Re: [MBZ] Parts Insanity

2009-05-23 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: The OKC Stealership routinely doubles the retail price. It's routine for shops to double the parts price for parts that they order and install as part of a repair or maintenance job. I've not run into this practice if I walk up to the parts counter and order a

[MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Mitch Haley
May 19, 2009 Letter from a Dodge dealer letter to the editor My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne , Florida . My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Tom Hargrave
The answer to this letter many others like it is simple. As part of the bankruptcy, Chrysler had no choice but to trim back to only strong, profitable dealerships. The alternative to this decision is for all dealerships to shut down, then everyone looses. So, is it fair? No. But Chrysler has no

Re: [MBZ] OT - State finances

2009-05-23 Thread WILTON
Congratulations!! That's fantastic!! I wish her well. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - State finances New Haven, CT. YOungest daughter is

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote: The answer to this letter many others like it is simple. As part of the bankruptcy, Chrysler had no choice but to trim back to only strong, profitable dealerships. The alternative to this decision is for all dealerships to shut down, then everyone looses. So, is it fair?

Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

2009-05-23 Thread MG
Douglas, I forget which model car you are working on. On my 83 300D the aux fan doesn't come on till the temp gets just slightly above normal. Usually in city stop and go traffic and restarting after it was shut off for a very short time. After the temp goes back down to around 95 deg it

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Rich Thomas
Part of the rationale was that too many dealers was making buying/selling a car too competitive and the customers were getting prices that were too low. I will leave the analysis of that reasoning to the reader. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: The answer to this letter many others like it is

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Tom Hargrave
Mitch, It's obvious that you have not worked with or for a good size company that's going through a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy - I have. You provide your recovery plan to the courts and they dictate what you will do. There are some negotiations, but to complete the process you most follow all steps

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Tom Hargrave
But doesn't Mercedes do the same thing? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:04 AM To:

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Like most laws in the US, franchise laws are heavily influenced by the wealthy and well connected, and in some states (particularly the south) can gouge the franchise owner pretty badly. That said, bankruptcy isn't fun for anyone, and dealers are pretty vulnerable in this case. Unfair,

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

2009-05-23 Thread Douglas
The car is a 1980 300D with ACCII Servo Douglas - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL Douglas, I forget which model

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Bill R
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Fmiser
Mitch Haley forwarded: HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN? THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Tom Hargrave
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[MBZ] unsuscribe

2009-05-23 Thread Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread drcscruggs
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Mountain Man
Tom wrote: Actually, no - I'm actually not biased towards unions. But a contract is a contract be it between 2 businesses, 2 individuals or a business and a union. Tom - don't paint us all with the same brush. Your perspective is quite personal - you express personal loss of benefits -

Re: [MBZ] unsuscribe

2009-05-23 Thread Frederick W Moir
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread dave walton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - State finances

2009-05-23 Thread archer
That's great! My best to your daughter. Gerry - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.co Congratulations!! That's fantastic!! I wish her well. Wilton From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com New Haven, CT. YOungest daughter is getting her Master's from Yale. Yes - full

[MBZ] 78 300SD ac

2009-05-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
dads car has a locked up AC compressor. I have dealt with this before but any car I have fixed I never kept more than a year or so afterward anyway. This is a car that I am sure he will have for a while so Im wondering about replacement compressors and such. Seems I have heard the rebuilt

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I just dont have much sympathy for what concessions the union workers gave. The union should have been cut out of it completely then maybe they could be competitive like other companies. I dont think its that they dont make cars people want, its the fact of all the other obligations to the

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I think you missed the point. I think the point is that the normal laws should be followed, which is not happening in this case. Tom Hargrave wrote: Actually, no - I'm actually not biased towards unions. But a contract is a contract be it between 2 businesses, 2 individuals or a business and

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Iinstalling Unwiredtools CLIMATE CONTROL

2009-05-23 Thread MG
That's close enough to an 83 so that your aux fan may be set the same way. I know some others do come on as long as the AC is on but yours, like mine may not be like that. First check that the fan even works by using some jumper wires direct to the fan connector under the hood. Mine didn't and

Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

2009-05-23 Thread Jim Cathey
replacement compressors and such. Seems I have heard the rebuilt R4's are not very good and only get a new one. Is this true? I have also heard this. What's the difference going to be on the new ones you get at your local autozone or whatever and new ones Rusty sells. The MB usually needs

[MBZ] Tractor music

2009-05-23 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread LWB250
We don't know the contents of the dealer agreement, therefore, what is happening may be no different than any other time when they cancel a dealer. I suspect there is a termination clause in the dealer agreement that allows the supplier to terminate the dealership in a given period of time at

Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Sometimes

2009-05-23 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread LWB250
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Sometimes

2009-05-23 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

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[MBZ] OT - 'nother big wheels sighting

2009-05-23 Thread WILTON
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well, the fact is the car companies do have these contracts with the labor unions. Its crazy they would agree to some of those things but they did, so they should have to live with them. UNTIL, they file bankruptcy then they might have a way to get out from under the burden of the

[MBZ] 'Nother OT - slimed tires

2009-05-23 Thread WILTON
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
the underlying thing is all these auto workers are making WAY too much money to start with, which is why these companies cant turn a profit and the foreign ones can. I am sorry Toms wife is having to take a pay cut, but I would be willing to be she is still making pretty darn good money. It

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Tractor music

2009-05-23 Thread Mountain Man
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Sometimes

2009-05-23 Thread Mountain Man
jabba wrote: many of us have been together for over a decade now Personally, I have always thought those with such thin skins *should* leave so the rest of us can make all the remarks we want!! Later -- LarryT Okay - I'm leaving... ...for dinner make all the remarks you want mao

Re: [MBZ] Tractor music

2009-05-23 Thread Hendrik Fay
So which one of the trio (or should that be quartet) are you Roger and will you be putting out a CD? Hendrik who can't get that tune out of his mind now relng...@aol.com wrote: http://fschnell.net/WordPress/?p=1094 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

2009-05-23 Thread Loren Faeth
I have heard the mcparts R4 compressors end up being mounted upside down in an MB. I have never replaced one, yet. For a keeper, you are best off to buy one from MB sources. Rusty is one. there are others, and of course there are the stealerships. You don't want a rebuilt on a keeper, or

Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

2009-05-23 Thread Peter Frederick
you must also install a filter in the suction line to the compressor -- the old one shed an amazing amount of crud while it was dying, and it's impossible to remove all this unless you install a new, unused hose set and a new unused evaporator and condenser. Cheap @ $35 or so. Peter On

Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

2009-05-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have often heard about installing a filter in the suction line before the compressor, but not sure where to get a filter or how to install it. What do you do, just get the right size, cut the line, install the filter and use clamps or what? Can said filter be used instead of flushing, or

Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

2009-05-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Flush first. I had mine installed (crimped connections rather than barb and clamp, which also works) at CarQuest. Napa should be able to install one too. Pretty much standard procedure with modern AC compressors that get grey death from degraded teflon coatings -- the grey gunk is full

Re: [MBZ] 78 300SD ac

2009-05-23 Thread Loren Faeth
You get the filter at flaps, and yes to all the rest. YOU got it.They are often installed on the driver's side near the front of the car, so as to be close to the compressor.. If you go to a refr. supply, (grainger) you can get a filter drier to put in the line, but you will need 2 flare

Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Sometimes

2009-05-23 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Sometimes

2009-05-23 Thread Mountain Man
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Re: [MBZ] OT - State finances

2009-05-23 Thread OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Rick Knoble
the underlying thing is all these auto workers are making WAY too much money to start with, which is why these companies cant turn a profit and the foreign ones can. Actually it is the legacy costs that are hurting them. The retiree healthcare mostly. The Japanese and German car makers that

Re: [MBZ] Letter from a Dodge Dealer

2009-05-23 Thread Rick Knoble
Sorry to see Tom H leave but IMO (and that's all any of us have to offer) a company that is poorly run and cannot survive without public assistance should be allowed to die a natural death. I agree. Too bad the government doesn't. They pick and choose who lives and who dies. Look at