Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?

[Timothy Robinson]

One click counter clockwise from OFF position is right parking, two clicks
CCW is left.

DUH! I was looking for the fuse until I realised those directional parking
lamps only work when the ignition is OFF.

> From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:11:08 -0500
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?
> 
> To be honest, I'm still trying to figure out how to turn those one.  Is it
> one turn on the light switch to the left, and then use the turn signal stock
> to indicate the side you want to activate ?
> 
> Ed
> 300E


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap Hosting

[dave walton]

Web service costs maybe $10/month. Email is a bit more - but not much
more. Google Apps will get to where we want them eventually, but for
an office used to the integration of Microsoft products, it's not
there yet.

-Dave Walton

On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 1:06 AM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 2008 11:57 AM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Can anyone recommend a cheap web and email hosting provider that does
>  > not totally suck? Something in the < $30/month range that a company
>  > who wants a web presence but does not actually do anything online
>  > could use? 99.9% uptime would be fine - that's 8-9 hours of downtime
>  > per year.
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  >
>  > -Dave Walton
>
>
>  Tell you what, since no one like my idea of free hosting from Google, you
>  tell me exactly what you are needing and at what costs to your company and
>  I'll start a consulting firm just for you and bring up a web server for your
>  company. Though, if I go through all that trouble I might as well take on
>  other customers too  but you wouldn't mind that, right?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 89 300TE with dead tacho and wonky ABS light?

[mak53]

may be worn out carbon bushes in the alternator causing  a voltage drop under 
load
mak
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hendrik & Fay 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 89 300TE with dead tacho and wonky ABS light?


  I did some preliminary checks of the OVP and it is feeding power to the 
  ECU but it appears that the alternator is not putting out enough volts, 
  drops below 12 when fully loaded.

  Hendrik

  Peter Frederick wrote:
  > Replace the over-voltage protection relay (OVP).  It's toast, your  
  > electronics won't work right.
  >
  > Peter
  >
  >
  >
  >   

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Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?

[E M]

To be honest, I'm still trying to figure out how to turn those one.  Is it
one turn on the light switch to the left, and then use the turn signal stock
to indicate the side you want to activate ?

Ed
300E

On 16/02/2008, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Did ya check your parking lights, the little ones. I got a warning light
> in my 300TE and the only light that is not working is the drivers side
> parking.
>
> Hendrik
>
>
> E M wrote:
> > The light comes on with I put the headlights on, but I don't see
> anything
> > out, high beams, turn signals etc.  I'll have to try the back up lights
> next
> > time I'm near a large glass window at night, my usual way to test them.
> :-)
> >
>
> > Ed
> > 300E
>
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] [OT] Anti-Ruger

[Hendrik & Fay]

If you are gonna talk guuuns, could you at least mark the subject [OT] 
or preferably [GUN].
Better yet go to a gun forum for gun lovers with guns.
Thank you

Hendrik

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Good god why? I've never handled a Marlin autoloader that didn't feel like 
> the action was full of sand.
> The Ruger wasn't that much smoother but was a million times more reliable.
> With all the hop up parts made now you can make a 10/22 into a serious 
> performance target gun
>
> -Curt
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap Hosting

[Ed Booher]

On Feb 11, 2008 11:57 AM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a cheap web and email hosting provider that does
> not totally suck? Something in the < $30/month range that a company
> who wants a web presence but does not actually do anything online
> could use? 99.9% uptime would be fine - that's 8-9 hours of downtime
> per year.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Dave Walton


Tell you what, since no one like my idea of free hosting from Google, you
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I'll start a consulting firm just for you and bring up a web server for your
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other customers too  but you wouldn't mind that, right?

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Ed Booher]

On Feb 15, 2008 2:27 AM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can say that almost all the jobs I have gotten in any field have been
> through someone I knew, or knew through someone. That's the key I think.
> People just feel much much better about going with someone they know or
> have
> some connection to.
>
> Brian
>

I can say much the same. I've found it's very true the old adage. It isn't
what you know, but who you know. LinkedIn is supposed to capitalize on that.
Like I said, I haven't needed to use it for that yet, and Allan mentioned
he's never received an request for an introduction, so I can't give you any
idea of how successful the system is just yet.

However, if you have a portfolio of art the best thing to do is go online
with it. At least that is my opinion on the subject.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Aerial view test for mericans only

[Hendrik & Fay]

I don't know any of those places.

Hendrik

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Try this aerial test
>
> www.guessthespot.com
>
> I missed one.
>
> RLE
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

[Ed Booher]

On Feb 15, 2008 2:17 AM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ed,
> Located near Seattle. Have been looking for work there.
>
> I'll check out that LinkedIn site you suggested.
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>

And you are a Graphic Artist?

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Are those little bayonet bulbs easily available or are they an MB only 
item, they seem to be different to earlier models.

Hendrik

LarryT wrote:
> I found a light out that illuminates the area around the light switch.  When 
> I removed the panel from around the light switch (it pops off by moving it 
> toward the drivers' door) I found a burned out bulb.  I don;t believe it had 
> ever worked - but the "Bad Bulb" feature in the dash didn't tell me it was 
> bad.  I'm pretty sure that is only for exterior lights.
>
> Also, there;s a lightbulb in the gearshift to indicate what ger you;re in. 
> \
> Fixing those 2 gave me light I hadnt seen before ;-)
>
> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>   
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light and bulb out warning light?

[Hendrik & Fay]

I thought the self diagnostic system checks all the circuits and only 
illuminates when the headlight are turned on.

Hendrik

Jim Cathey wrote:
>> The light comes on with I put the headlights on, but I don't see 
>> anything
>> out, high beams, turn signals etc.  I'll have to try the back up 
>> lights next
>> time I'm near a large glass window at night, my usual way to test 
>> them. :-)
>> 
>
> It isn't them, it'd only go on when you shifted into reverse if so.
> It's the license plate marker lamp.  One of two, usually.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Did ya check your parking lights, the little ones. I got a warning light 
in my 300TE and the only light that is not working is the drivers side 
parking.

Hendrik

E M wrote:
> The light comes on with I put the headlights on, but I don't see anything
> out, high beams, turn signals etc.  I'll have to try the back up lights next
> time I'm near a large glass window at night, my usual way to test them. :-)
>
> Ed
> 300E
>   
>

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Re: [MBZ] 89 300TE with dead tacho and wonky ABS light?

[Hendrik & Fay]

I did some preliminary checks of the OVP and it is feeding power to the 
ECU but it appears that the alternator is not putting out enough volts, 
drops below 12 when fully loaded.

Hendrik

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Replace the over-voltage protection relay (OVP).  It's toast, your  
> electronics won't work right.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>   

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[MBZ] Some pics of face lifted SL

[E M]

You'll find some info and pics of the newly face lifted SL here.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z14961/Mercedes-Benz_SL_600.aspx

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[E M]

ha ha ha!  Oh, and I do have one too.

Ed
300E

On 16/02/2008, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just put some Mobil1 0W30 in it, and CHANGE THE FUSE!
>
> --R
>
> archer wrote:
> > Does anyone have an old railroad watch?  I have my fathers; an Elgin.  I
> > remember him having to take it in to a "certified" watchmaker
> periodically
> > to get its accuracy checked.  It was running in 1939 when he retired
> from
> > the railroad but it doesn't run now.  Watchmaker said it would have to
> be
> > disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings
> and
> > that it would then be good as new.  He wanted a big price to do it, so I
> > declined.  Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great
> > deal as antiques.  The case was gold plated and the movement was 21
> jewel
> > IIRC.
> > Gerry
> >
> >
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[MBZ] and now for a little MB chat. :-)

[E M]

I stopped in at the dealer the other day, while I was up getting new
stickers for the plates.  The had a lot of  C Classes on the floor, most
with some kind of AMG dress on.  I think the AMG rims are a not cost option
here, but not positive.  Had a couple of SLs too which I guess they're
trying to move before the face lifted model comes in soon.  They seem to be
going with the square light theme on the SL, which is also on the current S
and C Class models.  They had a CL 550, again, sporting an AMG kit and rims,
but standard running gear.  It's a really great looking car, and much better
in the flesh than in pictures.  It's a really nice package, and from the few
reports I've read, the engine, which is mated to a 7 speed gearbox gives
surprisingly good mileage for what it is.  Couple of E classes too, which
are also due for a freshening.  I've seen a few spy pics, but too much
factory cladding on them to really see the finished product.  Oh, back to
the SL for a sec.  Don't quote me on my facts, but I think the SLR coupe has
now ceased production to make room for full time production of the droptop
SLR.  It too will end production in a year or two.  Mercedes is currently
working on "Black" version of the face lifted SL, which will get the SLRs
engine, not a turbo V12.

So, there's my monthly MB report from the local dealer. :-)  Oh, unlike the
other dealer I usually use, which has a stand along showroom for the Smart
cars, this dealer had Smart cars right alongside the MBs on the floor.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[Rich Thomas]

Just put some Mobil1 0W30 in it, and CHANGE THE FUSE!

--R

archer wrote:
> Does anyone have an old railroad watch?  I have my fathers; an Elgin.  I 
> remember him having to take it in to a "certified" watchmaker periodically 
> to get its accuracy checked.  It was running in 1939 when he retired from 
> the railroad but it doesn't run now.  Watchmaker said it would have to be 
> disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and 
> that it would then be good as new.  He wanted a big price to do it, so I 
> declined.  Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great 
> deal as antiques.  The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel 
> IIRC.
> Gerry
>   
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Jim Cathey]

>> sure, lots to like, but can you carry it down your pants though?

Not easily, there's not much room next to the ol' unit, you see.

> Just don't carry the one model with the 8 3/8" barrel, you'll get a 
> lot of
> funny looks. hee hee.

I'm partial to the 10.5" pin gun, myself.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[Rich Thomas]

Did he poison pigeons in the park?

--R

Jim Cathey wrote:
>> I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name!
>> 
>
> My old HS teacher used to sing a little ditty that
> went something like "God Bless Vespucciland..."
> That's usually about as far as he went.  Was a Tom
> Lehrer fan, too.
>
> -- Jim
>
>   
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300D

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:09:52 -0500, LarryT wrote:

> Looking for a '83-'85 300D - need to know of any weak areas to
> worry about - things specific to late W123 300Ds (I'm familiar
> with W123 240Ds)?

Not much different.

Back door power window regulator frame is prone to bending and
making the window non functional.

Otherwise its just W123 things like water on the floor from the
front and rear glass, door check straps that explode, plugged
sunroof and hood drains, door lock vacuum actuators leaking,
odometer gear slipping on it's shaft, dash light rheostat
getting flaky, dash lights getting weak, 4-way flasher sticking,
etc.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[Robert Rentfro]

Tom Lehrer...haven't heard of him in awhile.
Bob R

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> I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name!

My old HS teacher used to sing a little ditty that
went something like "God Bless Vespucciland..."
That's usually about as far as he went.  Was a Tom
Lehrer fan, too.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[E M]

Quick John, say something political before someone mentions Mobil 1 again.
;-)

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So, how soon can we get back to discussing politics?
>
>
> On 2/15/08, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just don't carry the one model with the 8 3/8" barrel, you'll get a lot
> of
> > funny looks. hee hee.
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > sure, lots to like, but can you carry it down your pants though?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 15, 2008 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based
> on
> > > > > the N
> > > > > frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so
> you're
> > > > > about
> > > > > even with your revolver. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > They do (or did).  I like the N frame.
> > > >
> > > > -- Jim
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[John Freer]

So, how soon can we get back to discussing politics?

On 2/15/08, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just don't carry the one model with the 8 3/8" barrel, you'll get a lot of
> funny looks. hee hee.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > sure, lots to like, but can you carry it down your pants though?
> >
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2008 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based on
> > > > the N
> > > > frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so you're
> > > > about
> > > > even with your revolver. ;-)
> > >
> > > They do (or did).  I like the N frame.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[Peter Frederick]

Probably dual overhead cams, shaft driven.

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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[Peter Frederick]

I have heard that the supercharger engagement was quite dramatic --  
it was electrically switched just like the kickdown switch.  98 to  
137 hp at the click of a switch had to be fun.

My mechanic friend's stepfather aquired Rommel's staff car in the  
late 40's as a junker, but it ran long enough for the two of them to  
take it for a short run on the autobahn, sitting on milk crates.  He  
said he fell over backwards when the supercharger cut in, but the  
engine tossed a main bearing so they never drove it again.

Big beast of a car, though.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[OK Don]

That is SWEET! Overhead cam I suppose? I love long straight engines --
don't know why though.

>
> Here you go:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw
>
> For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and
> the kompressor doesn't engage.
>


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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[tom savage]

OK Don wrote:
> The whole car is awesome!
> It looks like they used the same rubber flex disk at the ends of the
> drive shafts. What year is the car (1937?) ?

1935.  The flex discs are a little strange.  They're really big and 
pretty soft and compliant.  They seem way too fragile to hold up, but I 
guess they do.

Kevin Kraly wrote:
> Wow!  I thought that 500K was referring to the mileage on one of your cars. 
> There aren't too many 500K's around!  What size engine does it have (500 
> mean 5.0 liter?).

It is nominally a 5L.  Most are 5017cc, but this an early one with a 
scant 4986cc.  98hp normally and 137 with the banshee engaged.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[E M]

Just don't carry the one model with the 8 3/8" barrel, you'll get a lot of
funny looks. hee hee.

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sure, lots to like, but can you carry it down your pants though?
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2008 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based on
> > > the N
> > > frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so you're
> > > about
> > > even with your revolver. ;-)
> >
> > They do (or did).  I like the N frame.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[Jeff Zedic]

I must have missed the background story on this carany chance for a
repeat? Absolutely gorgeous!

Does it always have so much positive camber? Scary!

Also, what's the other oldie behind the 201?

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[E M]

I think they still do, if not mistaken.  I believe most of the revolvers are
now in stainless?  From what I've read, S&W have now lost most of the police
market, and their revolvers may soon become offered in a similar fashion as
Colt old SA, as a custom item.

If you like the N, you should see the X.

I should also state that most of my knowledge of guns is due to an interest
in them, and reading.  Being Canadian, handguns are very restricted here,
that's why most of us drive gassers, so we can get away from the bad guys
faster. hee hee.

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based on
> > the N
> > frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so you're
> > about
> > even with your revolver. ;-)
>
>
> They do (or did).  I like the N frame.
>
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D update

[archer]

That sounds like mineral spirits.  Used it years ago.  Worked great.
Thanks,
Gerry

- Original Message - 
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>> What kind of solvent do you use in the solvent tank?  I saw a pretty 
>> good
>> price on gallons of degreaser at one of the parts stores.
> 
> Some kind of generic stinky light oil petroleum solvent.  Bought
> a couple of 5-gallon cans of it to fill the tank with.  Works
> infinitely better than the water-based degreaser that HF sells
> along with the tank, and it keeps the pump from rusting up too.
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

sure, lots to like, but can you carry it down your pants though?

On Feb 15, 2008 9:51 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based on
> > the N
> > frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so you're
> > about
> > even with your revolver. ;-)
>
> They do (or did).  I like the N frame.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Gary Hurst]

most anything you could need, but where i get in trouble is if i'm used to
running a program and it's not on the list, i have to go search for a linux
version in .deb.

it's just silly to pay for any software in this day and age.  i remember
paying $2k for an at clone.  i remember paying $200 for nearly obsolete
486.

today, you just spend $200 for a recent refurb at microcenter and load it
with linux and get all the free software for free.  now you are happily set
for the next few years.

if that's too much investment, get something for free and have wonko figure
out what to do to make it useful.

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> That's very true Hursty. I really like the fact that built into the OS is
> a
> software search tool and it's all legit and FREEoh, yeah, and it
> works!
>
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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[tom savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

> Cool! Didja make that from a FiberFab kit?
> Did you use the leftover paint on the W140, it looks like it's the
> same color? 

Yeah, I used a VW pan with the body mounted backwards so I could have a 
front engine, and Maaco was having a twofer.

> OK, this question is more serious:
> What's the advantage of those asymmetrical two post hoists?

The lift was there when I arrived, so I haven't researched it much, but 
it is nice to be able to open the doors with the car in position.  It 
places the car further back on the lift which I guess is good for even 
weight distribution, but I can see how a Tatra could get a little tipsy. 
  And that, alas, is about all I know.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Jim Cathey]

> I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based on 
> the N
> frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so you're 
> about
> even with your revolver. ;-)

They do (or did).  I like the N frame.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Anti-Ruger

[Gary Hurst]

10/22 is such an institution, it's hard to argue against.  i've opened up
with the 10/22 at the range with a big banana clip and everything thinks i
have a machine gun.  nope, just an idiot trying to bust his gun for fun!

On Feb 15, 2008 9:04 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Good god why? I've never handled a Marlin autoloader that didn't feel like
> the action was full of sand.
> The Ruger wasn't that much smoother but was a million times more reliable.
> With all the hop up parts made now you can make a 10/22 into a serious
> performance target gun
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:31 -0800
> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a
>  model19 S&W down your pants
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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> Hmm.  Good points.  I will reconsider.
>
> I still like my Marlin Model 30 better than a 10/22, though.  ;)
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[E M]

Just lovely.  So tell me, where do you park it at night, when you're not
around?  You know, should someone want to "borrow" it. ;-)  hee hee

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LarryT wrote:
>
> > Naturally we want to hear about the drive!!  BTW, did you make a
> recording
> > of the engine running?  Never heard one  -
>
> Here you go:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw
>
> For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and
> the kompressor doesn't engage.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Jeff Zedic]

That's very true Hursty. I really like the fact that built into the OS is a
software search tool and it's all legit and FREEoh, yeah, and it works!

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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[E M]

Before starting it, hope you filled it with Mobil 1 and changed all the
fuses/  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LarryT wrote:
>
> > Naturally we want to hear about the drive!!  BTW, did you make a
> recording
> > of the engine running?  Never heard one  -
>
> Here you go:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw
>
> For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and
> the kompressor doesn't engage.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

they have 8s, so maybe a 7 too.  n frame is BIG.  the 19 is a K frame and it
is stupid big by today's concealment standards

On Feb 15, 2008 9:44 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based on the
> N
> frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so you're about
> even with your revolver. ;-)
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > i'm not as up as i should be in classic gun philosophy, but there is a
> > logic
> > to that.  i'd have to reduce that number to 6 though as i'm not carrying
> a
> > 1911 but a revolver
> >
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2008 9:35 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Wasn't it Jeff Cooper who once said, if you need more than 7 rounds,
> > > you're
> > > not in a gun fight, you're in a war?
> > >
> > > Ed
> > > 300E
> > >
> > > On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > just made the mags more expensive.
> > > >
> > > > i think high capacity is cool and fun, but in the end, if you can't
> > end
> > > a
> > > > situation in 5 or 6 shots, you really aren't prepared to be there.
> > > >
> > > > on of my favorite range stories involves my down the pants model
> > 19.  a
> > > > salty old commando was shooting there and we got to talking about
> > guns.
> > >  i
> > > > was showing him the 19 and demonstrated firing it at 25 yards.  all
> he
> > > > said
> > > > was "is that as fast as it can shoot?"  i told him that in more
> > skilled
> > > > hands it could surely be shot faster, but it really isn't exactly
> > built
> > > > for
> > > > speed.  at which point he looked puzzled and asked "so what the hell
> > use
> > > > is
> > > > that to me then?"
> > > >
> > > > i guess soldiers in urban combat need speed and high capacity, but i
> > > think
> > > > most of us are ok with a nice .38.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 15, 2008 9:00 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are
> > stamped
> > > > all
> > > > > > over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell
> kind
> > of
> > > > > > statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that
> > attitude
> > > > > pissing
> > > > > > people off
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill
> > > dozens
> > > > > of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing
> > mags
> > > > > with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before
> > 1994)?
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Re: [MBZ] 190D update

[Jim Cathey]

> What kind of solvent do you use in the solvent tank?  I saw a pretty 
> good
> price on gallons of degreaser at one of the parts stores.

Some kind of generic stinky light oil petroleum solvent.  Bought
a couple of 5-gallon cans of it to fill the tank with.  Works
infinitely better than the water-based degreaser that HF sells
along with the tank, and it keeps the pump from rusting up too.

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, he's also one of a kind.  i wouldn't even dare time myself for
something like htat.

On Feb 15, 2008 9:41 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This guy does ok with an old wheel gun. hee hee.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLx5ISBXw4&NR=1
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > just made the mags more expensive.
> >
> > i think high capacity is cool and fun, but in the end, if you can't end
> a
> > situation in 5 or 6 shots, you really aren't prepared to be there.
> >
> > on of my favorite range stories involves my down the pants model 19.  a
> > salty old commando was shooting there and we got to talking about guns.
>  i
> > was showing him the 19 and demonstrated firing it at 25 yards.  all he
> > said
> > was "is that as fast as it can shoot?"  i told him that in more skilled
> > hands it could surely be shot faster, but it really isn't exactly built
> > for
> > speed.  at which point he looked puzzled and asked "so what the hell use
> > is
> > that to me then?"
> >
> > i guess soldiers in urban combat need speed and high capacity, but i
> think
> > most of us are ok with a nice .38.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2008 9:00 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >
> > > > i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are stamped
> > all
> > > > over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind of
> > > > statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that attitude
> > > pissing
> > > > people off
> > >
> > >
> > > Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill
> dozens
> > > of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing mags
> > > with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before 1994)?
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[E M]

I think S&W make a 7 shot revolver in 357 mag?  Think it was based on the N
frame.  A lot of semi autos throw their first shot anyway, so you're about
even with your revolver. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i'm not as up as i should be in classic gun philosophy, but there is a
> logic
> to that.  i'd have to reduce that number to 6 though as i'm not carrying a
> 1911 but a revolver
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2008 9:35 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Wasn't it Jeff Cooper who once said, if you need more than 7 rounds,
> > you're
> > not in a gun fight, you're in a war?
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > just made the mags more expensive.
> > >
> > > i think high capacity is cool and fun, but in the end, if you can't
> end
> > a
> > > situation in 5 or 6 shots, you really aren't prepared to be there.
> > >
> > > on of my favorite range stories involves my down the pants model
> 19.  a
> > > salty old commando was shooting there and we got to talking about
> guns.
> >  i
> > > was showing him the 19 and demonstrated firing it at 25 yards.  all he
> > > said
> > > was "is that as fast as it can shoot?"  i told him that in more
> skilled
> > > hands it could surely be shot faster, but it really isn't exactly
> built
> > > for
> > > speed.  at which point he looked puzzled and asked "so what the hell
> use
> > > is
> > > that to me then?"
> > >
> > > i guess soldiers in urban combat need speed and high capacity, but i
> > think
> > > most of us are ok with a nice .38.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 15, 2008 9:00 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are
> stamped
> > > all
> > > > > over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind
> of
> > > > > statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that
> attitude
> > > > pissing
> > > > > people off
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill
> > dozens
> > > > of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing
> mags
> > > > with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before
> 1994)?
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[Jim Cathey]

> I'm just glad that we used the mapmaker's FIRST name!

My old HS teacher used to sing a little ditty that
went something like "God Bless Vespucciland..."
That's usually about as far as he went.  Was a Tom
Lehrer fan, too.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[Gary Hurst]

how much was this big sum?

On Feb 15, 2008 9:11 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone have an old railroad watch?  I have my fathers; an Elgin.  I
> remember him having to take it in to a "certified" watchmaker periodically
> to get its accuracy checked.  It was running in 1939 when he retired from
> the railroad but it doesn't run now.  Watchmaker said it would have to be
> disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings
> and
> that it would then be good as new.  He wanted a big price to do it, so I
> declined.  Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great
> deal as antiques.  The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel
> IIRC.
> Gerry
> -
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > you have heard the expression "on the ball?"  webb c ball had a jewelery
> > shop on cleveland where the time was wired in from the US Naval
> > Observatory
> > and displayed in the window.  webb ball and those who came by his shop
> in
> > cleveland really were among the few in that age who could answer the
> > question of whether anybody knows what time it is.
> >
> > webb really liked precision timekeepers.  he'd buy very good movements
> > from
> > very solid makers and "hot rod" them in the shop.  you could go into
> > ball's
> > shop and buy one of hte most accurate watches on the earth at the end of
> > the
> > 19th century.  and then ball and his crew could keep it running like
> that
> > for you indefinitely.
> >
> > ball's watches really, really good and priced accordingly.  the average
> > man
> > in the street had neither the means to afford such a timepiece nor the
> > need
> > for one, as he could live happily with a 15 second a day watch and
> didn't
> > need one that was tuned to 15 seconds a season.  so what was ball to do?
> >
> > he went out telling eveyrone the story of how there was this terrible
> > train
> > crash caused by imprecise timekeeping and how a ball watch maintained at
> > the
> > ball shop was the way to solve this so it would never happen again.  as
> it
> > says in wikipedia:
> >
> > In 1891 there was a collision between Lake Shore and Michigan Southern
> > Railways at Kipton, Ohio 
> > which
> > occurred because an engineer 's
> > watch
> > had stopped. The railroad officials commissioned Webb C. Ball as their
> > Chief
> > Time Inspector, in order to establish precision standards and a reliable
> > timepiece inspection system for Railroad
> > chronometers
> > .
> > He established strict guidelines for the manufacturing of sturdy,
> reliable
> > precision timepieces, including resistance to magnetism, reliability of
> > time
> > keeping in 5 positions,
> > isochronism<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isochronism&action=edit>,
> > power reserve  and dial
> > arrangement, accompanied with record keeping of the reliability of the
> > watch
> > on each regular inspection
> >
> > the legendary railroad watch is established and the ball watch is king
> of
> > them all.  only thing is, though, there never was such a crash.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[E M]

This guy does ok with an old wheel gun. hee hee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLx5ISBXw4&NR=1

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> just made the mags more expensive.
>
> i think high capacity is cool and fun, but in the end, if you can't end a
> situation in 5 or 6 shots, you really aren't prepared to be there.
>
> on of my favorite range stories involves my down the pants model 19.  a
> salty old commando was shooting there and we got to talking about guns.  i
> was showing him the 19 and demonstrated firing it at 25 yards.  all he
> said
> was "is that as fast as it can shoot?"  i told him that in more skilled
> hands it could surely be shot faster, but it really isn't exactly built
> for
> speed.  at which point he looked puzzled and asked "so what the hell use
> is
> that to me then?"
>
> i guess soldiers in urban combat need speed and high capacity, but i think
> most of us are ok with a nice .38.
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2008 9:00 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> >
> > > i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are stamped
> all
> > > over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind of
> > > statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that attitude
> > pissing
> > > people off
> >
> >
> > Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill dozens
> > of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing mags
> > with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before 1994)?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[tom savage]

LarryT wrote:

> Naturally we want to hear about the drive!!  BTW, did you make a recording 
> of the engine running?  Never heard one  -

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw

For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and 
the kompressor doesn't engage.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

i'm not as up as i should be in classic gun philosophy, but there is a logic
to that.  i'd have to reduce that number to 6 though as i'm not carrying a
1911 but a revolver

On Feb 15, 2008 9:35 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wasn't it Jeff Cooper who once said, if you need more than 7 rounds,
> you're
> not in a gun fight, you're in a war?
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > just made the mags more expensive.
> >
> > i think high capacity is cool and fun, but in the end, if you can't end
> a
> > situation in 5 or 6 shots, you really aren't prepared to be there.
> >
> > on of my favorite range stories involves my down the pants model 19.  a
> > salty old commando was shooting there and we got to talking about guns.
>  i
> > was showing him the 19 and demonstrated firing it at 25 yards.  all he
> > said
> > was "is that as fast as it can shoot?"  i told him that in more skilled
> > hands it could surely be shot faster, but it really isn't exactly built
> > for
> > speed.  at which point he looked puzzled and asked "so what the hell use
> > is
> > that to me then?"
> >
> > i guess soldiers in urban combat need speed and high capacity, but i
> think
> > most of us are ok with a nice .38.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2008 9:00 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >
> > > > i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are stamped
> > all
> > > > over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind of
> > > > statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that attitude
> > > pissing
> > > > people off
> > >
> > >
> > > Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill
> dozens
> > > of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing mags
> > > with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before 1994)?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

dropping a loaded rifle is a bad idea.  best not to be dropping any gun as a
matter of course.

On Feb 15, 2008 9:09 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I wonder how many shot it more than once.
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > wow.  amazing.  i would hope that gun only one bullet it in it a time
> the
> >  way those idiots were throwing it around.
> >
> >  i'd definitely want to shoot it.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Gary Hurst]

to be honest, i'm really mostly going with ubuntu because of the quantity of
resources available.  if i become proficient or ubuntu fails me, i'll pick
something else.

ubuntu as been going ok for me.  basically, if it's not part of the built in
downloads, find a version of the program you want in a .deb, and it is as
automatic as windoze if not even easier.

On Feb 15, 2008 9:29 PM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 15/02/2008, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Nice distro, isn't it?:-)
>
>
>
> It certainly is!! I recommend it highly!
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[E M]

Wasn't it Jeff Cooper who once said, if you need more than 7 rounds, you're
not in a gun fight, you're in a war?

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> just made the mags more expensive.
>
> i think high capacity is cool and fun, but in the end, if you can't end a
> situation in 5 or 6 shots, you really aren't prepared to be there.
>
> on of my favorite range stories involves my down the pants model 19.  a
> salty old commando was shooting there and we got to talking about guns.  i
> was showing him the 19 and demonstrated firing it at 25 yards.  all he
> said
> was "is that as fast as it can shoot?"  i told him that in more skilled
> hands it could surely be shot faster, but it really isn't exactly built
> for
> speed.  at which point he looked puzzled and asked "so what the hell use
> is
> that to me then?"
>
> i guess soldiers in urban combat need speed and high capacity, but i think
> most of us are ok with a nice .38.
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2008 9:00 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> >
> > > i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are stamped
> all
> > > over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind of
> > > statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that attitude
> > pissing
> > > people off
> >
> >
> > Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill dozens
> > of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing mags
> > with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before 1994)?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

just made the mags more expensive.

i think high capacity is cool and fun, but in the end, if you can't end a
situation in 5 or 6 shots, you really aren't prepared to be there.

on of my favorite range stories involves my down the pants model 19.  a
salty old commando was shooting there and we got to talking about guns.  i
was showing him the 19 and demonstrated firing it at 25 yards.  all he said
was "is that as fast as it can shoot?"  i told him that in more skilled
hands it could surely be shot faster, but it really isn't exactly built for
speed.  at which point he looked puzzled and asked "so what the hell use is
that to me then?"

i guess soldiers in urban combat need speed and high capacity, but i think
most of us are ok with a nice .38.

On Feb 15, 2008 9:00 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are stamped all
> > over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind of
> > statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that attitude
> pissing
> > people off
>
>
> Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill dozens
> of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing mags
> with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before 1994)?
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Jeff Zedic]

On 15/02/2008, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nice distro, isn't it?:-)



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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[archer]

Does anyone have an old railroad watch?  I have my fathers; an Elgin.  I 
remember him having to take it in to a "certified" watchmaker periodically 
to get its accuracy checked.  It was running in 1939 when he retired from 
the railroad but it doesn't run now.  Watchmaker said it would have to be 
disassembled so the dried oil could be cleaned out of the jewel bearings and 
that it would then be good as new.  He wanted a big price to do it, so I 
declined.  Watchmaker said such watchs were common and not worth a great 
deal as antiques.  The case was gold plated and the movement was 21 jewel 
IIRC.
Gerry
-
- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> you have heard the expression "on the ball?"  webb c ball had a jewelery
> shop on cleveland where the time was wired in from the US Naval 
> Observatory
> and displayed in the window.  webb ball and those who came by his shop in
> cleveland really were among the few in that age who could answer the
> question of whether anybody knows what time it is.
>
> webb really liked precision timekeepers.  he'd buy very good movements 
> from
> very solid makers and "hot rod" them in the shop.  you could go into 
> ball's
> shop and buy one of hte most accurate watches on the earth at the end of 
> the
> 19th century.  and then ball and his crew could keep it running like that
> for you indefinitely.
>
> ball's watches really, really good and priced accordingly.  the average 
> man
> in the street had neither the means to afford such a timepiece nor the 
> need
> for one, as he could live happily with a 15 second a day watch and didn't
> need one that was tuned to 15 seconds a season.  so what was ball to do?
>
> he went out telling eveyrone the story of how there was this terrible 
> train
> crash caused by imprecise timekeeping and how a ball watch maintained at 
> the
> ball shop was the way to solve this so it would never happen again.  as it
> says in wikipedia:
>
> In 1891 there was a collision between Lake Shore and Michigan Southern
> Railways at Kipton, Ohio  
> which
> occurred because an engineer 's 
> watch
> had stopped. The railroad officials commissioned Webb C. Ball as their 
> Chief
> Time Inspector, in order to establish precision standards and a reliable
> timepiece inspection system for Railroad
> chronometers
> .
> He established strict guidelines for the manufacturing of sturdy, reliable
> precision timepieces, including resistance to magnetism, reliability of 
> time
> keeping in 5 positions,
> isochronism,
> power reserve  and dial
> arrangement, accompanied with record keeping of the reliability of the 
> watch
> on each regular inspection
>
> the legendary railroad watch is established and the ball watch is king of
> them all.  only thing is, though, there never was such a crash.


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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[OK Don]

Not likely - I tend to accumulate, not trade.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll take your PPK off your hands after you buy one.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Wonko the Sane]

Phhhe

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> that would have been me.  i've been recommending it for the last decade
>
> On Feb 15, 2008 7:53 PM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to say a big thanks to whomever it was that recommended
> PCLinuxOS
> > 2007 (Lt Don?)
> >
> > I got fed up with trying to sort out my browser probs with Ubuntu and
> > tried
> > this one. After a whopping 7 minute install I was up and running and
> have
> > been rock solid ever since!
> >
> > A...that's better!!
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[OK Don]

I wonder how many shot it more than once.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wow.  amazing.  i would hope that gun only one bullet it in it a time the
>  way those idiots were throwing it around.
>
>  i'd definitely want to shoot it.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[OK Don]

Decade of dog months, that is ---

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that would have been me.  i've been recommending it for the last decade
>

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Re: [MBZ] Anti-Ruger

[Curt Raymond]

Good god why? I've never handled a Marlin autoloader that didn't feel like the 
action was full of sand.
The Ruger wasn't that much smoother but was a million times more reliable.
With all the hop up parts made now you can make a 10/22 into a serious 
performance target gun

-Curt

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:31 -0800
From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a
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Hmm.  Good points.  I will reconsider.

I still like my Marlin Model 30 better than a 10/22, though.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving amodel19 S&W down your pants

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:
 
> i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are stamped all
> over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind of
> statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that attitude pissing
> people off


Remember when everybody (except cops, who need to be able to kill dozens
of peons at a time) was prohibited by federal law from purchasing mags
with capacity over 10 rounds (unless the mags were made before 1994)?

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Re: [MBZ] BMW 524td - buy this and sell the SD?

[Kevin]

Rusty has said before he can get parts for them, but there are better cars
out there for the money that won't cause you big headaches.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:10:12AM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote:
> Be prepared to pay through the nostrils for any parts needed.  The 
> good news is that IF the parts are available Rusty can get them.  I'd 
> bet that any parts for the engine would have to be shipped from Germany.

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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

wow.  amazing.  i would hope that gun only one bullet it in it a time the
way those idiots were throwing it around.

i'd definitely want to shoot it.

On Feb 15, 2008 7:18 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You call that ferocious recoil?  hee hee.  This is recoil. :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFlXMHaSVQ&feature=related
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 15/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >  On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >  > http://www.rugerlcp.com/?TID=BM468-20080215
> > >  >  ___
> >
> >
> > Looks like a rip-off of the Kel-Tec P-3AT---a great little pistol,
> > although I prefer the .32 caliber version which has slightly less
> > ferocious recoil.
> >
> > I won't buy anything Ruger makes, since they basically rolled over and
> > played dead for the Clinton administration during the Assault Weapons
> > ban (remember that?).
> >
> >
> > Alex Chamberlain
> > '87 300D Turbo et al.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300D

[E M]

I'm sure he'll be getting a very well sorted car Larry.

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> gave it to my son --
>
> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300D
>
>
> > What's happening to the 240D Larry?
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

i have some 20 round factory mags for the mini 14.  they are stamped all
over "for law enforcement use only".  not sure what the hell kind of
statement they are trying to make there, but i can see that attitude pissing
people off

as an aside, just because ruger stamps that on the mag has no legal
standing.

On Feb 15, 2008 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> > I won't buy anything Ruger makes, since they basically rolled over and
> > played dead for the Clinton administration during the Assault Weapons
> > ban (remember that?).
>
> Two things to consider:
> 1. Bill Ruger Sr. is dead now.
> 2. The Rugers basically sold all their stock, so only the name remains.
>
> If you continue to boycott Ruger for the deal Bill made to keep the
> mini-14 out of the AWB (dear Washington, please ban all my competitors
> but not me), then you should boycott S&W for the deal it made with
> the Clintons back when the Brits owned S&W.
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Re: [MBZ] GM cars

[Kevin]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 07:56:49AM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > I could I would drive a different car every month, just to be able to 
> > enjoy the little quirks about each car.
> 
> I do, sort of.  About a dozen that could be driven, though most
> not right away.  Anathema to my wife, however.  Not real fond
> of GM in general, but we have a couple.  I guess we've got Ford,
> GM, Chrysler, and MB represented.  Nothing Japanese, however.
> No front-wheel drive.  No SUV of any sort.  I guess we're weird.

Yeah, same here, except I have one front drive car, one japanese truck,
and ... a bunch of SUVs. Have all three of the big three represented, two of
the not so big three, as well as mercedes, vw, and toyota.

Truth be told, I can find something to complain about with each of them. 
Nothing is perfect, and once you're used to something's quirks and know where
to find parts for it, you can generally keep it going okay, except perhaps
some lucas wired or italian vehicles. Some days, everything drives me nuts
and I want to get rid of them all and have a horse and a bicycle.

I'm not really a fan of asian cars myself, but cut the toyota slack because
I have a soft spot for old landcruisers. This one even has a factory diesel
with five speed. The vw is front drive, which I don't prefer either, but
it's still fun in its own right.

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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[Gary Hurst]

the p3at is serious junk.  a 50 round gun.

that being said, i do own one.  fits nicely in a shirt pocket.

given ruger's reputation for over building everything, this one probably
merits a look, if your politics will allow it.

On Feb 15, 2008 6:53 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >  On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >  > http://www.rugerlcp.com/?TID=BM468-20080215
> >  >  ___
>
> Looks like a rip-off of the Kel-Tec P-3AT---a great little pistol,
> although I prefer the .32 caliber version which has slightly less
> ferocious recoil.
>
> I won't buy anything Ruger makes, since they basically rolled over and
> played dead for the Clinton administration during the Assault Weapons
> ban (remember that?).
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al.
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Gary Hurst]

that would have been me.  i've been recommending it for the last decade

On Feb 15, 2008 7:53 PM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd like to say a big thanks to whomever it was that recommended PCLinuxOS
> 2007 (Lt Don?)
>
> I got fed up with trying to sort out my browser probs with Ubuntu and
> tried
> this one. After a whopping 7 minute install I was up and running and have
> been rock solid ever since!
>
> A...that's better!!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Aerial view test

[OK Don]

Worthless- I missed 6!


>  >>
>  >> I missed one.
>  >

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Re: [MBZ] Climate control 1980 300D

[Mitch Haley]

jgiels wrote:
 
> Ok bit what years and versions is the 3.5L 603 engine?

If it's in a W126 or a W140 in the USA in the 1990s, it's a 350, 
even after they started calling them 300SD or S300D.

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Re: [MBZ] Did I mention

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The original crossover if you don't count the Scout "fastback" back in the 60s
>
>

Pshaw.  The Eagle was a unibody design.  A beefed-up passenger car
with a truck AWD system, not a truck with cosmetic changes to make it
look like a car if you squinted.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300D

[LarryT]

gave it to my son -- 

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> What's happening to the 240D Larry?
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 15/02/2008, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Looking for a '83-'85 300D - need to know of any weak areas to worry 
>> about
>> -
>> things specific to late W123 300Ds (I'm familiar with W123 240Ds)?One
>> owner of an '85 300D said his is not Turbocharged - he said it was a weak
>> spot- True?
>>
>> After driving my '91 300D T don't know if I want a 300D without a turbo -
>> how much of a negative is that?
>>
>> TIA -
>>
>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[jgiels]

I have used this version and have it on a hard drive that I swap to at 
times. though it doesn't do the windows media on the above the w sites well. 
I really have hopes that soon it will.
Love this version and want more to improve.

Douglas
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:55 PM
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> Nice distro, isn't it?:-)
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to say a big thanks to whomever it was that recommended 
>> PCLinuxOS
>> 2007 (Lt Don?)
>>
>> I got fed up with trying to sort out my browser probs with Ubuntu and
>> tried
>> this one. After a whopping 7 minute install I was up and running and have
>> been rock solid ever since!
>>
>> A...that's better!!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Climate control 1980 300D

[jgiels]

Ok bit what years and versions is the 3.5L 603 engine?

thanks Douglas
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> The 3.5L version of the 603 engine was subject to aquiring bent rods  
> in normal service.  There are several theories as to why this  
> happened, but the result was that either the engine had to be  
> completely rebuild with new rods, pistons, liners, and bearings, or a  
> new long block purchased -- about $7000 either way.  Not nice, and  
> once the rods bent the first sign was usually a huge cloud of blue  
> smoke
> 
> The W124 chassis is quite nice -- and very safe (I got hit in the  
> driver's door by a 3/4 ton van doing 60 and got away almost unhurt)  
> and the W126 cars are very very nice.  The W140 chassis is also quite  
> nice, but suffers from expensive electronics problems, to the point  
> no one wants them.  The W210 chassis diesel is nice, too, but I don't  
> know much about those.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Climate control 1980 300D

[Peter Frederick]

The 3.5L version of the 603 engine was subject to aquiring bent rods  
in normal service.  There are several theories as to why this  
happened, but the result was that either the engine had to be  
completely rebuild with new rods, pistons, liners, and bearings, or a  
new long block purchased -- about $7000 either way.  Not nice, and  
once the rods bent the first sign was usually a huge cloud of blue  
smoke

The W124 chassis is quite nice -- and very safe (I got hit in the  
driver's door by a 3/4 ton van doing 60 and got away almost unhurt)  
and the W126 cars are very very nice.  The W140 chassis is also quite  
nice, but suffers from expensive electronics problems, to the point  
no one wants them.  The W210 chassis diesel is nice, too, but I don't  
know much about those.

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[MBZ] Climate control 1980 300D

[jgiels]

I want you all to know that I have been struggling with the climate on my 300D 
for some time now. Have received alot of support from several people here and 
think that I have narrowed the last bit down. 

It seems that the in car sensor the is by the right front speaker is 
Intermintant! To open on to infinity at times I have changed it out with 
another and though I think it stuck once (just this morning) it has worked 
perfectly for a whole week!

My thanks to all that contribute to this wonderful list!

Douglas.. 

Ps what is the best late model diesel MBZ has.. am looking in the future.. 
maybe 5 - 10 years to replace.. my 123. I am confused with all the rodbender 
themes.
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Re: [MBZ] GM cars

[E M]

I still have one kicking around.  Cheaper to own and run than taking the
bus.  AND, it still wears it's original exhaust system!!  Amazing when you
think of the mileage and road salt the car has been exposed to.

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> >
> > I used to like the 86-90 or whatever sunbirds with teh 1.8 or 2.0.  They
> > were good for delivering papers.
>
> Mom had a '85 or '86 4-door with a 5sp. Nice little car. Not fast, but
> fun to drive and capable of 40mpg. Best shifter of any GM car I ever
> drove, light effort and never a missed shift.
>
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Re: [MBZ] a little gift

[E M]

Ah, the humble beginnings of the idea behind Ziebart.

Ed
300E

On 15/02/2008, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
> >
> > How could one distinguish that from the car?
>
> By the smell in humid weather?
> I'd be a little unhappy if my new Avanti had a door full of turd.
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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model19 S&W down your pants

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>  Two things to consider:
>  1. Bill Ruger Sr. is dead now.
>  2. The Rugers basically sold all their stock, so only the name remains.
>
>  If you continue to boycott Ruger for the deal Bill made to keep the
>  mini-14 out of the AWB (dear Washington, please ban all my competitors
>  but not me), then you should boycott S&W for the deal it made with
>  the Clintons back when the Brits owned S&W.

Hmm.  Good points.  I will reconsider.

I still like my Marlin Model 30 better than a 10/22, though.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Wonko the Sane]

Nice distro, isn't it?:-)

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd like to say a big thanks to whomever it was that recommended PCLinuxOS
> 2007 (Lt Don?)
>
> I got fed up with trying to sort out my browser probs with Ubuntu and
> tried
> this one. After a whopping 7 minute install I was up and running and have
> been rock solid ever since!
>
> A...that's better!!
>
> Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Linux fans rejoice

[Jeff Zedic]

I'd like to say a big thanks to whomever it was that recommended PCLinuxOS
2007 (Lt Don?)

I got fed up with trying to sort out my browser probs with Ubuntu and tried
this one. After a whopping 7 minute install I was up and running and have
been rock solid ever since!

A...that's better!!

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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model19 S&W down your pants

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> I won't buy anything Ruger makes, since they basically rolled over and
> played dead for the Clinton administration during the Assault Weapons
> ban (remember that?).

Two things to consider:
1. Bill Ruger Sr. is dead now.
2. The Rugers basically sold all their stock, so only the name remains. 

If you continue to boycott Ruger for the deal Bill made to keep the
mini-14 out of the AWB (dear Washington, please ban all my competitors
but not me), then you should boycott S&W for the deal it made with
the Clintons back when the Brits owned S&W.

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Re: [MBZ] Did I mention

[Jeff Zedic]

Actually the Megane is a very popular and decently built car. Back in the UK
there were millions of them. I'm not keen on the shape of the hatchback of
the Megane but many people are.

These are not your father's Renaults.hmmm, where have I heard that
before?

Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] GM cars

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> I used to like the 86-90 or whatever sunbirds with teh 1.8 or 2.0.  They
> were good for delivering papers.

Mom had a '85 or '86 4-door with a 5sp. Nice little car. Not fast, but
fun to drive and capable of 40mpg. Best shifter of any GM car I ever
drove, light effort and never a missed shift.

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Re: [MBZ] a little gift

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
> 
> How could one distinguish that from the car?

By the smell in humid weather?
I'd be a little unhappy if my new Avanti had a door full of turd.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: DDT was: Chickens

[Peter Frederick]

More like dead fish forever, which is the objection to oil slicks --  
prevents oxygen getting into the water, very bad.  Very stinky, anyway.

DDT certainly did thin eggshells -- remember, the affected birds all  
ate fish, and DDT collects in the fat of the fish.  They were eating  
several hunderd milligrams a day, or more, much higher that the  
recent psuedoscience stuff would inidicate.

Funny, the thining eggshell problem went away when DDT use stopped

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Did I mention

[Loren Faeth]

The original crossover if you don't count the Scout "fastback" back in the 60s

At 06:21 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:
>On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sounds like a regular Renault "Alliance"...ha ha, get it?
>
>The more things change...
>
>Next thing they'll bring back the AMC Eagle... the original "crossover"!
>
>Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] W124 vent light?

[Peter Frederick]

You need to check the marker lamps and the license plate lamps,  
especially for one that is dimmer than the rest.  The module works by  
measuring current draw to the pairs of lamps -- if they don't pull  
the same amps, the warming light comes on.  You may have to replace  
all the bulbs with matched ones, I had that problem in the Volvo.   
different manufacturer's bulbs don't pull the same amps/

however, it can still be a bad module.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Did I mention

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds like a regular Renault "Alliance"...ha ha, get it?

The more things change...

Next thing they'll bring back the AMC Eagle... the original "crossover"!

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[Loren Faeth]

I'll take your PPK off your hands after you buy one.

At 05:46 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:
>Cool! Makes the PPK look big! Didn't see a price ---
>
>On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.rugerlcp.com/?TID=BM468-20080215
> >  ___
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Re: [MBZ] OT for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[E M]

You call that ferocious recoil?  hee hee.  This is recoil. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFlXMHaSVQ&feature=related

Ed
300E

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> >  On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >  > http://www.rugerlcp.com/?TID=BM468-20080215
> >  >  ___
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>
> Looks like a rip-off of the Kel-Tec P-3AT---a great little pistol,
> although I prefer the .32 caliber version which has slightly less
> ferocious recoil.
>
> I won't buy anything Ruger makes, since they basically rolled over and
> played dead for the Clinton administration during the Assault Weapons
> ban (remember that?).
>
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If his 85 was not turbo, it was a euro model.  The turbo was not a weak 
spot on those cars.  In fact, I have seen far more worn out 240d's than 
I have 300D turbo engines.

LarryT wrote:
> Looking for a '83-'85 300D - need to know of any weak areas to worry about - 
> things specific to late W123 300Ds (I'm familiar with W123 240Ds)?One 
> owner of an '85 300D said his is not Turbocharged - he said it was a weak 
> spot- True?
> 
> After driving my '91 300D T don't know if I want a 300D without a turbo - 
> how much of a negative is that?
> 
> TIA -
> 
> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] Did I mention

[Zeitgeist]

Sounds like a regular Renault "Alliance"...ha ha, get it?

On Feb 15, 2008 4:03 PM, David Bruckmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> That's because it isn't a Japanese car. It's made in Mexico and is a
> rebadged Renault (their "B" platform, used by the Clio and Modus). Ditto for
> the Sentra, which uses the Megane or "C" platform.
>
> There has been some discussion that Chrysler may rebadge some Renault B-
> and C- cars to fill the gaping hole in their product line, ie the absence of
> any small, fuel-efficient vehicles.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300D

[OK Don]

My 115 300Ds with auto trannys had significantly more 'get up and go'
than the 240D manual tranny 123.  I don't remember hearing that the
123 300d, turbo or not, had a weak point!
I'd personally rather a 124 than any of the above however ---

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Re: [MBZ] GM cars

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I used to like the 86-90 or whatever sunbirds with teh 1.8 or 2.0.  They 
were good for delivering papers.

Donald Snook wrote:
> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> "geez, you sure are a GM lover, whats to like about those cars?"
> 
> I do like GM cars as well as fords and Mercedes, etc. I just really like 
> cars.  I do have a special appreciation for GM cars. I am sure it is because 
> I know how to work on them. I know the engine codes and which ones leak oil 
> from the old distributor shaft seal, and which one is easy to replace the 
> water pump and which one is a bear, I know which one you have to roll the 
> engine forward in the mount in order to change the rear plugs, I know which 
> 3800 will need an intake gasket.  I know exactly what is sounds like when a 
> water pump is going bad.
> 
> See, I know all this weird stuff about GM cars, the way you all know stuff 
> about Mercedes.  I am learning about Mercedes, but I doubt I will ever know 
> as much as I do about GM cars.
> 
> It doesn't mean that I don't love Mercedes, I do.  I am married to my wife, 
> but not to my choice in cars.  If I could I would drive a different car every 
> month, just to be able to enjoy the little quirks about each car.
> 
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] parts interchangeability 82 380SEL - 83 SD

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

All the parts will swap just fine with the exception of rear doors/door 
panels.

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> few parts.  The donor dash has the burl wood trim and no cracks so I'm  gonna 
> try that - all the cutouts appear identical including shifter trim.   It 
> looks 
> to be a real PITA job, but I'm sure it is in the manual.   Does anybody have 
> thoughts on this job from personal experience and/or a  link to a write up if 
> it 
> exists?  Not sure how I am going to  handle the trim for the rear doors.
>  
> Another swap will be the front seats (not heated) along with a dye job from  
> brown leather to black.  Am I gonna get lucky on the bolt holes lining  up?
>  
> The car has front end body damage with 187k and receipts for a $3800 tranny  
> rebuild 30k miles ago - lemme know if anyone needs anything.  I'm up near  
> Lake Tahoe.
>  
> Steve
> 250SE
> 220
> 450SLC
> 300SD
> 380SEL parts
> 5 cars is nucking futs!  how do people do 10?
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Did I mention

[David Bruckmann]

That's because it isn't a Japanese car. It's made in Mexico and is a rebadged 
Renault (their "B" platform, used by the Clio and Modus). Ditto for the Sentra, 
which uses the Megane or "C" platform.

There has been some discussion that Chrysler may rebadge some Renault B- and C- 
cars to fill the gaping hole in their product line, ie the absence of any 
small, fuel-efficient vehicles.

D.

Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>Here in Toronto I've got a Nissan Versa for a rental car. I haven't noticed any
>of the "tinny" feeling you all seem to dislike about small Japaneese cars. 
>Don't get me wrong this is a VERY small car. However the doors shut with a 
>reassuring thump.

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Re: [MBZ] 500K

[OK Don]

The whole car is awesome!
It looks like they used the same rubber flex disk at the ends of the
drive shafts. What year is the car (1937?) ?

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm mesmerized by the backlit gauges in that mother-of-pearl dash--just FN
>  dreamy
>


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'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] Gmail problems

[OK Don]

I had a couple of "can't resolve the name mercedes@okiebenz.com"
bounces a couple of days ago, when trying to respond to the list, but
they went away 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:35 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no problem receiving from the list, or personal mail, but very little is
>  coming through from another list I subscribe to.  I run firefox along with
>  gmail, and I find it does a great job of catching and filtering out the spam
>  and pop ups.
>
>  Ed
>  300E

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Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] WAS Not 240 OT Blacks Whites etc

[OK Don]

Have you seen the T-shirt with the picture of four North American
aboriginals and the caption:
"Homeland Security  Fighting Terrorism Since 1492"

http://www.westwindworld.com/store/


On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:09 AM, andrew strasfogel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We are all immigrants except for the North American aboriginals.
>

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Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] for those of you who can't get away with shoving a model 19 S&W down your pants

[Alex Chamberlain]

>  On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > http://www.rugerlcp.com/?TID=BM468-20080215
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Looks like a rip-off of the Kel-Tec P-3AT---a great little pistol,
although I prefer the .32 caliber version which has slightly less
ferocious recoil.

I won't buy anything Ruger makes, since they basically rolled over and
played dead for the Clinton administration during the Assault Weapons
ban (remember that?).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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