Re: [MBZ] OT computer software question

2008-11-21 Thread Fmiser
   Rolf wrote:

   If your ISP allows IMAP switch to it (POP is what
   most people use  for email protocol but is pretty useless).

  Fmiser wrote:
  Useless!!??
 
  Might apply if you have permanent internet connection and
  don't care if you loose privacy rights after your mail has
  been on their server for for 180 days.

 Luther asked:
 Please explain the privacy right section of your email.

Email is protected by privacy laws. Once it's been sitting on
someones server for 180 days, it is no longer considered
private communication in transit or some such label.

After the time limit, it's just data. Thus a subpoena instead of
a warrant is all that's needed to get a copy of it.

Also, once the mail is read, it may have less protection from
the law. It's true of snail mail and it may apply to e-mail.

If you use POP3 and remove the mail from the 3rd party server
before reading it and before it's 120 days old, all you have to
worry about is the Patriot Act or crooked courts.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/gmail.html
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/the-privacy-risk-from-the-courts/
http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html
http://www.eff.org/

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Hendrik  Fay wrote:

with no political stickers on the vehicles..yet


When you get them, consider sticking them to thin sheet magnet stock.
For indoor use, you could probably print your own from a picture downloaded off
the internet. This one's probably too small and pixelated:
http://s.fatwallet.com/static//i/forums/customavatars/17583.jpg

You can find some pics here, or even order stickers and yard signs (Oops, I just 
tried out their shopping cart, it was only set up to calculate freight to USA 
and possessions, but the worst part is that when I put in my zip code, the only 
option was UPS ground, $8 to ship a $1 sticker, what idiot thought that up?)

http://store.barackobama.com/Stickers_s/500.htm

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mitch,
  Not that I support buying Obama stickers  but if you don't select ups when 
checking out you can get usps standard for $2.95 or priority for $5.80. Still 
making a profit on the shipping.
  I will see if my friend Brian has any laying around we could send out to OZ.

Mike
-Original Message-
Date: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:09:59 am
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
 with no political stickers on the vehicles..yet

When you get them, consider sticking them to thin sheet magnet stock.
For indoor use, you could probably print your own from a picture downloaded off
the internet. This one's probably too small and pixelated:
http://s.fatwallet.com/static//i/forums/customavatars/17583.jpg

You can find some pics here, or even order stickers and yard signs (Oops, I 
just 
tried out their shopping cart, it was only set up to calculate freight to USA 
and possessions, but the worst part is that when I put in my zip code, the only 
option was UPS ground, $8 to ship a $1 sticker, what idiot thought that up?)
http://store.barackobama.com/Stickers_s/500.htm

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] lamp out

2008-11-21 Thread Allan Streib
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 ...Even if the lights are all working, I belive the warning lamp can
 illuminate if you have different wattages in the various
 lamps. Everything has to be in balance to extinguish the dash
 lamp
 
 I believe you are thinking about Karma or something. All the lamp out
 module is looking for is current flow in a particular circuit reduced
 below a preset level. For example, doubling amperage in the brake
 light circuit will not turn on the lamp out light. But, putting in a
 relay when installing brighter headlight bulbs will turn on the light
 because the relay draws considerably less amperage than a 55W
 headlight filament.

I thought it worked by something like a wheatstone bridge arrangement,
e.g. assuming nothing is burned out, the current flow through the lamps
on the left will balance the current flow on the right. When a
eventually burns out this will throw off the balance and trigger the
lamp out warning.  The same effect *could* be triggered by having a
higher wattage bulb in the left parking lamp than the right.

I don't know if it's as simple as left side vs. right side, or it may
not work that way at all.  I do seem to recall Marshall (I think) saying
that different wattage bulbs could trigger a false alarm, though.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D (with no lamp out indicator so I really don't have to worry
about this issue).


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Re: [MBZ] heat pumps geothermal

2008-11-21 Thread Tim C.
My wife and I looked at a GSHP pretty seriously when we moved to our new-to-us 
house.  Most manufacturers still make them, as I recall Trane bought one of the 
older suppliers so their stuff was very nice.  Most of the newer ones are sized 
for industrial but you can get GSHPs on the lower end.

In our area (Durham NC, i.e. north central NC) there were a lot of these 
installations that went in 20-30 years ago, from what I gather.  The copper 
ones (required for direct exchange systems) corroded and the iron ones 
(indirect) started to leak, so (according to my normal HVAC repair guys) 
'everyone' wound up replacing them with normal heat pumps rather than rr the 
tubes.  I'm sure that's a bit of an exaggeration on their part but we do have 
very acidic soil (high clay content) so possibly not.  They work for a very big 
company in the area and said they didn't know of any residence with a current 
GSHP installation.

When I called around for quotes two years ago there was only one guy willing to 
even price an installation, and he was pushing hard to get me to stick with one 
of the high-efficiency above-ground units.  He himself had been using a 
pump-and-dump GSHP (the most efficient install, basically you tap a spring, add 
heat, and send it on its way) until the first big drought a few years back, and 
said that his new installation of air-source was as efficient.  Since then I 
know a new company has opened in Raleigh that does exclusively direct exchange 
(DX) but we didn't want to go there, I'm an indirect kind of guy.  If anyone is 
interested I can probably dig up their contact information.  They had training 
programs and whatnot so you could satisfy your inner nerd about the technology, 
but I am unconvinced that running Freon through the ground is a good idea.  
YMMV.

What I did learn from all that is that if you go with a GSHP install, call the 
local HVAC companies and talk to their old techs to get the real ground 
temperature.  I read/heard high 60s for the area, the HVAC guys said they've 
seen 72.  Couple that with many complaints of an undersized heat-dump volume 
(i.e. not working on hot days over time) and I believe the HVAC guys were 
probably right.  It's a lot easier to bid low on an undersized system with a 
GSHP, too, since well size is proportional to temperature difference.

Between that and the major pain it is to drill a well in the city we decided to 
go non-GSHP; at the moment we've just got a central AC and mobile heaters, 
which suits our use of the house quite nicely.  When the kids are bigger (i.e. 
not in the living room all afternoon) we'll go central air-source HP, probably.

Good luck. :)

-Tim

www.waterfurnance.com is what I 
have, don't know about any others.  Try a 
google search.

Harry


 Which brand is  the effective  ground source heat pump to buy.?
 value for money.
 mak 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

2008-11-21 Thread Bill R
Reminds me of a few conversations I have recently with folks who insist Bush
has had no real part in the financial problems of our country.  It was all
Clinton's fault, and by the way, going into Serbia/Croatia/etc. was
equivalent to Iraq.  Clinton was the warmonger also.  Is this what the
right-wing radio folks are putting out these days?  Should we move this to
banned?
BillR

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

The sad part for us is that no one will blame him for anything, it will all 
be Bush's fault for four years, even when he can't keep all those promises. 
No pressure, no worry.

Harry

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News


 Well the reason for this is a first-order consequence of electing a rookie

 who has absolutely no experience related to the job he wants, no deep ties

 to the establishment, no relationships built up over the years.  So he 
 looks around, sees who might actually know something about how stuff 
 works, finds a bunch of retreads who have been hanging around for a few 
 years Hoping for Change, and he grabs them up.  Pretty soon they start 
 telling him this and that, what does he know, so that is what he does.  I 
 suppose they'll help him keep his head above water for a coupla years 
 until he figures stuff out on his own, if he is not too insulated from it 
 all by this crowd or they don't get him in too deep.  He'll be struggling 
 with them as well as whatever issues arise, kinda hard on a guy trying to 
 make Change.  Bush did it too, got people from his daddy's admin, after a 
 few years I think he sorted through some of them but they swayed him a 
 lot.

 [Note:  None of this expresses any subjective political partisanship, just

 reality]

 --R

 Allan Streib wrote:
 Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


 I know people have differing political viewpoints, that is all well and 
 good, but I don't see how anyone could think this woman should be 
 anywhere near anything important to peoples' lives given her past 
 performance (which is likely indicative of future performance).

 The whole administration is shaping up to be a bunch of Clinton-era
 retreads.  Was this the change we expected?  If they wanted this, why
 did the Democrats reject Hillary in their primaries?

 Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News

2008-11-21 Thread Allan Streib
Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Reminds me of a few conversations I have recently with folks who
 insist Bush has had no real part in the financial problems of our
 country.  It was all Clinton's fault, and by the way, going into
 Serbia/Croatia/etc. was equivalent to Iraq.  Clinton was the warmonger
 also.  Is this what the right-wing radio folks are putting out these
 days?

Do you listen to right wing radio?

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

2008-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas

A new SWMBA.

--R

Redghost wrote:
Check engine light came on in the van.  Took it to the car doctor.  
Popped two codes related to the O2 sensors.  SWMBA decided that cost 
to repair is reason to look for a new car.


Not going to get my w113.  Not sure what she has in mind.  People 
hauler/truck substitute or replacement for the E300D.  Anybody have 
ideas for consideration?







--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] fixing cars in the snow.

2008-11-21 Thread E M
I bought a multi pack, I'm all set. lol

Ed
300E

2008/11/21 Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 How 'bout rear window brake light

 Good luck changing that one!  Have a tube of Shoe Goo handy to fix the
 tabs you break on the housing...

 Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: He has this problem where he wants a nice MB, once comes along 
that fits the bill, then instead he buys a crap box, then gets bored, sells it, 
and the cycle starts all over.  Think we have several like that round here.

I admit it. It's a sickness.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Mitch wrote: Wow. Does that mean Missouri doesn't report that stuff, or does 
it mean a private owner ordered the police package?

It means that MO doesn't report it.  If somebody tries to tell you a P71 has 
never been used by any sort of police (even city administrator/fire, etc.) run 
away, they are lying. While it is possible for a private individual to buy a 
P71, it is VERY unlikely.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Allan wrote: Does it have the hard plastic puke-proof rear seat?

No, it has cloth seats (all around) and carpet.

Here are a bunch of pictures of the car:

http://my.autorevo.com/Revo/Templates/P01.aspx?iid=491670


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Re: [MBZ] 97 E320

2008-11-21 Thread Loren Faeth

Randy,

Most of the older cars  with pushbutton CC have one bulb and a 
spaghetti string of fiber optic to direct light to various 
places.  Get the bulb(s) from Rusty or a dealer.  IME, FLAPS don't 
have the right bulb.  The ones they claim work, are too fat, and 
won't slide in the holder.


Remember, to most of us, 1990 is a NEW car.  I do have a 1994 E320, 
but never been into the console.


On 124, or at least older 124s,  you start at the tray between the seats.
Lift the front of the carpet tray liner, to expose a screw.
Take out the screw
***BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE WOOD PANELS.  THE PLASTIC CLIPS ARE ONLY 
HELD TO THE WOOD WITH SHORT STAPLES, AND THESE PULL OUT VERY EASILY.***
carefully pull the shift area wood panel up and back.  You have to 
get the electric switches unplugged or to snap out of the wood panel

Next you can remove the ash tray
then you can remove the cc panel
Once you have the cc panel free, you can find the bulb(s)
WHile you are in there, there is supposed to be a light for the gear 
shift indicator.  You might want to replace that bulb too.


HTH  Don't know if your suspect car has the same setup though.

If you pull a clip off the wood, I have been able to carefully push 
the staple back inside the plastic, then carefully position the clip 
on the wood and tap the staple back into position.




At 11:10 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote:
Cannot recall. Did anyone have an answer to my earlier question 
about the climate control panel failing to light up
in a 97 E320? Are there bulbs of some sort inside that part of the 
panel and how does one get to them??


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Phillip wrote: So if the higher ratio (3.55) means that the engine is in it's 
sweet spot at your highway speed, you quite possibly will get faster 
acceleration and better economy at the same time. Or not.

Well that sums it up.  Actually, it doesn't matter. If I buy the car, it won't 
make much difference.  It does have the 3.55, and I have found out that Ford 
put those in for faster initial acceleration. The top end speed ends up being 
irrelevant, because Ford puts a limiter on them at 129 mph.  Ford determined 
that the mixed matrix driveshaft (I have no idea what that means) is tougher 
than the standard aluminum, but still decided that 130 was the limit that the 
driveshaft could take. I don't know whether the car is capable (without the top 
speed artificially controlled), but since they overengineer these cars, I will 
take their word for it.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Hendrik wrote: Apparently, for reasons unknown to me, the missus is after some 
Obama stickers, presumably to put on the cars or on the fridge but what the 
missus wants the missus gets. So I was wondering if anyone has any left over 
from the election they could post out to me in Oztralia.

How about a nice McCain sticker?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas
You gotta stick about 6 more antennas on it, no one will screw with 
you.  You'll be Five-O, The Man, Officer Friendly, a Pig, Donut Boy, a PoPo.


--R

Donald Snook wrote:

Allan wrote: Does it have the hard plastic puke-proof rear seat?

No, it has cloth seats (all around) and carpet.

Here are a bunch of pictures of the car:

http://my.autorevo.com/Revo/Templates/P01.aspx?iid=491670


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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
My 1969-manufactured 280SE 3.5 with a 4 speed automatic starts in 1st gear
and is VERY quick off the line.  OTOH, it approaches 4000 rpm at 65 mph, so
there is a tradeoff.  My 1983 300TD turbodiesel hits 3000 rpm at the same
speed.


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Donald Snook wrote:
  
   There are two rear end choices 3.55 or 3.27.

 Differential ratios are an expression of driveshaft rotations
 per axle rotation.

   I am assuming that in order to gain power (acceleration AND
   top speed) that you consequently lose fuel mileage.  Is that
   correct? (I hope so, or I REALLY don't understand rear end
   ratios).
  
   So, which one of these, 3.55 or 3.27 offers more power and
   which one offers better fuel economy?


  Rolf wrote:
 
  You can't have both. You get top end or you get acceleration.
 
  3.55 will be increased accel, 3.27 increased top end.

 Well, not quite. If you rephrase that as potential top end
 speed I can agree.

 Top end can be tricky because of the inconsistencies of the
 torque curve. It is quite possible that the 3.55 will have a
 faster top speed.

 What is certain is that at a given road speed, the engine will
 be turning faster with 3.55 than with 3.27.

 Fuel economy will usually improve with a lower ratio (3.27) -
 but not always, especially with a turbo diesel. There is a big
 increase in efficiency as the turbo spools up. So if the higher
 ratio (3.55) means that the engine is in it's sweet spot at your
 highway speed, you quite possibly will get faster acceleration
 and better economy at the same time.

 Or not.

 -- Philip


 -- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question SOLVED

2008-11-21 Thread Loren Faeth
Got the Mass Air Sensor (MAS) on Tuesday.  Swapped it out in the 
parking lot while Daughter was working.  Last night she said the car 
seems to be fine now.  No more searching and stalling.


As for the electrical problem:  The turn signals/flasher and wiper 
are intermittent together, but are on different circuits.  That is 
why I don't believe it is a fuse issue.  It could be a ground issue 
under the dash, or somewhere else, or it might be a problem within 
the turn signal/multiswitch stalk.  I plan to do some testing on Sat.


Long ago I had weird problems relating the turnsignals and 
headlights, but I don't remember the symptoms now.  I do remember I 
bought a used turnsignal/multi switch and that solved the problem.




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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas
How difficult would it be to put in some kind of overdrive unit?  I 
recall a friend back when had an XJ-6, maybe a 77-78 or so, that had an 
electric overdrive unit, I think on the rear diff, or just before it as 
a separate box, and a switch on the shifter to engage it.  You could 
really feel it when it engaged, RPMs dropped about 20-30% it seemed.  
Not that anyone cared much about gas prices then (though it was in the 
Jimmuh Cahtah good times), it improved mileage quite a bit too.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

My 1969-manufactured 280SE 3.5 with a 4 speed automatic starts in 1st gear
and is VERY quick off the line.  OTOH, it approaches 4000 rpm at 65 mph, so
there is a tradeoff.  My 1983 300TD turbodiesel hits 3000 rpm at the same
speed.


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Donald Snook wrote:

There are two rear end choices 3.55 or 3.27.


Differential ratios are an expression of driveshaft rotations
per axle rotation.



I am assuming that in order to gain power (acceleration AND
top speed) that you consequently lose fuel mileage.  Is that
correct? (I hope so, or I REALLY don't understand rear end
ratios).

So, which one of these, 3.55 or 3.27 offers more power and
which one offers better fuel economy?



Rolf wrote:

You can't have both. You get top end or you get acceleration.

3.55 will be increased accel, 3.27 increased top end.
  

Well, not quite. If you rephrase that as potential top end
speed I can agree.

Top end can be tricky because of the inconsistencies of the
torque curve. It is quite possible that the 3.55 will have a
faster top speed.

What is certain is that at a given road speed, the engine will
be turning faster with 3.55 than with 3.27.

Fuel economy will usually improve with a lower ratio (3.27) -
but not always, especially with a turbo diesel. There is a big
increase in efficiency as the turbo spools up. So if the higher
ratio (3.55) means that the engine is in it's sweet spot at your
highway speed, you quite possibly will get faster acceleration
and better economy at the same time.

Or not.

-- Philip


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Re: [MBZ] OT: PCLinuxOS2007

2008-11-21 Thread Mathieu J . Cama

On Nov 20, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

mine is a swell old us robotics 33.6 that cama gave me a decade or so 
ago,
probably when i complained about what crap winmodems are.  i switched 
over

to that us robotics and never a connection problem again.



courier v.everything. now that was a modem!

-m


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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
Hendrik,

I have an Obama T SHIRT - new - that I will probably never wear.  Send me
your address offlist and it's yours.  I might even waive the postage if I am
feeling mellow.

P.S.  We had a great time spending 2 weeks down under (Sydney, Cairns,
Melbourne) last September...

Andrew

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hendrik wrote: Apparently, for reasons unknown to me, the missus is after
 some Obama stickers, presumably to put on the cars or on the fridge but what
 the missus wants the missus gets. So I was wondering if anyone has any left
 over from the election they could post out to me in Oztralia.

 How about a nice McCain sticker?

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Donald Snook wrote:
Ford determined that the mixed matrix driveshaft (I have no idea what that means) 



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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas

I have a better idea -- let's just send him Obama, the whole deal!

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Hendrik,

I have an Obama T SHIRT - new - that I will probably never wear.  Send me
your address offlist and it's yours.  I might even waive the postage if I am
feeling mellow.

P.S.  We had a great time spending 2 weeks down under (Sydney, Cairns,
Melbourne) last September...

Andrew

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Hendrik wrote: Apparently, for reasons unknown to me, the missus is after
some Obama stickers, presumably to put on the cars or on the fridge but what
the missus wants the missus gets. So I was wondering if anyone has any left
over from the election they could post out to me in Oztralia.

How about a nice McCain sticker?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
So why not a 300SD or SDL?  It meets all your criteria yet is more classy
and durable.

Donald wrote: 1.  They get pretty decent mileage 23-25 on the highway.


 1.  They are great highway cruisers.


 1.  I can pick up three friends and throw all of our golf clubs in the
trunk.


 1.  It is CHEAP.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Rich Thomas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You gotta stick about 6 more antennas on it, no one will screw with you.
  You'll be Five-O, The Man, Officer Friendly, a Pig, Donut Boy, a PoPo.

 --R


 Donald Snook wrote:

 Allan wrote: Does it have the hard plastic puke-proof rear seat?

 No, it has cloth seats (all around) and carpet.

 Here are a bunch of pictures of the car:

 http://my.autorevo.com/Revo/Templates/P01.aspx?iid=491670


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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
Anyone know whether it's practicable to install an overdrive in my W111 3.5
coupe with the M116 engine?

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Rich Thomas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How difficult would it be to put in some kind of overdrive unit?  I recall
 a friend back when had an XJ-6, maybe a 77-78 or so, that had an electric
 overdrive unit, I think on the rear diff, or just before it as a separate
 box, and a switch on the shifter to engage it.  You could really feel it
 when it engaged, RPMs dropped about 20-30% it seemed.  Not that anyone cared
 much about gas prices then (though it was in the Jimmuh Cahtah good times),
 it improved mileage quite a bit too.

 --R


 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 My 1969-manufactured 280SE 3.5 with a 4 speed automatic starts in 1st gear
 and is VERY quick off the line.  OTOH, it approaches 4000 rpm at 65 mph,
 so
 there is a tradeoff.  My 1983 300TD turbodiesel hits 3000 rpm at the same
 speed.


 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Donald Snook wrote:

 There are two rear end choices 3.55 or 3.27.


 Differential ratios are an expression of driveshaft rotations
 per axle rotation.



 I am assuming that in order to gain power (acceleration AND
 top speed) that you consequently lose fuel mileage.  Is that
 correct? (I hope so, or I REALLY don't understand rear end
 ratios).

 So, which one of these, 3.55 or 3.27 offers more power and
 which one offers better fuel economy?




 Rolf wrote:

 You can't have both. You get top end or you get acceleration.

 3.55 will be increased accel, 3.27 increased top end.


 Well, not quite. If you rephrase that as potential top end
 speed I can agree.

 Top end can be tricky because of the inconsistencies of the
 torque curve. It is quite possible that the 3.55 will have a
 faster top speed.

 What is certain is that at a given road speed, the engine will
 be turning faster with 3.55 than with 3.27.

 Fuel economy will usually improve with a lower ratio (3.27) -
 but not always, especially with a turbo diesel. There is a big
 increase in efficiency as the turbo spools up. So if the higher
 ratio (3.55) means that the engine is in it's sweet spot at your
 highway speed, you quite possibly will get faster acceleration
 and better economy at the same time.

 Or not.

 -- Philip


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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread andrew strasfogel
No we can't.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Rich Thomas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a better idea -- let's just send him Obama, the whole deal!

 --R


 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Hendrik,

 I have an Obama T SHIRT - new - that I will probably never wear.  Send me
 your address offlist and it's yours.  I might even waive the postage if I
 am
 feeling mellow.

 P.S.  We had a great time spending 2 weeks down under (Sydney, Cairns,
 Melbourne) last September...

 Andrew

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Hendrik wrote: Apparently, for reasons unknown to me, the missus is
 after
 some Obama stickers, presumably to put on the cars or on the fridge but
 what
 the missus wants the missus gets. So I was wondering if anyone has any
 left
 over from the election they could post out to me in Oztralia.

 How about a nice McCain sticker?

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
You gotta stick about 6 more antennas on it, no one will screw with 
you.  You'll be Five-O, The Man, Officer Friendly, a Pig, Donut Boy, a 
PoPo.


That spotlight on the driver's side should be enough to get the guy in front of 
you out of the left lane.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas

Si se puede!

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

No we can't.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Rich Thomas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

I have a better idea -- let's just send him Obama, the whole deal!

--R


andrew strasfogel wrote:



Hendrik,

I have an Obama T SHIRT - new - that I will probably never wear.  Send me
your address offlist and it's yours.  I might even waive the postage if I
am
feeling mellow.

P.S.  We had a great time spending 2 weeks down under (Sydney, Cairns,
Melbourne) last September...

Andrew

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  

Hendrik wrote: Apparently, for reasons unknown to me, the missus is
after
some Obama stickers, presumably to put on the cars or on the fridge but
what
the missus wants the missus gets. So I was wondering if anyone has any
left
over from the election they could post out to me in Oztralia.

How about a nice McCain sticker?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Loren Faeth

I thought your mantra was yes we can.

O' bama farce one can fly to OZ.  Lets sent him there.

At 09:14 AM 11/21/2008, you wrote:

No we can't.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Rich Thomas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a better idea -- let's just send him Obama, the whole deal!

 --R


 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Hendrik,

 I have an Obama T SHIRT - new - that I will probably never wear.  Send me
 your address offlist and it's yours.  I might even waive the postage if I
 am
 feeling mellow.

 P.S.  We had a great time spending 2 weeks down under (Sydney, Cairns,
 Melbourne) last September...

 Andrew

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Hendrik wrote: Apparently, for reasons unknown to me, the missus is
 after
 some Obama stickers, presumably to put on the cars or on the fridge but
 what
 the missus wants the missus gets. So I was wondering if anyone has any
 left
 over from the election they could post out to me in Oztralia.

 How about a nice McCain sticker?

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question SOLVED

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Cathey
Long ago I had weird problems relating the turnsignals and headlights, 
but I don't remember the symptoms now.  I do remember I bought a used 
turnsignal/multi switch and that solved the problem.


You can open the switch up, at least on the newer ones,
and clean up the contacts.  The headlight part, anyway.
Careful bending of plastic ears, etc...

I did this on Jill's 560 SL.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread John Robbins

LWB250 wrote:

I will say that I consistently get around 20-21 mpg with a
mostly 70-30 city/hwy cycle, which I think is pretty good.


That is amazing for how big the car is!

John


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Re: [MBZ] 97 E320

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Cathey
Most of the older cars  with pushbutton CC have one bulb and a 
spaghetti string of fiber optic to direct light to various places.  
Get the bulb(s) from Rusty or a dealer.  IME, FLAPS don't have the 
right bulb.


The early type III's use a string of four bulbs stuck into clips
behind and above the buttons.  The newer ones (201/124) use two
bulbs that are internal to the ACC unit.  They can be replaced,
but it's harder.  Dunno about your vintage.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

2008-11-21 Thread John Robbins

Redghost wrote:

People hauler/truck substitute or replacement for the E300D.  Anybody
have ideas for consideration?


Sprinter?




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Re: [MBZ] my rare 300D 4 speed euro

2008-11-21 Thread John Robbins

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Iowa is hiring. You can't find an apartment anywhere in Jefferson right now
because folks coming here to work have sucked them up.


When you only have two dozen apartments it doesn't count ;)

John


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Rich wrote: You gotta stick about 6 more antennas on it, no one will screw 
with you.  You'll be Five-O, The Man, Officer Friendly, a Pig, Donut Boy, a 
PoPo.

I definitely will not put antennas all over it.  I don't want to be a wanna 
be cop. Just want a decent comfy, decent looking comfortable car.  If it looks 
somewhat like a cop car and people get out of my way, then that is an added 
benefit.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread LWB250
I think a lot has to do with my driving technique.  I try not to do 
jackrabbit starts and cruise on the interstate at or below below 70.  I use 
the cruise control as much as possible, too.

My wife drove our 2001 Nissan Altima from when it was new until about 60k.  She 
barely got 20 mpg in that car (4 cylinder slushbox.)  I started driving it and 
was getting in the mid to upper 20s with no other changes.

And of course, I use Mobil1 in everything, too.

Dan




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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 11:07 AM
 LWB250 wrote:
  I will say that I consistently get around 20-21 mpg
 with a
  mostly 70-30 city/hwy cycle, which I think is pretty
 good.
 
 That is amazing for how big the car is!
 
 John
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Andrew wrote: So why not a 300SD or SDL?  It meets all your criteria yet is 
more classy and durable.

I can't buy one of those for less than $2000 with 130,000 miles, and diesel is 
still more than $1 over gas, and the SDL/SD won't go 129 mph. I do really want 
an SDL one day, but I want one with no problems, excellent shape, for less than 
$2000. I don't think that car exists.  If someone has one that fits this 
description, I'll take it.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread R A Bennell
Even if one assumes a 75 mph speed limit, 129 is mort than 50 mph over the 
limit. That sort of thing often equates
to large fines, seized vehicles and taking the bus to work for a few months.

Randy

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Phillip wrote: So if the higher ratio (3.55) means that the engine is in it's 
sweet spot at your highway speed,
you quite possibly will get faster acceleration and better economy at the same 
time. Or not.

Well that sums it up.  Actually, it doesn't matter. If I buy the car, it won't 
make much difference.  It does have
the 3.55, and I have found out that Ford put those in for faster initial 
acceleration. The top end speed ends up
being irrelevant, because Ford puts a limiter on them at 129 mph.  Ford 
determined that the mixed matrix driveshaft
(I have no idea what that means) is tougher than the standard aluminum, but 
still decided that 130 was the limit
that the driveshaft could take. I don't know whether the car is capable 
(without the top speed artificially
controlled), but since they overengineer these cars, I will take their word for 
it.


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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Rolf
Yes you need a vehicle that can go at least 155 and a local airport to
avoid those types of fines.

Have you ever seen the limo get away in upstate NY? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMpHG5zvv-Q

Now that is PRICELESS.

130mph in a stocker ford is scary. I was in a Yugo that was doing 90mph
once. Death defying feat.

-Rolf

R A Bennell wrote:
 Even if one assumes a 75 mph speed limit, 129 is mort than 50 mph over the 
 limit. That sort of thing often equates
 to large fines, seized vehicles and taking the bus to work for a few months.

 Randy

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 Phillip wrote: So if the higher ratio (3.55) means that the engine is in 
 it's sweet spot at your highway speed,
 you quite possibly will get faster acceleration and better economy at the 
 same time. Or not.

 Well that sums it up.  Actually, it doesn't matter. If I buy the car, it 
 won't make much difference.  It does have
 the 3.55, and I have found out that Ford put those in for faster initial 
 acceleration. The top end speed ends up
 being irrelevant, because Ford puts a limiter on them at 129 mph.  Ford 
 determined that the mixed matrix driveshaft
 (I have no idea what that means) is tougher than the standard aluminum, but 
 still decided that 130 was the limit
 that the driveshaft could take. I don't know whether the car is capable 
 (without the top speed artificially
 controlled), but since they overengineer these cars, I will take their word 
 for it.


 Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 the SDL/SD won't go 129 mph.

Maybe not, but it will get close, and, more important, will do it all
day long without flying apart.  A 300E will do 130 easy.  An '87 300D,
with a dozen fewer HP, will do at least 120, I think (I've had mine up
to an indicated 105 and it was nowhere near redline in 4th gear).  The
SDL has the same engine, a little more weight, and a little lower rear
end ratio.

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread R A Bennell
I must be getting old. Even 75 mph is about 110 feet per second. You go a long 
way between seeing something and
reacting with the steering wheel or the brakes. There is wildlife to consider 
as well as other drivers who don't
appear to think.

Randy

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Yes you need a vehicle that can go at least 155 and a local airport to
avoid those types of fines.

Have you ever seen the limo get away in upstate NY?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMpHG5zvv-Q

Now that is PRICELESS.

130mph in a stocker ford is scary. I was in a Yugo that was doing 90mph
once. Death defying feat.

-Rolf

R A Bennell wrote:
 Even if one assumes a 75 mph speed limit, 129 is mort than 50 mph over the 
 limit. That sort of thing often
equates
 to large fines, seized vehicles and taking the bus to work for a few months.

 Randy

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 Phillip wrote: So if the higher ratio (3.55) means that the engine is in 
 it's sweet spot at your highway speed,
 you quite possibly will get faster acceleration and better economy at the 
 same time. Or not.

 Well that sums it up.  Actually, it doesn't matter. If I buy the car, it 
 won't make much difference.  It does
have
 the 3.55, and I have found out that Ford put those in for faster initial 
 acceleration. The top end speed ends up
 being irrelevant, because Ford puts a limiter on them at 129 mph.  Ford 
 determined that the mixed matrix
driveshaft
 (I have no idea what that means) is tougher than the standard aluminum, but 
 still decided that 130 was the limit
 that the driveshaft could take. I don't know whether the car is capable 
 (without the top speed artificially
 controlled), but since they overengineer these cars, I will take their word 
 for it.


 Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] Drool

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Rich Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Daughter has the bug, she sent this to me.

 --R

 http://www.ridelust.com/the-top-20-sports-cars-of-all-time/


Lame, only half a dozen are more than 10 years old, and they're
totally obvious choices.  (Cobra 427?)  Obviously written by some
twentysomething kid with a PS3 controller permantly grafted to his
hairy palms.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Harbor Freight inverter/battery charger

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I saw this in the local HF store and thought it looked like a pretty
 fun toy.  I've seen these combination inverter/chargers designed to
 run your whole house, marketed to the off-the-grid folks for major
 bucks, but never one this small or cheap.  On the side you can't see
 in the picture, it has both a 120 VAC input and screw terminals for a
 12V battery.

 If it's 12V, it's not a serious whole-house thing.  A car-battery
 sized AGM (or whatever) is only good for maybe 1kW of output power.
 All the bigger systems I know of are 24V or 48V.  Mine are all 48V.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking of running the whole house on it---more like
about 300W or so ( a low power micro-ATX PC, other misc electronics,
some fluorescent lights).  The batteries would go in the shop in an
airtight enclosure along an outside wall, with a vent to the outside.

So like OK Don say, will hooking up the solar charge controller
directly to the battery along with the charge/discharge terminals from
the charger/inverter cause havoc?  I know there are big, expensive
multiple-source charge controllers for whole-house systems, but the
idea here is for a cheap hack...

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Fmiser
 R wrote:

 I must be getting old. Even 75 mph is about 110 feet per
 second. You go a long way between seeing something and
 reacting with the steering wheel or the brakes. There is
 wildlife to consider as well as other drivers who don't appear
 to think.

No other drivers or wildlife in western Kansas

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Rolf

When I get my 5 speed in I want to take it out to Road Atlanta and see
if I can hit 120mph :). Been thinking about a 2.47 rear end.

-Rolf

Fmiser wrote:
 R wrote:

 I must be getting old. Even 75 mph is about 110 feet per
 second. You go a long way between seeing something and
 reacting with the steering wheel or the brakes. There is
 wildlife to consider as well as other drivers who don't appear
 to think.
 

 No other drivers or wildlife in western Kansas

 -- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread R A Bennell
Not so lucky where I travel most. The deer are thick. So are the transport 
trucks.

Randy

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 R wrote:

 I must be getting old. Even 75 mph is about 110 feet per
 second. You go a long way between seeing something and
 reacting with the steering wheel or the brakes. There is
 wildlife to consider as well as other drivers who don't appear
 to think.

No other drivers or wildlife in western Kansas

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread ernest breakfield
or you'll be what is called a Village People; one of those who dresses 
up like a cop.   ;-)


   more to the point, i can't imagine paying multiple kilobucks for an 
Amerikun car with over 100k miles that had been driven by people who 
didn't own it, or having any expectations for it being cost-effective 
and/or reliable.



cheers!
e


Rich Thomas wrote:
You gotta stick about 6 more antennas on it, no one will screw with 
you.  You'll be Five-O, The Man, Officer Friendly, a Pig, Donut Boy, a 
PoPo.


--R

Donald Snook wrote:

Allan wrote: Does it have the hard plastic puke-proof rear seat?

No, it has cloth seats (all around) and carpet.

Here are a bunch of pictures of the car:

http://my.autorevo.com/Revo/Templates/P01.aspx?iid=491670


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Re: [MBZ] lamps

2008-11-21 Thread RELNGSON
 ...I don't know if it's as simple as left side vs. right side, or it may 
 not work that way at all.  I do seem to recall Marshall (I think) saying that 
 different wattage bulbs could trigger a false alarm, though
 
Perhaps if you substituted a 3CP bulb where a 21CP bulb was, but you cannot 
because the sockets are different sizes. Just forget that theory.

Have you established just which circuits are monitored?

RLE


 
 




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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley

ernest breakfield wrote:
or you'll be what is called a Village People; one of those who dresses 
up like a cop.   ;-)


You can get in trouble doing that, as one of Bimby's neighbors found out 
recently:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/18009785/detail.html


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread R A Bennell
Seems to be OK with trucks. I have owned Chevy pickups and suburbans and Ford 
pickups with lots of miles and had
minimal troubles. Big US iron tends to be tough and parts remain relatively 
cheap. Police cars may be driven
relatively hard by people who don't own them but they are serviced regularly 
and that is worth something too.

Randy

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or you'll be what is called a Village People; one of those who dresses
up like a cop.   ;-)

more to the point, i can't imagine paying multiple kilobucks for an
Amerikun car with over 100k miles that had been driven by people who
didn't own it, or having any expectations for it being cost-effective
and/or reliable.


cheers!
e




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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 serviced regularly and that is worth something too.

Even if with recycled oil and Fram filters?

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley

R A Bennell wrote:

 Police cars may be driven relatively hard by people who don't own them

 but they are serviced regularly and that is worth something too.

I wonder what difference idle time makes?
Let's say that MSP put 50,000 miles on a car in two years and 10,000 hours of 
running time. What, besides the fuel injection system, alternator and A/C 
compressor, would have inordinate wear after 8,000+ hours of idling?


Mitch.



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[MBZ] village people (was: Re: Ebay auto-check)

2008-11-21 Thread ernest breakfield
reading that, it's clear that guy had gone far beyond just driving a car 
to look like a cop, but was an idiot. who else presents fake LEO ID to 
an LEO?!



cheers!
e


Mitch Haley wrote:

ernest breakfield wrote:
or you'll be what is called a Village People; one of those who 
dresses up like a cop.   ;-)


You can get in trouble doing that, as one of Bimby's neighbors found 
out recently:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/18009785/detail.html




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[MBZ] village people (was: Re: Ebay auto-check)

2008-11-21 Thread ernest breakfield
reading that, it's clear that guy had gone far beyond just driving a car 
to look like a cop, but was an idiot. who else presents fake LEO ID to 
an LEO?!



cheers!
e


Mitch Haley wrote:

ernest breakfield wrote:
or you'll be what is called a Village People; one of those who 
dresses up like a cop.   ;-)


You can get in trouble doing that, as one of Bimby's neighbors found 
out recently:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/18009785/detail.html




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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

we have quite a few sick folks on this list

Donald Snook wrote:

Kaleb wrote: He has this problem where he wants a nice MB, once comes along that 
fits the bill, then instead he buys a crap box, then gets bored, sells it, and the cycle 
starts all over.  Think we have several like that round here.

I admit it. It's a sickness.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] lamps

2008-11-21 Thread E M
I'll have to start pulling bulbs and comparing sides, as I've double checked
that all lights are working, including side markers, two for the plate,
high/low beams, turn signals, parking lights, driving lights.

Just a thought now, are the lights in the bottom of the doors included in
the circuit with the dash warning light.  I didn't check those as I seldom
open doors, other than the drivers.  Ok, I'm off to check those too.

Ed
300E

2008/11/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  ...I don't know if it's as simple as left side vs. right side, or it may
  not work that way at all.  I do seem to recall Marshall (I think) saying
 that
  different wattage bulbs could trigger a false alarm, though
 
 Perhaps if you substituted a 3CP bulb where a 21CP bulb was, but you cannot
 because the sockets are different sizes. Just forget that theory.

 Have you established just which circuits are monitored?

 RLE


 
 




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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay
No thanks Don. Although a 'Hottest Hockey Mum' sticker would be nice or 
a 'Mums for more guns' sticker.


Hendrik

Donald Snook wrote:

Hendrik wrote: Apparently, for reasons unknown to me, the missus is after some 
Obama stickers, presumably to put on the cars or on the fridge but what the missus wants 
the missus gets. So I was wondering if anyone has any left over from the election they 
could post out to me in Oztralia.

How about a nice McCain sticker?

Donald H. Snook

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay

We have our own Messiah, called Kevin 747.
However the good news for you gun owning folk is that if Obama is 
anything like our new leader, he'll just talk a lot about doing things 
but won't actually do anything.


Hendrik

Rich Thomas wrote:

I have a better idea -- let's just send him Obama, the whole deal!

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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread TE
Sure, ship USPS and never get your package. UPS is the way to go.

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Mitch,
  Not that I support buying Obama stickers  but if you don't select ups when
checking out you can get usps standard for $2.95 or priority for $5.80.
Still making a profit on the shipping.
  I will see if my friend Brian has any laying around we could send out to
OZ.

Mike
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Hendrik  Fay wrote:
 with no political stickers on the vehicles..yet

When you get them, consider sticking them to thin sheet magnet stock.
For indoor use, you could probably print your own from a picture downloaded
off
the internet. This one's probably too small and pixelated:
http://s.fatwallet.com/static//i/forums/customavatars/17583.jpg

You can find some pics here, or even order stickers and yard signs (Oops, I
just 
tried out their shopping cart, it was only set up to calculate freight to
USA 
and possessions, but the worst part is that when I put in my zip code, the
only 
option was UPS ground, $8 to ship a $1 sticker, what idiot thought that up?)
http://store.barackobama.com/Stickers_s/500.htm

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay
I don't know if this true or not but apparently GWB calls air force one, 
air horse one.


Hendrik

Loren Faeth wrote:

I thought your mantra was yes we can.

O' bama farce one can fly to OZ.  Lets sent him there.





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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay

I like that little spotlight, just the thing to go Roo shooting with.

Hendrik

John Robbins wrote:

LWB250 wrote:

I will say that I consistently get around 20-21 mpg with a
mostly 70-30 city/hwy cycle, which I think is pretty good.


That is amazing for how big the car is!

John
 




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Re: [MBZ] lamps

2008-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay

It should say in your owners manual which lights are monitored.

Hendrik
who is still in need of an owners manual for the TE

E M wrote:

I'll have to start pulling bulbs and comparing sides, as I've double checked
that all lights are working, including side markers, two for the plate,
high/low beams, turn signals, parking lights, driving lights.

Just a thought now, are the lights in the bottom of the doors included in
the circuit with the dash warning light.  I didn't check those as I seldom
open doors, other than the drivers.  Ok, I'm off to check those too.

Ed
300E

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
I don't know if this true or not but apparently GWB calls air force one, 
air horse one.


Horse? I thought his drug of choice was cocaine, not heroin.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread OK Don
True, very true!

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 we have quite a few sick folks on this list

 Donald Snook wrote:

 Kaleb wrote: He has this problem where he wants a nice MB, once comes
 along that fits the bill, then instead he buys a crap box, then gets bored,
 sells it, and the cycle starts all over.  Think we have several like that
 round here.

 I admit it. It's a sickness.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Loren Faeth
Actually, I think in place of wishing the 'Bama on OZ, we should send 
him a one way life-time trip to Pitcairn's Island.  He could change 
'is last name to Christian to fit in.


At 04:16 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote:

Hendrik

Loren Faeth wrote:

I thought your mantra was yes we can.

O' bama farce one can fly to OZ.  Lets sent him there.



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[MBZ] OT, vista again

2008-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has 
multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features 
it has etc.

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Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again

2008-11-21 Thread Gary Hurst
haven't we already concluded that all anyone knows about vista is that it is
bad for you and you should give it up?

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has
 multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it
 has etc.
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  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again

2008-11-21 Thread Loren Faeth
The Volume License version, and a volume license key allow you to use 
the install disk on multiple computers and frees you from the 5 
hardware changes and you are out that is so loved.  You can get the 
VLK by following the instructions on how to get your keys  for your 
subscription.  You have to use VLK for VL versions and vice 
versa.  Mixed versions don't work.


If your Sub. allows you to get a VL version and a VLK, the best thing 
is to always use them and lock up or hide all the non-VLK disks and 
keys.  YOu then can use one disk and one key for all your client machines.


Have fun but if you install the vista crap, remember you can set 
it up to look like W2K and it will hum along Way faster!



At 04:45 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote:
Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it 
has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what 
features it has etc.

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 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] lamps

2008-11-21 Thread Wilton Strickland
How 'bout the light inside the trunk?  I don't know - just wondering if it's
on the monitor circuit.

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] lamps


 I'll have to start pulling bulbs and comparing sides, as I've double
checked
 that all lights are working, including side markers, two for the plate,
 high/low beams, turn signals, parking lights, driving lights.

 Just a thought now, are the lights in the bottom of the doors included in
 the circuit with the dash warning light.  I didn't check those as I seldom
 open doors, other than the drivers.  Ok, I'm off to check those too.

 Ed
 300E

 2008/11/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   ...I don't know if it's as simple as left side vs. right side, or it
may
   not work that way at all.  I do seem to recall Marshall (I think)
saying
  that
   different wattage bulbs could trigger a false alarm, though
  
  Perhaps if you substituted a 3CP bulb where a 21CP bulb was, but you
cannot
  because the sockets are different sizes. Just forget that theory.
 
  Have you established just which circuits are monitored?
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again

2008-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well I have the home version on this computer now, but I really want the 
features of ultimate or perhaps this enterprise.  Apparantly my 
subcrption does not allow me to download the VL versions of ultimate 
etc, but I can download the enterprise version, and its key says its MAK 
(multiple activation) So, might try that.  I already downloaded the 
ultimate (over 3 gig download).


Loren Faeth wrote:
The Volume License version, and a volume license key allow you to use 
the install disk on multiple computers and frees you from the 5 
hardware changes and you are out that is so loved.  You can get the VLK 
by following the instructions on how to get your keys  for your 
subscription.  You have to use VLK for VL versions and vice versa.  
Mixed versions don't work.


If your Sub. allows you to get a VL version and a VLK, the best thing is 
to always use them and lock up or hide all the non-VLK disks and keys.  
YOu then can use one disk and one key for all your client machines.


Have fun but if you install the vista crap, remember you can set it 
up to look like W2K and it will hum along Way faster!



At 04:45 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote:
Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has 
multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what 
features it has etc.

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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] lamps

2008-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay
No don't think so, the system is designed to monitor lights which can't 
be seen by the driver and are required to be working. It's the law in 
Germany (and other EU countries) that you have to carry spare bulbs so 
if the cops pull you over for a broken light you can fix it there and 
then. None of this get it fixed first chance you get.


Hendrik

Wilton Strickland wrote:

How 'bout the light inside the trunk?  I don't know - just wondering if it's
on the monitor circuit.

Wilton
  


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Fmiser
 Hendrik wrote:

 I like that little spotlight, just the thing to go Roo
 shooting with.

For those who don't know, 'roos  (kangaroo) to Australia are
like deer to North America.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] lamps

2008-11-21 Thread E M
I always have tools and spare bulbs with me.  I'd be happy to pay a cop to
point out just where this mystery blown bulb is. lol

Ed
300E

2008/11/21 Hendrik  Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 No don't think so, the system is designed to monitor lights which can't be
 seen by the driver and are required to be working. It's the law in Germany
 (and other EU countries) that you have to carry spare bulbs so if the cops
 pull you over for a broken light you can fix it there and then. None of this
 get it fixed first chance you get.

 Hendrik

 Wilton Strickland wrote:

 How 'bout the light inside the trunk?  I don't know - just wondering if
 it's
 on the monitor circuit.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Fmiser
 Loren wrote:
 
 Actually, I think in place of wishing the 'Bama on OZ, we
 should send him a one way life-time trip to Pitcairn's
 Island.  He could change 'is last name to Christian to fit in.

Nice!

An obscure reference to the infamous mutiny in the Pacific on
the ship Bounty.

I like the reference regardless of my opinion of the guy.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Phillip wrote: No other drivers or wildlife in western Kansas

Right now there are deer ALL OVER out there. The hunters are driving them out. 
I had to drive to Springfield, Missouri this week (I know that is east of 
wichita, but it still applies)and the deer were everywhere.  One big buck shot 
out into the road pretty far ahead of us and just stood there. I didn't want to 
mess with him.  A panic stop in a Big ole Ford Expedition is quite an 
experience.  The buck just looked at us and walked slowly across the road.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
 Ernest wrote:  more to the point, i can't imagine paying multiple kilobucks 
for an Amerikun car with over 100k miles that had been driven by people who 
didn't own it, or having any expectations for it being cost-effective and/or 
reliable.

Actually, they are made in Canada. So, be careful our Canadian listers might be 
upset with you for besmirching their handiwork.


Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Speeding was Re: rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Randy wrote: Even if one assumes a 75 mph speed limit, 129 is mort than 50 mph 
over the limit. That sort of thing often equates to large fines, seized 
vehicles and taking the bus to work for a few months.

I agree and I don't think I will ever drive 120 mph (at least not again).  I 
did test out the fuel cut-off switch on my Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera.  At 110 
the fuel cuts off and the car starts bucking and jerking until you get below 
110.  But, I had a good excuse.  I was going from Topeka, Kansas to Lawrence, 
Kansas on the turnpike.  I was running late for the Washburn Law Golf 
tournament.  I couldn't be late.  I knew all the Troopers on that section of 
the turnpike.  But, I don't think I will be going that fast anytime soon.

When I am out in Western Kansas and the roads are wide open and flat I will 
routinely drive 95-100 - at least in my old 300SEL.  Once that big car got 
going, it would really fly.  I haven't tried it in the Volvo. I wonder how many 
RPM's that little four cylinder would be turning at that speed.

I once got pulled over going 100 in Arkansas.  My grandfather had died. I was 
racing down to the Mississippi gulf coast to meet my father.  I had my ticket 
in hand. I told the cop why I was speeding and showed him the plane ticket to 
show my urgency.  He didn't give me a ticket, but told me to slow down.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Donald Snook
Mitch wrote: I wonder what difference idle time makes? Let's say that MSP put 
50,000 miles on a car in two years and 10,000 hours of running time. What, 
besides the fuel injection system, alternator and A/C compressor, would have 
inordinate wear after 8,000+ hours of idling?

That is a concern. You are right.  Idling for thousands of hours would be hard 
on a car. BUT, thousands of these cars are sold every year to individuals, 
smaller cities counties, taxi companies, etc.  If they really were completely 
worn out, I think no one would ever buy one.

Supposedly this car was not used as a patrol car (and the rear cloth seat is 
some evidence of that) and it was taken home every night by the MOHP and then 
by a detective.  (I am not naïve enough to believe everything the seller says, 
but the condition is very good).

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 97 E320 climate control panel

2008-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay
All it says is to remove the radio and there two screw that hold the 
panel in, pull out from the bottom.


Hendrik

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
More than likely one bulb to do the whole thing but I would have to 
check on that.
Which I don't have time to do now but as a matter of curiosity I will 
when I get a chance.


Hendrik
with really old Benzes, the newest being nearly 20 years old

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Im sure there are but dont ask me how to get to them, never worked on 
one of those.


R A Bennell wrote:
Cannot recall. Did anyone have an answer to my earlier question 
about the climate control panel failing to light up
in a 97 E320? Are there bulbs of some sort inside that part of the 
panel and how does one get to them??


Randy






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Re: [MBZ] lamps

2008-11-21 Thread Wilton Strickland
What I thought.

Wilton

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From: Hendrik  Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] lamps


 No don't think so, the system is designed to monitor lights which can't
 be seen by the driver and are required to be working. It's the law in
 Germany (and other EU countries) that you have to carry spare bulbs so
 if the cops pull you over for a broken light you can fix it there and
 then. None of this get it fixed first chance you get.

 Hendrik

 Wilton Strickland wrote:
  How 'bout the light inside the trunk?  I don't know - just wondering if
it's
  on the monitor circuit.
 
  Wilton
 

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Coupla weeks ago, on 20 mile drive along I-795 between Goldsboro and
Wilson, NC, I counted 6 dead deer.

Wilton

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 Phillip wrote: No other drivers or wildlife in western Kansas

 Right now there are deer ALL OVER out there. The hunters are driving them
out. I had to drive to Springfield, Missouri this week (I know that is east
of wichita, but it still applies)and the deer were everywhere.  One big buck
shot out into the road pretty far ahead of us and just stood there. I didn't
want to mess with him.  A panic stop in a Big ole Ford Expedition is quite
an experience.  The buck just looked at us and walked slowly across the
road.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus

2008-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
No thanks Don. Although a 'Hottest Hockey Mum' sticker would be nice or 
a 'Mums for more guns' sticker.


Don't find exactly those:
http://www.stickershoppe.com/sticker-shop/stickers-magnets/sarah-palin.html


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread ernest breakfield
yes, i know where they're actually manufactured, but that seems rather 
like looking for a hair to split,...


   besides, not likely our Northern Neighbors would find much about 
those to be proud of, and would be quick to disassociate themselves of 
any responsibility by pointing out no matter where it's put together, 
it's an Amerikun car company's design.



cheers!
e


Donald Snook wrote:

 Ernest wrote:  more to the point, i can't imagine paying multiple kilobucks for an 
Amerikun car with over 100k miles that had been driven by people who didn't own it, or 
having any expectations for it being cost-effective and/or reliable.

Actually, they are made in Canada. So, be careful our Canadian listers might be 
upset with you for besmirching their handiwork.


Donald H. Snook

  

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Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

2008-11-21 Thread Redghost
Two of them and they are old and rusted into place.  Probability of  
damage is high and would require full emissions rebuild with CAT.   
Also expecting other codes to pop once that job is done.  Some timing  
and spark items.


clay



On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:18 PM, E M wrote:

Is it just the O2.  They`re cheap enough and usually easy enough to  
reach.


Ed
300E

2008/11/20 Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Check engine light came on in the van.  Took it to the car doctor.   
Popped
two codes related to the O2 sensors.  SWMBA decided that cost to  
repair is

reason to look for a new car.

Not going to get my w113.  Not sure what she has in mind.  People
hauler/truck substitute or replacement for the E300D.  Anybody have  
ideas

for consideration?






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

2008-11-21 Thread MG
Sorry but I don't think of $278 as cheap enough and that's not even 
dealer price. They want well over $300. My wife is consequently driving 
with the check engine light on due to a bad heater circuit in one of the 
O2 sensors on her Tacoma.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:18:37 -0500
From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda


Is it just the O2.  They`re cheap enough and usually easy enough to
 reach.

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread LWB250
While looking through some bid lettings on the State web site this week, I saw 
the results for a bid on dead animal removal.  A local rendering plant gets $75 
per deer that they pick up.

Yum.

Dan


--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear end questions
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 7:44 PM
 'Coupla weeks ago, on 20 mile drive along I-795 between
 Goldsboro and
 Wilson, NC, I counted 6 dead deer.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear end questions
 
 
  Phillip wrote: No other drivers or wildlife in
 western Kansas
 
  Right now there are deer ALL OVER out there. The
 hunters are driving them
 out. I had to drive to Springfield, Missouri this week (I
 know that is east
 of wichita, but it still applies)and the deer were
 everywhere.  One big buck
 shot out into the road pretty far ahead of us and just
 stood there. I didn't
 want to mess with him.  A panic stop in a Big ole Ford
 Expedition is quite
 an experience.  The buck just looked at us and walked
 slowly across the
 road.
 
 
  Donald H. Snook
 
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Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

2008-11-21 Thread Redghost
I have been lobbying for that since 2005.  She is not willing to drop  
a chunk of change on a van.  Stupid choices and she has no real plan  
for what she thinks she wants.  I want the pagoda and have laid out  
extensive plans that include nubile coeds and such


clay

On Nov 21, 2008, at 8:10 AM, John Robbins wrote:


Redghost wrote:

People hauler/truck substitute or replacement for the E300D.  Anybody
have ideas for consideration?


Sprinter?




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Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

2008-11-21 Thread Redghost
Yeah, Previa has the engine shoe horned up under the driver seat.  I  
suspect the designer for the Blower fan in the 114/115 did this also


clay

On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:13 PM, MG wrote:

Sorry but I don't think of $278 as cheap enough and that's not even  
dealer price. They want well over $300. My wife is consequently  
driving with the check engine light on due to a bad heater circuit  
in one of the O2 sensors on her Tacoma.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:18:37 -0500
From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda


Is it just the O2.  They`re cheap enough and usually easy enough to
reach.

Ed
300E

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[MBZ] W108 suspension - compensator spring kit FYI

2008-11-21 Thread David Bruckmann
Gang,

I'm curious to know whether others have noticed that a W108 with the steel 
compensator spring rides harder than a W108 with a *properly functioning* 
hydropneumatic compensator.

I removed the dead hydropneumatic compensator from my W108 a couple of months 
ago, and at the same time ripped out the crappy Midas shocks that some sadist 
installed, replacing them with new Bilsteins (thank you Rusty). I also replaced 
the axle support bushing in the trunk and the brake lines.

The process was relatively easy. The key tip is that you need to disconnect the 
brake lines and let the rear axle halves hang as low as they will go (lower 
them GENTLY or you can crack the diff casing). With the axles lowered you can 
lever the spring in place (put one of the mounting bracket bolts in place, 
place the spring, and then pivot the mounting bracket (this could require 
considerable force) into position to insert the other mounting bolt.

But I digresss.

I was expecting the rock-hard ride to convert to a lovely wafting W123-like 
experience. Not so. It is somewhat softer, but still very hard. And the car is 
also sitting a little too high. Before changing the compensator, the car was 
sitting too low.

My first suspicion was the new shocks, and they remain a possible culprit. They 
are HD, but HD is the only shock specified or available for the W108 on both 
the Bilstein and Sachs lists. Even the MB EPC has subbed in the HD shocks, so 
presumably if softer ones ever were available they are now unavailable.

My next culprit is the compensating spring. Some detective work on the EPC and 
on the Febi packaging revealed that the conversion kit includes a harder, 
thicker spring 110 329 05 01 originally intended for vehicles with increased 
ground clearance. There is a softer spring available from MB.

So this morning I went to my friendly (no, really!) local MB dealer and ordered 
the softer commpensating spring 110 329 04 01.

Anyway, I will try installing the new spring and will let you all know how it 
turns out. At the very least it should bring the car down a couple of 
centimetres. For $90 it's worth a try.

I've never quite understood why MB chose this particular design; the axle is 
sprung at the wheels anyway, and the trunk mount keeps the diff secured, so I 
don't quite understand the point of the extra spring.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

2008-11-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Probably a $70 Bosch sensor with a $200 Toyota plug.  Check it out, you can 
probably replace it yourself if you are willing to splice the old plug on a new 
sensor.

Mike
-Original Message-
Date: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:13:30 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
From: MG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda

Sorry but I don't think of $278 as cheap enough and that's not even 
dealer price. They want well over $300. My wife is consequently driving 
with the check engine light on due to a bad heater circuit in one of the 
O2 sensors on her Tacoma.

Manfred



Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:18:37 -0500
From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda


Is it just the O2.  They`re cheap enough and usually easy enough to
  reach.

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) W108 suspension - compensator spring kit FYI

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Cathey
I've never quite understood why MB chose this particular design; the 
axle is sprung at the wheels anyway, and the trunk mount keeps the 
diff secured, so I don't quite understand the point of the extra 
spring.


To wrap some protection around the hydro-compensator?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT: Harbor Freight inverter/battery charger

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Cathey

So like OK Don say, will hooking up the solar charge controller
directly to the battery along with the charge/discharge terminals from
the charger/inverter cause havoc?  I know there are big, expensive
multiple-source charge controllers for whole-house systems, but the
idea here is for a cheap hack...


In theory they shouldn't fight too much, because one or the
other will win and make the other one think the battery is
all charged up.  But what would be the point?  Just getting
battery charging when the power goes out?  Check the no-load
draw on the inverter, one of my FerrUPS draw 4A, the other 10A!
(At 48 volts.)  Got enough solar to compensate and still have
some for charging?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Cathey
I can't buy one of those [SD/SDL] for less than $2000 with 130,000 
miles, and diesel is still more than $1 over gas, and the SDL/SD won't 
go 129 mph.


No, the SDL will only do 124 MPH.  BTDT.  Feels pretty good up
there, though.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

2008-11-21 Thread Bill R
First, let me say we have some weird things in our home.   The kitchen drain
is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank.  The
trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn
expanding to a 2.5 or 3 copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a 90
down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that]  then
it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either
under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The
kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will go
as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing.  Next is the expanding
ball that I use to blow out clogs.  That will run for as long as I want, but
that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak.  The
sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains
down slowly.   Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to kill
what sounded like roots clogging the line.  Now the problem:  The first
warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to use
it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain.  I can protect the
sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there
any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal pipes
under the sink?  Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not
my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe
that runs behind my tiled in  kitchen cabinets.

Ideas appreciated - TIA

BillR

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[MBZ] OT: plumbing / chemical help needed

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Cathey

The kitchen drain is at the start of what might well be
its own line to the septic tank.


As it may be.  My parents' house (1954) has a separate
line for the kitchen sink, it goes through a grease trap.
(Small settling tank.)  It needed digging out several times
over my childhood.  Stinky, to the Nth degree.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed

2008-11-21 Thread Allan Streib
Cut the pipe after the bend and install a cleanout wye, snake it from
there.  Or replace the 90 down bend with a tee and fit a cleanout plug
on the top of the tee.

   vcleanout plug
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Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 First, let me say we have some weird things in our home.   The kitchen drain
 is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank.  The
 trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn
 expanding to a 2.5 or 3 copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a 90
 down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that]  then
 it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either
 under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The
 kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will go
 as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing.  Next is the expanding
 ball that I use to blow out clogs.  That will run for as long as I want, but
 that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak.  The
 sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains
 down slowly.   Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to kill
 what sounded like roots clogging the line.  Now the problem:  The first
 warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to use
 it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain.  I can protect the
 sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there
 any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal pipes
 under the sink?  Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not
 my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe
 that runs behind my tiled in  kitchen cabinets.

 Ideas appreciated - TIA

 BillR

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Re: [MBZ] Speeding was Re: rear end questions

2008-11-21 Thread Bill R
I have to tell one on my son here.  He has a Miata that he added a high
volume turbo to [he was a mechanic at the time] and a few other custom parts
that did tweak it up a good bit.  It would get along quite well.  Coming
back from retraining in computers out in the Midwest somewhere he was
letting it out more than a bit too much in some open area, came over the top
of a hill and there was Smokey waiting for such as he.  He had been going at
a speed that would have gotten his car confiscated and had him looking at
the wrong side of some local bars where they don't get service by cute
waitresses.  Fortunately he had slowed down a bit for the hill, but not
nearly enough.  Just as the officer was pulling out after him a muscle car
came screaming over the same hill going probably 125 MPH or more. The
officer ignored him and took off after the muscle car.  That did prove a
wakeup call and he put himself into permanent slower mode.  He had recently
made sergeant, and thinking how that would have looked on his record was
sobering.  Cutting it a bit too close, but he got lucky.
BillR 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Speeding was Re: rear end questions

Randy wrote: Even if one assumes a 75 mph speed limit, 129 is mort than 50
mph over the limit. That sort of thing often equates to large fines, seized
vehicles and taking the bus to work for a few months.

I agree and I don't think I will ever drive 120 mph (at least not again).  I
did test out the fuel cut-off switch on my Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera.  At 110
the fuel cuts off and the car starts bucking and jerking until you get below
110.  But, I had a good excuse.  I was going from Topeka, Kansas to
Lawrence, Kansas on the turnpike.  I was running late for the Washburn Law
Golf tournament.  I couldn't be late.  I knew all the Troopers on that
section of the turnpike.  But, I don't think I will be going that fast
anytime soon.

When I am out in Western Kansas and the roads are wide open and flat I will
routinely drive 95-100 - at least in my old 300SEL.  Once that big car got
going, it would really fly.  I haven't tried it in the Volvo. I wonder how
many RPM's that little four cylinder would be turning at that speed.

I once got pulled over going 100 in Arkansas.  My grandfather had died. I
was racing down to the Mississippi gulf coast to meet my father.  I had my
ticket in hand. I told the cop why I was speeding and showed him the plane
ticket to show my urgency.  He didn't give me a ticket, but told me to slow
down.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) List, not spam

2008-11-21 Thread Fmiser
Jim, I think you need to change some settings on your spam
filter. There are a _lot_ of your replies with SPAM? added to
the subject.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Ticking noise in a diesel?/roll to stop CLUNK

2008-11-21 Thread Christopher McCann
You have to put a vac gauge on the line that goes to the tranny (usually 
black). It should be high (10-14 in Hg) at idle, then drop proportionate to 
throttling when you accelerate.

Yours will not be high at idle, in my guesstimate, so you need to find the 
leak/s. In my case, there was insufficient vac on the green line to HVAC 
system...so I took off the console and there is a column of vac junctions - 
color coded and numbered and I tested them to see what was holding and what 
wasn't. TWO of the pods were leaking YET they had sufficient vac to operate. So 
just because your locks work, does not mean that they are not leaking. Holding 
for three days does not mean there are no leaks when the pods are in operation.

Chris

'85 300SD 240K mi/'82 VW Vanagon Diesel 229K mi/'75 240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 
300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E
 2.3 (parting out)



'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/Cargo Van FOR SALE: $2,500

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ticking noise in a diesel?/roll to stop CLUNK
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 1:37 PM

I have done this extensively, Chris.  I replaced the vacuum control valve, 
modulator valve, a couple hoses and connectors, and one of the cheap Teflon 
widgets on top of the valve cover.  It has improved but still clunks.  The door 
locks work pretty well for 3 days and the ACC is fine.  How did you trouble 
shoot the vacuum pods as a source of the problem?


 
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What about clunking from the the rear when downshifting as I roll to a stop?
I had this identical problem in the 85 SD. I also thought it was wear in the

 drive train, but it was not. It was low vacuum to the tranny due to
two cracked vac pods behind the glove compartment (HVAC system). Replaced the
 pods and everything was fine...and it was a really loud clunk. I would

 DEFINITELY investigate vacuum to tranny before replacing driveline
components.

Chris





'85 300SD 240K mi + '82 VW Vanagon Diesel 229K mi + '75 240D + '80 300SD + '83 
240D + '84 300Dt


-'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/Cargo Van (FOR SALE: $2,500 - NICE)

-'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)

-'87 190E 2.3 (parting out)

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Ticking noise in a diesel?
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 3:14 PM

What about clunking from the the rear when downshifting as I roll to a stop?

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 2. Humming as well.

 Jim Cathey wrote:
  Thanks.  What about my other questions?
  Also, what are the symptoms in a W123 turbodiesel of 1) a
worn
  differential and 2) worn drive shaft?

 
  1) Howling/groaning, sounds like an old bus.  2) clicking.
 
  -- Jim
 
 







  


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay auto-check

2008-11-21 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:50:53 -0600 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Supposedly this car was not used as a patrol car

That's what I was thinking.

 (I am not naïve enough to believe everything the seller says, but the
 condition is very good).

Except for the four small holes in the dash and dirt in the alternator
pulley, it looks perfect.


Craig

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