Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
It's all about temperature rise and volume Dan On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:01:15 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not to veer off topic, but does anyone have experience with tankless hot water systems ( whole house) ? The

Re: [MBZ] OT: hot water

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
How about telling them that it's not convenient for them to do so? And if their meter is faulty it's up to them to repair or replace the meter without unduly inconveniencing you. Good luck! Greg To me, this sounds like the best course of action for the first shot. You want to sound

[MBZ] Wind Chill

2014-01-22 Thread Larry T
Hi Gang, with much of the the east coast blanketed in snow, low temps and high winds at times, the weathermen are talking a lot about windchill.I was wondering if inanimate objects are affected by windchill? The reason I ask is for the coolant protection levels. I am protected to

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Tim Crone
On Jan 21, 2014 10:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder whether it's 1 or 2 percent... There you go, confusing income and wealth. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] WHY PEOPLE MOVE TO FLORIDA

2014-01-22 Thread Larry T
There was a TV program showing how some MHs are tricked out for celebrities, NASCAR drivers and some for wealthy people interested in seeing N America - they go to extreme lengths to customize those coaches and usually make them easy for one person or couple to operate. There are even MH

Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
Hi Gang, with much of the the east coast blanketed in snow, low temps and high winds at times, the weathermen are talking a lot about windchill.I was wondering if inanimate objects are affected by windchill? The reason I ask is for the coolant protection levels. I am protected to -5F

Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill

2014-01-22 Thread Dwight Giles
Marshall said not years sgo. On Jan 22, 2014 6:02 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang, with much of the the east coast blanketed in snow, low temps and high winds at times, the weathermen are talking a lot about windchill.I was wondering if inanimate objects are affected

Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill

2014-01-22 Thread Tim Crone
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Should i worry about my engine and wind chill? BTW, I'm pretty sure the liquid in things like radiators with leaking coolant will feel the chill if being driven - but I'm not sure it's affected if there are no leaks.

Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill

2014-01-22 Thread Jim Cathey
I was wondering if inanimate objects are affected by windchill? Yes, and no. Anything above ambient air temperature is affected by windchill. If it weren't, we wouldn't bother putting fans on radiators, etc. Windchill is why we might block off a radiator to get better cabin heat in really cold

Re: [MBZ] Wind chill

2014-01-22 Thread Jim Cathey
Speaking of that, I just yesterday got an air velocity meter at the thrift shop. It works by measuring the wind chill on a heated probe. Range from about 2 feet/minute to 12,000 feet/minute, or 136 MPH, in three ranges. Seems to be working. It's intended for HVAC ducting measurements. I love

[MBZ] OT How not to land your airplane

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
http://vimeo.com/84713706 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
tax rate. On Jan 22, 2014 6:05 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Jan 21, 2014 10:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder whether it's 1 or 2 percent... There you go, confusing income and wealth. Best, Tim ___

Re: [MBZ] alternative to bumstercare(less)

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Your first step is to find a good doc. Second step is a good doc working at a good place with proper equipment, etc. Third step is a good doc in a good place very near a good hospital so if things go south you can get to a better place fast. --R On 1/21/14 10:51 PM,

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
M...no. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/369141/poor-down-l-times-kevin-d-williamson *The Los Angeles Times is one of the great scandals in American life — that the nation’s second-largest city should have such an inept newspaper is an indictment of American journalism.* *A particularly

Re: [MBZ] Wind chill

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:38:17 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Speaking of that, I just yesterday got an air velocity meter at the thrift shop. It works by measuring the wind chill on a heated probe. Range from about 2 feet/minute to 12,000 feet/minute, or 136 MPH, in three

Re: [MBZ] Wind chill

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
They have circuitry to keep the temperature (or resistance) of the hot wire at a certain level with more current as the air flows past, and all that correlates to how much heat is being removed by the airflow (science!), which correlates to the speed of the air flow (the wind chill, sorta).

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
M...no. It has been the case that the major city newsprint rags are socialist propaganda and have been for 50-60 years. No surprise that the LAT, WP or NYT or whatever is printing baseless propaganda. Except for maybe an article about rhododendrons it is all propaganda, an much of it

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
You know, that sorta raises a point I saw made some years ago that Walmart has done more to help poverty in America than the $20.7T spent on the war on poverty over the last 50 years (agree or disagree, I don't care, I find that assertion interesting on many levels). I think about that in

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 10:53:08 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Now you go to Wallyworld and a pair or Levi's is $20 or so, so in real $$ terms, that is maybe half the cost or maybe much less than back then? (gas was $0.25/gal cf. now $3/gal, bread was $0.25 a loaf,

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
We stayed at this little place near the San Jose airport in Costa Rica that had a water heater mounted on the shower head, which hung from a hose from the ceiling and the heater was in-line with the hose, and had a wire running to a plug on the wall. You had to start the water then reach up

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Jim Cathey
For my application, another factor at the ranch, which is rather remote, is fuel usage of a tank type to keep a tank of water hot full time [often no one is there] My family's beach cabin gets its water heater turned off when no one's there. In winter, the water lines are drained too.

Re: [MBZ] Wind chill

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
That makes sense, I probably knew that at some time in the past. --R On 1/22/14 11:16 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: There is some aspect to do with the temperature of the airflow, I forget what it is. The temperature of the unheated body of the probe is also measured, and subtracted out by the

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread G Mann
It's all about temperature rise and volume Dan Exactly. I believe my tank less experience is satisfying because I took all the available data and factored it into my selection in advance. Including the length and volume of water line from the tank less heater to the use points in the

Re: [MBZ] Wind chill

2014-01-22 Thread Jim Cathey
There is some aspect to do with the temperature of the airflow, I forget what it is. The temperature of the unheated body of the probe is also measured, and subtracted out by the circuitry. (Wheatstone bridge, one bottom leg is the body thermistor, the other bottom leg is the heated sensor.

Re: [MBZ] OT: hot water

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 21/01/2014 9:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Well, the weather is heading toward zero so I am happy no one knows how much NG I am consuming... I can claim the thermostat is set at a toasty 55 degrees F ( 3 of Randy's degrees). How about 12.77 degrees C? Randy

Re: [MBZ] OT: hot water

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 21/01/2014 7:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: How about telling them that it's not convenient for them to do so? And if their meter is faulty it's up to them to repair or replace the meter without unduly inconveniencing you. Good luck! Greg To me, this sounds like the best course of action for

Re: [MBZ] HWT

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 21/01/2014 5:44 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Mountain Man wrote: Dieselhead wrote: The gas co technician that came to my daughter's house told her the best/most cost effective water heaters are the old ones and she should do everything she can to keep it going. I don't think it holds true

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: And no one is talking about using a solar heater to get your tank warmed up so the electric just adds the last bit of oomph if you even need it. I think you can still get tax credits on those things, and they pretty much amount to a panel,

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
In various rich versus poor discussions I wonder why no one ever mentions Malthus? His /An Essay on the Principle of Population http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_Population/ observed that sooner or later population will be checked by famine

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
On 22/01/2014 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: And no one is talking about using a solar heater to get your tank warmed up so the electric just adds the last bit of oomph if you even need it. I think you can still get tax credits on those things, and they pretty much amount to a panel,

[MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Hopped in the '84 190D this morning to commute as the Jetta is still in the shop. It started hard but at -8F thats not entirely unexpected. I got about 400 yards when it quit. It'll restart if I hold the go pedal to the floor but wont stay running. I suspect what with our huge temp fluctuations

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
We stayed at this little place near the San Jose airport in Costa Rica that had a water heater mounted on the shower head, which hung from a hose from the ceiling and the heater was in-line with the hose, and had a wire running to a plug on the wall. You had to start the water then reach up

Re: [MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread G Mann
I would suspect that at -8 degrees you have reached the fuel gell point for #2 diesel. Further, I suspect, you got enough liquid fuel to fire off the engine and make low speed .. but any demand above that and the engine reaches fuel starvation. I could be wrong.. bring the car closer to the

Re: [MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
Hopped in the '84 190D this morning to commute as the Jetta is still in the shop. It started hard but at -8F thats not entirely unexpected. I got about 400 yards when it quit. It'll restart if I hold the go pedal to the floor but wont stay running. I suspect what with our huge temp

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
In various rich versus poor discussions I wonder why no one ever mentions Malthus? His /An Essay on the Principle of Population He thought that the dangers of population growth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth precluded progress towards a utopian

[MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
Anyone close to here? I ask because I have a lead on a C3 Star code reader but the seller won't ship... Drop me a PM if you are. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 11:32 AM, Dieselhead wrote: On 22/01/2014 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: And no one is talking about using a solar heater to get your tank warmed up so the electric just adds the last bit of oomph if you even need it. I think you can still get tax credits on those things, and

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Anyone close to here? I ask because I have a lead on a C3 Star code reader but the seller won't ship... Drop me a PM if you are. Thanks, Dan Send courier to pick up from him? Not much different than if you go to his door. Randy

Re: [MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 11:44 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Hopped in the '84 190D this morning to commute as the Jetta is still in the shop. It started hard but at -8F thats not entirely unexpected. I got about 400 yards when it quit. It'll restart if I hold the go pedal to the floor but wont stay running. I

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
I remember reading that the payoff on photovoltaic solar was dubious at best and in the 30 year time frame while for solar hot water it was more like 7-10 years making solar hot water a really good investment. They're showing up all over the place near us lately. We have tankless hydronic heat

Re: [MBZ] HWT

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Thats how warranty works. The manufacturer calculates how long they expect 80% of the devices to last and sets that as the warranty period. Because of that when a warranty period ends you should expect the failure rate to rise. If you want longer life buy a unit with a longer warranty. The

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
He doesn't want the hassle of packing, shipping, potential for damage, etc. A courier isn't going to pack it up Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/01/2014 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Anyone close to here? I ask because

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
We're doing something similar at camp. I've got a 20 gallon pressure tank from my parent's house. I'm going to hang it on the side of the shower house, paint it black. The pump is on a little trailer that we can hook behind the generator which gets hooked behind the Cub Cadet. Run down to the

Re: [MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
I thought that at first too but I can see a couple little bubbles in the clear filter and it I tap the filter they move around good, no sign of thickening there. Plus its been this cold a couple times already and the car started good and ran good. The fact that it won't stay running now makes

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
I'll be in Burbank in a couple weeks (Feb 2 - 12). Its almost 2 hours down, if he'd meet somewhere I'd be up to it. I have friends in Anaheim or right by LAX if you could get him to drop it off somewhere like that. They'll ship for me if I ask. Actually best case if you could get him to

Re: [MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
I was just thinking I've got some kerosene in the garage that I could mix in which would fix gelling too. Still think I'm gonna go with Power Service though. Save my kero for the Aladdin lamp in case the power goes out. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:57:36 -0600 From: Randy Bennell

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Tim Crone
On Jan 22, 2014 10:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: tax rate. ...Is a factor of income, not wealth. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 12:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: We're doing something similar at camp. I've got a 20 gallon pressure tank from my parent's house. I'm going to hang it on the side of the shower house, paint it black. The pump is on a little trailer that we can hook behind the generator which gets

Re: [MBZ] HWT

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 12:03 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Thats how warranty works. The manufacturer calculates how long they expect 80% of the devices to last and sets that as the warranty period. Because of that when a warranty period ends you should expect the failure rate to rise. If you want longer

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
Could likely use some of the plastic barrels that are regularely offered around here for anywhere from free to $10 each. Good solid 40 gallon barrels that originally held some sort of liquid soap. Paint them black and fill them up. Randy ___

Re: [MBZ] HWT

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
They are the same units, you are just paying for a warranty! --R On 1/22/14 2:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 22/01/2014 12:03 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Thats how warranty works. The manufacturer calculates how long they expect 80% of the devices to last and sets that as the warranty period.

Re: [MBZ] HWT

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
I don't think they are identical. Probably just a bit heavier coating of glass on the inside to prevent rust killing them a bit sooner. Randy On 22/01/2014 1:35 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: They are the same units, you are just paying for a warranty! --R On 1/22/14 2:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

Re: [MBZ] HWT

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, some years ago the company I worked for, and one of my buddies, did a lot of work with heating equipment manufacturers (including water heaters) regarding efficiency and that is what they told him when he was selecting units to be sent for testing. Mostly a marketing scam. Now that

Re: [MBZ] HWT

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 1:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Well, some years ago the company I worked for, and one of my buddies, did a lot of work with heating equipment manufacturers (including water heaters) regarding efficiency and that is what they told him when he was selecting units to be sent for

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
Are you sure a courier won't do it? I know here in the office, that if we don't have the special envelope, they will bring it with them. They might do the same with a box. Randy On 22/01/2014 12:02 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: He doesn't want the hassle of packing, shipping, potential for damage,

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Have him drop it at one of those mailing places, Kinkos or the Office Depots or mailbox etc. places, they will box it and ship it for some nominal fee. Just call them with a CC and be done with it. Why he could not do that is a question. I think UPS will pick it up at his place if he puts

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread WILTON
Courier/UPS/FedEx has pouch or box ready for it; rings doorbell; seller hands courier the item; courier drops item in pouch/box; seals it; hands seller shipping receipt; item's on the way. What else? Wilt - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
It's a laptop, a bunch of cables and a MUX (multiplexer). Not the sort of things you can just dump in a box and expect to make it to the destination intact. Dan On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:44 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Courier/UPS/FedEx has pouch or box ready for it; rings doorbell;

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread WILTON
Yep; was wondering 'bout that. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA? It's a laptop, a bunch of cables and a MUX (multiplexer). Not the

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
But, with that in mind, I just asked if he would be willing to drop everything off at a UPS or FedEx store, and I can have them pack and ship... Thanks, everybody! Sometimes the obvious isn't... Dan On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:52 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yep; was wondering 'bout that.

[MBZ] OT on global icing

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
or whatever off-topic global warming/climatehopeychangey thing you want to call it http://gizmodo.com/a-map-of-the-mile-thick-ice-sheet-that-made-modern-manh-1506501057/@sarah-hedgecock So why did the ice retreat? Why did it form to begin with? why so much climate change? --R

Re: [MBZ] OT: hot water

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
More truthful but way less funnier, depending on one's sense of humor. We are basking in Winnipeg-esque temperatures here in D.C. Well below your zero, approaching -15 C tonight. And, we got 4.5 inches (923 mm) of snow yesterday - our first measurable snowfall in 2 years! On Wed, Jan 22,

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Walmart is able to charge so litle because it pays its workers so little. Many of them are on public assistance to make ends meet because WM doesn't pay them a living wage. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Jan 22, 2014 10:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] alternative to bumstercare(less)

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
The DC area is lousy with great docs and great hospitals. To paraphrase a famous Klingon expression, This is a good place to die - later. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Your first step is to find a good doc. Second step is a good doc

Re: [MBZ] Wind chill

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I bought a super slick noise meter on ebay for around $30 delivered. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: That makes sense, I probably knew that at some time in the past. --R On 1/22/14 11:16 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: There is some aspect

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Sounds like the redistribution of wealth that is being touted heavily -- wealthy taxpayers support lower-wage workers, plenty of workers who will take the jobs, what's not to like? Who's the fool? Wally has it figured out and the sheeple and their representatives willfully go along with it.

Re: [MBZ] alternative to bumstercare(less)

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Soon to be another joining them! On 1/22/14 4:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The DC area is lousy with great docs and great hospitals. To paraphrase a famous Klingon expression, This is a good place to die - later. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: But, with that in mind, I just asked if he would be willing to drop everything off at a UPS or FedEx store, and I can have them pack and ship... I once bought a turntable on ebay. The seller not only didn't have the shipping supports for the platter, he didn't know

Re: [MBZ] OT: hot water

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Snow is a solvent on the glue of society in the DC area. You got a coupla days off though, right? --R On 1/22/14 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And, we got 4.5 inches (923 mm) of snow yesterday - our first measurable snowfall in 2 years! ___

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Not sure what to make of all this discussion, inasmuch as a lot pertains to electric heaters. We have a 50 gallon, 12 year old Sears NG tank. I like the idea of preheating the water into the NG tank using an electric tankless unit. Does everyone agree this will be the

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:24:23 -0500 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: He thought that the dangers of population growth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth precluded progress towards a utopian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia society: The power of

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:48:43 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what to make of all this discussion, inasmuch as a lot pertains to electric heaters. We have a 50 gallon, 12 year old Sears NG tank. I like the idea of preheating the water into the NG tank using an

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating [was: Re: Coleman collectors WAS: low cost 3D metal printer]

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
IIRC the thermostat is set way high, but I will double check. I might have lowered it too much. If I did, then D'OH to me. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Not sure what to make of all this discussion, inasmuch as a lot

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Rich, I hope you are happy that your tax dollars are helping WM employees by funding their demand on welfare, SNAP, and other government programs. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:24:23 -0500 arche...@embarqmail.com

Re: [MBZ] OT: hot water

2014-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
1 day + 2 hours. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Snow is a solvent on the glue of society in the DC area. You got a coupla days off though, right? --R On 1/22/14 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And, we got 4.5 inches (923 mm)

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:32:56 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I have hat thoughts of putting an old range boiler tank in the attic (horizontally) at the lake cottage and then feeding from it to the water heater as a preheater. Or, just using a pipe strung under the rafters for

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
I did much the same in our house in Indianapolis. My youngest son's bedroom was on the second floor as far away from the water heater as you could get. While I couldn't reach up to his bathroom, I ran a loop in the hot water supply line to the point where the line went up into the wall cavity

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:26:47 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Could likely use some of the plastic barrels that are regularely offered around here for anywhere from free to $10 each. Good solid 40 gallon barrels that originally held some sort of liquid soap. Paint them black and

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
I have installed a thermal siphon like that as part of my ongoing upper bath remodel. I ran pex in a loop from the hwt to the 2nd floor bath and back to the basement to a T at the base of the hwt. Not sure how well it works as I don't have that bath operational as yet. Currently doing the tile

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 4:48 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:26:47 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Could likely use some of the plastic barrels that are regularely offered around here for anywhere from free to $10 each. Good solid 40 gallon barrels that originally held some sort

[MBZ] shipping from carlsbad ca

2014-01-22 Thread Rick Hawkins Java
send the guy a padded box for the computer etc with a prepaid label could be mail or fedex that's what apple does for repairs they send you the empty box to return a machine in for repair thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:50:14 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Apparently these use power as the water cools somewhat on its way around the loop so it remains to be seen if the cost of the heating exceeds the savings from not running water down the drain while waiting for the hot

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: But the propane use is normally under one tank per year. If we don't use the tank, we have to pay for a full tank anyway. Sounds like time to start shopping for a tank of your own. I like my providers' policy. If I don't buy 500 gallons between July 1 and June 30, they

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
I insulated all the hot water lines (copper) in that house. As I mentioned before, the hot water consumption for a family of four (with two teenage/early 20s boys) was something like $12-$18/month using natural gas. At least that was what our bill averaged in the summertime. Dan On Jan 22,

Re: [MBZ] shipping from carlsbad ca

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff
I've been the recipient of a few of those Apple boxes. HP does the same. Dan On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: send the guy a padded box for the computer etc with a prepaid label could be mail or fedex that's what apple does for repairs they send you the empty

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
I am! It is my civic duty! And it helps assuage my white guilt! I care more than anyone! --R On 1/22/14 5:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Rich, I hope you are happy that your tax dollars are helping WM employees by funding their demand on welfare, SNAP, and other government programs.

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:57:01 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 22/01/2014 4:48 PM, Craig wrote: But would you want to drink water from one of those barrels? No but I don't generally drink warm water anyway. At the lake, I try to stick to cold beer. Good idea! (I don't

Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill

2014-01-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Wind chill is simply rate of cooling, it does not change the actual temperature at all. It is a feels like, not a real measurement. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Almost certainly wax in the fuel. Some warmth and fuel treatment will fix you right up. I put a bottle of RedLine in the 300D since I don't have the TE as a backup until my niece's car is repaired. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell
On 22/01/2014 5:25 PM, Craig wrote: I assume these barrels could withstand the pressure of the water system. That's a big assumption, depending upon your pressure. Kind of like my vacuum-cleaner powered oil change sucker collapsing its plastic oil receptacle, only inverse. Pump is down at

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
On 1/22/2014 5:20 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:24:23 -0500 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: He thought that the dangers of population growth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth precluded progress towards a utopian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia

Re: [MBZ] OT on global icing

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:57:45 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: or whatever off-topic global warming/climatehopeychangey thing you want to call it http://gizmodo.com/a-map-of-the-mile-thick-ice-sheet-that-made-modern-manh-1506501057 Really amazing, isn't it?

Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA?

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
- Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carlsbad, CA? It's a laptop, a bunch of cables and a MUX (multiplexer). Not the sort of things you can just dump in a

Re: [MBZ] OT on global icing

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
or whatever off-topic global warming/climatehopeychangey thing you want to call it http://gizmodo.com/a-map-of-the-mile-thick-ice-sheet-that-made-modern-manh-1506501057/@sarah-hedgecock So why did the ice retreat? Why did it form to begin with? why so much climate change? --R Yep.

Re: [MBZ] And the hits just keep on coming

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
I thought that at first too but I can see a couple little bubbles in the clear filter and it I tap the filter they move around good, no sign of thickening there. Plus its been this cold a couple times already and the car started good and ran good. The fact that it won't stay running now makes

[MBZ] 190D update

2014-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Stopped and got a bottle of Power Service (white bottle) on the way home from work, put 16oz (it calls for 8oz per 25 gal of fuel) in the tank and cranked 'er. It started momentarily and died. Further cranking produced a few pops but nothing exciting. Swapped the canister fuel filter, primed

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Craig
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:01:52 -0500 arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I'm surprised at your using personal insults in these discussions, Craig. Are you having a bad day? You are correct, Gerry, that was uncalled for. I'm sorry. Thank you for calling me on it. Craig

Re: [MBZ] Water Heating

2014-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
Dieselhead wrote: But the propane use is normally under one tank per year. If we don't use the tank, we have to pay for a full tank anyway. Sounds like time to start shopping for a tank of your own. I like my providers' policy. If I don't buy 500 gallons between July 1 and June 30, they bill

Re: [MBZ] 190D update

2014-01-22 Thread Scott Ritchey
As a diagnostic, you could try sticking the feed hose to the small fuel filter into a small container of known-good clean fuel. If your car has one, pump the manual priming pump to purge any air and then try to start it. Is there a chance you have an air leak, especially upstream of the lift

Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth

2014-01-22 Thread Scott Ritchey
At some level (individual, company, country, world), the value of what you produce must exceed the value of what you consume. That's Economics 000. In even more simple terms, you can't consume something until someone has produced it. The concept that pay should be based on an employees' need vs

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