Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Mitch Haley

Benz Hogs wrote:
Ok.  I've had the bottom bracket out and back in to check and make sure 
the seat tube goes all the way in, and it does.  Next is finding ammonia 
locally.  Suggestions?


Where do you buy your groceries? Look in the cleaning supplies.

Anhydrous ammonia is a low temperature refrigerant, you can't pour it any more 
than you can Freon. But the household ammonia solution that you use for glass 
and tile cleaner should do the trick.


I should have sent you to Capt'n Bike's web page in the first place.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D

2011-04-16 Thread Larry T



Hey Wilton, 

   Where'd yo u find the location Key for that lockout module?  I seem to 
recall a diagram in the WSM - Maintenence section maybe?  



Thx 

LarryT 

91 300D 


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Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! 

- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:46:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D 

'Just looked it up.  It's behind (well, in front of, really, in relation to 
the car) the instrument cluster.  Remove instrument cluster.  Sitting in 
driver's seat, K38 is behind upper left corner of inst. cluster; 
illustration shows small square box. 

Wilton 

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Massmann rmassm...@embarqmail.com 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:55 PM 
Subject: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D 


 Well I foundd that the starter solenoid works so I have a break somewhere 
 between the started solenoid and the ingnition start switch. Most 
 discussion on forums relates to the starter lock-out relay module (K38). I 
 have not found it yet. Next place to check is behind the instrument 
 cluster. Is this were it is. There really isn't very much room in the 
 panel area. 
 
 If any one knows please let me know. 
 
 Regards. 
 Robert Massmann 
 Oregonia Ohio 
 
 
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- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:46:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D 

'Just looked it up.  It's behind (well, in front of, really, in relation to 
the car) the instrument cluster.  Remove instrument cluster.  Sitting in 
driver's seat, K38 is behind upper left corner of inst. cluster; 
illustration shows small square box. 

Wilton 

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Massmann rmassm...@embarqmail.com 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:55 PM 
Subject: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D 


 Well I foundd that the starter solenoid works so I have a break somewhere 
 between the started solenoid and the ingnition start switch. Most 
 discussion on forums relates to the starter lock-out relay module (K38). I 
 have not found it yet. Next place to check is behind the instrument 
 cluster. Is this were it is. There really isn't very much room in the 
 panel area. 
 
 If any one knows please let me know. 
 
 Regards. 
 Robert Massmann 
 Oregonia Ohio 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D

2011-04-16 Thread WILTON

Disc 1; Elec. Trouble Shooting; Relays and Control Modules, page 8

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D






Hey Wilton,

Where'd yo u find the location Key for that lockout module? I seem to 
recall a diagram in the WSM - Maintenence section maybe?




Thx

LarryT

91 300D


Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For 
Inexpensive Oil Test Kits!


- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:46:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D

'Just looked it up. It's behind (well, in front of, really, in relation to
the car) the instrument cluster. Remove instrument cluster. Sitting in
driver's seat, K38 is behind upper left corner of inst. cluster;
illustration shows small square box.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Massmann rmassm...@embarqmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:55 PM
Subject: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D



Well I foundd that the starter solenoid works so I have a break somewhere
between the started solenoid and the ingnition start switch. Most
discussion on forums relates to the starter lock-out relay module (K38). 
I

have not found it yet. Next place to check is behind the instrument
cluster. Is this were it is. There really isn't very much room in the
panel area.

If any one knows please let me know.

Regards.
Robert Massmann
Oregonia Ohio


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- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:46:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D

'Just looked it up. It's behind (well, in front of, really, in relation to
the car) the instrument cluster. Remove instrument cluster. Sitting in
driver's seat, K38 is behind upper left corner of inst. cluster;
illustration shows small square box.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Massmann rmassm...@embarqmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:55 PM
Subject: [MBZ] No Start from my 1995 E300D



Well I foundd that the starter solenoid works so I have a break somewhere
between the started solenoid and the ingnition start switch. Most
discussion on forums relates to the starter lock-out relay module (K38). 
I

have not found it yet. Next place to check is behind the instrument
cluster. Is this were it is. There really isn't very much room in the
panel area.

If any one knows please let me know.

Regards.
Robert Massmann
Oregonia Ohio


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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Luther's Benz
Groceries come from Trader Joe's, they don't do cleaning supplies in large 
quantity.
I've been all around the late Sheldon's website for this and many other issues. 
nbsp;I was hoping the wise MB mechanics would have some new suggestions to 
handle AU+steel corrosion.

Luther
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On Apr 16, 2011 8:16 AM, Mitch Haley lt;m...@voyager.netgt; wrote: 

Benz Hogs wrote:

gt; Ok.  I've had the bottom bracket out and back in to check and make sure 

gt; the seat tube goes all the way in, and it does.  Next is finding ammonia 

gt; locally.  Suggestions?



Where do you buy your groceries? Look in the cleaning supplies.



Anhydrous ammonia is a low temperature refrigerant, you can't pour it any more 

than you can Freon. But the household ammonia solution that you use for glass 

and tile cleaner should do the trick.



I should have sent you to Capt'n Bike's web page in the first place.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html



Mitch.



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[MBZ] Eye-watering

2011-04-16 Thread WILTON
'Just had 3 eye-watering moments in the front yard (no, I didn't get hit where 
it really hurts).  Part of today's Seymour Johnson AFB air show, a formation of 
P-51, 2 F-15E's and an A-10 made 3 very low passes; P-51 appropriately in lead. 
 'Could easily pick out the sweet roar of the P-51 amongst the sounds; 'made 
hair on my arms stand up.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Gerry Archer

I've had a similar problem; a pipe inside a pipe.
After trying all the solvents; WD-40, 50-50 acetone and light oil, Aero 
kroil, Blaster, Ruster Eater from Autozone, etc.; I bought an Icee from a 
convenience store, put a cork in one end of the inside tube, filled the 
inside tube up with Icee, and heated the outer tube all around with a hair 
dryer set on high while hitting the open end of the inside tube with a heavy 
plastic mallet (rubber mallet didn't
work).  Had to refill the inside tube with cold Icee a couple of times since 
it melted pretty fast.
I was prepared to heat the outside tube with a propane torch if necessary 
but after about 20 minutes of heating the outside tube and hitting the 
inside tube with the plastic mallet, it finally moved a little and 
eventually came out.

Good luck,
Gerry

From: Luther's Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
Groceries come from Trader Joe's, they don't do cleaning supplies in large 
quantity.
I've been all around the late Sheldon's website for this and many other 
issues. nbsp;I was hoping the wise MB mechanics would have some new 
suggestions to handle AU+steel corrosion.


Luther
-- Sent from my Palm Pre
On Apr 16, 2011 8:16 AM, Mitch Haley lt;m...@voyager.netgt; wrote:

Benz Hogs wrote:

gt; Ok.  I've had the bottom bracket out and back in to check and make 
sure


gt; the seat tube goes all the way in, and it does.  Next is finding 
ammonia


gt; locally.  Suggestions?



Where do you buy your groceries? Look in the cleaning supplies.



Anhydrous ammonia is a low temperature refrigerant, you can't pour it any 
more


than you can Freon. But the household ammonia solution that you use for 
glass


and tile cleaner should do the trick.



I should have sent you to Capt'n Bike's web page in the first place.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html



Mitch.



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[MBZ] Non Cranking Mercedes was Non-Starting

2011-04-16 Thread Robert Massmann
Well I got the cluster out and found the K38 relay. I cleaned the contacts, 
but found that the contacts weren't closing. Is there any problem with 
jumping across this contact. Need to get it back on the road. I will double 
check that there is voltage present on the one side of the coil.


Bob Massmann 




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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Mountain Man
Ammonia diazo processing is good source - if that process has any
suppliers these days.  That is the old 'blueprint' developer wherein
ammonia vapor turns the compound to blue after exposure.  See
blueprinting in the yellow pages.

Take that fine schwinn to lickton's and see if they can't knock that
baby out for you.  Who runs the place these days?  Is Bob Lickton
still there?  Nelson Lickton?  I worked there 2 summers in 1970.

I will attach picture of my 1938 bike in separate email.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Mountain Man
Right
Kleb... where are you???
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Non Cranking Mercedes was Non-Starting

2011-04-16 Thread OK Don
Can you open the relay to see if it's a broken wire to the coil, or burnt
points that keeps it from working?
Otherwise - I would jump across the contacts to get the car on the road
until I could get a new relay. Will there be a problem trying this? - I
don't know ---

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Robert Massmann
rmassm...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 Well I got the cluster out and found the K38 relay. I cleaned the contacts,
 but found that the contacts weren't closing. Is there any problem with
 jumping across this contact. Need to get it back on the road. I will double
 check that there is voltage present on the one side of the coil.

 Bob Massmann

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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread OK Don
He's out buying more cars to fix 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Right
 Kleb... where are you???
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Re: [MBZ] Non Cranking Mercedes was Non-Starting

2011-04-16 Thread Robert Massmann
I checked the relay out cleaned contact and found that there was a 
disconnect between the relay contact and the exit pin 87 of the relay.  I 
fixed that with a jumper wire between the conact and the pin. I reinstalled 
the relay but found that the relay is not closing, not sure why yet so I am 
closing the contact with a jumper wire. I think this circuit only gets power 
when the key is turned to the start position.


Bob Massmann

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From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non Cranking Mercedes was Non-Starting



Can you open the relay to see if it's a broken wire to the coil, or burnt
points that keeps it from working?
Otherwise - I would jump across the contacts to get the car on the road
until I could get a new relay. Will there be a problem trying this? - I
don't know ---

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Robert Massmann
rmassm...@embarqmail.comwrote:

Well I got the cluster out and found the K38 relay. I cleaned the 
contacts,

but found that the contacts weren't closing. Is there any problem with
jumping across this contact. Need to get it back on the road. I will 
double

check that there is voltage present on the one side of the coil.

Bob Massmann

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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread E M
I posted some pics and got the holding message too.  They usually come
through within a few hours.

Ed
300E

On 16 April 2011 14:13, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Right
 Kleb... where are you???
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Allan Streib
Luther's Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net writes:

 I was hoping the wise MB mechanics would have some new suggestions to handle 
 AU+steel corrosion.

Your bike seat stem is made of gold?

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Non Cranking Mercedes was Non-Starting

2011-04-16 Thread OK Don
You could apply 12v across the relay coil and see if it works out of the
circuit. Also measure to verify that the relay coil is getting 12v when the
key is in the start position.

Does it start with the jumper in place?

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Robert Massmann
rmassm...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 I checked the relay out cleaned contact and found that there was a
 disconnect between the relay contact and the exit pin 87 of the relay.  I
 fixed that with a jumper wire between the conact and the pin. I reinstalled
 the relay but found that the relay is not closing, not sure why yet so I am
 closing the contact with a jumper wire. I think this circuit only gets power
 when the key is turned to the start position.

 Bob Massmann


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[MBZ] delivery valve seals

2011-04-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have several cars I need to do delivery valve seals on.  
Starting with a 84 190D.  I  have that one tore all the way down 
to removing the pump elements and will finish that tomorrow.  All 
I have on hand right now is the rubber o rings.  Is there anything 
else I need while I am at it.  I seem to recall some talk about 
replacing the copper washers also but I dont have them so I hope I 
can just reuse them.  I have ordered the o rings from rusty 
several times but never did get around to the job till now, and I 
could not find the last ones I ordered but I did find a set of 5, 
when I know the last couple of times I ordered were sets of 6 for 
603's.  I hope these are not for a 617 or soment, I cant imagine I 
would have ordered a set of 5 for one of those so I am thinking 
they are for a 602.


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[MBZ] How to unplug NSS

2011-04-16 Thread glenn brown

Guys,
I finally located the neutral safety switch on my '84 300D.  Now, how do I 
unplug the bloody thing?  I've tried prying it with a couple screwdrivers to no 
avail.  TIA.
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC   
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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Mountain Man
Kleb - approve this attachment...
mao
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Re: [MBZ] How to unplug NSS

2011-04-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

You have to rotate that white part around to unlock it.

On 4/16/2011 12:56 PM, glenn brown wrote:

Guys,
I finally located the neutral safety switch on my '84 300D.  Now, how do I 
unplug the bloody thing?  I've tried prying it with a couple screwdrivers to no 
avail.  TIA.

G. M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread E M
Cool.  I like the bobber rear fender.

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] delivery valve seals

2011-04-16 Thread OK Don
I hope so as well. I'm guessing that you do have the many splined socket for
the job?

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 I have several cars I need to do delivery valve seals on.  Starting with a
 84 190D.  I  have that one tore all the way down to removing the pump
 elements and will finish that tomorrow.  All I have on hand right now is the
 rubber o rings.  Is there anything else I need while I am at it.  I seem to
 recall some talk about replacing the copper washers also but I dont have
 them so I hope I can just reuse them.  I have ordered the o rings from rusty
 several times but never did get around to the job till now, and I could not
 find the last ones I ordered but I did find a set of 5, when I know the last
 couple of times I ordered were sets of 6 for 603's.  I hope these are not
 for a 617 or soment, I cant imagine I would have ordered a set of 5 for one
 of those so I am thinking they are for a 602.

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1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] delivery valve seals

2011-04-16 Thread Peter Frederick
You should get the copper seals, as the old ones usually don't re- 
seal all that well.  Better to wait and get new seals than do the job  
twice.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] How to unplug NSS

2011-04-16 Thread Peter Frederick

There is a lock ring you must rotate before you can pull the plug out.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] delivery valve seals

2011-04-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

yea i got yhat

On 4/16/2011 9:01 PM, OK Don wrote:

I hope so as well. I'm guessing that you do have the many splined socket for
the job?

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.netwrote:


I have several cars I need to do delivery valve seals on.  Starting with a
84 190D.  I  have that one tore all the way down to removing the pump
elements and will finish that tomorrow.  All I have on hand right now is the
rubber o rings.  Is there anything else I need while I am at it.  I seem to
recall some talk about replacing the copper washers also but I dont have
them so I hope I can just reuse them.  I have ordered the o rings from rusty
several times but never did get around to the job till now, and I could not
find the last ones I ordered but I did find a set of 5, when I know the last
couple of times I ordered were sets of 6 for 603's.  I hope these are not
for a 617 or soment, I cant imagine I would have ordered a set of 5 for one
of those so I am thinking they are for a 602.

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2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D,
http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] delivery valve seals

2011-04-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
seems like I did order the copper seals once too, I need to find 
all that stuff.


On 4/16/2011 9:05 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
You should get the copper seals, as the old ones usually don't 
re-seal all that well.  Better to wait and get new seals than do 
the job twice.


Peter

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 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D,
http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] delivery valve seals

2011-04-16 Thread Dieselhead

I change the DV springs, the copper washers and the orings.

I put the socket, the orings springs, copper washers, and the plastic 
clips for the injection lines all in one box, because when I need 
one, I need them all.


Kinda like keeping the mityVac, vacuum Ts, plugs, line, etc all 
together in a box.



seems like I did order the copper seals once too, I need to find all 
that stuff.


On 4/16/2011 9:05 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
You should get the copper seals, as the old ones usually don't 
re-seal all that well.  Better to wait and get new seals than do 
the job twice.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] dissimilar metal corrosion

2011-04-16 Thread Luther's Benz
Argh, Al+steel. nbsp;Thanks for the reminder.

Luther
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On Apr 16, 2011 3:58 PM, Allan Streib lt;str...@cs.indiana.edugt; wrote: 

Luther's Benz lt;benz-n-h...@gulseth.netgt; writes:



gt; I was hoping the wise MB mechanics would have some new suggestions to 
handle AU+steel corrosion.



Your bike seat stem is made of gold?



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