Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> David wrote: > Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions: > > 1 - Off and steering lock > 2 - Accessories > 3 - Run > > The key turns about halfway to the first detent (position 2), > but not nearly far enough to push in the wire and extricate the > cylinder. If it

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1988 Mercedes 420 SEL 4.2 V8

2019-07-15 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I bought one like that for $200 and a beater with a supposedly good engine for another $200.  So that's a $200 car. On 7/14/19 11:58 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Pahtz? -- Forwarded message - From: Date: Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 8:51 PM Subject: 1988 Mercedes 420 SEL

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2002 500 sl

2019-07-15 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
The first Mercedes 4-door coupé --FT On 7/15/19 12:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Huh, the rare four-door hard top stretched version of the SL. You don't see many of those... -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

2019-07-15 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes me too. We never had a finnie. Jaime it's on you now. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 12:36 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yeah and I was hoping he would bring it to the Q sometime! Boo. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 15, 2019,

Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

2019-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It will go to BaT with a reasonable reserve, but I would hope it would end up north of $10k. -D > On Jul 15, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > We need to dig out the estimates and see who the winner is when it sells. > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:39:54 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > David wrote: > > > Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions: > > > > 1 - Off and steering lock > > 2 - Accessories > > 3 - Run > > > > The key turns about halfway to the first detent (position 2), > > but

Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

2019-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 14/07/2019 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I think this is one that was built during the Ford ownership. My brother had one from about this time frame, and it was amazingly reliable for a Jaguar. I gave him a lot of crap about buying it, but pretty much ended up eating my words as

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I don't think your problem can be the lock. The wafers retract or they don't. When they retract they either move enough to turn the lock or they don't, theres no way for the lock to open partially. I think your lock cylinder is working correctly and something beyond it is binding up... -Curt

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> It almost feels like the mechanism that prevents you from activating the > starter twice without turning the key to off first. And it may well be that, which is part of the electrical switch. It's an easy test: two 8mm bolts release the switch from the back of the lock assembly. Remove it

Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

2019-07-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
We need to dig out the estimates and see who the winner is when it sells. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 10:52 AM: Do I not recall a declaration that you intended to keep this car long term? We were all suggesting it would not be around for long but you were telling us we were

[MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

2019-07-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
With an equally soporific palomino interior. I get drowsy just looking at the photos. Yet I must be in the minority judging by the auction frenzy https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300d-turbo-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-07-15

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
normally that is "wiggle the steering wheel to get the bind off the steering lock", but David said the steering was unlocked.   I'd guess it is still a wafer hung up. fmiser via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 3:39 AM: David wrote: Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions: 1

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:01:21 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > I don't remember, what position does the key need to be for tumbler > removal? I thought it was the first, which means your [you're] ok. Here is a picture of the W123 lock. Craig > > On July 14, 2019 11:44:45 PM EDT,

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

2019-07-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I planned on restoring this as best as possible and if the market permitted, leverage it to find one in better condition. The market permits. I’ll see if I can get BaT money for it then go looking for another, better example. -D > On Jul 15, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Maybe it's 3 bolts/screws, it's been so long... And for me, never on a 116. But 116 and 107 share a lot of things, and I have done this on a 107. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

[MBZ] W123 300TD rear w/s washer hose R/R

2019-07-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I need to repalce the rear wiper hose on my '83 300TD wagon as it is leaking. Anyone BTDT? My local advisor (former MB tech) says it is a very tricky job that the dealer techs used to hate doing, as in: 1) the hose winds its way through the hinge grommet, 2) must remove headliner, and 3) it's

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
I believe that's also the case on the 116. Sigh. On 15 July 2019, Max wrote: > >On a 124 car, one must be able to turn the key to position 1 (FSM section >46-8110) in order to remove the electrical switch from the back of the >ignition. > >Maybe a 116 is different?

Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

2019-07-15 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Pretty good money for a sedan. At least it had new half shafts. I keep wondering where the value is though. No mention of rebuilt head, new steering box, new transmission, or rebuilt turbo. All are wear items at that mileage. I was impressed that he got the vac pods out without removing the dash

Re: [MBZ] strange data usage

2019-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 19:59:14 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Well, last week was patching week. Yes, but 87 billion bytes? How many devices running Windoze do you have online, Kaleb? What else do you do with the 'Net to consume that much bandwidth? We use only 652.3 megabytes in a day of

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
The SD had that issue, sort of. There is the end of the tumbler that fits into a sliding switch mechanism once you turn the key. The SD had somehow buggered that up, so that it would not disengage the steering lock and allow the key to turn. I had to get the tumbler out to see if a flat head

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
I was able to get the key to do one last turn by flushing the lock with Tri-Flow and running the jiggly sander on the key for five to ten minutes over a four day period. It finally got one last good turn. At that point you want to remove the tumbler and make haste to your most trusted

Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

2019-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 15/07/2019 3:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: Pretty good money for a sedan. At least it had new half shafts. I keep wondering where the value is though. No mention of rebuilt head, new steering box, new transmission, or rebuilt turbo. All are wear items at that mileage. I was

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 15/07/2019 3:45 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: I was able to get the key to do one last turn by flushing the lock with Tri-Flow and running the jiggly sander on the key for five to ten minutes over a four day period. It finally got one last good turn. At that point you want to

Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

2019-07-15 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
The Finny project seemed like quite a fun and rewarding project! It was quite enjoyable to follow along as it progressed. How much would you value your total with purchase price, parts and time to improve it to present condition? I get the same enjoyment in my RC car hobby with building up

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
On my '95 cabriolet, I cut apart the lock housing with a Dremel tool, because a thief had pretty much destroyed the ignition lock and no way to get the key to turn. Once the dash parts around the steering column were removed, and the steering column loosened so it dropped down to grant more

Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

2019-07-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Randy wrote: > ... they have the money to buy toys. They need a mathematics refresher course. 24-years and 1982 do not get to 2019. tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
A fellow I supplied with a bunch of my spare R107 parts for his rebuild of a 1972 SL had to unbunggle many bits. One was the ignition from a w124. I had a quartet of the obsolete ignition switches he took with. clay > On Jul 15, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I'm not sure a new cylinder is usually required. I don't really see how they go "bad". I'd bet many were replaced which were merely cruddy inside. A good locksmith should be able to clean/refurbish a lock cylinder. Might have to replace some of the springs, I often stretched 'em getting them

Re: [MBZ] Manilla beige '82 300D on BAT

2019-07-15 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
The thing is that car is more than half worn out. It may keep clattering along for another 100k before the tranny is totally shot, and a lot of rubber looks like it was replaced, but the steering is going to be loose and the motor may need work. Turn signal stalk may go, no cruise, yada yada. On

Re: [MBZ] OT electric motor assembly

2019-07-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:18:29 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > A couple years ago I took apart the well pump motor to replace bearings, > and now I've got bearings and I'm ready to put it all back together. > > However, too many parts and not enough memory of how they all fit back >

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Ugh. On 7/15/19, fmiser wrote: > > David wrote: >> >> Sorry, I gave a rather confusing account. There are 3 positions: >> >> 1 - Off and steering lock >> 2 - Accessories >> 3 - Run >> >> The key turns about halfway to the first detent (position 2), >> but not nearly far enough to push in the

Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Tempting

2019-07-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yeah and I was hoping he would bring it to the Q sometime! Boo. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On 14/07/2019 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> I think this is one that was built during the Ford ownership. My brother had

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I've not been into a 116. On the 123, it is 3 small screws.  It probably is the 2 bolts on the 116 as Jim sez. Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 7/15/19 12:48 PM: It almost feels like the mechanism that prevents you from activating the starter twice without turning the key to off first. And

Re: [MBZ] 79 300SD W116 - the dreaded "key won't turn" situation

2019-07-15 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
On a 124 car, one must be able to turn the key to position 1 (FSM section 46-8110) in order to remove the electrical switch from the back of the ignition. Maybe a 116 is different? - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:49 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>