Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
any 500SL 107 you see over here is going to be a euro model, they were 
never imported by MBNA


Frank Pembleton wrote:


IIRC the factory euro 500SL did not appear until the early 80s; and imported
in small numbers by MBNA.

At the time, both gray-market and MBNA 500SLs were running around.

You'd have to check the vin # to know what model, of course
_
Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO


-Original Message-
From: OK Don
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:07 PM
The 500SL in '79 would be a Euro model. I know they made 500SLC's -
for racing. I don't know if the 500SL is a standard Euro car or rare.
There aren't very many 500SLCs, and the do go for a fair amount of
money.

On 9/16/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yes, realized my error a few minutes after sending. In fact, Performance
Products catalog suggests that it would actually be a 450 rather than a


500,


but I am far from an SL expert.







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 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
 any 500SL 107 you see over here is going to be a euro model, they were
 never imported by MBNA
 

I saw a 1985 in a salvage yard once, it got flooded in a Houston hurricane.
MBUSA must have sold it, it's in the fuel economy guide:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Mercedes-Benz1985.shtml



Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Frank Pembleton
Bzzt you're wrong.

 
_
Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

any 500SL 107 you see over here is going to be a euro model, they were 
never imported by MBNA

Frank Pembleton wrote:

 IIRC the factory euro 500SL did not appear until the early 80s; and
imported
 in small numbers by MBNA.
 
 At the time, both gray-market and MBNA 500SLs were running around.
 
 You'd have to check the vin # to know what model, of course
 _
 Frank Pembleton
 Manchester, MO
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: OK Don
 Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 2:07 PM
 The 500SL in '79 would be a Euro model. I know they made 500SLC's -
 for racing. I don't know if the 500SL is a standard Euro car or rare.
 There aren't very many 500SLCs, and the do go for a fair amount of
 money.
 
 On 9/16/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Yes, realized my error a few minutes after sending. In fact, Performance
Products catalog suggests that it would actually be a 450 rather than a
 
 500,
 
but I am far from an SL expert.

 
 
 

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  84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] crack smokers on columbus CL

2006-09-17 Thread kevin kraly

http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/208198003.html

Are you kidding?  $7800 for this?

I've spotted a 560sEC on CL for that kind of money, but the 380 isn't half 
the engine judging by what I've heard (single row timing chain being the 
biggest problem, possibly others?).


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 





Re: [MBZ] Trial email

2006-09-17 Thread OK Don

It does seem a bit quiet  must be nice weather everywhere?
I did manage to remove the fuel strainer from the SLC - it was totally
clogged with fine rust. I had planned to wash out the tank with the
power washer, but I can't get the wand to the fuel level sender
opening, and couln't find anything in town that would fit it.

More fun tomorrow!

On 9/16/06, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there anybody there? 



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Re: [MBZ] Trial email

2006-09-17 Thread John M McIntosh

Nice enough to go out and replace the rack damper pin the 83.
Of course as I'm looking about I see the steering damper shock is  
busy dripping oil.
Likely the tire balance issue and the need to replace a control rod  
and upper ball joint sent the shock to an early death.



On 16-Sep-06, at 8:31 PM, OK Don wrote:


It does seem a bit quiet  must be nice weather everywhere?
I did manage to remove the fuel strainer from the SLC - it was totally
clogged with fine rust. I had planned to wash out the tank with the
power washer, but I can't get the wand to the fuel level sender
opening, and couln't find anything in town that would fit it.

More fun tomorrow!


John
1983 300TDt  379k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  175k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)





Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

BT, YOU are wrong.

Frank Pembleton wrote:


Bzzt you're wrong.

 
_

Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL,
 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] Trial email

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

no

Frederick W Moir wrote:


Is there anybody there? 



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 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Frank Pembleton
No, I seem to remember seeing, with my own eyes, quite a few 107 500SLs on
the road in Newport Beach in 1982-84.

At the time, you were stilling shitting in diapers in Oklahomo.

 
_
Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:14 PM

BT, YOU are wrong.






Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread LT Don

Children, children -- you are wrong is so confrontational. I suggest words
like I have different information or my data suggests that you might be
in error.

D.


On 9/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


BT, YOU are wrong.

Frank Pembleton wrote:

 Bzzt you're wrong.


 _
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 Manchester, MO
 KLEB FOR PREZ!!


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  87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
  84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey
No, I seem to remember seeing, with my own eyes, quite a few 107 
500SLs on

the road in Newport Beach in 1982-84.


I also don't think the 500 SL's were an official MBUSA item, but
that didn't stop plenty of them from getting here anyway.  In the
80's, the gray market was operating particularly well.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Luther Gulseth

How about a compromise.  BZT, YOU are wrong and here is why  Just 
saying someone is wrong doesn't help those of us who don't know either way.

z

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:37:30 -0500, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Children, children -- you are wrong is so confrontational. I suggest words
like I have different information or my data suggests that you might be
in error.

D.


On 9/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


BT, YOU are wrong.

Frank Pembleton wrote:

 Bzzt you're wrong.


 _
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 Manchester, MO
 KLEB FOR PREZ!!







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Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Trampas
I know someone who has a 500SL for sale in the Raleigh NC area.

Trampas

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:52 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

How about a compromise.  BZT, YOU are wrong and here is why
Just saying someone is wrong doesn't help those of us who don't know either
way.

z

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:37:30 -0500, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Children, children -- you are wrong is so confrontational. I suggest
words
 like I have different information or my data suggests that you might be
 in error.

 D.


 On 9/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BT, YOU are wrong.

 Frank Pembleton wrote:

  Bzzt you're wrong.
 
 
  _
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  Manchester, MO
  KLEB FOR PREZ!!





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Re: [MBZ] Flex joint in 300TD exhaust system

2006-09-17 Thread Steve MacSween
on 9/17/06 3:55 AM, Euan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm also convinced that the exhaust-repair
 franchises in this city are all butchers, none of whom seems to be
 capable of a fix more imaginative than welding or  fixing the exhaust
 system to the chassis permanently.

Is there a hot rod club in your area? If so, inquire where they get their
work done. If you don't know of a club, look up whomever sells rod and
custom parts, and ask them.

The franchised chains (esp. those on busy main streets) are big moneymakers
and rarely are interested in custom work.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Bob Rentfro

Ahhh LT Don...always the mediator...very PC..

Bob Rentfro


- Original Message - 
From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?


Children, children -- you are wrong is so confrontational. I suggest 
words

like I have different information or my data suggests that you might be
in error.

D.


On 9/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


BT, YOU are wrong.

Frank Pembleton wrote:

 Bzzt you're wrong.


 _
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 Manchester, MO
 KLEB FOR PREZ!!


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Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
That is possible Derail, whowever, they were grey market cars. There was 
no US version 500SL in the 107 body.


Frank Pembleton wrote:


No, I seem to remember seeing, with my own eyes, quite a few 107 500SLs on
the road in Newport Beach in 1982-84.

At the time, you were stilling shitting in diapers in Oklahomo.

 
_

Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:14 PM

BT, YOU are wrong.




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 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Derails only existence on these lists is to stir up trouble and forward 
information off the list to another list.



LT Don wrote:


Children, children -- you are wrong is so confrontational. I suggest words
like I have different information or my data suggests that you might be
in error.

D.




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 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
He is wrong because there was not such a thing?  How about that.  Or, 
maybe he is wrong because he is a retard, that words too.


Luther Gulseth wrote:


How about a compromise.  BZT, YOU are wrong and here is why  Just 
saying someone is wrong doesn't help those of us who don't know either way.

z

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:37:30 -0500, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Children, children -- you are wrong is so confrontational. I suggest words
like I have different information or my data suggests that you might be
in error.

D.


On 9/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


BT, YOU are wrong.

Frank Pembleton wrote:



Bzzt you're wrong.


_
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Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!








--
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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL,
 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



[MBZ] Hold your posts

2006-09-17 Thread Harry Watkins
Would it be too unreasonable of me to ask you folks to hold your posts until I 
can get back on the list?  Just write the stuff down for later posting and if I 
don't get back in a few months, just press on without me.  I have no way to 
know if this goes through.  Bye bye, farewell, its been nice, sigh.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans


[MBZ] 2 Mercedes 190 2.3 16 valve

2006-09-17 Thread Rick Knoble
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/car/208369093.html

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needs to fix that with his ISP.

Harry Watkins wrote:

 Would it be too unreasonable of me to ask you folks to hold your posts until 
 I can get back on the list?  Just write the stuff down for later posting and 
 if I don't get back in a few months, just press on without me.  I have no way 
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Re: [MBZ] SL500 for sale -- value?

2006-09-17 Thread tom savage

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
That is possible Derail, whowever, they were grey market cars. There was 
no US version 500SL in the 107 body.
  
I'm with Kaleb on this one - per John Olson's book The SL Experience, 
The 500SL (as well as the 280SL, 300SL, and 420SL) was never officially 
imported to the US.  The 560SL was a US-only model.  The only 107 SLs 
imported to the US through official channels were the 350 (4.5L), 380, 
450, and 560.


There was nothing truly special about the 500SL as it was the about 
the 500SLC and 450SLC 5.0, both of which were rally homologation cars.


Tom



[MBZ] Have we seen this Finny before? Wonder if its restorable

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-MERCEDES-BENZ-GOLD-FOR-REPAIR-OR-PARTS_W0QQitemZ110033730513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] Flex joint in 300TD exhaust system

2006-09-17 Thread Peter Frederick
Make sure the mount attached to the rear of the transmission is in good 
shape -- it not, it will allow the entire pipe to vibrate up and down 
excessively, and that wears out the rubber hangers.


You may also need to replace the rubber bumber on the body, they do get 
very hard and won't dampen vibration any more.


Peter




[MBZ] holy smokes

2006-09-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190-E-5-0-V8-190-E-2-3-5-0-V8-FORD-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ250028842951QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL,
 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



Re: [MBZ] Oil leaking around Injectors

2006-09-17 Thread Peter Frederick
Most likely the overlfow hoses are going bad and leaking.  This will, 
of course, only get worse.


Use only the factory hose to replace them, nothing else (except maybe 
viton) seems to hold up at all.


They usually require replacement every three or four years.  Sometimes 
they get rock hard, so if you do the job yourself, make sure you get 
all the old rubber off the injector nipples, otherwise it tends to 
slice the new hose open as you install it, making it leak as badly as 
the old ones.


Peter




[MBZ] Club 123D car show pics

2006-09-17 Thread tom savage
Last weekend Vince Layton and Club 123D sponsored the first annual 
All-123 car show.  Nine cars in attendance, covering the spectrum from a 
NOS 240D to a not-so-new 240D, a 300CD convertible, and a bunch of daily 
drivers in between.  I took a few pics of some of the more distinguished 
attendees:  http://thomas.savage.org/123/


A good time was had by all, and many thanks to Vince for putting on such 
a great show.


Tom



[MBZ] Test 3

2006-09-17 Thread Harry Watkins
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 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Flex joint in 300TD exhaust systerm
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:45:59 +1200
From: Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We're all RHD vehicles over here. So I guess a turbo would be a rarity.
Pity.

I forgot to mention that I was considering a flex-joint in the
horizontal section of the system, just aft of the rigid suspension mount
on the transmission. That's where most seem to be fitted
retrospectively. My wagon does not have a factory-fitted flex-joint in
the header pipe (which is the original).

Cheers

Euan

Euan -
They were around all right, it is standard equipment on my '81 SD. But does
your car have a turbo supercharger? If not, that may be the difference. I
just looked at Randy's site for the exhaust system on an '85 turbo TD and
they show a flex joint in the header pipe just like my SD. Maybe the NZ cars
weren't turbos. Is that the case?

Barry