of the ocean. Close enough? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] OT Interesting perspective on EVs v V12s THIS is Why I Replaced My EV With a V12! How Green Are Electric Cars?

2022-02-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I'm happy with being on the list for a new Fisker ocean. I will charge it up using my solar panels. On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:26 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This guy is a bit annoying but he is quite an enthusiast and pretty > knowledgeable about cars. He