[MBZ] for the Canadians on the list
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Re: [MBZ] Car comparo
I have found this "confidence" to be addictive. I almost dare people to screw up when I know I can be safe and in the right should an accident occur. I am more safe when I have passengers or cargo (bowling balls). Luther On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:25:25 -0500, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The older models inspire you to drive with confidence. There are a > bunch of idiots out there who are still paying for their cars and > have no idea how to drive. I know that any encounter I have with > them, Gump will mess up her paint, but they will have severe body > damage and a huge bill. > > > I like the classic lines of the 70/80's cars. Now everything looks > like eggs or the designs were swiped from korea. Even the original > designs are looking like knock offs of knock off designs. Like the > Kia, chrysler, benz knock off front ends and how a bunch of cars all > look like a honda civic from the back. Benz included > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
Me too - my first Benz. 4 on the column no less --- On 6/29/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i had a 4 speed 220D. i liked it. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car comparo
The bimmers are preppy boys and gals who want to be seen to have a bit of european flair. They are found at wine tastings, fern bars, whole foods, or chic night clubs. More cash than brains. This may not reflect the BMW car crowd in other towns, but hits the nail in Seattle On Jun 29, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: > Larry and Clay wrote about the price. Kevin wrote about the > uniqueness. > > I can say as a relative newcomer to Benzes that I assumed that even a > 25 year old one would still be way prohibitively expensive to > purchase. It was one story on PBS about WVO, and the subsequent > finding of this list that taught me otherwise. Too bad the current > diesel craze is driving up the prices (well I guess it's not too bad > if you already own yours). The craze is what caused the price of our > 190D with 267k mi. to be $4300. > > As for uniqueness: I used to really enjoy standing out living in SE > Minnesota and driving my 240D. But now living around Seattle - bzzzt. > One of the crowd - well almost. There are the Subaru drivers, then > there are the Benz drivers, then there are the VW drivers. All the > foregoing make up the sort of hipster/enviro crowd. I really don't > think it's about "being seen in an MB" for the most part, though I do > feel a sense of pride thinking about the quality and class. A lot of > BMWs here too - I don't know for sure into what category those drivers > fall. > > Brian > 83 240D > 87 190D > yes, I stereotype - it's fun > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb
At least the terrorist were paying attention to the VW ad about not using that car. Ad was pulled, but can be found online clay On Jun 29, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote: > Shows that this is the work of amateurs, MB's do not make good bomb > cars > because they don't explode as well as cheaper makes. > > - Original Message - > From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb > > >> looks like a 124 - how do terrorists have style? >> >> On 6/29/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Looks like the evil-doers are stepping up in class, that London >>> car bomb >>> wannabe was in a nice big Benz. Evil, pure evil. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
I would suspect there is a decline in the poorly maintained 114/115 based on the population at the PnP. I am seeing many more fine examples on the road. These look to be well loved and cared for, driven by younger people. Might be that tipping point where folks are selling them for pennies, and the values will climb as more of them get put back into service and are maintained. On Jun 29, 2007, at 1:06 PM, R A Bennell wrote: > Well, like most old cars, value is based mostly on condition. Nice > and mostly original will fetch a good price no > matter whether it is an MB or a Gremlin. > Some will be more desirable and I should think you could lump most > of the MB products into that category. As such, > the combination of real qualtiy and percieved qualtity should > result in a decent price. > > I would also think that the 115's in decent condition are getting > scarce. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:00 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted > > > 250. 230. if it's worth 3800 bucks, i've really lost touch with this > market. > > On 6/29/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> >> Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes >> 114 or >> 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna >> go check >> it out tonight. >> My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? >> I'm still looking for a backup car >> >> -Curt >> -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
Not really like running a 115, since M$ no longer supports 98, but the classic center and Rusty have parts to keep the Benz on the road. On Jun 29, 2007, at 1:02 PM, R A Bennell wrote: > Hi Andrew > > Have you come up with any good reason to switch to Vista? > > I'm still running 98 on my office computer and it isn't doing > anything bad ( I think that must be akin to running a > 115 MB - out of date but still pretty good). I have 2000 on another > computer here in the office and we have 2 more > at home plus a laptop all running the XP but have resisted Vista to > date. So far, I cannot think of any reason why > I would want it. I keep thinking of moving toward Linux. I plan to > set up a machine and see how it goes. Gates has > enough money. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:50 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista > installation > > > While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on > their PC? > I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with > them > I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > > > On 6/29/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> USL soccer game of the week, as our atlanta silverbacks visit >> rochester. >> 8PM. I'm getting excited already! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
I found a nice dark blue 114 two years ago at a dealer lot. Looked really great until I got to the driver side quarter panel. Hole about the size of a golf ball encircled in rust. I still see the car on the lot, but am sure the hole would fit an apple now. clay On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Hey all, > > Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes > 114 or 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm > gonna go check it out tonight. > My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? > I'm still looking for a backup car > > -Curt > > > - > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s > user panel and lay it on us. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint
I am willing to hazard that a lighter color does reduce heat gain. Gump is Dunkel Grun exterior with standard black Tex interior. I got a bug up my --s a few years ago that she would look better with a tan interior, so got the rattle can and went to town. Prior to the new color, summer heat in the cabin was excessive if the car had sat sealed for much of the morning. With the lighter color, she is stuffy, but not as hot. I am going to install a dual interior/ exterior thermostat and see how hot she gets. The E300D is dark blue with tan interior. She gets warm as well, but not blistering hot. Both cars are great heat sinks with the dark colors, and metal body parts are not fun to rub against with bare tummy in summer. Really great for rinsing off dirt, because they dry fast. A bad thing with the dark, there is a decrease in life span for clear coat. Might be poorly applied, but both Gump and the ED are having roof clear coat issues. I am in the process of giving Gump a freshening of coat. I used a razor scraper to remove the flakey edges of the huge blisters and wet sanded to smooth the transitions. Her original green was getting really faded. Took three rattle cans of clear coat to give her a nice splotchy coating. Waiting for it to cure, then will wet sand with 1500 to give her back some shine. clay On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:52 PM, R A Bennell wrote: > I will admit that I do not know the technical answer to the > question posed. However, I think we all know that one > can generally lay one's hand flat on the hood of a white car that > has been sitting in the sun but one cannot do > that with a dark colored car. I have to think that there is going > to be some heat transfer if the metal is hotter. > Given a long enough time, the interior might end up about the same. > We need a test to see if it is true. > > The same sort of thing happens to the interior as well. Try sitting > on a black vinyl seat when the sun has been > shining through the window. My old 68 Chevy pickup has a black > bench seat and you don't want to climb aboard in > summer wearing shorts. My 300D has the off white color seats and I > can never recall the seats being uncomfortable > no matter how warm the car is when I get in. > > Of course, I'm not in Arizona either. > > Randy > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint > > > Got to chime in on this one. > > I do see the point that given enough time maybe the white car would > gather about as much heat as the black car. But then again, maybe not, > because all the while, the black car's surface is collecting more heat > than the white's. > > I'm chiming in because my Dad (you met him, Chuck - quite a brainy > guy) was always and advocate of the light colored car and pointed out > white roofs on buses etc. We grew up in Tucson. In fact we have a > picture of my sister up on top of our van painting the top of it white > with a brush. Classic picture. > > Of course my dad was all about visibility too, and the lighter colored > cars are good there I think. He liked to point out how the fire trucks > and ambulances switched from red to chartreuse. > > Oh, and when we were teens we wanted sorely to paint our cars red, but > he constantly quoted the statistic that red cars get more tickets. By > the time I was of driving age or a bit older, family authority had > loosened enough that not only did I wind up with a big block coupe as > my first car, but I eventually painted it red (then black!). > > Brian > > On 6/28/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> hi Chuck! >> >> i'm sure if they were to sit for long enough there wouldn't be >> any >> difference, but i can assure you that there is a very real and >> noticeable difference in the black and white painted areas of my >> J**p... >> i'm betting that after enough hours there would be enough heat energy >> passing through to the interior through the glass that interior temps >> might be equal, but it would appear that having the roof white at >> least >> slows down the rate at which the vehicle heats up. (ever notice >> how the >> roofs of school buses, motor homes, and Land Cruisers/Rovers that see >> Dez duty are white?) >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> >> >> Chuck Landenberger wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> Living in the Valley of the Sun, I've got two cars that are tinted >>> and that helps while one is driving. And they are both Smoke Silver >>> because I didn't want any dark colored car. >>> >>> But, does anyone have any information to determine if there is any >>> interior temperature differential between similar black and white >>> cars sitting for a fixed period of time in the sun. >>> >>> I've been told anecdotal info that indicates there is NO difference >>> at all. >>> >>> Just an inquiring mind! >>> >>> Take care and be safe, >>> >>> Chuck >>> Phoenix AZ >>> >>> >>> On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:31 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: >>> >>> Loren,
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
i had a 4 speed 220D. i liked it. On 6/29/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you are lucky, it's a 4 speed 220D. If it's a gasser then it is a 280 > 6 cylinder. It's still a great engine but not as economical. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Diesel List" > Sent: 6/29/07 2:54 PM > Subject: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted > > Hey all, > > Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes 114 > or 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna go > check it out tonight. > My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? > I'm still looking for a backup car > > -Curt > > > - > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car comparo
Larry and Clay wrote about the price. Kevin wrote about the uniqueness. I can say as a relative newcomer to Benzes that I assumed that even a 25 year old one would still be way prohibitively expensive to purchase. It was one story on PBS about WVO, and the subsequent finding of this list that taught me otherwise. Too bad the current diesel craze is driving up the prices (well I guess it's not too bad if you already own yours). The craze is what caused the price of our 190D with 267k mi. to be $4300. As for uniqueness: I used to really enjoy standing out living in SE Minnesota and driving my 240D. But now living around Seattle - bzzzt. One of the crowd - well almost. There are the Subaru drivers, then there are the Benz drivers, then there are the VW drivers. All the foregoing make up the sort of hipster/enviro crowd. I really don't think it's about "being seen in an MB" for the most part, though I do feel a sense of pride thinking about the quality and class. A lot of BMWs here too - I don't know for sure into what category those drivers fall. Brian 83 240D 87 190D yes, I stereotype - it's fun ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
On 6/29/07, Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you use one of those little can with attached low side gauge > kits,they will work ok, but they must be made in Minnasota because they > usually have the green zone on the gauge a bit on the low side for real > hot places. If it get's real hot out while you are checking/charging > 45-55 lb on the low side is quite normal .Most of those little gauges > show the green at 35-45 and if it's 95 +deg f out, 35-45 will not be > enough of a charge, it will be a can or so low. Liability concern, maybe? They don't want amateurs overcharging? Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Central locks failing
And the passenger side and the boot (or trunk as you say), basically there are two types of actuators, master and slave. Three of each. - Original Message - From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Central locks failing > In the cars with vacuum/pressure pumps (W126, W124, > etc.) the function of pump and actuators is a little > different. > > The pump, which is located under the right rear seat > in the 124, and under the spare tire in the 126, is > operated by an electrical switch on the driver's door > lock. When you lock or unlock the driver's door, a ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb
Shows that this is the work of amateurs, MB's do not make good bomb cars because they don't explode as well as cheaper makes. - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb > looks like a 124 - how do terrorists have style? > > On 6/29/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Looks like the evil-doers are stepping up in class, that London car bomb >> wannabe was in a nice big Benz. Evil, pure evil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
If you use one of those little can with attached low side gauge kits,they will work ok, but they must be made in Minnasota because they usually have the green zone on the gauge a bit on the low side for real hot places. If it get's real hot out while you are checking/charging 45-55 lb on the low side is quite normal .Most of those little gauges show the green at 35-45 and if it's 95 +deg f out, 35-45 will not be enough of a charge, it will be a can or so low. -Robert Curt Raymond wrote: > Great! > Right now it still cools just not as well as it used to so I'm thinking a can > added might do the trick. > > Thanks > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:50:14 -0700 > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC question > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 6/29/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Fred's AC question makes me think of my '96 Dodge which has never had >> > any AC work done to it. It seems like its not cooling so well anymore, > whats the wisdom on this? There are kits that come with a gauge, > presumeably they come with instructions. Presumably this kind of kit is > pretty stupid proof? Anybody got a link that might be helpful? > > > Yup, my thinking as regards diagnosis of post-'96 A/C systems is that > R134a is so cheap that you might as well try the > mixed-oil-and-refrigerant-with-a-gauge can at McParts before you do > anything else. They are as idiotproof as anything involving > pressurized explosive stuff can be! R134a systems have different > sized fittings for the high and low pressure side, so there is little > danger of hooking up the can to the wrong side. You just screw the > attached fitting to the low side on the car, start the engine, turn > the A/C on, hold the can upside down, press the valve on the can, and > wait for the gauge provided to read in the green zone. > > If the system cools nicely after that, everything's good. If > performance declines rapidly, you have a leak somewhere. If it > doesn't cool at all, something is wrong other than the charge (maybe > an electrical issue keeping the compressor from turning on when it > should, or a stuck heater valve). > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo > '93 Isuzu Trooper > '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC > > > - > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 380SL ignition problem
Check the ignition unit and resistors, if equiped. Bad coil will do this sometimes, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB used by Terrorist
Ah, but a silver W124 is almost invisible. Old enough to avoid notice, in good shape so no one suspects it's somewhere where it doesn't belong, and the color is not noticable. If the engine or tranny is in bad shape, they aren't horrible expensive because no one wants to spend a big pile of cash to fix up a 20 year old car. Money isn't a problem for these guys, alas. At least they didn't get a change to detonate it! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB used by Terrorist
"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't understand this - unless it's because of the UKs RH drive? > In the US even W123s and 124s are not what I consider cheap - at > least if you want one that hasn't been damaged beyond imagination. > And the W126s are holding their value pretty well - W140s? Forget > about it - In Europe, Mercedes-Benz is not really the exclusive luxury car it is marketed as in the states. It's still a higher-line marque, but they do sell them with cloth upholstery, manual climate control, manual windows, etc. as well as some compact "economy" models that we never see here. They are commonly used as taxis. So it does not surprise me that there are a lot more of the older models there, and they are correspondingly lower in cost. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 380SL ignition problem
In a message dated 6/29/2007 10:40:25 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My daughter says that when she tries to start the car, it will crank, but won't fire. As she lets off the starter, it tries to fire. I told her to try taking the key clear out between tries. It has not worked yet. This happened once before, and the problem went away without any action. I am thinking it sounds like a problem in the ignition contacts in the switch, since it seems to work as the key is let up. As I remember, there are start contacts and run contacts inside the switch that both feed the ignition circuit. Any ideas? It is pretty unusual to have the switch fail, so It seems likely there is another cause. It could be low fuel pressure caused by a weak battery. Most fuel injection systems have a minimum pressure that the injectors will pop at and this may be a case where cranking is drawing the voltage down to the point that the fuel pump is not developing enough pressure to pop the injectors. Jumping the battery or just having it charge up on the charger might give just enough pump voltage to make the injector pop. Or if the battery is good, a worn out fuel pump will do the same thing. regards Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Central locks failing
In a message dated 6/29/2007 7:19:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the most part, the pumps are pretty robust, although I did have one fail on me. Troubleshooting on these systems is nearly the same as the 123 and earlier chassis', however, in this case you only have one supply line to each actuator, but the terminus for all the lines is still on the floor of the forward passenger compartment in the wire duct. Start with your vacuum pump at the line coming out of the pump, and move up to the passenger compartment floor from there. Again, this is a really, really simple system. You should be able to nail down the offending actuator within a matter of minutes. Dan is right on about the electric vacuum pumps sucking and blowing. This reduces the hardware at each point to only one diaphragm which both pushes and pulls the locking device. One caveat it that their is a short length of hose inside the electric vacuum pump that becomes soft and may have already blown off. Or, it likely to if you plug the discharge and cause the pressure to go too high. After confirming the vacuum pump both sucks and blows, move to the area in the trunk where the fuel cover lock is. this is the easiest point to check first and you can test the trunk lock from there too. Have fun. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300D Turbo Smoking/Idle Problem Update
In a message dated 6/29/2007 7:07:00 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to play with the IP timing. In order to adjust IP timing I have to loosen the three bolts that hold the IP housing then turn the hex adjustment - is this correct? I am having a terrible time getting to the lower bolt. Can I get to it without removing the fan? Ken. You should be able to loosen all 3 bolts from the front. Don't overlook the support at the rear of the injection pump. You don't want to break something. The 86 and newer 603 engines use a timing tool which is inserted in a hole and will drop in at the correct timing setting. Some number like 15 degrees after top dead center of #1 comes to mind. You should have that tool before messing with the timing and verify my number before proceeding. this forum has an archives with lots of info in it. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car comparo
On 6/29/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . Even the original > designs are looking like knock offs of knock off designs. Like the > Kia, chrysler, benz knock off front ends and how a bunch of cars all > look like a honda civic from the back. Benz included Too true. Jaguars are starting to look distinctive again just because they all look like Fords! Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car comparo
The older models inspire you to drive with confidence. There are a bunch of idiots out there who are still paying for their cars and have no idea how to drive. I know that any encounter I have with them, Gump will mess up her paint, but they will have severe body damage and a huge bill. I like the classic lines of the 70/80's cars. Now everything looks like eggs or the designs were swiped from korea. Even the original designs are looking like knock offs of knock off designs. Like the Kia, chrysler, benz knock off front ends and how a bunch of cars all look like a honda civic from the back. Benz included On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: > My old 115 is > pretty square. That does not bother me however. It is getting to > where all > of the new cars look alike. I'm unique! > > Randy, > I do like the W115 Mercedes style, it's timeless! My W126 is a > much more > modern looking car, but it's the solidness of any OLDER Mercedes > that's most > appealing to me. Being unique is the bonus. > > Kevin in Portland, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
I'll wait a year for the bugs to be wiped out - way too many frustrations for new sw. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation > "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their >> PC? >> I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of >> glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with >> them >> I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > Most likely not. Best chance for success will be to wipe the hard > drive and do a clean install. "Upgrade" installs on any generation of > Windows have a history of being painful. > > Unless there's some feature of Vista you really NEED (can't imagine), > or you just want to play, I'd not bother. > > Allan > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 5:57 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB used by Terrorist
Some comments about the terrorists using MB for bombs - some mentioned 5th Gear buying a MB for ~ $1000 to destroy - and it was mentioned older (but not real old) MBs are cheap - I don't understand this - unless it's because of the UKs RH drive? In the US even W123s and 124s are not what I consider cheap - at least if you want one that hasn't been damaged beyond imagination. And the W126s are holding their value pretty well - W140s? Forget about it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Window Tint
We need it for those three days in June when the thermometer hits 90* and maybe once or twice in July. It is really that winter sun that kills us. Need to have tint to keep glare down with that sun so low on the horizon. I suspect that few drivers suffer much with being at work during the hours daylight is used. clay On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:46 PM, John Freer wrote: > Window tinting in Seattle is like buying a snow blower in SO > CA.just in > case I ever need it. > > On 6/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> But you'll be very happy with it. You will not find any flaws (or >> shouldn't) and will look at it with pride of ownership you would >> never >> have >> if you tried to do it yourself. You might do something like this >> once >> every >> 15-20 years while the pro's do 2 or 3 a *day*!! >> >> That's the only way you get good at it - >> >> After a while you'll forget about the $250 - but you'll always >> remember >> the >> quality because it'll be in front of you everyday. Just like a >> poor job >> full of wrinkles will be in front of you also - reminding you of >> those $$s >> you saved. ;-) >> >> I tried it once myself on a Chev sedan we had - it looked terrible >> and my >> wife commented on it daily - I ended up removing it and living >> without it. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ >> . >> - Original Message - >> From: "Zeitgeist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Window Tint >> >> >>> I have an appointment for next Tuesday, to have the pros install >>> tint. >>> $250--ouch! >>> >>> >>> Casey >>> __ >>> '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel >>> '94 100CSQ Avant >>> '90 90Q >>> '89 Bluestar >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/876 - Release Date: >> 6/28/2007 >>> 10:56 AM >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
LarryT wrote: > > Personally, I have trouble thinking of *anything* they could do that would > make me want to spend almost $200 for a new suite. > Convince all the other morons to buy a new suite with incompatible save format, and then send files to you that you can't open w/o the new suite? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
Ya'll wrote:< If it's not broke why fix it? Indeed.>> You *know* the answer - they have to find a reason to get users of Office 95, O97, O'00, etc to spend $100, $200 or nore to upgrade. The only reason to upgrade anymore is features now that the programs are pretty seamless and operate easily. I still have Office '97 Pro which comes with Access (the db program) for work, and although I've upgraded Word to 03 I could have leaved easily with 97 - but got a upgrade with a new computer. Unfortunately, they no longer support O97. But I seldom need help - usually when the program generates some obscure error mesg. Personally, I have trouble thinking of *anything* they could do that would make me want to spend almost $200 for a new suite. Anyway, I have Open Office as well as Office 97 and because of the features and my familiarity I use O97 more than anything. Just like cars, they have to pretty the programs up so people will want to upgrade -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Craig McCluskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:07:06 -0400 Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> My IT guy says that WinXP is the most for the money, he asked me not >> to put Vista on my machine. > > At work, I "updated" my windoze system from Office 2003 to Office 2007. > > I then received an email on my Linux system with a Word document > attachment that I wanted to convert to a PDF. (I use my Linux system for > all my work except when I really have to run windoze, like to be able to > use the full Adobe Acrobat.) > > I transferred the file to my windoze system and started up Word. In > Office 2003, converting to PDF was done by just clicking a button. In > Office 2007, there was no button. While searching on Microsoft's website, > I discovered I needed some additional software. I downloaded and installed > it, and converted the Word file to a PDF. The output PDF looked horrible! > Nothing at all like the Word document. > > So, I went back to my Linux system, opened it with OpenOffice, clicked the > button to convert to PDF and got a good looking PDF. > > I then went back to the windoze system, uninstalled Office 2007, and > re-installed Office 2003. > > >> If it's not broke why fix it? > > Indeed. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 5:57 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
I've installed Vista Business on a desktop and an HP tc4400 tablet with no issues and very little effort. I always do a format and clean installation, never upgrade. It's new, so is fun to play with. There are some neat features, but nothing that I'd pay for. The biggest "advance" in Vista in my opinion is user mode --- if you want to run something new, etc., you have to OK the admin level action. Of course, this is old hat stuff in Unix land --- On 6/29/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their PC? > I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with them > I know it won't be smooth sailing. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
andrew strasfogel wrote: > > It can only be a 220, 220 diesel, 230 or 250 if it's a truly a '72 114/115 > sedan. I once saw an ad for 2 '72 SE and a '72 SEL. One of the three had a 114 serial number. The seller didn't notice the difference. So I wonder if the car in question here might be a 108, or even a 109. A W109/M100 could very well be worth $3800 or more. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. A/C Kweshun
Craig McCluskey wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:38:09 -0400 Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Mercedes offers the following recommendations for adding oil to the AC >> system for ALL compressors (York, Delco R4 or A6 and Nippondenso: >> >> When system is suddenly emptied (blowout) add 40 ml >> When replacing Condenser add 20 ml >>""" Evaporator add 40 ml >>"" Receiver/dryer add 10 ml >>"" Intake line add 10 ml >>"" Delivery line add 10 ml >> >> That's from the 1985 Tech. Data Manual and the 1988 TDM shows the same >> values. > > How about when: > > - the system was suddenly emptied, > - replacing the condenser, > - replacing the receiver/dryer, and, > - replacing the compressor? > > For the first three, the amount would be 40 + 20 + 10 = 70 ml, but I don't > see the number for the compressor. > The total system capacity for a Nippondenso system is 120 ml. That's what would be in a NEW compressor about to be installed and will fill the system as the new compressor is run. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
Yep, as do I and most people who are savvy enough to click on a few places. At 03:55 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: >Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Vista can still be converted back to the 2000 pro look and feel, and > > this substantially reduces the hardware requirements. > >XP can do this too, and that's the way I run it... makes a noticiable >difference, and with the additional lipstick and eyeshadow they >slatherd onto Vista I'd imagine it makes an even bigger difference >there. > >Allan >-- >1983 300D >1966 230 > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Words [was Re: AC question]
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:43:41 -0700 "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/29/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:05:46 -0700 "Alex Chamberlain" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Or (b) there is a significant (i.e. ectogenic) leak in the system. > > > > > > ec·tog·e·nous > > > > 1. Able to live and develop outside a host, as certain pathogenic > >microorganisms do. > > > > 2. Originating or produced from outside an organism, tissue, or cell; > >exogenous. > > > > > > Seems like the wrong word to me... > > > That's what I meant. A significant leak would probably be one of > origin outside the design, Yes, but I would argue that ectogenic would imply not outside the design but outside the system (i.e., maybe a car wreck ... ). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
Can you say Free? as in Open Office Why pay? At 03:45 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: >One compelling reason is that I don't even have a full, legitimate version >of Word or Excel at present. Also, it was a free upgrade from Best Buy when >I purchased the machine last fall. > > > > >On 6/29/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Vista seems to be ok if you have enough hardware. I agree there is > > no compelling reason to use it. I prefer 2000 pro, although unless > > you have a version slipstreamed with all the services and patches, it > > takes forever to get it installed and updated. Vista can still be > > converted back to the 2000 pro look and feel, and this substantially > > reduces the hardware requirements. But, if I am going to do that, > > why not just run 2000 or XP? If you want Vista without the glitches, > > run Mac OSX. Vista is simply a 6 year old rip-off of OSX. If you > > want to see what windows will do and look like some year, run OSX. > > (or whatever the current Apple/Mac OS is.) That has been true since > > the advent of M$ as a business. > > > > At 03:07 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:49:31 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their > > PC? > > > >I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > > > >glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with > > them > > > >I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > > > > > > > > > >My IT guy says that WinXP is the most for the money, he asked me not > > >to put Vista on my machine. > > > > > >If it's not broke why fix it? > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Peter T. Arnold > > > > > >2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 10Kmi, No problems! > > >1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson > > >1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi > > >1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen > > >Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! > > > > > >___ > > >http://www.okiebenz.com > > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > Loren Faeth > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Vista can still be converted back to the 2000 pro look and feel, and > this substantially reduces the hardware requirements. XP can do this too, and that's the way I run it... makes a noticiable difference, and with the additional lipstick and eyeshadow they slatherd onto Vista I'd imagine it makes an even bigger difference there. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
One compelling reason is that I don't even have a full, legitimate version of Word or Excel at present. Also, it was a free upgrade from Best Buy when I purchased the machine last fall. On 6/29/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vista seems to be ok if you have enough hardware. I agree there is > no compelling reason to use it. I prefer 2000 pro, although unless > you have a version slipstreamed with all the services and patches, it > takes forever to get it installed and updated. Vista can still be > converted back to the 2000 pro look and feel, and this substantially > reduces the hardware requirements. But, if I am going to do that, > why not just run 2000 or XP? If you want Vista without the glitches, > run Mac OSX. Vista is simply a 6 year old rip-off of OSX. If you > want to see what windows will do and look like some year, run OSX. > (or whatever the current Apple/Mac OS is.) That has been true since > the advent of M$ as a business. > > At 03:07 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: > >On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:49:31 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their > PC? > > >I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > > >glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with > them > > >I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > > > > > > >My IT guy says that WinXP is the most for the money, he asked me not > >to put Vista on my machine. > > > >If it's not broke why fix it? > > > > > >-- > > > >Regards, > > > >Peter T. Arnold > > > >2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 10Kmi, No problems! > >1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson > >1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi > >1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen > >Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Loren Faeth > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
On 6/29/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:05:46 -0700 "Alex Chamberlain" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Or (b) there is a significant (i.e. ectogenic) leak in the system. > > > ec·tog·e·nous > > 1. Able to live and develop outside a host, as certain pathogenic >microorganisms do. > > 2. Originating or produced from outside an organism, tissue, or cell; >exogenous. > > > Seems like the wrong word to me... That's what I meant. A significant leak would probably be one of origin outside the design, i.e. not caused by the inherent leakiness of R134a-using A/C systems. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
It can only be a 220, 220 diesel, 230 or 250 if it's a truly a '72 114/115 sedan. On 6/29/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you are lucky, it's a 4 speed 220D. If it's a gasser then it is a 280 > 6 cylinder. It's still a great engine but not as economical. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Diesel List" > Sent: 6/29/07 2:54 PM > Subject: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted > > Hey all, > > Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes 114 > or 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna go > check it out tonight. > My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? > I'm still looking for a backup car > > -Curt > > > - > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint
There are many bozos around here with double black SUVs, aka sweatboxes, who get their jolies by emitting vast amounts of greenhouse gases (it fuels their egos) Andrew in D.C. On 6/29/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All the vehicles I have seen owned by people in the Mojave desert are > white. (unless they are short-timers) > > At 02:52 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: > >I will admit that I do not know the technical answer to the question > >posed. However, I think we all know that one > >can generally lay one's hand flat on the hood of a white car that > >has been sitting in the sun but one cannot do > >that with a dark colored car. I have to think that there is going to > >be some heat transfer if the metal is hotter. > >Given a long enough time, the interior might end up about the same. > >We need a test to see if it is true. > > > >The same sort of thing happens to the interior as well. Try sitting > >on a black vinyl seat when the sun has been > >shining through the window. My old 68 Chevy pickup has a black bench > >seat and you don't want to climb aboard in > >summer wearing shorts. My 300D has the off white color seats and I > >can never recall the seats being uncomfortable > >no matter how warm the car is when I get in. > > > >Of course, I'm not in Arizona either. > > > >Randy > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks > >Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:48 PM > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint > > > > > >Got to chime in on this one. > > > >I do see the point that given enough time maybe the white car would > >gather about as much heat as the black car. But then again, maybe not, > >because all the while, the black car's surface is collecting more heat > >than the white's. > > > >I'm chiming in because my Dad (you met him, Chuck - quite a brainy > >guy) was always and advocate of the light colored car and pointed out > >white roofs on buses etc. We grew up in Tucson. In fact we have a > >picture of my sister up on top of our van painting the top of it white > >with a brush. Classic picture. > > > >Of course my dad was all about visibility too, and the lighter colored > >cars are good there I think. He liked to point out how the fire trucks > >and ambulances switched from red to chartreuse. > > > >Oh, and when we were teens we wanted sorely to paint our cars red, but > >he constantly quoted the statistic that red cars get more tickets. By > >the time I was of driving age or a bit older, family authority had > >loosened enough that not only did I wind up with a big block coupe as > >my first car, but I eventually painted it red (then black!). > > > >Brian > > > >On 6/28/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hi Chuck! > > > > > > i'm sure if they were to sit for long enough there wouldn't be any > > > difference, but i can assure you that there is a very real and > > > noticeable difference in the black and white painted areas of my > J**p... > > > i'm betting that after enough hours there would be enough heat energy > > > passing through to the interior through the glass that interior temps > > > might be equal, but it would appear that having the roof white at > least > > > slows down the rate at which the vehicle heats up. (ever notice how > the > > > roofs of school buses, motor homes, and Land Cruisers/Rovers that see > > > Dez duty are white?) > > > > > > > > > cheers! > > > e > > > > > > > > > Chuck Landenberger wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Living in the Valley of the Sun, I've got two cars that are tinted > > > > and that helps while one is driving. And they are both Smoke Silver > > > > because I didn't want any dark colored car. > > > > > > > > But, does anyone have any information to determine if there is any > > > > interior temperature differential between similar black and white > > > > cars sitting for a fixed period of time in the sun. > > > > > > > > I've been told anecdotal info that indicates there is NO difference > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > Just an inquiring mind! > > > > > > > > Take care and be safe, > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > Phoenix AZ > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:31 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Loren, > > > >> > > > >> not sure i understand what your issue with tinting is; what > about > > > >> tinting makes a car ghetto (or whatever you actually call it)? in > > > >> places > > > >> where the sun actually shines, it can make a car much more > > > >> pleasant, and > > > >> even preserve the interior by not allowing interior temps to rise > > > >> as high. > > > >> > > > >> i wouldn't have my J**p XJ now without tinting, but that's > because > > > >> it plays in the Deserts, high-altitudes, and all along the coasts; > all > > > >> of which can be sunnier than what i care to expose myself or my > > > >> vehicle > > > >> interior to... its tinting has only be
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
Vista seems to be ok if you have enough hardware. I agree there is no compelling reason to use it. I prefer 2000 pro, although unless you have a version slipstreamed with all the services and patches, it takes forever to get it installed and updated. Vista can still be converted back to the 2000 pro look and feel, and this substantially reduces the hardware requirements. But, if I am going to do that, why not just run 2000 or XP? If you want Vista without the glitches, run Mac OSX. Vista is simply a 6 year old rip-off of OSX. If you want to see what windows will do and look like some year, run OSX. (or whatever the current Apple/Mac OS is.) That has been true since the advent of M$ as a business. At 03:07 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: >On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:49:31 -0400, you wrote: > > >While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their PC? > >I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > >glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with them > >I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > > > >My IT guy says that WinXP is the most for the money, he asked me not >to put Vista on my machine. > >If it's not broke why fix it? > > >-- > >Regards, > >Peter T. Arnold > >2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 10Kmi, No problems! >1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson >1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi >1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen >Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:07:06 -0400 Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My IT guy says that WinXP is the most for the money, he asked me not > to put Vista on my machine. At work, I "updated" my windoze system from Office 2003 to Office 2007. I then received an email on my Linux system with a Word document attachment that I wanted to convert to a PDF. (I use my Linux system for all my work except when I really have to run windoze, like to be able to use the full Adobe Acrobat.) I transferred the file to my windoze system and started up Word. In Office 2003, converting to PDF was done by just clicking a button. In Office 2007, there was no button. While searching on Microsoft's website, I discovered I needed some additional software. I downloaded and installed it, and converted the Word file to a PDF. The output PDF looked horrible! Nothing at all like the Word document. So, I went back to my Linux system, opened it with OpenOffice, clicked the button to convert to PDF and got a good looking PDF. I then went back to the windoze system, uninstalled Office 2007, and re-installed Office 2003. > If it's not broke why fix it? Indeed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 124 pdfs needed was Klima
I pulled the plug off the compressor, and it has 13+ volts at the blue/green wire. I checked the clutch coil, and it has 4.1 Ohm. Put it all back together again and when I started the car, and the compressor ran. I pulled the Klima jumper and put the relay back in and the compressor turned off and on with the push button switches. (Pressure switch jumped) Whoever did the 134a conversion only put the adapter on the low side. It is leaking at the valve. I am off to get a new set of adapters, and see if I can get a new schrader valve core for the old low side fitting. Loren 87 300D At 11:03 AM 6/29/2007, you wrote: > > I need to trace/test the wiring from fuse to compressor, via the > > Klima, Push buttons, thermostat, pressure switch and safety > > switch. I have a good fuse in #7 position and I have 13+v at > > terminal 5 in the Klima socket. I have no juice downline, even with > > the jumper in Klima 5-7 pins. > >I don't think there's anything between terminal 7 and the comressor >but a wire. Check out its plug end very carefully! > >-- Jim > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. A/C Kweshun
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:38:09 -0400 Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mercedes offers the following recommendations for adding oil to the AC > system for ALL compressors (York, Delco R4 or A6 and Nippondenso: > > When system is suddenly emptied (blowout) add 40 ml > When replacing Condenser add 20 ml >""" Evaporator add 40 ml >"" Receiver/dryer add 10 ml >"" Intake line add 10 ml >"" Delivery line add 10 ml > > That's from the 1985 Tech. Data Manual and the 1988 TDM shows the same > values. How about when: - the system was suddenly emptied, - replacing the condenser, - replacing the receiver/dryer, and, - replacing the compressor? For the first three, the amount would be 40 + 20 + 10 = 70 ml, but I don't see the number for the compressor. Also, in my situation, after the system was suddenly emptied, the condenser was cut out and the copper lines left behind were crimped over to seal the system. Recently though, the compressor leaked its oil onto the drip pan in my garage. Can I replace seals on the compressor, or is it just better to get a replacement from Rusty? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
If you are lucky, it's a 4 speed 220D. If it's a gasser then it is a 280 6 cylinder. It's still a great engine but not as economical. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: 6/29/07 2:54 PM Subject: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted Hey all, Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes 114 or 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna go check it out tonight. My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? I'm still looking for a backup car -Curt - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 380SL ignition problem
Thanks Don. It is an intermittent thing. When I got there, I put a voltmeter on the Coil + and it had juice. I cranked it and the meter showed juice and it started up. I tried running it a while to duplicate the conditions, but I could not get the problem to appear. I don't remember the resistors on the fender on this car, but I will look again. That was usually one of the first things I checked, back when i had gassers (60s vintage). At 01:37 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: >If it's like my '78 - there are two resisters in-line to the coil - >one for running, the other (lower value) for starting. Check them for >continuity/value. They are on the left inner front fender - ceramic >rectangles. Also check/clean the connections. > >On 6/29/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 85 380SL: > > > > My daughter says that when she tries to start the car, it will crank, > > but won't fire. As she lets off the starter, it tries to fire. I > > told her to try taking the key clear out between tries. It has not > > worked yet. This happened once before, and the problem went away > > without any action. I am thinking it sounds like a problem in the > > ignition contacts in the switch, since it seems to work as the > key is let up. > > > > As I remember, there are start contacts and run contacts inside the > > switch that both feed the ignition circuit. > > > > Any ideas? It is pretty unusual to have the switch fail, so It seems > > likely there is another cause. > > > > Loren Faeth > >-- >OK Don, KD5NRO >Norman, OK >"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise >of fighting a foreign enemy." >-James Madison >'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint
All the vehicles I have seen owned by people in the Mojave desert are white. (unless they are short-timers) At 02:52 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: >I will admit that I do not know the technical answer to the question >posed. However, I think we all know that one >can generally lay one's hand flat on the hood of a white car that >has been sitting in the sun but one cannot do >that with a dark colored car. I have to think that there is going to >be some heat transfer if the metal is hotter. >Given a long enough time, the interior might end up about the same. >We need a test to see if it is true. > >The same sort of thing happens to the interior as well. Try sitting >on a black vinyl seat when the sun has been >shining through the window. My old 68 Chevy pickup has a black bench >seat and you don't want to climb aboard in >summer wearing shorts. My 300D has the off white color seats and I >can never recall the seats being uncomfortable >no matter how warm the car is when I get in. > >Of course, I'm not in Arizona either. > >Randy > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks >Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:48 PM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint > > >Got to chime in on this one. > >I do see the point that given enough time maybe the white car would >gather about as much heat as the black car. But then again, maybe not, >because all the while, the black car's surface is collecting more heat >than the white's. > >I'm chiming in because my Dad (you met him, Chuck - quite a brainy >guy) was always and advocate of the light colored car and pointed out >white roofs on buses etc. We grew up in Tucson. In fact we have a >picture of my sister up on top of our van painting the top of it white >with a brush. Classic picture. > >Of course my dad was all about visibility too, and the lighter colored >cars are good there I think. He liked to point out how the fire trucks >and ambulances switched from red to chartreuse. > >Oh, and when we were teens we wanted sorely to paint our cars red, but >he constantly quoted the statistic that red cars get more tickets. By >the time I was of driving age or a bit older, family authority had >loosened enough that not only did I wind up with a big block coupe as >my first car, but I eventually painted it red (then black!). > >Brian > >On 6/28/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hi Chuck! > > > > i'm sure if they were to sit for long enough there wouldn't be any > > difference, but i can assure you that there is a very real and > > noticeable difference in the black and white painted areas of my J**p... > > i'm betting that after enough hours there would be enough heat energy > > passing through to the interior through the glass that interior temps > > might be equal, but it would appear that having the roof white at least > > slows down the rate at which the vehicle heats up. (ever notice how the > > roofs of school buses, motor homes, and Land Cruisers/Rovers that see > > Dez duty are white?) > > > > > > cheers! > > e > > > > > > Chuck Landenberger wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > Living in the Valley of the Sun, I've got two cars that are tinted > > > and that helps while one is driving. And they are both Smoke Silver > > > because I didn't want any dark colored car. > > > > > > But, does anyone have any information to determine if there is any > > > interior temperature differential between similar black and white > > > cars sitting for a fixed period of time in the sun. > > > > > > I've been told anecdotal info that indicates there is NO difference > > > at all. > > > > > > Just an inquiring mind! > > > > > > Take care and be safe, > > > > > > Chuck > > > Phoenix AZ > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:31 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Loren, > > >> > > >> not sure i understand what your issue with tinting is; what about > > >> tinting makes a car ghetto (or whatever you actually call it)? in > > >> places > > >> where the sun actually shines, it can make a car much more > > >> pleasant, and > > >> even preserve the interior by not allowing interior temps to rise > > >> as high. > > >> > > >> i wouldn't have my J**p XJ now without tinting, but that's because > > >> it plays in the Deserts, high-altitudes, and all along the coasts; all > > >> of which can be sunnier than what i care to expose myself or my > > >> vehicle > > >> interior to... its tinting has only been there for about 10 years so > > >> far, but it still looks fine; no indication of any need to redo it > > >> yet, > > >> but that's probably because it was professionally done by a place that > > >> knew how. granted, it's California Legal (clear front doors and > > >> windshield) because that's where it's registered, but even that > > >> partial > > >> tinting combined with the roof painted white sure seems to keep it > > >> cooler inside than before i made tho
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:49:31 -0400, you wrote: >While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their PC? >I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of >glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with them >I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > My IT guy says that WinXP is the most for the money, he asked me not to put Vista on my machine. If it's not broke why fix it? -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 10Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
Well, like most old cars, value is based mostly on condition. Nice and mostly original will fetch a good price no matter whether it is an MB or a Gremlin. Some will be more desirable and I should think you could lump most of the MB products into that category. As such, the combination of real qualtiy and percieved qualtity should result in a decent price. I would also think that the 115's in decent condition are getting scarce. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted 250. 230. if it's worth 3800 bucks, i've really lost touch with this market. On 6/29/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey all, > > Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes 114 or > 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna go check > it out tonight. > My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? > I'm still looking for a backup car > > -Curt > > > - > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
my god. mentioning vista in the same sentence as the silverbacks. what is this world coming to? On 6/29/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their PC? > I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with them > I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > > > On 6/29/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > USL soccer game of the week, as our atlanta silverbacks visit rochester. > > 8PM. I'm getting excited already! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:05:46 -0700 "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or (b) there is a significant (i.e. ectogenic) leak in the system. ec·tog·e·nous 1. Able to live and develop outside a host, as certain pathogenic microorganisms do. 2. Originating or produced from outside an organism, tissue, or cell; exogenous. Seems like the wrong word to me... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
Hi Andrew Have you come up with any good reason to switch to Vista? I'm still running 98 on my office computer and it isn't doing anything bad ( I think that must be akin to running a 115 MB - out of date but still pretty good). I have 2000 on another computer here in the office and we have 2 more at home plus a laptop all running the XP but have resisted Vista to date. So far, I cannot think of any reason why I would want it. I keep thinking of moving toward Linux. I plan to set up a machine and see how it goes. Gates has enough money. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their PC? I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with them I know it won't be smooth sailing. On 6/29/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > USL soccer game of the week, as our atlanta silverbacks visit rochester. > 8PM. I'm getting excited already! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
thats kind of expensive --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted > Hey all, > > Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes 114 or > 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna go > check it out tonight. > My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? > I'm still looking for a backup car > > -Curt > > > - > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
No, I am waiting on my brother to send me a copy of a volume licensed version. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation > While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their > PC? > I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with > them > I know it won't be smooth sailing. > > > > On 6/29/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> USL soccer game of the week, as our atlanta silverbacks visit rochester. >> 8PM. I'm getting excited already! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their PC? > I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of > glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with them > I know it won't be smooth sailing. Most likely not. Best chance for success will be to wipe the hard drive and do a clean install. "Upgrade" installs on any generation of Windows have a history of being painful. Unless there's some feature of Vista you really NEED (can't imagine), or you just want to play, I'd not bother. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114/115 spotted
250. 230. if it's worth 3800 bucks, i've really lost touch with this market. On 6/29/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey all, > > Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes 114 or > 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna go check > it out tonight. > My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? > I'm still looking for a backup car > > -Curt > > > - > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 114/115 spotted
Hey all, Around the corner from my office theres an as yet unknown Mercedes 114 or 115. All I know is that on the windshield is "72 $3800". I'm gonna go check it out tonight. My suspicion is its a gasser, if it is what might it be? I'm still looking for a backup car -Curt - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint
I will admit that I do not know the technical answer to the question posed. However, I think we all know that one can generally lay one's hand flat on the hood of a white car that has been sitting in the sun but one cannot do that with a dark colored car. I have to think that there is going to be some heat transfer if the metal is hotter. Given a long enough time, the interior might end up about the same. We need a test to see if it is true. The same sort of thing happens to the interior as well. Try sitting on a black vinyl seat when the sun has been shining through the window. My old 68 Chevy pickup has a black bench seat and you don't want to climb aboard in summer wearing shorts. My 300D has the off white color seats and I can never recall the seats being uncomfortable no matter how warm the car is when I get in. Of course, I'm not in Arizona either. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint Got to chime in on this one. I do see the point that given enough time maybe the white car would gather about as much heat as the black car. But then again, maybe not, because all the while, the black car's surface is collecting more heat than the white's. I'm chiming in because my Dad (you met him, Chuck - quite a brainy guy) was always and advocate of the light colored car and pointed out white roofs on buses etc. We grew up in Tucson. In fact we have a picture of my sister up on top of our van painting the top of it white with a brush. Classic picture. Of course my dad was all about visibility too, and the lighter colored cars are good there I think. He liked to point out how the fire trucks and ambulances switched from red to chartreuse. Oh, and when we were teens we wanted sorely to paint our cars red, but he constantly quoted the statistic that red cars get more tickets. By the time I was of driving age or a bit older, family authority had loosened enough that not only did I wind up with a big block coupe as my first car, but I eventually painted it red (then black!). Brian On 6/28/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi Chuck! > > i'm sure if they were to sit for long enough there wouldn't be any > difference, but i can assure you that there is a very real and > noticeable difference in the black and white painted areas of my J**p... > i'm betting that after enough hours there would be enough heat energy > passing through to the interior through the glass that interior temps > might be equal, but it would appear that having the roof white at least > slows down the rate at which the vehicle heats up. (ever notice how the > roofs of school buses, motor homes, and Land Cruisers/Rovers that see > Dez duty are white?) > > > cheers! > e > > > Chuck Landenberger wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Living in the Valley of the Sun, I've got two cars that are tinted > > and that helps while one is driving. And they are both Smoke Silver > > because I didn't want any dark colored car. > > > > But, does anyone have any information to determine if there is any > > interior temperature differential between similar black and white > > cars sitting for a fixed period of time in the sun. > > > > I've been told anecdotal info that indicates there is NO difference > > at all. > > > > Just an inquiring mind! > > > > Take care and be safe, > > > > Chuck > > Phoenix AZ > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:31 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: > > > > > >> Loren, > >> > >> not sure i understand what your issue with tinting is; what about > >> tinting makes a car ghetto (or whatever you actually call it)? in > >> places > >> where the sun actually shines, it can make a car much more > >> pleasant, and > >> even preserve the interior by not allowing interior temps to rise > >> as high. > >> > >> i wouldn't have my J**p XJ now without tinting, but that's because > >> it plays in the Deserts, high-altitudes, and all along the coasts; all > >> of which can be sunnier than what i care to expose myself or my > >> vehicle > >> interior to... its tinting has only been there for about 10 years so > >> far, but it still looks fine; no indication of any need to redo it > >> yet, > >> but that's probably because it was professionally done by a place that > >> knew how. granted, it's California Legal (clear front doors and > >> windshield) because that's where it's registered, but even that > >> partial > >> tinting combined with the roof painted white sure seems to keep it > >> cooler inside than before i made those mods. > >> the tinting in the 300D is a little bit shaggier looking, but it > >> came to me that way; that's only because the POs dogs had left > >> scratches > >> on it in a couple of places (and i don't know how quality of a job it > >> was to begin with). it's a full tint except for the windshield, and > >> also > >>
Re: [MBZ] tonight on fox soccer NOW Windows Vista installation
While we're OT, has anyone installed the new Windoze Vista yet on their PC? I have a relatively new Compaq laptop and am wondering what sort of glitches/flaws/fatal error messages to expect and how to deal with them I know it won't be smooth sailing. On 6/29/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > USL soccer game of the week, as our atlanta silverbacks visit rochester. > 8PM. I'm getting excited already! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD A/C oddity
Wonder why they did not change out the sensor then and bodged that thing up? I'll have to have a go at it. Thanks --R Marshall Booth wrote: > Rich Thomas wrote: > >> I'm trying to get the service records from the PO, if his sister who was >> cleaning out the parents' house has not thrown them out -- anyway, the >> radiator looks to be newish, and the rest of the car was very well >> maintained, and it does not run hot (and it is HOT here), so maybe it is >> just some way to get the fan to run if that sensor was bad (and it >> appears if it is, it would necessitate opening the system to change it >> as it is stuck right up there in the flow path). >> >> I might ponder it more, does not appear to cause any problems. >> >> Thanks for the info. >> > > The temp sensor on the receiver/dryer can be removed without losing the > charge. It threads into a blind hole. In later versions (using a > Nippondenso compressor where a pressure switch rather than a temp switch > is used, the charge is lost when the sensor is removed. The low pressure > switch cannot be removed without losing the charge. > > Marshall > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] tonight on fox soccer
USL soccer game of the week, as our atlanta silverbacks visit rochester. 8PM. I'm getting excited already! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb
One of the things I had to get used to here was all the nice Benzes! And they're CHEAP! Remember Fifth Gear bought a 124 wagon for £500 and tried to kill it. There's loads of them around!! jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD A/C oddity
Rich Thomas wrote: > I'm trying to get the service records from the PO, if his sister who was > cleaning out the parents' house has not thrown them out -- anyway, the > radiator looks to be newish, and the rest of the car was very well > maintained, and it does not run hot (and it is HOT here), so maybe it is > just some way to get the fan to run if that sensor was bad (and it > appears if it is, it would necessitate opening the system to change it > as it is stuck right up there in the flow path). > > I might ponder it more, does not appear to cause any problems. > > Thanks for the info. The temp sensor on the receiver/dryer can be removed without losing the charge. It threads into a blind hole. In later versions (using a Nippondenso compressor where a pressure switch rather than a temp switch is used, the charge is lost when the sensor is removed. The low pressure switch cannot be removed without losing the charge. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paint Color & Heat : was Window Tint
Got to chime in on this one. I do see the point that given enough time maybe the white car would gather about as much heat as the black car. But then again, maybe not, because all the while, the black car's surface is collecting more heat than the white's. I'm chiming in because my Dad (you met him, Chuck - quite a brainy guy) was always and advocate of the light colored car and pointed out white roofs on buses etc. We grew up in Tucson. In fact we have a picture of my sister up on top of our van painting the top of it white with a brush. Classic picture. Of course my dad was all about visibility too, and the lighter colored cars are good there I think. He liked to point out how the fire trucks and ambulances switched from red to chartreuse. Oh, and when we were teens we wanted sorely to paint our cars red, but he constantly quoted the statistic that red cars get more tickets. By the time I was of driving age or a bit older, family authority had loosened enough that not only did I wind up with a big block coupe as my first car, but I eventually painted it red (then black!). Brian On 6/28/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi Chuck! > > i'm sure if they were to sit for long enough there wouldn't be any > difference, but i can assure you that there is a very real and > noticeable difference in the black and white painted areas of my J**p... > i'm betting that after enough hours there would be enough heat energy > passing through to the interior through the glass that interior temps > might be equal, but it would appear that having the roof white at least > slows down the rate at which the vehicle heats up. (ever notice how the > roofs of school buses, motor homes, and Land Cruisers/Rovers that see > Dez duty are white?) > > > cheers! > e > > > Chuck Landenberger wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Living in the Valley of the Sun, I've got two cars that are tinted > > and that helps while one is driving. And they are both Smoke Silver > > because I didn't want any dark colored car. > > > > But, does anyone have any information to determine if there is any > > interior temperature differential between similar black and white > > cars sitting for a fixed period of time in the sun. > > > > I've been told anecdotal info that indicates there is NO difference > > at all. > > > > Just an inquiring mind! > > > > Take care and be safe, > > > > Chuck > > Phoenix AZ > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:31 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: > > > > > >> Loren, > >> > >> not sure i understand what your issue with tinting is; what about > >> tinting makes a car ghetto (or whatever you actually call it)? in > >> places > >> where the sun actually shines, it can make a car much more > >> pleasant, and > >> even preserve the interior by not allowing interior temps to rise > >> as high. > >> > >> i wouldn't have my J**p XJ now without tinting, but that's because > >> it plays in the Deserts, high-altitudes, and all along the coasts; all > >> of which can be sunnier than what i care to expose myself or my > >> vehicle > >> interior to... its tinting has only been there for about 10 years so > >> far, but it still looks fine; no indication of any need to redo it > >> yet, > >> but that's probably because it was professionally done by a place that > >> knew how. granted, it's California Legal (clear front doors and > >> windshield) because that's where it's registered, but even that > >> partial > >> tinting combined with the roof painted white sure seems to keep it > >> cooler inside than before i made those mods. > >> the tinting in the 300D is a little bit shaggier looking, but it > >> came to me that way; that's only because the POs dogs had left > >> scratches > >> on it in a couple of places (and i don't know how quality of a job it > >> was to begin with). it's a full tint except for the windshield, and > >> also > >> one of the only '85s i've seen that doesn't have a single crack in the > >> dash or anywhere else in the interior, in spite of the fact that it > >> was > >> originally a Southern California car. > >> > >> on a recent road trip to Eastern Texas and back, i noticed that in > >> places where they really know sun, it was hard to find cars that > >> *didn't* have tinting... but you know what a ghetto places like > >> Scottsdale, Santa Fe, and Palm Springs are. ;-) > >> > >> > >> cheers! > >> e > >> > >> > >> Loren Faeth wrote: > >> > >>> Why would you want to turn a good MB into a ghetto ride? (my real > >>> terminology is somewhat different) > >>> > >>> Took me hours to scrape of the stupid "tint" off the back window of > >>> the TD. The crap does deteriorate. Even if it is ok for a year or 3 > >>> after it is put on, it deteriorates and is a holy mess to get off. > >>> > >>> At 06:46 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote: > >>> > >>> > Window tinting in Seattle is like buying a snow blower in SO > CA.just in > case I ever need it. > > On 6/28/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECT
Re: [MBZ] 380SL ignition problem
If it's like my '78 - there are two resisters in-line to the coil - one for running, the other (lower value) for starting. Check them for continuity/value. They are on the left inner front fender - ceramic rectangles. Also check/clean the connections. On 6/29/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 85 380SL: > > My daughter says that when she tries to start the car, it will crank, > but won't fire. As she lets off the starter, it tries to fire. I > told her to try taking the key clear out between tries. It has not > worked yet. This happened once before, and the problem went away > without any action. I am thinking it sounds like a problem in the > ignition contacts in the switch, since it seems to work as the key is let up. > > As I remember, there are start contacts and run contacts inside the > switch that both feed the ignition circuit. > > Any ideas? It is pretty unusual to have the switch fail, so It seems > likely there is another cause. > > Loren Faeth -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb
No, they did not want to wait for it to glow. They want an immediate ignition. --R BillR wrote: > Perhaps that explains why they were willing to blow it up > BillR > Jacksonville FL > > << > Sunil asked<> > > I agree it was a 124 - same color as mine - but they don't have style - it > wasn't a diesel! ;-) > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD A/C oddity
I'm trying to get the service records from the PO, if his sister who was cleaning out the parents' house has not thrown them out -- anyway, the radiator looks to be newish, and the rest of the car was very well maintained, and it does not run hot (and it is HOT here), so maybe it is just some way to get the fan to run if that sensor was bad (and it appears if it is, it would necessitate opening the system to change it as it is stuck right up there in the flow path). I might ponder it more, does not appear to cause any problems. Thanks for the info. --R Marshall Booth wrote: > Rich Thomas wrote: > >> My bad, new car -- it is an 84. The thing that is bodged to the hose >> looks like a temp sensor of some sort (almost like the water temp sensor >> that screws into the manifold on my old GM cars!). If so, it is sorta >> measuring temp on that hose fitting. hmmm. >> >> The aux fan runs, I will have to see when it kicks on. >> >> I can take a piccie of it is need be. >> > > I expect that someone modified the AC temp sensor circuit to assist in > engine cooling. That is NOT required if the cooling system is working > properly. The aux fan ONLY should run intermittently when the AC is > running (in an '84 or earlier 126.120 - in 1985 they added an engine > coolant temp sensor that also engaged the aux fan at around 100 deg. C. > or a bit more). > > Marshall > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD A/C oddity
Rich Thomas wrote: > My bad, new car -- it is an 84. The thing that is bodged to the hose > looks like a temp sensor of some sort (almost like the water temp sensor > that screws into the manifold on my old GM cars!). If so, it is sorta > measuring temp on that hose fitting. hmmm. > > The aux fan runs, I will have to see when it kicks on. > > I can take a piccie of it is need be. I expect that someone modified the AC temp sensor circuit to assist in engine cooling. That is NOT required if the cooling system is working properly. The aux fan ONLY should run intermittently when the AC is running (in an '84 or earlier 126.120 - in 1985 they added an engine coolant temp sensor that also engaged the aux fan at around 100 deg. C. or a bit more). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
If you have the tool, you can somewhat easily do it in a day. And yes, my 201 lived in massachsetts for years. I actually had to replace the entire rear subframe due to rust. Surprisingly, this and the two front LCAs got rid of most of it. You'll need a floor jack, jack stands, some really big sockets (21 or 23 mm, can't remember offhand), plus an inverse torx socket. Call up Rusty and tell him you want the bolts too, it's better to use Rusty's bolts than to use rusty bolts. :) It's amazing the difference that the mounts and the links made in the car. On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:50:50AM -0700, Curt Raymond wrote: > > *sigh* in fact I had the links replaced in April but I think I'd waited to > look so the subframe mounts were toast. > The rear end has a decidedly squishy feel. Last night I was going around a > long bend and it felt somewhat like the rear end was coming around the car. > Wierd feeling... > > If I can't do it myself I need to wait until a maintenance period (ie a time > when I don't need the car for awhile) before it goes to the Indy. Is this > something dangerous or can it wait? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
*sigh* in fact I had the links replaced in April but I think I'd waited to look so the subframe mounts were toast. The rear end has a decidedly squishy feel. Last night I was going around a long bend and it felt somewhat like the rear end was coming around the car. Wierd feeling... If I can't do it myself I need to wait until a maintenance period (ie a time when I don't need the car for awhile) before it goes to the Indy. Is this something dangerous or can it wait? -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:00:07 -0700 From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:52:40PM -0400, Marshall Booth wrote: > Curt Raymond wrote: > > Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. > > > > -Curt > > Rear subframe mounts on a 201/124 are much more difficult for the DIYer > than on 123/126s. I must have been sleeping at the tree. It's not too difficult IF you have the press. If you don't have the press, you're stuck using threaded washers, swearing in german, and so on. I'd strongly consider replacing the links while you're in there. If Marshall doesn't have my notes handy (it's been a while since I've done one of these), I can try to conjure up something. - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
I'd agree if the AC in my truck didn't work at all (like on my 190D) but since it works somewhat I'm thinking its just a bit low. I've got 3 days off next week so I'll try 'er out! -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:03:44 -0400 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC question To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yup, my thinking as regards diagnosis of post-'96 A/C systems is > that R134a is so cheap that you might as well try the > mixed-oil-and-refrigerant-with-a-gauge can at McParts before you do > anything else. I'v read that a "proper" A/C recharge requires pulling a vacuum, removing/reclaiming all the refrigerant and any air, moisture etc. that has worked into the system, and then charging with the specified amount of refrigerant. So clearly that is NOT happening when you just "add a can" from McParts, but what I don't know is how beneficial/necessary the full vacuum/recharge *really* is. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
Great! Right now it still cools just not as well as it used to so I'm thinking a can added might do the trick. Thanks -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:50:14 -0700 From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC question To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 6/29/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred's AC question makes me think of my '96 Dodge which has never had any AC work done to it. It seems like its not cooling so well anymore, whats the wisdom on this? There are kits that come with a gauge, presumeably they come with instructions. Presumably this kind of kit is pretty stupid proof? Anybody got a link that might be helpful? > Yup, my thinking as regards diagnosis of post-'96 A/C systems is that R134a is so cheap that you might as well try the mixed-oil-and-refrigerant-with-a-gauge can at McParts before you do anything else. They are as idiotproof as anything involving pressurized explosive stuff can be! R134a systems have different sized fittings for the high and low pressure side, so there is little danger of hooking up the can to the wrong side. You just screw the attached fitting to the low side on the car, start the engine, turn the A/C on, hold the can upside down, press the valve on the can, and wait for the gauge provided to read in the green zone. If the system cools nicely after that, everything's good. If performance declines rapidly, you have a leak somewhere. If it doesn't cool at all, something is wrong other than the charge (maybe an electrical issue keeping the compressor from turning on when it should, or a stuck heater valve). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 380SL ignition problem
85 380SL: My daughter says that when she tries to start the car, it will crank, but won't fire. As she lets off the starter, it tries to fire. I told her to try taking the key clear out between tries. It has not worked yet. This happened once before, and the problem went away without any action. I am thinking it sounds like a problem in the ignition contacts in the switch, since it seems to work as the key is let up. As I remember, there are start contacts and run contacts inside the switch that both feed the ignition circuit. Any ideas? It is pretty unusual to have the switch fail, so It seems likely there is another cause. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD A/C oddity
My bad, new car -- it is an 84. The thing that is bodged to the hose looks like a temp sensor of some sort (almost like the water temp sensor that screws into the manifold on my old GM cars!). If so, it is sorta measuring temp on that hose fitting. hmmm. The aux fan runs, I will have to see when it kicks on. I can take a piccie of it is need be. --R Marshall Booth wrote: > Rich Thomas wrote: > >> Looking over the new 300SD yesterday, I see these two wires, looks like >> they are coming from the A/C drier? pressure sensor (or something), >> which is behind the LF headlight, that are not connected to anything. >> But then the wire they are supposed to connect to, is connected to what >> looks like some sort of thermo sensor that is hose clamped to one of the >> A/C hoses where the rubber part meets the metal part, right there behind >> the condenser. It is a copper-colored cylindrical thing about 3/4" >> diameter, 3/4" long with a smaller cylindrical part on the side opposite >> where the wires connect. Very weird. A/C works OK, I am wondering if >> this is some sort of halfass bypass for an inop switch/sensor that would >> necessitate venting the system to replace. HMMM. >> > > Might help if you told us the YEAR of you 300SD!! The device on the > dryer is either a temp or pressure (depends on the year of the car) > sensor to turn the aux fan on when high side pressure or temp exceeds > the setpoint. > > Marshall > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300D Turbo Smoking/Idle Problem Update
Have you checked chain stretch? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300D Turbo Smoking/Idle Problem Update >> I'm trying to play with the IP timing. In order to adjust IP timing I >> have >> to loosen the three bolts that hold the IP housing then turn the hex >> adjustment - is this correct? I am having a terrible time getting to >> the >> lower bolt. Can I get to it without removing the fan? > > Yes, you can affect timing a few degrees this way, but I believe > you have to unhook the injector lines before rotating the pump > body. Don't forget the fourth bolt at the rear of the pump. > > I find them very easy to access. Once the radiator, condenser, > fan, et al. are all out! > > Have you removed the vacuum pump to look at the condition of > the timer? It's a heavy version of a distributor's centrifugal > advance mechanism. Just on general principles it's good to > pop it out and have a look at the vacuum pump's cam track. > (Not related to your problem.) > > You can check your timing by removing the 3/4" hex cap from the > side of the IP, towards the rear and facing upwards at 2 o'clock. > There's a little 'tit' that should be visible in that hole if the > engine is set at 15 degrees ATDC. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
On 6/29/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yup, my thinking as regards diagnosis of post-'96 A/C systems is > > that R134a is so cheap that you might as well try the > > mixed-oil-and-refrigerant-with-a-gauge can at McParts before you do > > anything else. > > I'v read that a "proper" A/C recharge requires pulling a vacuum, > removing/reclaiming all the refrigerant and any air, moisture > etc. that has worked into the system, and then charging with the > specified amount of refrigerant. So clearly that is NOT happening > when you just "add a can" from McParts, True. I should expand on my reasoning: If the A/C is not cooling well because it's low on refrigerant, either (a) it's just leaked out over time from the leaks inherent in the system (because no 134a system is perfectly sealed---the new molecule is a much more talented escape artist than the old R12 molecule, and so the systems tend to leak down over time even when performing as designed). In this case, the McParts can will fix the problem. Or (b) there is a significant (i.e. ectogenic) leak in the system. The leak will become apparent quickly after cooling performance begins to suffer again. So the McParts can has served as a diagnostic aid. In other words, IMHO the quick fix won't hurt, and may very well help. > but what I don't know is how > beneficial/necessary the full vacuum/recharge *really* is. > In case (b), it is both beneficial and necessary. Further charging should not be done without first pulling a vacuum at the very least and probably also replacing the receiver/dryer and condenser (since on 134 systems the latter is usually a parallel-flow type which tends to trap contamination and is not flushable). Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 124 pdfs needed
Loren Faeth wrote: > It that were the case, then where do the controls come into the > circuit? Are you saying the juice goes to the compressor + and then > out from the compressor - and then to all the control circuitry? If > that were the case, they why am I getting juice to the Klima #5 pin? Power from the fuse goes to pin 5. Pin 7 goes to the clutch. Jump 5 to 7 and the clutch should engage if it has a path to ground (I think the low pressure switch is between the clutch and ground but I'm not sure). The clutch wiring (pin 7) thru the coil to ground should read 3 ohms if the clutch coil and wiring are okay. 2 ohms or lower indicates a shorted winding and much above 4 ohms suggests some added resistance or an open coil. I have had one coil open and one short internally. Replaced them both from old clutches. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:52:40PM -0400, Marshall Booth wrote: > Curt Raymond wrote: > > Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was > > thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. > > > > -Curt > > Rear subframe mounts on a 201/124 are much more difficult for the DIYer > than on 123/126s. I must have been sleeping at the tree. It's not too difficult IF you have the press. If you don't have the press, you're stuck using threaded washers, swearing in german, and so on. I'd strongly consider replacing the links while you're in there. If Marshall doesn't have my notes handy (it's been a while since I've done one of these), I can try to conjure up something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
Curt Raymond wrote: > Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was > thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. > > -Curt Rear subframe mounts on a 201/124 are much more difficult for the DIYer than on 123/126s. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300D Turbo Smoking/Idle Problem Update
> > I'm trying to play with the IP timing. In order to adjust IP timing I have > to loosen the three bolts that hold the IP housing then turn the hex > adjustment - is this correct? I am having a terrible time getting to the > lower bolt. Can I get to it without removing the fan? Ken: I would suggest you check the timing first before worrying about adjusting it. I have done this statically using the IP locking device. Just looking through the access port may give you an indication if it is close, but I would recommend an accurate measurement. I am attaching my procedure for checking and adjusting the IP timing. Note it was done as part of a job to replace the flange or circular cam that drives the vacuum pump. -- SANTÉ Doug Quance Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MB IP timing.doc Type: application/msword Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070629/49ec6d25/attachment.doc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 124 pdfs needed
It that were the case, then where do the controls come into the circuit? Are you saying the juice goes to the compressor + and then out from the compressor - and then to all the control circuitry? If that were the case, they why am I getting juice to the Klima #5 pin? At 11:03 AM 6/29/2007, you wrote: > > I need to trace/test the wiring from fuse to compressor, via the > > Klima, Push buttons, thermostat, pressure switch and safety > > switch. I have a good fuse in #7 position and I have 13+v at > > terminal 5 in the Klima socket. I have no juice downline, even with > > the jumper in Klima 5-7 pins. > >I don't think there's anything between terminal 7 and the comressor >but a wire. Check out its plug end very carefully! > >-- Jim > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD A/C oddity
Rich Thomas wrote: > Looking over the new 300SD yesterday, I see these two wires, looks like > they are coming from the A/C drier? pressure sensor (or something), > which is behind the LF headlight, that are not connected to anything. > But then the wire they are supposed to connect to, is connected to what > looks like some sort of thermo sensor that is hose clamped to one of the > A/C hoses where the rubber part meets the metal part, right there behind > the condenser. It is a copper-colored cylindrical thing about 3/4" > diameter, 3/4" long with a smaller cylindrical part on the side opposite > where the wires connect. Very weird. A/C works OK, I am wondering if > this is some sort of halfass bypass for an inop switch/sensor that would > necessitate venting the system to replace. HMMM. Might help if you told us the YEAR of you 300SD!! The device on the dryer is either a temp or pressure (depends on the year of the car) sensor to turn the aux fan on when high side pressure or temp exceeds the setpoint. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Semi O.T. A/C Kweshun
Jim Cathey wrote: >> I have RTFM and have all necessary stuff and tools. The Question is >> this:- if some portion of the gas has leaked out, and presumably some >> of the oil, how do you estimate the quantity of oil remaining? Do I >> use one of those charge cans with oil, or will that over oil things? > > Ah, that is the part that's art, innit? The Yorks had an advantage > there in that they have a crankcase and a dipstick. > > I have no practical advice. I believe I lost my 190D's compressor due > to a lack of oil, however. Mercedes offers the following recommendations for adding oil to the AC system for ALL compressors (York, Delco R4 or A6 and Nippondenso: When system is suddenly emptied (blowout) add 40 ml When replacing Condenser add 20 ml """ Evaporator add 40 ml "" Receiver/dryer add 10 ml "" Intake line add 10 ml "" Delivery line add 10 ml That's from the 1985 Tech. Data Manual and the 1988 TDM shows the same values. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
"Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yup, my thinking as regards diagnosis of post-'96 A/C systems is > that R134a is so cheap that you might as well try the > mixed-oil-and-refrigerant-with-a-gauge can at McParts before you do > anything else. I'v read that a "proper" A/C recharge requires pulling a vacuum, removing/reclaiming all the refrigerant and any air, moisture etc. that has worked into the system, and then charging with the specified amount of refrigerant. So clearly that is NOT happening when you just "add a can" from McParts, but what I don't know is how beneficial/necessary the full vacuum/recharge *really* is. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 124 pdfs needed
> I need to trace/test the wiring from fuse to compressor, via the > Klima, Push buttons, thermostat, pressure switch and safety > switch. I have a good fuse in #7 position and I have 13+v at > terminal 5 in the Klima socket. I have no juice downline, even with > the jumper in Klima 5-7 pins. I don't think there's anything between terminal 7 and the comressor but a wire. Check out its plug end very carefully! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Central locks failing
Not sure what type actuator you are talking about, but it sounds like the old type. Check eBay item 290134199414. Regards, Dan Steadman 1980 300D 1980 300TD Subject: Re: [MBZ] Central locks failing To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually, one of our Aussie brethren discovered a latex condom placed > over the old diaphram provided enough of a seal to repair many a > vacuum pod. Never tried it myself... I could see that working for a short time, but thin latex is not the most durable stuff -- that's why condoms have expiry dates. I would imagine it would deteriorate and fail a lot faster than the original. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC question
On 6/29/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred's AC question makes me think of my '96 Dodge which has never had any AC > work done to it. It seems like its not cooling so well anymore, whats the > wisdom on this? There are kits that come with a gauge, presumeably they come > with instructions. Presumably this kind of kit is pretty stupid proof? > Anybody got a link that might be helpful? > Yup, my thinking as regards diagnosis of post-'96 A/C systems is that R134a is so cheap that you might as well try the mixed-oil-and-refrigerant-with-a-gauge can at McParts before you do anything else. They are as idiotproof as anything involving pressurized explosive stuff can be! R134a systems have different sized fittings for the high and low pressure side, so there is little danger of hooking up the can to the wrong side. You just screw the attached fitting to the low side on the car, start the engine, turn the A/C on, hold the can upside down, press the valve on the can, and wait for the gauge provided to read in the green zone. If the system cools nicely after that, everything's good. If performance declines rapidly, you have a leak somewhere. If it doesn't cool at all, something is wrong other than the charge (maybe an electrical issue keeping the compressor from turning on when it should, or a stuck heater valve). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 87 124 pdfs needed
Would anyone be kind enough to send me the applicable pdfs so I can track down the Air Conditioning wiring on an 87 300D 124? I seem to have misplaced my cd. I out it out so I could look up A/C related stuff, but now I can't figure out where I put it. I need to trace/test the wiring from fuse to compressor, via the Klima, Push buttons, thermostat, pressure switch and safety switch. I have a good fuse in #7 position and I have 13+v at terminal 5 in the Klima socket. I have no juice downline, even with the jumper in Klima 5-7 pins. I am presuming the circuit is going from the fuse to the Klima, and is getting lost after that somewhere. Loren Faeth 87 300D no a/c 88 300TE, no cool et al ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300D Turbo Smoking/Idle Problem Update
I don't think you need to play with the IP *unless* there's a reason to suspect it has changed without help from you or a technician - if youfound the hold down bolts loose then it may have changed, but if it's the same it was when it ran good, I woud not think it changed without help. Uness there's internal damage to the IP or it's timing device - Does it produce smoke all the time? Only when cold? only when warmed up? Only when idling? Only when driving at speed? All the time? Is engine power missing or low? Good luck -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Ken Rushing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 300D Turbo Smoking/Idle Problem Update >I checked the oil pan for debris and found nothing. > > I'm trying to play with the IP timing. In order to adjust IP timing I have > to loosen the three bolts that hold the IP housing then turn the hex > adjustment - is this correct? I am having a terrible time getting to the > lower bolt. Can I get to it without removing the fan? > > I'll check my fuel lines again for leaks and the air intake for > obstructions > but previously I found none. > > Does anyone know a good MBZ mechanic in the Indy area that I could take > this > to. I'm sure he/she could find something that I have overlooked or > misdiagnosed. > > Thanks again for all your help. This forum is great. > > Ken > > Within a couple of days my car began to smoke terrible (thick grey smoke) > and idle very rough. There is no oil in the coolant or coolant in the oil. > The radiator hoses are not pressurized when the engine is cold. Also the > coolant level has not changed and there are no fuel leaks. I've changed > the > plugs, the camshaft timing is good, ran it with fresh diesel > then ran with diesel injection cleaner. I removed the injectors and viewed > the spray pattern on each and they look good. EGR valve is not stuck open. > All ball pins in the prechamber are intact. The exhaust tappets have only > about 1-2 mm play. I have good compression > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 5:57 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb
Perhaps that explains why they were willing to blow it up BillR Jacksonville FL << Sunil asked<> I agree it was a 124 - same color as mine - but they don't have style - it wasn't a diesel! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] AC question
Fred's AC question makes me think of my '96 Dodge which has never had any AC work done to it. It seems like its not cooling so well anymore, whats the wisdom on this? There are kits that come with a gauge, presumeably they come with instructions. Presumably this kind of kit is pretty stupid proof? Anybody got a link that might be helpful? Thanks -Curt - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb
Sunil asked<> I agree it was a 124 - same color as mine - but they don't have style - it wasn't a diesel! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's da bomb > looks like a 124 - how do terrorists have style? > > On 6/29/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Looks like the evil-doers are stepping up in class, that London car bomb >> wannabe was in a nice big Benz. Evil, pure evil. >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/world/europe/29cnd-london.html?_r=1&oref=slogin >> >> --R >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > Sunil Hari > 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 513-205-7474 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 5:57 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch injector rebuild on 600SEL V12
James, If you dont want to tear into the injectors yourself - all yellow pages usually have at least 1 Bosch authorized service center - if you don;t see one (look under engines), look under truck servicing - most will work on the small diesels also - If you still can't find one, contact me off line and I'll give you the name of the local shop that does great work around here. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "James Zavesky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] Bosch injector rebuild on 600SEL V12 > > Listers where would I send my Bosch injectors to get rebuilt and > calibrated? > Is there any difference in performance or longevity versus new? > Car is a 1992 600SEL V12 with 139900 miles on it. > Dealership told me that four of the injectors were bad when they tried > putting top end of engine back together. > > Thanks > > James Zavesky > 1991 500SL > 1992 600SEL > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 5:57 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D subframe mounts
Curt. The diff. on a 201-190D, DT etc bolts directly to the subframe, not rubber mounted. Of course I'm known for my flights of fancy, so check it out. YMMV Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT 300TD - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-Benz car for sale
Mobil 1, just expect a few drips. :-) Ed 300E On 29/06/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/06/worlds_oldest_car_for_sal.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 > > What kind of oil would I use in this car? > > --R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
I thought there was one on the old mbz.org site, but I couldn't find it. It's not difficult, it just involves a lot of brute force sort of work. Start in advance and soak the bolt really, really well with penetrating oil. You'll need a breaker bar to get it loose, I guarantee. Lube up the new mounts with dishwashing soap so they'll slip in place easily. Along the same thread, you might want to consider replacing your differential mount, too. You would be amazed at the difference it will make in the way the back end handles. It's an easy job (under 30 minutes) and the results are quite noticeable. Dan --- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My > 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them > myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Subframe mounts, as others have stated. > > This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive > job. > A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and > soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be > fine. > > Dan > > > - > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Road trip
We'll be out of town for a week or so. Heading to the wilds of Alta, Wyoming. (Jackson Hole area.) Will be swinging back through Yellowstone to show my boy some stinking water features. Leaving in an hour or two, but if anybody wants to chat cars in Alta, Driggs, or JH e-mail nowish! MB Content: ours will be getting a nice rest. This is Dodge territory, with camper. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again
Does anybody have a writeup on subframe mounts? My 190D needs 'em and I was thinking of doing them myself. Good excuse to buy a floorjack I think. -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD rear camber, again To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subframe mounts, as others have stated. This is a pretty easy and relatively inexpensive job. A bit of brute force, but if you plan in advance and soak everything well with penetrating lube you'll be fine. Dan - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/C Oel Kweshun
> I'm gonna go for the oil and gas mixed charge. > Does this make it a two-stroke? Yes! A ten-cylinder two-stroke pump, in the case of the ND. (Two-cylinder for York, four for R4, six for A6, ten for 10P15C, you get the picture!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-Benz car for sale
> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/06/ > worlds_oldest_car_for_sal.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 > > What kind of oil would I use in this car? Whale, naturally! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD A/C oddity
> where the wires connect. Very weird. A/C works OK, I am wondering if > this is some sort of halfass bypass for an inop switch/sensor that > would > necessitate venting the system to replace. HMMM. Sounds like it. There are usually two sensors, one pressure sensor that cuts off the compressor for out-of-tolerance pressures, and one temperature sensor (not pressurized) that runs the auxiliary fan. It's easy to tell which is which if you can't recognize them, just unhook a wire and see if the compressor stops working! The other switch, when shorted, should make the fan run. The temperature switch isn't pressurized, you can just replace it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
