Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
Gerry, Here's something that might be of help. Note the * footnotes. http://www.gates.com/downloads/download_common.cfm?file=TBR05.pdf&folder=brochure John On 8/18/07, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which Japanese/Korean cars are "not" valve benders? > Thanks, > Gerry > - > - Original Message - > From: "John Freer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Manufacturers spend millions of dollars to publish owners manuals. The > > general public (those that can read) are not to blame. > > > > On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. > >> This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I > >> don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something > >> close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up > >> at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very > >> reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they > >> are reliable, with a very severe caveat. > >> You would think that it would be better known that these cars will > >> just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. > >> Brian > >> > >> On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Redghost wrote: > >> > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you > can > >> > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said > to > >> > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 > >> > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the > >> > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone > >> > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k > >> > > >> > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference > >> > engine. > >> > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no > guarantee, > >> > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it > >> > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 > >> > Escort > >> > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a > >> > 1.9Lso > >> > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 > miles > >> > a day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little > brother > >> > when > >> > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again > >> > so > >> > I'm guessing a defective belt. > >> > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Using Beer as gun oil, I recommend stout
You should move to England the home of Beer porrige, I remember when we first landed at Waterloo station we had to have a wee drink to get over all the customs BS. Anyway we find ourself a cosy little pup just around the corner, the publican offered a pint of his house speciality. Flat beer, I guess that was supposed to be a bit of a joke as Australians are known for their over-carbonated beers. My mate couldn't finish his, so I had to polish both off. However things where better in Ireland and their stouts are delicious, particularly Murphy's in Cork, best stout ever. However once again my mate was in trouble, like they say, when you think that the world is falling down around you, have a few stouts and then the world will fall out of you. OK Don wrote: > Yes - no beer that you can see your fingers on the back side of the > glass though is worth drinking. You can chew the best ones. > . > >> ___ >> Anyone disagree with these lists? >> Gerry >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
No we don't, we used too but had a shooting in Pt. Arthur in which a nutter got a hold of an unsecured assault rifle and shot 30+ people. Enter the genius Government and worla, a little old gun buyback scheme later and no more guns. Well, criminals still have guns but that is different, at least all those dangerous Farmers had to hand in all their overpowered, auto and most semi auto weapons. Said genius Government also decided to partly fund this $500 million buy back scheme by cutting spending in other areas such as mental health. This doesn't make sense to me but what would I know, I'm an idiot. Anyway all the honest gun owners sold their firearms to the Government and the rest buried them out the back somewhere. The criminals just doubled the price of illegal guns and it seems that is where we are at today. It is still possible to have a firearm but it is very difficult and it is still possible to buy illegal just about everything. It seems that whenever the cops raid the local Biker HQ they find the usual handguns, sawn offs, semi autos, a big wad of cash and drugs. Just like they used to before the grand buy back scheme. Heck, these days it is even illegal to carry a knife without lawful excuse. However in all fairness to the genius Government, we have not had a major shooting since, just little ones. Of course should a foreign nation ever decide to invade Oz we can count on our good friends the US of A and their arsenal to protect us. archer wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Hendrik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing >> machine, I can hardly wait. >> Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of >> stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes >> forum, when MB don't even make firearms? >> > --- > Don't Australians have guns? > Gerry > > ___ > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Death sats - was: Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
It seems than at Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:45:54 +0930, Hendrik wrote: > Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing > machine, I can hardly wait. > Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of > stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes > forum, when MB don't even make firearms? > ...don't understand that there > are people in the world who actually hate guns and find talk about these > machines of death offensive. "machines of death". In the USA, the number of deaths: 44000 due to automobile accidents 29500 due to firearms (including 16,000 _suicides_) http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/huge-toll-in-car-fatalities-in-us-goes-unnoticed/ http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html So are you referring to our cars when you say "machines of death"? Maybe you should be. Way to die, and the number of deaths in 2003 due to each - from: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm All External Causes of Mortality 166,857 Motor-Vehicle Accidents,44,757 Intentional self-harm 31,484 Accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances 19,457 Assault 17,732 Falls 17,229 Firearm (non-suicide) 12,267 Accidental asphyxiations (threats to breathing) 8,885 Complications of medical and surgical care 2,855 Maybe where you are the roads are safer. Or the chance of poison is less. Or gravity doesn't work so hard so a fall is less likely. I see three significant conclusions from this data. * The roads are much more dangerous than the guns. * If I choose to defend myself and my family, we are less likely to be one of the 17,000. * The risk of dieing from assault is less than death by poison and nearly the same as death from a fall - so why worry about assault protection. --Philip, owner of many machines of death - mostly W123s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pinto Deja Vu
There's a gawdawful pumpkin orange one here, sitting on a parking lot with a "for sale" sign in the window. Not a wagon though, a hatchback. "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here I go mentioning a Pinto Wagon in one of my posts this week. And > then today, I drive over to Walley World and park beside one. There > really is one left and someone is actually driving it! > > Maybe I should mention a Ferrari Testerossa. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics
LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Few people understand that meter accuracy is a > percentage of the range, so when you're way down > at the bottom of the range you're probably so far out > of the percentage of accuracy it's not funny. Same for torque wrenches, incidentally. Ideally you want to have one where the torque you are wanting is in the middle range of the wrench. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
Yes - no beer that you can see your fingers on the back side of the glass though is worth drinking. You can chew the best ones. . > ___ > Anyone disagree with these lists? > Gerry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Light beer and hotdogs: was Mobil 1 gun oil
>> Wonko the Sane wrote: >>> I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something >>> other than guns and penis size. -- The expert beer drinkers and hot dog eaters at Consumers Reports recently did a report on light beer and hotdogs: Best: Michelob Ultra Amber Second Best: Michelob Light Third: Michelob Ultra Fourth: Coors Light Fifth: Sam Adams Light Sixth: Budweiser Select Seventh: Bush Light Eighth: Bud Light Ninth: Natural Light Tenth: Keystone Eleventh: Miller Lite The following "More Defects" beers were not in the same league as the above: 12. Miller High Life Light 13. Milwaukees Best Light 14. Yuengling Light 15. Stroh's Light 16. Labatt Blue Light 17. Heiniken Premium Light 18. Amstel Light 19. Corona Light. Becks Premier Light was in the Skunky and Oxidized category. Best Bargains were Busch Light, Natural Light, and Keystone Light. --- Hotdogs: Beginning with the best were: Hebrew National kosher beef, Nathans Famous beef, Boars Head beef, Hebrew National reduced fat, Boars Head light beef, Ball Park beef, Sabrett beef. The following were not in the same league as the above: Oscar Mayer beef, Oscar Mayer light beef, Applegate Farms organic, Dietz and Watson beef, Coleman Natural beef, Whole Ranch beef, Ball Park, Ball Park lite, Oscar Mayer turkey weiners, Jennie-O turkey, Bar S turkey pork beef, Oscar Mayer/Louise Rich turkey, Bar S chicken, Gwaltney chicken, The following were so bad they got a category all by themselves: Ball Park turkey, Ball Park beef fat-free. ___ Anyone disagree with these lists? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
- Original Message - From: "Hendrik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing > machine, I can hardly wait. > Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of > stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes > forum, when MB don't even make firearms? --- Don't Australians have guns? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
Iowa is a very nice place to live. I grew up in WV, went to college in SC, and have lived since then in NC, VA, NC again, MA, FL, NYC, VA/DC, and FL once again. Iowa is definitely the nicest place I've had the opportunity to call home. On 8/18/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:33:42 -0500 "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Iowa is a nice place to live except during the every-four-year cycle of > > Prez elections. > > So, what's Iowa like at times other than presidential elections? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change: Iowa's a nice place to live
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:33:42 -0500 "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Iowa is a nice place to live except during the every-four-year cycle of > Prez elections. So, what's Iowa like at times other than presidential elections? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change
Iowa is a nice place to live except during the every-four-year cycle of Prez elections. On 8/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < other than guns and penis size.>. > > And Iowa. > > RLE > > > ** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
Which Japanese/Korean cars are "not" valve benders? Thanks, Gerry - - Original Message - From: "John Freer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Manufacturers spend millions of dollars to publish owners manuals. The > general public (those that can read) are not to blame. > > On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. >> This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I >> don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something >> close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up >> at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very >> reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they >> are reliable, with a very severe caveat. >> You would think that it would be better known that these cars will >> just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. >> Brian >> >> On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Redghost wrote: >> > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can >> > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to >> > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 >> > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the >> > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone >> > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k >> > >> > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference >> > engine. >> > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee, >> > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it >> > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 >> > Escort >> > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a >> > 1.9Lso >> > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 miles >> > a day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother >> > when >> > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again >> > so >> > I'm guessing a defective belt. >> > Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rocker switch
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:41:18 -0400 "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 'Just to get an MB topic in: I have a little mobility scooter icon > > 'Been fun making it. Glad you're still having fun, Wilton. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] subject change
<. And Iowa. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rocker switch
'Just to get an MB topic in: I have a little mobility scooter icon ready to apply to the authentic MB rocker switch that powers my scooter charging system. 'Just need to pick the right glue for paper to plastic and control my shaking hands enough to attach it. 'Thinking 'bout covering it with clear nail polish. The icon is white on black disc 'zackly like originals and same size as originals. 'Gonna be hard to tell that I printed it on my copier - 'less one looks close, of course. 'Been fun making it. Wilton 87 300D 104kmi 91 350SDL 187kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
...using POW labor, too... Dan --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe that if you do your research that you will > find that Mercedes > did make fire arms during WW2. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "Hendrik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: 8/18/07 9:18 PM > Subject: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil > > Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is > best for your killing > > machine, I can hardly wait. > Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums > for this kind of > stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about > guns on a Mercedes > forum, when MB don't even make firearms? > I don't mind the odd off topic discussion but as > always when the chatter > > comes around to guns in goes on and on and on and it > is always the same > discussion, just a different way around. > I do not make a habit of jumping on people if posts > are off topic but > enough is enough. I know those of you who have a 44 > lying next to the > keyboard, in case someone invades your home, don't > understand that there > > are people in the world who actually hate guns and > find talk about these > > machines of death offensive. Yeah I spose you do > know that and are just > waiting your chance to cull the herd to make it > stronger but hate breeds > > hate. > I wouldn't mind a discussion of why the US has this > culture of violence > but that might not be what people want to get into > and this may not be > the place for that. > > Rich Thomas wrote: > > What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make > that, in your, uh, > > car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! > > > > --Rr > > > > Wonko the Sane wrote: > > > >> I was trying to start a new oil thread so we > could talk about > something > >> other than guns and penis size. > >> > >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
I believe that if you do your research that you will find that Mercedes did make fire arms during WW2. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Hendrik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 8/18/07 9:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing machine, I can hardly wait. Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes forum, when MB don't even make firearms? I don't mind the odd off topic discussion but as always when the chatter comes around to guns in goes on and on and on and it is always the same discussion, just a different way around. I do not make a habit of jumping on people if posts are off topic but enough is enough. I know those of you who have a 44 lying next to the keyboard, in case someone invades your home, don't understand that there are people in the world who actually hate guns and find talk about these machines of death offensive. Yeah I spose you do know that and are just waiting your chance to cull the herd to make it stronger but hate breeds hate. I wouldn't mind a discussion of why the US has this culture of violence but that might not be what people want to get into and this may not be the place for that. Rich Thomas wrote: > What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, > car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! > > --Rr > > Wonko the Sane wrote: > >> I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something >> other than guns and penis size. >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
It's amazing just how much info is in those small books. I still go through all my owners manuals once or twice a year, just to refresh my memory. Ed 300E On 18/08/07, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Manufacturers spend millions of dollars to publish owners manuals. The > general public (those that can read) are not to blame. > > On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. > > > > This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I > > don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something > > close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up > > at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very > > reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they > > are reliable, with a very severe caveat. > > > > You would think that it would be better known that these cars will > > just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. > > > > Brian > > > > On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Redghost wrote: > > > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you > can > > > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to > > > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 > > > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the > > > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone > > > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k > > > > > > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference > engine. > > > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no > guarantee, > > > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it > > > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 > Escort > > > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a > 1.9Lso > > > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 > miles > > a > > > day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother > > when > > > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again > so > > > I'm guessing a defective belt. > > > > > > Mitch. > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Now: Mobil 1 gun oil
Ooooh goody, here come 200 posts about what oil is best for your killing machine, I can hardly wait. Don't the National Rambo Association have any forums for this kind of stuff? Do we really have to have 2000+ posts about guns on a Mercedes forum, when MB don't even make firearms? I don't mind the odd off topic discussion but as always when the chatter comes around to guns in goes on and on and on and it is always the same discussion, just a different way around. I do not make a habit of jumping on people if posts are off topic but enough is enough. I know those of you who have a 44 lying next to the keyboard, in case someone invades your home, don't understand that there are people in the world who actually hate guns and find talk about these machines of death offensive. Yeah I spose you do know that and are just waiting your chance to cull the herd to make it stronger but hate breeds hate. I wouldn't mind a discussion of why the US has this culture of violence but that might not be what people want to get into and this may not be the place for that. Rich Thomas wrote: > What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, > car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! > > --Rr > > Wonko the Sane wrote: > >> I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something >> other than guns and penis size. >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freakswholove guns
some people also feel that they should not have to be driven from their homes by criminal thugs and their enablers in government. On 8/18/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > wonko wrote:< the radio to the officers being on-scene>> > > That's STILL after you've been stabbed, robbed, raped or beaten. And in a > situation like that, 90 sec can be a lifetime. > > But if it gives you a feeling of security to know a officer will arrive > quickly *after* you have recovered (if you recover) from whatever injury a > criminal decided you deserve, great and were able to crawl to the phone > and > dial 911, sounds ideal. The officers will arrive, fill out some forms, > ask > lots of questions and say 1 of 2 things: we'll start looking for the guy, > or - he's long gone and we have better things to do than chase shadows, > forget about it if you can and pray it doesn't happen again. > > As far as moving - not everyone has that ability. Some people are too old > or are unwilling/unable to relocate - some people have limited resources, > etc. Also, there's no guarantee they'll move to a safer place. Perhaps a > few hundred thousand people could move to your small town? > > Your suggestion about practicing gun safety is a excellent suggestion. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the > freakswholove > guns > > > > My only serious comment in this discussion. I haveguns by proxy, and > they > > are in the possession of our town's law enforcement officers. Some, such > > as > > Kleb, live where it might take law enforcement a hour to respond (he > lives > > way out in the sticks). For me, and this is not a guess but from > > observation, there is normally less than 90 seconds between a 911 call > on > > the radio to the officers being on-scene. (I have a scanner because of > my > > job.) > > > > I live in a small town. At full throttle, the cops could go from end to > > end > > in about five minutes. I feel protected. We have very few drug crazed > > crazies out wandering the neighborhood -- in fact, 99% of them are on my > > case load at work! > > > > For those of you who feel you must pack heat to get thru the day, I have > > but > > two things to say: > > > > 1. Practice gun safety. > > > > 2. Freekin' move! Whatever it is you do for a living, you can do it in a > > safer environment. > > > > D. > > > > > > On 8/17/07, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Well, I'm also one of those people with guns, and I'm perfectly willing > >> to > >> use them, under very very very limited circumstances. But, this topic > >> has > >> run its course, and isn't productive or insightful. > >> > >> On 8/17/07, Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > You wanna be careful, remember these are people with guns we are > >> > stirring up. I am pretty safe cause these days getting a shooter on a > >> > plane is way hard and unless I stirred them up so much that they are > >> > gonna row across the pond, I should be safe. You however may live > next > >> > door to one of our dear > >> > Imgoonashootanyonewhocomesthroughthatdoorevenifitismydrunkson aka > shoot > >> > first think later type of listers. > >> > > >> > > >> Casey > >> __ > >> '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel > >> '94 100CSQ Avant > >> '90 90Q > >> '89 Bluestar > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > LT Don > > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: > 8/17/2007 > > 5:43 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _
Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freakswholoveguns
if they show up at all On 8/18/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Police do not protect us. > > Police come after the fact. > > After the crime. > > After the shooting. > > After you have been robbed. > > After you've been shot. > > After.. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Mitch Haley > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:00 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the > freakswholoveguns > > > > Wonko the Sane wrote: > > > > My only serious comment in this discussion. I haveguns by proxy, and > they > > are in the possession of our town's law enforcement officers. > > I would never rely upon others that way. Especially since the courts have > ruled time and time again that the police are NOT there to protect us. > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
Mobil 1 15-W-50.:-) On 8/18/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, > car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! > > --Rr > > Wonko the Sane wrote: > > I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something > > other than guns and penis size. > > > > On 8/18/07, Gary Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Don, > >> > >> What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on > another > >> list? > >> > >> On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D? > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
What kind of oil do you use on your, wait, make that, in your, uh, car!!? Yeah, that's the ticket! --Rr Wonko the Sane wrote: > I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something > other than guns and penis size. > > On 8/18/07, Gary Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Don, >> >> What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on another >> list? >> >> On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D? >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
I was trying to start a new oil thread so we could talk about something other than guns and penis size. On 8/18/07, Gary Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don, > > What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on another > list? > > On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
According to my paintball playing teenager, frozen paintballs are not only injurious, they could possibly be lethal. The logistics of using a paintball gun with frozen paintballs as a personal protection device is questionable, however. Dan --- Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It gets better, The local porcine patrol has run out > of bullets. > http://tinyurl.com/2uxw6g > > Your local mounties may have to resort to Paint > Balls to subdue > criminals. They can no longer qualify on the AR-15 > or upgrade the > the .45 colt from the little pea shooters. > > Arm yourself with odd caliber rounds and shoot > them criminals > yourself > > clay Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
That's all I've put into my cars. My SD went about 1500 miles between quarts. It leaked enough that the tail lights/bumper/license plate would be speckled with oil after highway trips. Dad's '85 300D went to Reno and back, 3,600 miles and used about 3/4 qt. Not high consumption in my book. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Luther wrote: >> Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 >> >> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:45:24 -0500, Wonko the Sane >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D? > > While Mobil 1 5W-40 Turbodiesel Truck, 5W-40 ESP Formula M, 5W-40 and > 0W-40 are Mercedes approved, consumption may be a bit high in an OM61x > engined car. I would recommend M-1 15W-50 even in winter in the northern > US. > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth Ph.D. > Ass't Prof. (ret.) > Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
It gets better, The local porcine patrol has run out of bullets. http://tinyurl.com/2uxw6g Your local mounties may have to resort to Paint Balls to subdue criminals. They can no longer qualify on the AR-15 or upgrade the the .45 colt from the little pea shooters. Arm yourself with odd caliber rounds and shoot them criminals yourself clay On 18 Aug 2007, at 08:44, Gary Hurst wrote: > cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this > story if > pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options > available. > why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? > > cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the > end of the > day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter > because > they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. > > On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Kevin wrote: >>> If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's >>> behind >> your >>> target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. >> >> Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they >> were required to learn for their jobs. >> >> Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: >> http://newsok.com/article/3098884 >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Hendrik wrote: > > That's my point, you can buy heavy duty (relative to a car) stands for > not much money. > Still you have to be careful where you use them, on concrete/asphalt no > problem but on soft ground extra care needs to be taken. > It is a good idea once the car is up to try and move it with your hand > to determine how stable it is, you do not want to find out the hard way. I do some work on my dirt driveway. Always put the stands, and often the jack, on a piece of 2x12" lumber. 12" long works fine for a jack stand, 36" for the floor jack so it can roll freely as it raises. Craig McCluskey wrote: > > Rubber jack point? My W201, and I'm pretty sure my W116, has four rubber pads under the body that are intended for lifting the entire car on a shop hoist. With the 201, it's mandatory to use these because many of the other possible jack points have plastic fairings or belly pans under them. (my 201 is a 16v, others may vary, I don't think all 201s have fairings on the control arms) When I want to raise the 201 fully, I put the back end on ramps and raise the front with the factory jack, putting the stands under the round rubber pads located inboard of the rocker panel jack tubes. I've only jacked up my 300SD to remove wheels, it's tall enough to let me do stuff like tranny fluid changes without raising the car. A previous owner put P215/75R14 tires on it, so it's taller than the average W116. Also gets 27mpg at 80mph, possibly aided by the larger rolling diameter of the tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
Craig McCluskey wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:11:19 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in. > > So it has nothing like a timing chain gallery that would interfere with > sliding the old one out? 2.2 and 2.5 mopar had belts outside the head. Not sure how hard it would be to clear the head alignment dowels without taking the belt off. I always removed head and manifolds together, then took off the manifolds and sent the head to the machine shop for cleaning and warp check. Also spent some time removing all signs of the gasket from the block. Raising the head 1/2" and slipping the new gasket in seems a bit substandard to me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
That's my point, you can buy heavy duty (relative to a car) stands for not much money. Still you have to be careful where you use them, on concrete/asphalt no problem but on soft ground extra care needs to be taken. It is a good idea once the car is up to try and move it with your hand to determine how stable it is, you do not want to find out the hard way. Mitch Haley wrote: > > Halfway decent Chinese 4 leg stands with ratchet height adjusters are > about $25-35US with a cheap hydraulic floor jack included. (but you will > probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory jack, and put > the stand under the rubber jack point) > > If you have any of the 1970's style with a three legged 5" wide base, > and height adjustment by sticking a 3/8" pin in a hole, scrap them > and get something better. > > ___ > h > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] citric acid
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:44:33 -0400 "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just looked through the archives-seems as if the consensus is about 1 > pound of citric acid per gallon of H2O. Where does one buy citric acid? > I tried the local pharmacy today and they didn't carry it. IIRC, my > mother used to use it when canning peaches. I bought 10 lbs from a seller on eBay. Someone else on the list bought some from a baking goods supply house. If you do a search on the Internet, you most likely will find someone who sells it (which is the option here in out-of-the-way Los Alamos). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?
Harry Watkins wrote: > Rob (welcome to the list) is trying to rob my thread (grin). My tick, tick > is under the hood, not under the dash. It starts when the key is turned on > and I guess it ticks all the time. What is the function of the unit just > rear of the IP on a 603? > > Looking for help. Sounds like the cruise control actuator going CRAZY. I expect that is possible if the feedback loop becomes intermittent or opens. Try unplugging it. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
Manufacturers spend millions of dollars to publish owners manuals. The general public (those that can read) are not to blame. On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. > > This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I > don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something > close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up > at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very > reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they > are reliable, with a very severe caveat. > > You would think that it would be better known that these cars will > just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. > > Brian > > On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Redghost wrote: > > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can > > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to > > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 > > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the > > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone > > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k > > > > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine. > > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee, > > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it > > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort > > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9Lso > > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 miles > a > > day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother > when > > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so > > I'm guessing a defective belt. > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Guns
>I had this same discussion with someone last week. All gas stations and >quick trips should simply put >up a sign that says "ABSOLUTELY NO ROBBERY" >and I'm certain there would be no more >robbery or theft. The best place for that sign would be in the oil company's headquarters. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?
Rob (welcome to the list) is trying to rob my thread (grin). My tick, tick is under the hood, not under the dash. It starts when the key is turned on and I guess it ticks all the time. What is the function of the unit just rear of the IP on a 603? Looking for help. Harry On 8/18/07, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you're > describing one of the vacuum reservoirs, which have a > check valve to prevent the loss of vacuum. > > Maybe it's leaking? > > Dan > > > --- Aleph93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm new to this group. > > > > I hear a "tick tick tick" coming from one of the > > vacuum pods on the > > driver's side fender well, right after shutting the > > car down. > > I don't recall what that pod does, yet it doesn't > > seem like an issue. It > > might be a pod that isn't part of the earlier > > models, as it seems like > > more pods were added on the '85 and later. > > > > Rob (avoiding the gun and penis thread) > > '85 MB 300D > > '80 BMW R100RT > > Costa Mesa, CA > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Message: 5 > > >Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:54:43 -0500 > > >From: "Harry Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: [MBZ] tick, tick, tick, very fast under > > the hood? > > >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > > > >Message-ID: > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > >1986 300 SDL. Its coming from right behind the IP. > > I think its to do with > > >the cruise control but moving the lever doesn't > > change anything. Anyone had > > >this happen? Any clues? > > > > > >Harry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
Most say mileage, as the average driver will cover the mileage in about 5-6 years. Like any rubber bit, time effects them too. If I had a car with very lows miles and use, I'd change things based on time, as I do with my old porsche. If it's a valve bender engine, I'd kind of think around the 5-6 year mark or mileage, whatever comes frist. many ownder's manuals will give a both a time and mileage change date. Alwayus best to check the book. Ed 300E On 18/08/07, Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there Any time frame for replacement , or is it simply > mileage related > > mak > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt > > > > I'm thinking it depends on what sort of auto experience you have. If > > you're > > used to dealing with Japanese cars, you should be used to dealing with > > timing belts. I've been well versed with them for about 12 years. You > > generally replace timing belts in the 60-100K mile range depending on > the > > vehicle. If not, you can usually find good deals on cars with blown > > engines > > from people who didn't bother to replace them. I've done two in my > wife's > > Subaru and I'm nearing time for the 4th in my Subee. > > > > Levi > > > > On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. > >> > >> This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I > >> don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something > >> close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up > >> at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very > >> reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they > >> are reliable, with a very severe caveat. > >> > >> You would think that it would be better known that these cars will > >> just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Redghost wrote: > >> > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you > can > >> > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said > to > >> > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 > >> > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the > >> > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone > >> > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k > >> > > >> > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference > >> > engine. > >> > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no > guarantee, > >> > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it > >> > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 > >> > Escort > >> > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a > >> > 1.9Lso > >> > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 > miles > >> a > >> > day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother > >> when > >> > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again > >> > so > >> > I'm guessing a defective belt. > >> > > >> > Mitch. > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: > 8/17/2007 > > 5:43 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
Don, What does this question have to do with guns? Shouldn't this be on another list? On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freaks wholove guns
Except they don't know the meaning of recycle in OK... Unless you're talking about a trip to the little girl's room after a six pack. Gary Thompson On 8/17/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Attached is a pic of the last OkieQ. > > D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Suspicions confirmed?
<,Tom - you wrote:<>Â - I assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing hysterically, burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs away?>>Â So you are confirming the theory that handguns and teenee weewees is correct, then? RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] K-Car head gasket replacement
<. Which is? RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mac G3 parts
Yep, identical configurations. Gary On 8/17/07, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sometimes that happens - I didn't check the new ones. > Were they the same configuration? > > Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] citric acid
I just looked through the archives-seems as if the consensus is about 1 pound of citric acid per gallon of H2O. Where does one buy citric acid? I tried the local pharmacy today and they didn't carry it. IIRC, my mother used to use it when canning peaches. Anyway time to flush the Green Goddess and get the green stuff out of there and some Zerex -05 Thanks, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles (Green Goddess) 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?
If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you're describing one of the vacuum reservoirs, which have a check valve to prevent the loss of vacuum. Maybe it's leaking? Dan --- Aleph93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to this group. > > I hear a "tick tick tick" coming from one of the > vacuum pods on the > driver's side fender well, right after shutting the > car down. > I don't recall what that pod does, yet it doesn't > seem like an issue. It > might be a pod that isn't part of the earlier > models, as it seems like > more pods were added on the '85 and later. > > Rob (avoiding the gun and penis thread) > '85 MB 300D > '80 BMW R100RT > Costa Mesa, CA > > > > >-- > > > >Message: 5 > >Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:54:43 -0500 > >From: "Harry Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [MBZ] tick, tick, tick, very fast under > the hood? > >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > >Message-ID: > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >1986 300 SDL. Its coming from right behind the IP. > I think its to do with > >the cruise control but moving the lever doesn't > change anything. Anyone had > >this happen? Any clues? > > > >Harry > > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood?
Hi all, I'm new to this group. I hear a "tick tick tick" coming from one of the vacuum pods on the driver's side fender well, right after shutting the car down. I don't recall what that pod does, yet it doesn't seem like an issue. It might be a pod that isn't part of the earlier models, as it seems like more pods were added on the '85 and later. Rob (avoiding the gun and penis thread) '85 MB 300D '80 BMW R100RT Costa Mesa, CA > >-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:54:43 -0500 >From: "Harry Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [MBZ] tick, tick, tick, very fast under the hood? >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >1986 300 SDL. Its coming from right behind the IP. I think its to do with >the cruise control but moving the lever doesn't change anything. Anyone had >this happen? Any clues? > >Harry > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
yea, it does. I think they unhook the chain and let it hang down a bit enough to clear the gasket. Been a while since I have heard about this trick though, Im a little foggy. Craig McCluskey wrote: > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:11:19 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in. > > So it has nothing like a timing chain gallery that would interfere with > sliding the old one out? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:11:19 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in. So it has nothing like a timing chain gallery that would interfere with sliding the old one out? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Guns
I had this same discussion with someone last week. All gas stations and quick trips should simply put up a sign that says "ABSOLUTELY NO ROBBERY" and I'm certain there would be no more robbery or theft. Chris Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: > > This reminds me of the discussions I had about the recent college > shootings. One of the arguments I heard was that it was a gun free zone > & the student had no bisuness with the handguns on campus. Yah, right - > you are going to shoot a group of people & you will be concened about > something as trivial as a gun ordenance? Expecting a gun free zone (helpless victim zone) to deter somebody intent on murder is like expecting an order of protection to prevent murder. (oh, no, I can't kill my ex now, or I'll be guilty of contempt of court) My county persecuting attorney was once quoted in a newspaper as saying that if a stalking victim had only asked him for a PPO, she'd be alive today. There's another quote from this liar arguing that we need to stop letting convicts prove their innocence. "Think of the victim's families, for God's sake" (I'm thinking they will be less likely to vote for you if they find out you locked up the wrong guy. Better for him to spend another 20 years in jail than for the public find out you botched your job, right?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri "Anke" (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd "Sammy" (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd -- -1985 300SD, 226K miles, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, "little blue klatter box" - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
"Affzaal.Khan" wrote: > > Is there Any time frame for replacement , or is it simply mileage related If belt breakage can destroy the engine, I wouldn't want to bet $2000 on a piece of rubber that's more than five years old. That's just my opinion, seems like most factory recommendations are mileage based. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
they basically just unbolt it and slide the old one out, new one in. Craig McCluskey wrote: > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:18:00 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104. >> >> Craig McCluskey wrote: >>> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi. I went to dealer with antifreeze dripping from tailpipe. He calls me back next afternoon, the car is ready! They swapped head gasket with out removing the head! I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked >>> the > car. We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem. >>> >>> Ok, how in the world did they do that? > > Which is? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Guns
Tom Hargrave wrote: > > This reminds me of the discussions I had about the recent college > shootings. One of the arguments I heard was that it was a gun free zone > & the student had no bisuness with the handguns on campus. Yah, right - > you are going to shoot a group of people & you will be concened about > something as trivial as a gun ordenance? Expecting a gun free zone (helpless victim zone) to deter somebody intent on murder is like expecting an order of protection to prevent murder. (oh, no, I can't kill my ex now, or I'll be guilty of contempt of court) My county persecuting attorney was once quoted in a newspaper as saying that if a stalking victim had only asked him for a PPO, she'd be alive today. There's another quote from this liar arguing that we need to stop letting convicts prove their innocence. "Think of the victim's families, for God's sake" (I'm thinking they will be less likely to vote for you if they find out you locked up the wrong guy. Better for him to spend another 20 years in jail than for the public find out you botched your job, right?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:52:57 -0500 "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They use one of several head hasket sealers. The sealer goes into the > cooling system & seals the breech in the head gasket. Here is one of > several that actually work: > > http://www.rxauto.com/thermagasket-repair-kits.htm Yes, but the OP said, > >> They swapped head gasket with out removing the head! not that they used a head gasket sealer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:18:00 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104. > > Craig McCluskey wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi. I went to dealer with > >> antifreeze dripping from tailpipe. He calls me back next afternoon, > >> the car is ready! They swapped head gasket with out removing the > >> head! I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked > >the > car. We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem. > > > > Ok, how in the world did they do that? Which is? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
Is there Any time frame for replacement , or is it simply mileage related mak - Original Message - From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt > I'm thinking it depends on what sort of auto experience you have. If > you're > used to dealing with Japanese cars, you should be used to dealing with > timing belts. I've been well versed with them for about 12 years. You > generally replace timing belts in the 60-100K mile range depending on the > vehicle. If not, you can usually find good deals on cars with blown > engines > from people who didn't bother to replace them. I've done two in my wife's > Subaru and I'm nearing time for the 4th in my Subee. > > Levi > > On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. >> >> This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I >> don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something >> close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up >> at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very >> reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they >> are reliable, with a very severe caveat. >> >> You would think that it would be better known that these cars will >> just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. >> >> Brian >> >> On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Redghost wrote: >> > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can >> > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to >> > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 >> > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the >> > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone >> > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k >> > >> > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference >> > engine. >> > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee, >> > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it >> > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 >> > Escort >> > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a >> > 1.9Lso >> > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 miles >> a >> > day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother >> when >> > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again >> > so >> > I'm guessing a defective belt. >> > >> > Mitch. >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 > 5:43 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
I'm thinking it depends on what sort of auto experience you have. If you're used to dealing with Japanese cars, you should be used to dealing with timing belts. I've been well versed with them for about 12 years. You generally replace timing belts in the 60-100K mile range depending on the vehicle. If not, you can usually find good deals on cars with blown engines from people who didn't bother to replace them. I've done two in my wife's Subaru and I'm nearing time for the 4th in my Subee. Levi On 8/18/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. > > This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I > don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something > close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up > at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very > reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they > are reliable, with a very severe caveat. > > You would think that it would be better known that these cars will > just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. > > Brian > > On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Redghost wrote: > > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can > > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to > > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 > > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the > > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone > > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k > > > > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine. > > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee, > > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it > > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort > > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9Lso > > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 miles > a > > day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother > when > > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so > > I'm guessing a defective belt. > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
I just changed the belt on a "non bender" engine. :-) It broke before the recommend time change, and I suspect when it was last changed, they put a nic in the belt when putting it on or something. Tow home, ($60) and new best $28. Line everything up and a few skinned knuckles later, I was back in business. hee hee. Gotta love low compression American engines at times. Ed 300E On 18/08/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Redghost wrote: > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k > > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine. > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee, > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9L so > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 miles a > day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother when > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so > I'm guessing a defective belt. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Honda Timing Belt
I will recommend that we get that belt replaced soon. This is really interesting to me though, as I wasn't aware, and I don't think the general public is aware, that these cars are something close to a time bomb in that they are very likely to just go belly up at a certain point. All I knew was that these Hondas were very reliable and would last a long time. But according to this info., they are reliable, with a very severe caveat. You would think that it would be better known that these cars will just quit at around 100k or whatever the designated mileage is. Brian On 8/18/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Redghost wrote: > > JUST REPLACE IT. Not worth the $400 to open it up and see if you can > > squeeze a few thousand more miles out. I had an acura that said to > > change the belt at 90k. It was not joking. I made it to 91,231 > > before the belt let loose and I was in it for $2500 to rebuild the > > top end. Valves slapped all over the place. Should have just gone > > in and paid my $400 for the belt right at 90k > > I would never let one go more than five years in an interference engine. > Also would not exceed mfr's mileage recommendation. Still no guarantee, > but if you replace the CRV's belt now you will be safe (unless it > breaks on the way to the shop). A friend lost the belt on her '87 Escort > at around 35k in 1988. She was not pleased, but at least it was a 1.9L so > all it cost her was a tow bill and $200. This car went about 150 miles a > day on the freeway, with a 5 speed. She gave it to her little brother when > she bought an Escort GT in '89, AFAIK it did not break the belt again so > I'm guessing a defective belt. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics
As a former (20+ years) standby/prime power generator and control guy, I left this as basic as I could. One of the things that often made us crazy was when specs for windings were published since the questionable accuracy of most end user's test equipment made it impossible for them to measure such a low value. As a result, you tell them the windings should have 0.2 ohms resistance and they hook up their Radio Shack VOM to it, there is no way they will ever see that value. After all, who carries a Wheatstone bridge around with them? Then it's the "It must be bad!" assumption, which is almost always wrong. They buy a new part, put it in, and it still doesn't work. Now you're the bad guy. Few people understand that meter accuracy is a percentage of the range, so when you're way down at the bottom of the range you're probably so far out of the percentage of accuracy it's not funny. For the most part, simple continuity tests on these sorts of windings will tell you whether or not they're good or bad. Want some real fun? Get out the megger! Whoopee! Dan --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The stator has three wires. You should be able to > measure a very, very > small resistance between the three if your VM is > sensitive enough and > none should have any electrical connection to the > stator body. > > Stator failures consist of an open winding, a > shorted winding, (more > common) a short to ground (the stator body) or an > open lead. Of the > four, only the third & fourth can be detected with a > ohm-meter because > the winding resistance is too low. > > The rotor has two wires, same as above. > > Rotor failures consist of an open winding and a > short to ground (the > stator body) and both can be detected with a > ohm-meter. > > All measurements are taken with the wires > disconnected > > Tom > www.kegkits.com Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics
The stator has three wires. You should be able to measure a very, very small resistance between the three if your VM is sensitive enough and none should have any electrical connection to the stator body. Stator failures consist of an open winding, a shorted winding, (more common) a short to ground (the stator body) or an open lead. Of the four, only the third & fourth can be detected with a ohm-meter because the winding resistance is too low. The rotor has two wires, same as above. Rotor failures consist of an open winding and a short to ground (the stator body) and both can be detected with a ohm-meter. All measurements are taken with the wires disconnected Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 11:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I'm doing this from the seat of my pants since I'm not familiar with that system, but more likely than not the three yellow wires should have continuity to each other, but nothing to ground. You're probably correct on the black/green arrangement. If they are in fact the field winding, they should have continuity between each other but nothing to ground or the stator leads, either. Of course you must test all of these with all the wires disconnected, or you risk getting incorrect results. Dan --- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are 5 wires out of the stator, the diagnostic > says to test the 3 yellow ones into the regulator as > diodes I presume those are the 3 AC outputs. > The black wire I presume is ground and the other one > (can't remember the color, green maybe) I'd guess is > the field. > Any idea what I should see across each? > > -Curt > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > If the regulator tested out OK, don't replace it. > Sounds like you may just need some new brushes and > that's it. If there are springs involved with the > brushes and you can replace them, do that, too. > > You can test the stator for continuity and grounds, > too - might want to do that while you're at it. You > may have a bad stator winding. > > Dan > > > - > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > sell. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
In Jackson, MS, a 78 year old man fought and killed an intruder in his house. A TV reporter asked him how it felt to fight someone 1/3 of his age. He said "he wasn't any younger than them bullits". After all, its them fast little things that come out the front of the gun that hurts the most. Harry On 8/18/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Statistics show police hit innocent people 11% of the time they fire their > handgun. Law-Abiding citizens "authourized to possess a gun" (how I hate > that phrase!) hits an innocent person less than 2% of the time. Not a > good > record for the cops. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now > handguns > & the law > > > > cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this story if > > pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options > > available. > > why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? > > > > cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the end of > > the > > day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter > > because > > they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. > > > > On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Kevin wrote: > >> > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind > >> your > >> > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. > >> > >> Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they > >> were required to learn for their jobs. > >> > >> Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: > >> http://newsok.com/article/3098884 > >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: > 8/17/2007 > > 5:43 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns & the law
Woodchucks, procupines and such like to get up under the camp and dig into the stringers. We usually defer to the .410 or 20ga for them. Roust 'em from the camp and its all over quick. I can get 'em with a .22 but you're right it doesn't take much of a miss for them to linger. I'm always paranoid if I don't do the job clean they'll crawl under the camp to die and the stink will kill us... -Curt Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:49:39 -0400 From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns & the law To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brain shots only. Just about any reasonably powerful air rifle can do in a woodchuck, coons are a bit tougher. I only shot one woodchuck with an air rifle. Dog had him cornered. First shot, broadside into the center of the head (cheekbone) was largely ineffective, but he quit chattering at the dog, and turned the other cheek so to speak. 2nd shot, same point of aim on the other side of his head, same result. Then I got to thinking about where his tiny brain might be, aimed just behind the eye, and he dropped like I'd flicked his power switch to 'off'. Mammals' brains are located high and to the rear of their heads, best bet is to hit them somewhere between the eye and ear. Any air rifle that shoots over 750fps in .177 or 600fps in .22 is plenty for rodents, at any range you can reliably hit a ping pong ball. (that's roughly the size of a rabbit or woodchuck's brain) As long as you have enough power to penetrate the skull, accuracy matters a lot more than power, either you hit the brain or you wound an animal. I have not been happy with my results taking chest shots with a .22LR firearm on woodchucks over the years, now I either shoot them in the head or use a .223. With the .223, any torso hit is instantly lethal. Mitch. - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics
I'm doing this from the seat of my pants since I'm not familiar with that system, but more likely than not the three yellow wires should have continuity to each other, but nothing to ground. You're probably correct on the black/green arrangement. If they are in fact the field winding, they should have continuity between each other but nothing to ground or the stator leads, either. Of course you must test all of these with all the wires disconnected, or you risk getting incorrect results. Dan --- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are 5 wires out of the stator, the diagnostic > says to test the 3 yellow ones into the regulator as > diodes I presume those are the 3 AC outputs. > The black wire I presume is ground and the other one > (can't remember the color, green maybe) I'd guess is > the field. > Any idea what I should see across each? > > -Curt > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > If the regulator tested out OK, don't replace it. > Sounds like you may just need some new brushes and > that's it. If there are springs involved with the > brushes and you can replace them, do that, too. > > You can test the stator for continuity and grounds, > too - might want to do that while you're at it. You > may have a bad stator winding. > > Dan > > > - > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > sell. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Guns
This reminds me of the discussions I had about the recent college shootings. One of the arguments I heard was that it was a gun free zone & the student had no bisuness with the handguns on campus. Yah, right - you are going to shoot a group of people & you will be concened about something as trivial as a gun ordenance? Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 11:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Guns -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This funny video goes well with what we've been talking about - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeo05uPMmn4 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Guns
This funny video goes well with what we've been talking about - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeo05uPMmn4 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Statistics show police hit innocent people 11% of the time they fire their handgun. Law-Abiding citizens "authourized to possess a gun" (how I hate that phrase!) hits an innocent person less than 2% of the time. Not a good record for the cops. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this story if > pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options > available. > why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? > > cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the end of > the > day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter > because > they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. > > On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Kevin wrote: >> > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind >> your >> > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. >> >> Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they >> were required to learn for their jobs. >> >> Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: >> http://newsok.com/article/3098884 >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 > 5:43 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Kaleb wrote:<> Everytime Congress gets close to passing some crazy anti-gun law I buy another gun.. Last was a Bushmaster. Excellent rifle. But I gotta stop doing that - running out of space - ;-) Need to find a better place to shoot - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law >I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it. There is a big > gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke. I need to go over > and buy some more guns and ammo. > > Gary Hurst wrote: >> for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as >> you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. >> >> ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his >> and >> whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth >> that >> much money. >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 > 5:43 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law >I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it. There is a big > gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke. I need to go over > and buy some more guns and ammo. > > Gary Hurst wrote: >> for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as >> you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. >> >> ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his >> and >> whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth >> that >> much money. >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 > 5:43 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns & the law
It's the shock factor. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 10:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns & the law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= LarryT wrote: > > I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials for > the air rifle made by Gamo? They show it dropping raccons, possums , > squirrels and other similar sized varmits. Just a quiet phhhttt !(like > a silenced .22) and the animal dropped like a rock. Brain shots only. Just about any reasonably powerful air rifle can do in a woodchuck, coons are a bit tougher. I only shot one woodchuck with an air rifle. Dog had him cornered. First shot, broadside into the center of the head (cheekbone) was largely ineffective, but he quit chattering at the dog, and turned the other cheek so to speak. 2nd shot, same point of aim on the other side of his head, same result. Then I got to thinking about where his tiny brain might be, aimed just behind the eye, and he dropped like I'd flicked his power switch to 'off'. Mammals' brains are located high and to the rear of their heads, best bet is to hit them somewhere between the eye and ear. Any air rifle that shoots over 750fps in .177 or 600fps in .22 is plenty for rodents, at any range you can reliably hit a ping pong ball. (that's roughly the size of a rabbit or woodchuck's brain) As long as you have enough power to penetrate the skull, accuracy matters a lot more than power, either you hit the brain or you wound an animal. I have not been happy with my results taking chest shots with a .22LR firearm on woodchucks over the years, now I either shoot them in the head or use a .223. With the .223, any torso hit is instantly lethal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
A little piece of trivia - these were actually manufactured by AMC for The Chrysler Corporation. Except for the Van & Truck lines, Chrysler no longer had the ability to manufacture rear wheel drive cars because K cars and their varients were being produced in their car facilities. AMC was "on the ropes" & had the capacity & the car New Yorker was produced under contract until AMC was purchased by Chrysler. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= here is what im talking about, although this one is not turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-New-Yorker-STD-1987-Chrysler-New -Yorker-4DR-Sedan-70K-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ250154467369QQcmdZViewItem?has h=item250154467369 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I just loved those cars (especially the new yorker) that had the > electronic dash, and the electronic voice thing. In fact, I had one of > those maybe 7 years ago or so. Bought it with a bad turbo and ordered a > new one from rusty. Think I might find another one just for the hell of > it sometime. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
Recoil is related to how heavy the gun is. I've shot a 10ga once or twice with no ill effects. That was on the trap range though and trap loads are ususally low power and lower recoil. Trap guns also tend to be heavy and thus have less recoil. I tried firing both barrels on a 12ga side by side once, damn near put me on my butt. -Curt Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:33:42 -0400 From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 knutson has an old spanish double barrel 10 gauge. he figured it would be interesting to find out what it would be like to fire both shells at the same time. he describes the bruising as considerable. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it. There is a big gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke. I need to go over and buy some more guns and ammo. Gary Hurst wrote: > for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as > you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. > > ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his and > whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth that > much money. > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
They use one of several head hasket sealers. The sealer goes into the cooling system & seals the breech in the head gasket. Here is one of several that actually work: http://www.rxauto.com/thermagasket-repair-kits.htm The key is that the leak has to be static, not growing. And if it is then there is a very good chance that the product will work. If the leak is growing then the patch will just blow back out. And very important to some list members - and no handgun is needed to install or use the product. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104. Craig McCluskey wrote: > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi. I went to dealer with >> antifreeze dripping from tailpipe. He calls me back next afternoon, >> the car is ready! They swapped head gasket with out removing the >> head! I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked the >> car. We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem. > > Ok, how in the world did they do that? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodent hunting, was handguns & the law
LarryT wrote: > > I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials for > the air rifle made by Gamo? They show it dropping raccons, possums , > squirrels and other similar sized varmits. Just a quiet phhhttt !(like > a silenced .22) and the animal dropped like a rock. Brain shots only. Just about any reasonably powerful air rifle can do in a woodchuck, coons are a bit tougher. I only shot one woodchuck with an air rifle. Dog had him cornered. First shot, broadside into the center of the head (cheekbone) was largely ineffective, but he quit chattering at the dog, and turned the other cheek so to speak. 2nd shot, same point of aim on the other side of his head, same result. Then I got to thinking about where his tiny brain might be, aimed just behind the eye, and he dropped like I'd flicked his power switch to 'off'. Mammals' brains are located high and to the rear of their heads, best bet is to hit them somewhere between the eye and ear. Any air rifle that shoots over 750fps in .177 or 600fps in .22 is plenty for rodents, at any range you can reliably hit a ping pong ball. (that's roughly the size of a rabbit or woodchuck's brain) As long as you have enough power to penetrate the skull, accuracy matters a lot more than power, either you hit the brain or you wound an animal. I have not been happy with my results taking chest shots with a .22LR firearm on woodchucks over the years, now I either shoot them in the head or use a .223. With the .223, any torso hit is instantly lethal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his and whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth that much money. On 8/18/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think he wants $800 for it, including several hundred rounds of ammo > > Gary Hurst wrote: > > what is it and how much does he want? > > > > On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them > >> desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 > he > >> wants to sell. Thought about buying that. > >> > >> --- > >> Kaleb C. Striplin > >> Cox Auto Trader > >> 730 PP Supervisor > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now > >> handguns > >> & the law > >> > >> > >>> That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. > A > >>> 45 > >>> ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business > >> shooting > >>> a > >>> magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. > >>> > >>> I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to > shoot > >>> for > >>> fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Tom Hargrave > >>> www.kegkits.com > >>> 256-656-1924 > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law
CB caps aren't much different than a pellet gun noise wise. Remember the big noise with a gun is the bullet exceeding the sound barrier. I've shot alot of squirrels with CB caps at my parents house, just a quiet pop is all you hear. Works real good within about 50 feet. -Curt Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:47:13 -0400 From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials for the air rifle made by Gamo? They show it dropping raccons, possums , squirrels and other similar sized varmits. Just a quiet phhhttt !(like a silenced .22) and the animal dropped like a rock. Pellet guns have changed since I was a kid - ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this story if pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options available. why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the end of the day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter because they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Kevin wrote: > > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind > your > > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. > > Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they > were required to learn for their jobs. > > Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: > http://newsok.com/article/3098884 > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics
There are 5 wires out of the stator, the diagnostic says to test the 3 yellow ones into the regulator as diodes I presume those are the 3 AC outputs. The black wire I presume is ground and the other one (can't remember the color, green maybe) I'd guess is the field. Any idea what I should see across each? -Curt Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle electrics To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If the regulator tested out OK, don't replace it. Sounds like you may just need some new brushes and that's it. If there are springs involved with the brushes and you can replace them, do that, too. You can test the stator for continuity and grounds, too - might want to do that while you're at it. You may have a bad stator winding. Dan - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
I think he wants $800 for it, including several hundred rounds of ammo Gary Hurst wrote: > what is it and how much does he want? > > On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them >> desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 he >> wants to sell. Thought about buying that. >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730 PP Supervisor >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now >> handguns >> & the law >> >> >>> That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A >>> 45 >>> ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business >> shooting >>> a >>> magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. >>> >>> I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot >>> for >>> fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tom Hargrave >>> www.kegkits.com >>> 256-656-1924 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Think I might find another one just for the hell of > it sometime. Me too. But it has to be this one: http://jalopnik.com/cars/retro/happy-presidents-day-k+car-limo-edition-237903.php Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
what is it and how much does he want? On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them > desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 he > wants to sell. Thought about buying that. > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now > handguns > & the law > > > > That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A > > 45 > > ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business > shooting > > a > > magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. > > > > I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot > > for > > fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
here is what im talking about, although this one is not turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-New-Yorker-STD-1987-Chrysler-New-Yorker-4DR-Sedan-70K-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ250154467369QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250154467369 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I just loved those cars (especially the new yorker) that had the > electronic dash, and the electronic voice thing. In fact, I had one of > those maybe 7 years ago or so. Bought it with a bad turbo and ordered a > new one from rusty. Think I might find another one just for the hell of > it sometime. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1
Mobil makes a "Turbo and Truck Diesel Oil" in 5W40. I started using this in my 240D and 300D and am pleased with it. It's designed for diesel and will hold soot in suspension better than the 15W50. It is found at Walmart and AutoZone or AdvanceAuto Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Was: RAMBO ... Now: Mobil 1 > What weight of Mobil 1 should I use in my 240D? > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 > 1:46 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Handguns and the law
knutson has an old spanish double barrel 10 gauge. he figured it would be interesting to find out what it would be like to fire both shells at the same time. he describes the bruising as considerable. On 8/17/07, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Back in the 1950s my father-in-law let me shoot a ten gauge that had been > his fathers. I shot the top out of a small tree with it. My shoulder was > sore for a week after that. If I remember correctly he said they had used > it to hunt deer when he was a kid. > Gerry > --- > - Original Message - > From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I've read that back in the day intrepid frontersmen would shoot just in > > front of the nose of a squirrel with their .50 cal(or other large bore) > > muzzle loader. The squirrel would be killed by the shockwave as the > bullet > > came by but no meat would be damaged. > > Dad and I tried it on several occasions but were never able to make it > > work. Of course we were limited in our shooting opportunities by > limiting > > our selves to shots where we had an appropriate backstop. I'm sure the > > frontiersmen would shoot at squirrels up in a tree, devil may care where > > the bullet would land. > > No doubt similar effect is at work in the ER story. > > -Curt > > > From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Years ago a man came into the ER who was missing the bottom half of his > > scrotum but his testicles were in good shape, hanging by the vein, > > artery, > > and spermatic cord. > > His girlfriends husband had caught them in bed, he raised up on his > > knees > > when the door flew open, and her husband shot between his legs with a > > .45 > > cal pistol. > > A cop said the slug didn't hit his scrotum but that it had come close > > and > > that was enough to blow part of it off. > > It seemed unlikely at the time but since then I've seen what kind of > > damage > > a .45 slug can do. > > The doctor managed to sew what was left of the scrotum back around the > > testicles and in 24 hours the suture lines were healed. > > Gerry > > > > > > - > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > > 1:46 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
You wrote:<>\\ Perhaps the greatest source of incorrect information about guns is TV and movies - 99% of what they show about guns is wrong to some degree. before she took the CCW course, my wife used to wonder, "why dont they shoot the bad guy in the leg?" once whe tried to hit the 3'x3' paper target from 25' with a handgun, she understood. It's never as easy as it looks on TV. Just *hitting* the bad guy takes some talent. Shooting for an arm or leg is laughable. Now she knows. But millions are just as ill informed. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and > dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on > the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely > tucked > away, but I used that one more than the rifle. I am considering buying > one > now, not for self protection, but sport. I have a few sets of throwing > knives that I enjoy, but am getting to the point that I don't have enough > cool weather for months here to throw them - easy to get out of practice. > I > am thinking about getting a pistol just to see if I could get any > proficiency with it. My son bought a handgun when he was away from home > for > several tours with the USAF and didn't live in an area where he felt his > wife was safe alone. He made sure she was trained on it [she was also > military]. We went to a range and I discovered those things are not so > easy > to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest. Might be fun to try. With > FL law I could probably carry it, but I wouldn't. It would be locked in a > lockbox until I got to the range. > BillR > Jacksonville FL > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:51 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now > handguns & the law > > At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I > spent > almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found > myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been > carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a > street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me > (I > was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. > > The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors > Island > (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a > half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south > of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked > under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting > "rather exposed" (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience > was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say "f-off" > and > the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a > victim. > > I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all > military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: > trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ > "expert" E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- > and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. > > Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I > guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a > testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing > to > get into a firefight over my lunch break. > > Let us stand for our closing prayer. > > > > On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Tom, >> There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) >> There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. >> >> > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okie
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Yep, and if that doesn't work, then "Bang", and if he's still moving then "Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Click, Click, Click,". Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 10:25 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - you wrote:<> - I assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing hysterically, burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs away? ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" ; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Gary, > > What you are eluding to in the knife verses handgun is reaction time. > It's the same with knives, handguns, Tia Kwon Do and baseball bats. Your > only chance is to get the drop on the bad guy. This is why I've been > noted to creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun. If the shock > don't give me the edge at least my Wife does not have to throw away a > shirt because it has a bullet hole in it. > > Also, I 100% agree with you in regards to civic duty. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 08/16/07 10:54 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List >[SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
I just loved those cars (especially the new yorker) that had the electronic dash, and the electronic voice thing. In fact, I had one of those maybe 7 years ago or so. Bought it with a bad turbo and ordered a new one from rusty. Think I might find another one just for the hell of it sometime. Gary Hurst wrote: > and just dead easy to work on. i could change the oil and filter in a few > minutes without jacking up the car. i changed a radiator out in under an > hour. the only job that i ever found at all difficult was the water pump. > parts were also cheap and plentiful. somehow the MAP sensor would fail > every year or two, but they were 50 bucks and a couple of minutes to > install, so i just carried one in the glove box. > > you remember how the dash board would blink out fault codes? > > On 8/18/07, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gary Hurst wrote: >>> the 600 looks like a mini 126 sec. i drove one of those around forever. >>> crappy car, but simple and sound. >> My first car was an '88 Dodge 600SE 2.2L turbo. As a car it was indeed >> pretty crappy, but as transportation, it was comfortable, reasonably >> sprightly, and drop dead reliable. A surprisingly unrusted midwestern >> car, it met it's end on October 11, 1996 at the hands of an errant Chevy >> Blazer in rural Mississippi. >> >> Having grown up with K-Cars and their minivan variants, I think they're >> great pieces of Reagan-era Americana, underappreciated and now sadly >> forgotten. >> >> Tom >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts
Redghost wrote: > Need to have the VIN, just to prove it once was a real 600. I dunno. If you're going to go knockoff, do it right. And North Korea is an expert on Doing Things The Right Way: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/c/c6/Pjöngjang410.JPG The Pyongyang 4.10. I think I'd even prefer one of these to a Chaika GAZ M13 (Soviet '55 Packard Patrician). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
and just dead easy to work on. i could change the oil and filter in a few minutes without jacking up the car. i changed a radiator out in under an hour. the only job that i ever found at all difficult was the water pump. parts were also cheap and plentiful. somehow the MAP sensor would fail every year or two, but they were 50 bucks and a couple of minutes to install, so i just carried one in the glove box. you remember how the dash board would blink out fault codes? On 8/18/07, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gary Hurst wrote: > > the 600 looks like a mini 126 sec. i drove one of those around forever. > > crappy car, but simple and sound. > > My first car was an '88 Dodge 600SE 2.2L turbo. As a car it was indeed > pretty crappy, but as transportation, it was comfortable, reasonably > sprightly, and drop dead reliable. A surprisingly unrusted midwestern > car, it met it's end on October 11, 1996 at the hands of an errant Chevy > Blazer in rural Mississippi. > > Having grown up with K-Cars and their minivan variants, I think they're > great pieces of Reagan-era Americana, underappreciated and now sadly > forgotten. > > Tom > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Tom - you wrote:<> - I assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing hysterically, burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs away? ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" ; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Gary, > > What you are eluding to in the knife verses handgun is reaction time. > It's the same with knives, handguns, Tia Kwon Do and baseball bats. Your > only chance is to get the drop on the bad guy. This is why I've been > noted to creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun. If the shock > don't give me the edge at least my Wife does not have to throw away a > shirt because it has a bullet hole in it. > > Also, I 100% agree with you in regards to civic duty. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 08/16/07 10:54 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List >[SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Excellent post!! ;-) As one CCW holder to another! I wish the anti-gunners would see the logic in your post - but they do not operate on logic - which is obvious when their argument consists of talking about Penis' for the most part. I guess when you cannot debate a subject with logic you resort to name calling. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > an interesting thing about the knife in a gunfight is a study that was > done > regarding the ability of police to respond to a knife wielding perp > charging > them from 21 feet (the distance that is the outside of acceptable shooting > range against a perp not armed with a firearm). who has the advantage? > obviously, it's a trick question. turns out to be a 50/50 proposition. > half the cops could draw and shoot before being stabbed by the charging > knife attacker and half could not. seems the old bowie knife in the right > hands is more dangerous than most of you could imagine. > > CCW holders are not gun yahoos looking for fast draw at high noon. to my > mind, being armed is a matter of accepting responsibility for the safety > of > yourself and others. there will be no columbine or va tech around me. > you > will not rob the store i am shopping in. etc. > here in georgia, we don't have any of this va tech or dc sniper nonsense. > if some nutter takes out a firearm and starts firing at passing cars, > someone just shoots him. go into a diner in rural georgia waving a pistol > and making threats and demands -- your life expectancy would be about 8 > seconds at that moment. > > it is my personal belief that any man who does not carry a gun is > absolutely > shirking his civic responsibilities. the welfare/nanny state and its > supporters obviously have a far different view. > > On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Tom wrote:<> > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid>> >> >> Hi Tom, >> There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) >> There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. >> >> On a more serious note - even though we talk lightly about this stuff, >> non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the >> responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and >> possible hurt or kill someone. It's not something we take lightly. We >> don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back >> down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger. None >> of >> us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a >> parking space. >> >> Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> . >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM >> Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns >> & >> the law >> >> >> > Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of >> > manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if >> > you >> > kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, >> > etc.) >> > or >> > if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you >> will >> > be >> > prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. >> > >> > Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the >> > right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an >> > invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's >> > considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was >> > only >> > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but >> still >> > dead. The police report usually states "no charges filed" & everything >> is >> > dropped. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Tom Hargrave >> > www.kegkits.com >> > 256-656-1924 >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > On Behalf Of Redghost >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM >> > To: Mercedes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! >> > >> > One should also make sure the perp falls into the house. Even if you >> > have to help him in once he is limp. Makes for a better defense. >> > >> > clay >> > >> > On 13 Aug 2007, at 15:15, D
Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freaks wholove guns
Kaleb is simply perpetuating the John Wayne image. Nothing wrong with that. It is simply American Patriot stuff. We won our country from the Brits and we shall arm ourselves so they can't ever take it back. By the way, we don't drink tea anymore so up-yours with your tea tax. You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand. Take my wife, please. Attached is a pic of the last OkieQ. D. On 8/17/07, Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But are we allowed to discuss the p thingy and the various sizes thereof? > Another related question, do they make genuine gun racks for Mercs. I > reckon that would be way cool a T with a gun rack. > I have noticed that the gloveboxes on Mercs seem to be too small to hold > a real handgun, what is the solution there? > However the sunroofs are a nice size and just the go for that drive by > shooting or hunting in the national park. > > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > I have no intention of setting up another list. Everytime there is a > > long off topic thread come up, somebody gripes about it. It has been > > mentioned many times that off topic is just fine. It would get rather > > boring talking only about Mercedes all the time. Hit delete if you do > > not want to follow the thread. > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: King_of_the_Hill_alley.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61378 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070817/d89202a8/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
Probably the same way they do it on the 103/104. Craig McCluskey wrote: > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi. I went to dealer with >> antifreeze dripping from tailpipe. He calls me back next afternoon, >> the car is ready! They swapped head gasket with out removing the >> head! I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked the >> car. We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem. > > Ok, how in the world did they do that? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law WOT - This ost is about guns - delete it if you don't want to read it.
Hi Tom, You said<> I blame it on the education system which is overwhelmingly liberal democrats who have created a huge anti-gun/anti-self protection agenda that wants everyone to depend on the govt for everything - even personal safety. Instead of teaching math and how to make aliving someday the students are told to become activists and assigned to write congress and ask that all guns be taken away. The gun debate has been taken into the 1st grade and 6 year olds are being told a gun is a monster - not the criminal behind it. Funny, my daughter in law felt that guns should be not allowed in her home - and made my son bring his Glock to store at my house (I know, -sigh- he wimped out). But when her next door neighbor was raped and robbed & her children threatened and traumatized by what happened to their mother one evening she changed her mind. The next day my son was back for his Glock. But I hate to think that people need to be hurt to understand you cannot depend on others for your personal safety. Your experiment proves how incredibly absurd some people feel about guns. Remember when we used to play with cap guns? They're almost impossible to find. So many parents are afraid for their kids to even *see* a gun or hear the word! They have been made to fear an inanimate object rather than the criminal holding the weapon which somehow deserves understanding. Schools no longer teach the history of American Revolution when *guns* were used to rectify a terrible situation. It was more than taxation w/o representation - it was horrendous oppression. The media also never mention that guns are used between 300k and 2mm times a year to stop or prevent crimes - often the mere sight of a firearm makes criminals go elsewhere. I wonder how many non-gun owners would consider putting a large sign on their lawn saying, "No Guns in this Home - we dial 911!" rather that taking advantage of the gun owners by using the possibility their home is armed. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Larry, > > I understand "non gun people". I have several friends who ask me to never > bring handguns out around them or their children because handguns terrify > them. > > I even did an experiment once - I placed an unloaded 45 ACP on my coffee > table in anticipation of a friend stopping over. He was absolutely > terrified > when he saw the handgun. I even showed that it was unloaded & offered to > hand him the handgun butt first and he backed up in terror. > > My friend proved to me that at least some of the population is afraid of > handguns themselves. Odd thing is that I've not yet heard of a handgun [SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
Gary Hurst wrote: > the 600 looks like a mini 126 sec. i drove one of those around forever. > crappy car, but simple and sound. My first car was an '88 Dodge 600SE 2.2L turbo. As a car it was indeed pretty crappy, but as transportation, it was comfortable, reasonably sprightly, and drop dead reliable. A surprisingly unrusted midwestern car, it met it's end on October 11, 1996 at the hands of an errant Chevy Blazer in rural Mississippi. Having grown up with K-Cars and their minivan variants, I think they're great pieces of Reagan-era Americana, underappreciated and now sadly forgotten. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freakswholove guns
I think the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" post pretty much confirms your theory. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 09:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freakswholove guns -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Seeing all the post from non-gunners it seems they are fixated on the P word for some reason - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freaks wholove guns >I disagree, Kevin. We've had complaints about extended oil threads, > political threads, etc. ... And last time I checked, "penis" was a valid > dictionary word. > > But perhaps I am going off half-cocked. > > As for "the bigger your gun the smaller your penis" thing -- sort of > parallels the guys who buy an Hummer. > > But then again, I own a 240D. > > On 8/17/07, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> It's one thing to say "this is OT, can we take it elsewhere". It's >> entirely another to take an intolerant cheap shot. All that does is >> spawn animosity, and keep a bitter debate going. >> >> Not to mention, the mere mention of a certain five letter word you used >> (regardless of the size, shape, texture, effectiveness, or whatnot) >> would have got you poofed by Mr. Hankie on the other list. >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:28:07AM +0930, Hendrik wrote: >> > I don't suppose you could set up a separate list so us non gun freaks >> > don't have to listen to you lot discuss which handgun kills better. >> > Perhaps you could call it the >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 > 1:46 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law
I considered buying one of these to shoot neighborhood squrrels (they taste good) but I figured that it would not go well with the neighbors. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 09:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials for the air rifle made by Gamo? They show it dropping raccons, possums , squirrels and other similar sized varmits. Just a quiet phhhttt !(like a silenced .22) and the animal dropped like a rock. Pellet guns have changed since I was a kid - ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law >> There is a solution - "Bang". >> >> Tom >> www.kegkits.com > > I live inside of city limits so I use CB caps (.22 short?) and they WILL > drop a woodchuck. They are sub-sonic I believe and make little noise. I > don't need the constable snooping around because of the sound of gun fire. > > Rick Knoble > '85 300 CD > '87 190 DT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 > 1:46 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:54:56 -0400 Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (but you will probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory > jack, and put the stand under the rubber jack point) Rubber jack point? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law
I know you might not want to kill it, but have you see the commercials for the air rifle made by Gamo? They show it dropping raccons, possums , squirrels and other similar sized varmits. Just a quiet phhhttt !(like a silenced .22) and the animal dropped like a rock. Pellet guns have changed since I was a kid - ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] handguns & the law >> There is a solution - "Bang". >> >> Tom >> www.kegkits.com > > I live inside of city limits so I use CB caps (.22 short?) and they WILL > drop a woodchuck. They are sub-sonic I believe and make little noise. I > don't need the constable snooping around because of the sound of gun fire. > > Rick Knoble > '85 300 CD > '87 190 DT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 > 1:46 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge 600
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:43:25 -0400 Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blew head gasket in January at about 80Kmi. I went to dealer with > antifreeze dripping from tailpipe. He calls me back next afternoon, > the car is ready! They swapped head gasket with out removing the > head! I groaned, he told me that he'd guarantee it until I junked the > car. We drove it to about 200Kmi, no problem. Ok, how in the world did they do that? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freaks wholove guns
Seeing all the post from non-gunners it seems they are fixated on the P word for some reason - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] [way off topic]now handguns & the law & the freaks wholove guns >I disagree, Kevin. We've had complaints about extended oil threads, > political threads, etc. ... And last time I checked, "penis" was a valid > dictionary word. > > But perhaps I am going off half-cocked. > > As for "the bigger your gun the smaller your penis" thing -- sort of > parallels the guys who buy an Hummer. > > But then again, I own a 240D. > > On 8/17/07, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> It's one thing to say "this is OT, can we take it elsewhere". It's >> entirely another to take an intolerant cheap shot. All that does is >> spawn animosity, and keep a bitter debate going. >> >> Not to mention, the mere mention of a certain five letter word you used >> (regardless of the size, shape, texture, effectiveness, or whatnot) >> would have got you poofed by Mr. Hankie on the other list. >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:28:07AM +0930, Hendrik wrote: >> > I don't suppose you could set up a separate list so us non gun freaks >> > don't have to listen to you lot discuss which handgun kills better. >> > Perhaps you could call it the >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 > 1:46 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
