Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 11:11 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > Cataracts, anyone? > Nah, I prefer Mercedeses. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 20:07:03 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > So does my SL500. The systems were IR until 98, I think, when they > changed to RF. > > Again, if the emitter is weak or the receivers are not working well, or > their plastic lenses are cloudy, it won’t work from a distance of

Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-09 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>So does my SL500. The systems were IR until 98, I think, when they changed to >RF. My W210 has both RF and IR receivers. The RF does the door locks, trunk, and panic functions. The IR rolls  the windows and sunroof up and down when aimed at the door handle receiver. IR also operates the

Re: [MBZ] OT: WTF is Boeing on?

2019-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
In the good old days,, you had to hire hookers with a couple bottles of high grade scotch to compromise the Captain and CoPilot to let you into the cockpit to high jack the airplane... now couple of lines of code and it's yours A the joys of the modern paperless world. On Fri,

Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 22:37:17 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Back in the day, we had an incentive program to make good progress in > school. Oddly enough it was called Selective Service. We had that one, too, as well has having a high-enough draft number. Craig

Re: [MBZ] Lifter Noise

2019-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Since you described the problem, I did several searches on the internet. Based on the search results, it seems hydraulic lifters are a known issue failure point for the engine, or at least one that is sensitive to oil viscosity and wear, as a combination. So, my thoughts are, based on what you've

Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

2019-08-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
The red connector is for the SRS / Airbags, so don't touch that one. I would start with the two on the far left side, unplug both of those and see if the central locking system still works. If yes, then check to see if the current drain behavior has been fixed. - Max Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I still don't think you understand how the 5w part of the rating works. It's a 40w oil that resists thickening when it's cold. At 100C it's much thinner than it is when cold after all. The Delvac 1 everybody used to crow about was 5w40... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Aug

[MBZ] TOUGHNUT

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/559281967937299/ -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

[MBZ] the car is not for sale

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I'm having a hard time understanding this https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2383114491958669/ -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

[MBZ] Interesting discussion on this nice 300SD

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Looks like someone bought it now selling it again.  Nice car though. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd-8/ -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] Surprise might be an emotion you feel

2019-08-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I had no idea that engine was available in S class. Interesting. Wish it were the straight six instead. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:41 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >

[MBZ] OT who was into old printing presses and such?

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Letterpress type https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/338835237004552/ $300 Approximately 80 letterpress type fonts with 4 cabinets. Condition Used - Good Brand Letterpress -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
You don't understand or don't trust the winter viscosity rating. There is NOTHING WRONG with 0W or 5W oil in our old indirect injection engines. Let's start with 15W50 M1. At 100°C, its viscosity is 18 cSt. If we could make an oil that was 18 cSt at 100C and 18 cSt at 0C, we'd have the perfect

Re: [MBZ] Lifter Noise

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Excellent. I was thinking along those lines as well, not quite that vividly, but 15 w 40 is going in shortly and I will be listening for lifter Noise. Thanks to all. Nothing is quite as invigorating as a good oil thread. Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2019, at 11:20 PM, G Mann via

[MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Ohm my God: If you let anyone other than Apple replace your recent iPhone's battery, expect to be nagged by iOS Shocking current-affairs news: Cupertino idiot-tax operation hits resistance over harsh repair policy Apple appears to be discouraging owners of recent iPhones from having device

[MBZ] OT: WTF is Boeing on?

2019-08-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
WTF is Boeing on? Not just customer databases lying around on the web. 787 jetliner code, too, security bugs and all Fears of cyber-hijackings? That's plane crazy, says Dreamliner maker A Black Hat presentation on how to potentially hijack a 787 – by exploiting bugs found in internal code

Re: [MBZ] OT: Aviation Technology

2019-08-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Fun read! - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:09 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Recent patent activity raises questions about current military technology: > > > > < >

[MBZ] hmmmm... could be simple issue?

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Seller sez: "I was told it was the acceleration sensor- it won’t shift gears, just stays in first." https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2950947908279706 $700, errr $500, and new connector or conductor plate?  Barring that pull the $500E300 drive train... I've asked her for some more

Re: [MBZ] the car is not for sale

2019-08-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 09/08/2019 8:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding this https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2383114491958669/ simple - you cannot buy the whole car - he wants to sell parts ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

2019-08-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:22:06 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > The red connector is for the SRS / Airbags, so don't touch that one. > > I would start with the two on the far left side, unplug both of those > and see if the central locking system still works. If yes, then check > to see

Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-09 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
AK Governor Dunleavy went on a budget gutting spree. Told each selected agency how much he wanted them to cut their spending. The university system spent their time sniveling in hopes somehow the cash would magically show up. It did not. Now the three universities are having to come under

Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I went out for a beer and bite with a buddy the other evening, he is a retired USAir pilot.  We were talking about this sort of thing, I made the point that pilots have a vested interest in it as they are usually the first ones at the scene, being in the very pointy end of the airplane.  He

Re: [MBZ] hmmmm... could be simple issue?

2019-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On August 9, 2019 at 11:16 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > $700, errr $500, and new connector or conductor plate?  Barring that > pull the $500E300 drive train... Whatever it is (I don't do failbook), if it's a 722.6, it's in 2nd, not first, and almost surely electrical

Re: [MBZ] Interesting discussion on this nice 300SD

2019-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Nice, but $19k plus BAT fees seems excessive. Should we do a wagering pool on how much he'll lose in the sale? Mitch. > On August 9, 2019 at 10:17 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Looks like someone bought it now selling it again.  Nice car though. > >

Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curt wrote: > I still don't think you understand how the 5w part of the rating > works. It's a 40w oil that resists thickening when it's cold. Other way around. It's a 5w oil that doesn't thin as much as it gets hot. Until the VI breaks down and it becomes a 5W oil. Admittedly not prone to

[MBZ] I shouldn't have sold my '70 280SEC 3.5

2019-08-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
It was nicer (moss green) than this one, though still not perfect. Stupid money for a car that doesn't deserve it. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280se-3-5-3/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-08-08 ___

Re: [MBZ] OT: WTF is Boeing on?

2019-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Just when you start to relax after the anal probe by TSA at flight check in, the Captain announces on the intercom the airplane is under control of deep web hackers and we are being flown into a mountain at Mach .9 ... please put your seats and tray tables in the upright position... Investigator:

[MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Last week I thought I had locked the SL with the IR remote that shines at receivers on the doors and trunk.  They have red and green lights that blink red when it locks, green when it unlocks. I have noticed that the lights don't all work, a green on one, a red on another, I think neither on

Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That would be the “Jetaway 200”. Had one in my 1962 Cadillac Fleetwood. -D > On Aug 9, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Whale oil was used in the transmission, specifically GM Hydramatics and > derivatives as a friction modifier and anti-oxidant. > > Not as much

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Do NOT, under any circumstances, ever put photos in iPhoto -- never heard anything good about that program. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Probably the main reason the Caddy tended to get 10 mpg while the Chrysler Imperial got 25. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I do use the phone camera for documenting my airplane build for the FAA - it's good enough, handy, and I don't have the Nikon in the shop with flying bits of steel and welding going on. On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Nikon D3300 for all

Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Peter wrote: > I think that's backwards -- 5W-40 is a 5 wt oil at cold temps > that retains the viscosity of a 40W oil at high temps. Thanks for trimming your post! But you trimmed too much. *smiles* If you are replying to Curt, correct. If you are replying to my reply to Curt you should be

[MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
> > Curt wrote: > > I still don't think you understand how the 5w part of the rating > > works. It's a 40w oil that resists thickening when it's cold. > Fmiser wrote: > Other way around. It's a 5w oil that doesn't thin as much as it > gets hot. Until the VI breaks down and it becomes a 5W

Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Whale oil was used in the transmission, specifically GM Hydramatics and derivatives as a friction modifier and anti-oxidant. Not as much of an issue in Ford and Chrysler trannies as they used higher operating pressures with far less slip, and never had fluid couplings -- the old Dual Range

Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

2019-08-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
My 124 wagon came with the alarm disconnected, my '95 sedan still has an operational alarm, although it will drain the battery if it sits for a couple of weeks. I just pull fuses or disconnect the battery if I know I'm going to let that car sit. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Aug 9,

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The main issue is removing the image to another program. Usually very very difficult to do from what I've heard, and that's not acceptable to me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT: WTF is Boeing on?

2019-08-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
THE SLOPPINESS OF BOEING'S SOFTWARE SEEMS TO BE TYPICAL.  It does not engender confidence in being a passenger on either airbust or Boeing's newer equipment. archer75--- via Mercedes wrote on 8/9/19 7:22 AM: WTF is Boeing on? Not just customer databases lying around on the web. 787 jetliner

Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
What I am saying is from experience.    Mitch's theory is ok, but sometimes theories get blown to bits in the real world. In really cold weather, the 15W-50 is like molasses on a cold day, and makes for hard starting. My OM603s did OK with the 10-40 stuff, back when it was real M1 and had

Re: [MBZ] OT who was into old printing presses and such?

2019-08-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Rick Hawkins, probably down on Tybee Island this time of year? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On August 9, 2019 9:50:13 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >Letterpress type > >https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/338835237004552/ > >$300 > >Approximately 80 letterpress type fonts with

Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

2019-08-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 16:06:42 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > My 124 wagon came with the alarm disconnected, my '95 sedan still has an > operational alarm, although it will drain the battery if it sits for a > couple of weeks. I just pull fuses or disconnect the battery if I know > I'm

[MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are great. They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos. The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated PLASTIC molding with an opening of f2. Plenty of light on the teeny tiny sensor with

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Very true - I keep telling my kids to use the real camera instead of the phone, well two of them have DSLRs and use them frequently. I am continually surprised by the quality of the images from the Nikon D750 - not the most pixels, and not the most expensive, but very good. My printer only goes to

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I've been using the D3300 for "scanning" film -- resolution is equal to my film scanner and it's MUCH faster. Need to make some film holders so I can make multiple "scans" of my medium format films and stitch them together. Still not projection prints onto good silver base paper, but who

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Get one of Dan's 4s fones.  There usta be a free third party OS10 app that would pull pictures off any device you could plug into the computer USB.  I used it to get pictures of my motorola startacs.  Good ol VZWireless said the only way to get them was to pay them a huge fee per picture.  

Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
This one has an IR emitter you aim at these sensors on the door and trunk lock area, each of those has the red/green indicators to show un/locking.  It is a 600!  So it has to be more complicated! -_FT On 8/9/19 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: The key has an RFC chip in it, the

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
This is hardly new -- Jobs insisted that the cases on the Mac be nearly impossible to open so he could charge a huge amount to install the memory needed to run the OS. "Tech" has always been about fleecing the customer, at least as long as I've know about it. Ross Perot got rich selling

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I don't use the iPoo for email, it's just my phone and "always with me" camera. I was thinking I needed iTurds or iClowns to take files off the phone with the cable, I'll try that next. That wasn't so bad. I plugged it in, browsed the camera directory, and copied it all in seconds. But to do

Re: [MBZ] OT: Whale Oil and Castor Oil: was: Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Wrong. The Caddy would get nearly 20 mpg on the highway. Low to mid teens around town, but it sipped fuel for a 5,000 pound car on the highway. -D > On Aug 9, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Probably the main reason the Caddy tended to get 10 mpg while the

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I used to use TechPan for aerial photos due to the extended red sensitivity - it was almost like shooting through a #25 filter. I started using it when it was a special order item and you had to mix your own developer from scratch - but the results were worth it (Leica and 50mm Summicron). On

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Hmm - I have over 382,000 on disk and a few more still in the camera. Only a few of my film images have been digitized ... They are stored on a local disk, and external USB drive, and the openNAS raid array that you turned me onto --- On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:11 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Nikon D3300 for all my photography, such as that you’ve seen on my blogs. I rarely use the camera on my phone for anything. -D > On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Very true - I keep telling my kids to use the real camera instead of the > phone, well two of them have

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Peter wrote: > Wonderful stuff, I'm still kicking myself for not buying a dozen > 100' rolls of it when it was still made. My cartridge loader sits unused. Hasn't loaded a roll of film in at least 10 years. I'm still not sure abandoning film is a good idea...

Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
On 8/9/19 10:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: You don't understand or don't trust the winter viscosity rating. There is NOTHING WRONG with 0W or 5W oil in our old indirect injection engines. Let's start with 15W50 M1. At 100°C, its viscosity is 18 cSt. If we could make an oil that was 18

Re: [MBZ] I shouldn't have sold my '70 280SEC 3.5

2019-08-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yup that was a mistake! I have a friend in Greece who had two. Sold em both over ten years ago. Also regrets it! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2019, at 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > It was nicer (moss green) than this one, though still not perfect. Stupid > money

Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I think that's backwards -- 5W-40 is a 5 wt oil at cold temps that retains the viscosity of a 40W oil at high temps. Dino oils thin dramatically with temperature (as does honey!), so while a 5W oil would be fine when you start, it will not lubricate and full engine temp

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You’re doing it all wrong. If you’ve got email set up on the iPad, all you have to do when taking a picture is to click on the “share” icon and you’ll get a list of ways you can shre it. Email will be a choice as will messaging and any other means you have set up on the iPad to communicate

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’ve got over 10,000 images in iPhoto and Aperture, all stored on a RAID in RAW (NEF) format. Both original and edited images are stored on backup. Never had a problem, but have heard of people who did. Because I have my image files stored in a separate library I don’t sweat it, as I can always

Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The key has an RFC chip in it, the battery shouldn’t have any effect on it’s ability to start. Same reason why a “Mickey Mouse” key will start and run the car as well. Just for grins, try the remote at each door and the trunk in the dark. I say that because my 1997 SL500 fob won’t work in the

Re: [MBZ] hmmmm... could be simple issue?

2019-08-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Woman posted some more pics, looks decent.  I'm thinking this is a simple 722.6 electrical problem.  I might go take a look at it Sunday, it is about 2.5 hr away down by Savannah. --R On 8/9/19 11:16 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote: Seller sez: "I was told it was the acceleration sensor- it won’t

Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
So does my SL500. The systems were IR until 98, I think, when they changed to RF. Again, if the emitter is weak or the receivers are not working well, or their plastic lenses are cloudy, it won’t work from a distance of any kind, or in the sunlight. -D > On Aug 9, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Floyd

Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
One of the reasons I bought an iPoo four months ago was it had a really nice camera. Today I took a picture I wanted to email to a friend. Just need to Bluetooth it to my PC so I can email it... WTF? There's no option to 'share to bleutooth"??? Oh, I see, to do it the Apple Way™, I need to

Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

2019-08-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
9, and the fuse right next to it which I think is F. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On August 9, 2019 6:50:29 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > >What fuses do you pull? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-09 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Lol, Tech Pan was the film used by the military to take those photos where you could read newspaper headlines from 12 miles up or whatever -- the resolution of that film greatly exceeded the resolution of 35mm lenses for the most part. Recovered from space, believe it or not, back in the day.

Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-09 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Back in the day, we had an incentive program to make good progress in school. Oddly enough it was called Selective Service. > -Original Message- > From: Clay Monroe via Mercedes >... > All because the schools could not graduate much more than 17% of their > population in a reasonable