Re: [MBZ] Fw: Smart cars

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:16:32 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Larry Jinnette 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:59 PM
> Subject: Smart cars
> 
> 
> The small smart cars are here!

Someone here in Los Alamos has one for sale on the County's U-Sell-It used
car lot.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[LarryT]

Basically, by using the "Cash For Clunkers" deal, you are paying for your 
own "deal".  After all that $3500/$4500 comes from *some* place - and that 
*some* place is, my friend, you and me!  So if you and I are providing the 
Cash, what exactly are you getting?


I think you're actually giving them your old, paid for car.  Additionally. 
it''ll take a lng time paying for gas at 20 mpg vs gas at 30mpg to make 
those new car payments - actually, I haven't run the numbers, but I'd bet 
the payback never happens. - not in any reasonably measured time frame at 
least.  (lightyears maybe??) $500 or more in monthly payments?  no, no, no, 
no. this is a bd idea.


OK, we've proven that those on this list aren't stoopid enuf to fall for the 
"Cash Fer Clunkers" fiasco - how do we convince the rest of the US this is a 
shell game - and only the politicians will win anything?


LarryT
91 300D

"If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs."


- Original Message - 
From: "Redghost" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts


I would stay far away from the clunkers deal.  It is a flat packet of  cash 
that is just trading hands from the feds to dealer to take in old  cars and 
not have to play the trade in game.  All you would ever get  is $4500 value 
toward the new car, even were your car worth more.  The  dealer does not 
have to fiddle with or ship the thing to auction lots,  it just goes away. 
In the interregnum, you are shelling out far more  for a lesser vehicle 
that will not "save" you money.  Fuel costs would  take decades to recoup, 
and your interest payments will far outweigh  the pennies per gallon you 
save.


clay

On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

The minute you drive that car off the lot it is worth $4500 less, so 
trading in your clunker isn't buying you much, other than a new car  that 
you have to pay higher taxes, insurance on.  And payments, or  loss of 
your capital.  Buying a new car really makes little sense  when you can 
find a decent used car for reasonable money, and are  prepared to deal 
with the maintenance issues that arise on an older  car.


My wife asked last year when gas was high, should we sell the  Suburban 
(2000).  It is bought, paid for, great condition, runs fine  no troubles, 
insurance and taxes are low.  To recoup any gas savings  by selling it 
(low) and buying some other thing would take years if  it ever happened.


But some people like a new car, and don't care much about the  financial 
aspects, I guess that is what keeps the car companies in  business (or 
the taxpayer, but that is another thread).


--R

Donald Snook wrote:
I was thinking about this new cash for clunkers program that starts 
tomorrow and was wondering whether it would smart to take advantage  of 
it.  I have a very nice 1993 Cadillac Sedan Deville.  As I  understand 
the requirements of the program



1.  Owner must have owned the car for at least one year
2.  Must trade it in on a NEW car
3.  it must be 1984-2001 model year
4.  It must get 18 mpg (combined) as calculated by EPA on their  website 
fueleconomy.gov

5.  To get the full $4500, the new car must get at least 10 mpg  better.

My Cadillac qualifies (in a few months - I haven't had it a year).  So, 
the question I am wrestling with is this:  Is it worth it?


I hate buying a brand new car.  If it was my car (as opposed to my 
wife's), I would not be able to sell it/trade it every 9-12  months.  I 
would lose money trying to sell a new car that quickly.   HOWEVER, my 
car is certainly not worth $4500 and not taking  advantage of this is 
like lose a few thousand dollars.  On the  other hand, if I bought a new 
car, those monthly car payments would  eat up the $4500 pretty quick.  I 
don't really see any new car that  is all that exciting at least not in 
the price range I would  interested in.Thoughts?


Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] 1983 300SD radio fuse

[kevin kraly]

It's time to get my 300SD prepped to sell it, and it simply has to have a 
working radio.  Right now, the radio doesn't come on, and the power antenna 
motor isn't working either.  My questions are:

Are these run by the same fuse?
Can anyone give me the exact location in the fuse box for the fuse/fuses 
involved?  I no longer have a competent helper to assist me since my dad's 
health has gone downhill.  Also, he was the primary driver, so it sits more 
than 90% of the time.  I'm hoping to get $1500 out of it if anyone's 
interested.  It needs an AC compressor and a vac lock pump.  It does have a new 
lower passenger's side ball joint and front pads.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula, in search of a new owner
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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[Kevin]

Totally. The only case that wasn't that way was my landcruiser, and that was
the three hour drive from the airport, plus he left it at school and had gone
home for vacation.

I cut him slack, since I paid half of what the parts were worth for a running
landcruiser that I wheeled for two years now.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:19:14PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> well geez, usually if you buy a car from out of town, the seller will
> either pick you up or meet you at the airport with the car

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Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E

[Kevin]

That vintage of GM/CV is just about impossible to beat for the price.

I've owned enough cars that required a current tetanus shot before working
on (or driving), so you'd have to pay me to fly to chicago to get a crown
vic. I can get them out here all day for that reserve price with no rust.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:19:15PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> you would go all the way to chicago for a common crown vic?
> 
> Donald Snook wrote:
> >Kaleb wrote: "The reserve is not even met at 1500, and I dont see you 
> >getting it that
> >cheap anyway."
> >
> >You are probably right.  I think I have switched back to the Grand 
> >Marquis/Crown Vic search.  I found a '97 Grand Marquis with only 77,000 
> >miles and its completely spotless.  I may be making a trip to Chicago.

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[Barry Stark]

Curt -
I didn't see your first post. The gold standard in rebuilds is Metric Motors
but gold ain't cheap. Their price for a 617 head is $530.

Barry


Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

WHo else can I turn to?




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Re: [MBZ] U.S. Diesel Supply Climbs as Goods Orders Slip

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, they finally got it back to where its the same price or higher than 
gas again.


Rich Thomas wrote:

But the price keeps going up.

--R

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=atxf.CanQuMU

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[MBZ] Something for Kaleb's lawnmower

[John Freer]

http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/pts/1249177580.html

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Re: [MBZ] speaking of compressors

[Kevin]

I thought the same.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:19:03PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> I thought r4 rebuilds were no good?
> 
> Rusty Cullens wrote:
> >They all rebuild very well.

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[MBZ] Fw: Smart cars

[WILTON]

- Original Message - 
From: Larry Jinnette 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:59 PM
Subject: Smart cars


The small smart cars are here! 



The Smart Car 

what we will be forced to drive quite soon. 



But look at all of the 'great new choices' 

we will have from 'The SMART Car' 

The Smorvette! 



The Smaudi A3 AWD! 



The Smamborghini! 



The Smorsche! 



The Smerrari! 



And last, but not least, 

The Smustang 


 




 

  




 


 
 
 
 






 
 

 
   
 



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[MBZ] [Fwd: Red Neck Bull Hauler]

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

*From:* "Brown, Steve C (GSO PLM)"
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:33:42 PM
*Subject:* FW: Red Neck Bull Hauler

   Can you BULL-eve thisâEUR¦

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       */And to think, they quit making  Pontiacs ./*

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   He bought the bull in  Kansas ...headed to  Tulsa
   ,  OK .*
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Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you would go all the way to chicago for a common crown vic?

Donald Snook wrote:

Kaleb wrote: "The reserve is not even met at 1500, and I dont see you getting 
it that
cheap anyway."

You are probably right.  I think I have switched back to the Grand 
Marquis/Crown Vic search.  I found a '97 Grand Marquis with only 77,000 miles 
and its completely spotless.  I may be making a trip to Chicago.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well geez, usually if you buy a car from out of town, the seller will
either pick you up or meet you at the airport with the car

Donald Snook wrote:

I may be flying to Chicago this weekend (or in the next two weeks) to pick up a 
car I may be buying.  I have to figure out how to get from Airport (O'Hare or 
Midway) to East Dundee, IL (about 40-50 miles).  I tried enterprise rent a car 
but they won't let you rent a car at the airport and return it to the suburbs.  
Anyone have any ideas?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

why buy from them when you can buy from Rusty?

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my new
300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.  How much labor is
involved?  They only provide the head - I would need to keep the injection
pump and cam cover (same as valve cover??).

Has anyone dealt with Adsit Co for rebuilt drive train parts?  They claim
that their cylinder heads have had a valve job.  Does this mean it won't
need a valve adjustment when placed in my car?

Andrew
1983 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] speaking of compressors

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I thought r4 rebuilds were no good?

Rusty Cullens wrote:

They all rebuild very well.

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 


To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] speaking of compressors


So we know rebuilt r4 compressors are not worth a crap.  What about 
rebuilt a6's or nippo?  Are those decent or also should only use 
new?  What about rebuilt Yorks?


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[MBZ] Adsit

[Allen Sawyer]

I have never heard a good word for Adsit.  George Murphy does not like them 
either.  
I purchased a heater fan motor new from them several years ago; it came without 
the squirrel cage fan.  It is almost impossible to transfer that fan blade.
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Re: [MBZ] U.S. Diesel Supply Climbs as Goods Orders Slip

[Loren Faeth]

$2.27 today in DesM for E-10
$2.53 for Diesel, up from $2.51 last week.
 Inverted, again. SOS


At 10:25 PM 7/1/2009, you wrote:

Price in Westminster MD Sunday was only $2.55, vs. $2.65 for low test
gasoline.  YEAH!!!

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> But the price keeps going up.
>
> --R
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=atxf.CanQuMU
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Loren Faeth]

Check out Northern tool online.  they carry a lot of replacement engines


At 10:32 PM 7/1/2009, you wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> I probably should have mentioned that the problem is that its a vertical
> shaft motor and most of the less expensive motors are horizontal
> shaft... A 601 would look probably look funny standing straight up.
> Might effect performance too.

You could couple it to a differential with only one axle shaft ...


But there is also


http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/4VB27$193.00
Brand   BRIGGS & STRATTON
Mfr. Model #123K02-0515-E1
Quantum Gasoline Engine, 4 Cycle, 6.5 HP, Engine RPM 3100, Shaft
Orientation Vertical, Fuel Tank Capacity 1.6 Qt, PTO Shaft Dia 7/8 In, PTO
Shaft Length 3 3/16 In, PTO Shaft Configuration WK & Keyway, Rotation CCW,
Mower Application, Overall Width Facing PTO 12.90 In, Overall Height
Facing PTO 9.75 In, Overall Depth Facing PTO 11.76 In, Pleated Paper Air
Filter, Ignition Type Electronic, Low tone Muffler, Recoil Start, Single
Cylinder


and,


http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/1WVK4$545.00
Brand   BRIGGS & STRATTON
Mfr. Model #31C707-0026-G1
Gasoline Engine, 4 Cycle, 17 HP, 3300 Engine RPM, Vertical Shaft
Orientation, Electric Starter Type, Electronic Ignition Type, Cast Iron
Cylinders, Muffler, Dual Element Air Cleaner Type, CCW Rotation, Riding
Mower Application, Overall Height 12.90 In, Overall Width 16.06 In,
Overall Depth 12.47 In, Shaft Length 3.60 In, Shaft Dia 1.00 In,
Keyed/Tapped Shaft Configuration, Shaft Key 1/4 In



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 orphan wiper relay

[Jim Cathey]

different from the "interval" relay.  I cannot locate where this 
0008210863

relay goes in my car!


I can think of three wiper relays a car might have:

The main one
One for a wagon's rear window
Headlight wipers.

I don't know which one you have there.  I do know that on
a R107 the wiper relay is just above the gas pedal.

I also saw listed a 123 821 00 63 as some kind of wiper relay.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[Loren Faeth]

try PGA, they are in your backyard, and you can go yell at them 
in  person if you don't like their head.
Otherwise, try car-part.com, put in your car info and you should get 
a list of junkyards with a head.  PGA or your independent shop should 
know who is good to work on MB heads.  Get the valve job done 
locally.  you WILL still need to adjust the valves, on assembly, and 
at regular intervals.  You or your indy should be able  to install it.


If you strike out at PGA and car-part.com,  call other local 
junkyards, or whatever tri-star in phoenix is called now.  If you are 
a member of MBCA, there are ads in the back of the Star.


Have you called RUsty?  I'll bet he can find you a good used head, or 
a rebuilt head.



At 10:24 PM 7/1/2009, you wrote:

WHo else can I turn to?

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Have you actually bought something from them?
> Is their customer service responsive or the salesguy? I've read a ton of
> posts complaining about their customer service.
> When one company is much cheaper than everybody else theres usually a
> reason behind it...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:20:16 -0400
> From: andrew strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I did, but their customer service is responsive and prices for certain
> items
> seem attractive...
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Rick Knoble 
> wrote:
>
> >  I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my
> >> new
> >> 300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.
> >>
> >
> > IIRC, Marshall HATED Adsit.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay Moron

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:03:05 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Rich
> Thomas wrote:
> > Yeah, ain't that great?  Beats plywood and duct tape.
> >
> 
> Like this one?
> 
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/phx/1181323797.html



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> I probably should have mentioned that the problem is that its a vertical
> shaft motor and most of the less expensive motors are horizontal
> shaft... A 601 would look probably look funny standing straight up.
> Might effect performance too.

You could couple it to a differential with only one axle shaft ...


But there is also


http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/4VB27$193.00
BrandBRIGGS & STRATTON   
Mfr. Model #123K02-0515-E1
Quantum Gasoline Engine, 4 Cycle, 6.5 HP, Engine RPM 3100, Shaft
Orientation Vertical, Fuel Tank Capacity 1.6 Qt, PTO Shaft Dia 7/8 In, PTO
Shaft Length 3 3/16 In, PTO Shaft Configuration WK & Keyway, Rotation CCW,
Mower Application, Overall Width Facing PTO 12.90 In, Overall Height
Facing PTO 9.75 In, Overall Depth Facing PTO 11.76 In, Pleated Paper Air
Filter, Ignition Type Electronic, Low tone Muffler, Recoil Start, Single
Cylinder


and,


http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/1WVK4$545.00
BrandBRIGGS & STRATTON   
Mfr. Model #31C707-0026-G1
Gasoline Engine, 4 Cycle, 17 HP, 3300 Engine RPM, Vertical Shaft
Orientation, Electric Starter Type, Electronic Ignition Type, Cast Iron
Cylinders, Muffler, Dual Element Air Cleaner Type, CCW Rotation, Riding
Mower Application, Overall Height 12.90 In, Overall Width 16.06 In,
Overall Depth 12.47 In, Shaft Length 3.60 In, Shaft Dia 1.00 In,
Keyed/Tapped Shaft Configuration, Shaft Key 1/4 In



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Re: [MBZ] U.S. Diesel Supply Climbs as Goods Orders Slip

[andrew strasfogel]

Price in Westminster MD Sunday was only $2.55, vs. $2.65 for low test
gasoline.  YEAH!!!

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> But the price keeps going up.
>
> --R
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=atxf.CanQuMU
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Re: [MBZ] W123 orphan wiper relay

[andrew strasfogel]

If this is true I definitely owe you one.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Thomas Savage  wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> For my 1985 300TD, I purchased a used relay for the front wipers. The part
>> number of  this relay is 000 821 08 63.  It has three pins on each side
>> and
>> one metal pin on the end that is slightly lower than the other six.  it is
>> different from the "interval" relay.  I cannot locate where this
>> 0008210863
>> relay goes in my car!
>>
>> Is this indeed the main wiper relay for my car, and if so, does anyone
>> know
>> exactly where it belongs?  There is a relay under the dash near the
>> interval
>> wiper relay that is connected to  a bracket but it has  different pin
>> placements.
>>
>
> Per the EPC, it looks like it goes under the hood, with the flock of relays
> on top of the wheel well.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[andrew strasfogel]

WHo else can I turn to?

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Have you actually bought something from them?
> Is their customer service responsive or the salesguy? I've read a ton of
> posts complaining about their customer service.
> When one company is much cheaper than everybody else theres usually a
> reason behind it...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:20:16 -0400
> From: andrew strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I did, but their customer service is responsive and prices for certain
> items
> seem attractive...
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Rick Knoble 
> wrote:
>
> >  I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my
> >> new
> >> 300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.
> >>
> >
> > IIRC, Marshall HATED Adsit.
> >
> > Rick
>
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[MBZ] U.S. Diesel Supply Climbs as Goods Orders Slip

[Rich Thomas]

But the price keeps going up.

--R

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=atxf.CanQuMU

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Re: [MBZ] The Family Truckster

[Rich Thomas]

Wow, I have to go rent that movie now and watch it again, or maybe just 
buy it.  I had totally forgotten.  It is the Wagon Queen!


Awesome.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:

You thought wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTaTitRENDM

"You think you hate it now, wait till you drive it!"

-Curt


Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:35:11 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Family Truckster
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <4a4aaf3f.9040...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I thought it was a Road Queen Family Truckster?

--R

Donald Snook wrote:
  
I don't know how many of you are fans of National Lampoon's Vacation,

but I am a huge fan.  I laugh everytime I see that movie.  Here is a
guy who is an even bigger fan. He made his own Wagon-Queen Family
Truckster in Metallic Pea.
  

http://www.myfamilytruckster.com/

Donald H. Snook




  
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Re: [MBZ] W123 orphan wiper relay

[Thomas Savage]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

For my 1985 300TD, I purchased a used relay for the front wipers. The part
number of  this relay is 000 821 08 63.  It has three pins on each side and
one metal pin on the end that is slightly lower than the other six.  it is
different from the "interval" relay.  I cannot locate where this 0008210863
relay goes in my car!

Is this indeed the main wiper relay for my car, and if so, does anyone know
exactly where it belongs?  There is a relay under the dash near the interval
wiper relay that is connected to  a bracket but it has  different pin
placements.


Per the EPC, it looks like it goes under the hood, with the flock of 
relays on top of the wheel well.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Jim Cathey]

I know several people who are extremely wealthy, and most drive used 
(but new condition) cars they purchase with cash. People I know who 
have new cars are generally low income and live month to month and 
think of things only in terms of monthly payments rather than long 
term costs.


It is not a big secret that that mindset is _how_ they got
to be wealthy in the first place!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Mountain Man]

Snook wrote:
> But, in case you are referring to me, I am 36 years old.

I'm your daddy - I'm the old dude.
I'll pick you up at OHare tho, if you want.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[Mountain Man]

Snook wrote:
> I may be flying to Chicago this weekend (or in the next two weeks) to pick up 
> a car I may be buying.  I have to figure out how to get from Airport (O'Hare 
> or Midway) to East Dundee, IL (about 40-50 miles).  I tried enterprise rent a 
> car but they won't let you rent a car at the airport and return it to the 
> suburbs.  Anyone have any ideas?
>

I'm just south of East Dundee.
Contact me offlist - let's have it happen.
Plus, if you are not crunched for time - we can get us some real
chicago dogs at Gene & Jude's - the other direction, but near the
airport... if you like.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Points aren't that bad-feeler gauge and nail file. Unless the cam (Plastic?)
is worn. 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:39 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

I know it, this mower has through Friday, if I can't get it working by then
I'll suck it up and get the Honda. It'll be a power boost and probably way
more reliable. I dislike that this motor has points... I've never had any
luck messing with points. Electronic ignition I just replace parts until it
works again. Points I gotta kill a chicken and dance around in the dark in
my underpants.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:22:50 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID: <6e2e5c2d3721442aade8e378a4a9f...@wiltonpc>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    reply-type=original

Honda's hard to beat.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower


> S'what I figured (man Firefox's spell checker loves me!).
> Small engine warehouse has an 11hp Honda for ~$400 out the door if it 
> comes to that. I'm gonna pick up a carb kit today and try it in my spare 
> Tecumseh 8hp. I spect that'll get it to run but the governor linkages are 
> slightly boogered...
> If I can't get it to go I'll order the Honda...
>
> -Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Curt Raymond]

I know it, this mower has through Friday, if I can't get it working by then 
I'll suck it up and get the Honda. It'll be a power boost and probably way more 
reliable. I dislike that this motor has points... I've never had any luck 
messing with points. Electronic ignition I just replace parts until it works 
again. Points I gotta kill a chicken and dance around in the dark in my 
underpants.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:22:50 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID: <6e2e5c2d3721442aade8e378a4a9f...@wiltonpc>
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Honda's hard to beat.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower


> S'what I figured (man Firefox's spell checker loves me!).
> Small engine warehouse has an 11hp Honda for ~$400 out the door if it 
> comes to that. I'm gonna pick up a carb kit today and try it in my spare 
> Tecumseh 8hp. I spect that'll get it to run but the governor linkages are 
> slightly boogered...
> If I can't get it to go I'll order the Honda...
>
> -Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[Curt Raymond]

Have you actually bought something from them?
Is their customer service responsive or the salesguy? I've read a ton of posts 
complaining about their customer service.
When one company is much cheaper than everybody else theres usually a reason 
behind it...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:20:16 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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I did, but their customer service is responsive and prices for certain items
seem attractive...

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

>  I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my
>> new
>> 300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.
>>
>
> IIRC, Marshall HATED Adsit.
>
> Rick


  
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Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E

[Curt Raymond]

The big 3 automakers until quite recently were using engines largely developed 
in the '50s. Well proven old technology made mostly out of iron.

MB, Porche, BMW etc have been pushing technology for decades and when you push 
technology you get failures, the Vega, Corvair, and Edsel are all examples of 
that...

In the '80s and '90s it got worse because bean counters got in charge of 
production schedules and even in some cases engineering so stuff was built to a 
price and on a schedule rather than "to do it right". The biodegradeable wiring 
for instance was a push from the German government so MB must have rushed their 
solution to market. I suspect the single roller chains were a cost cutting 
measure. Sometimes you make a move like that and win (and we never hear about 
those) and sometimes you don't (and you hear about those forever).

-Curt

Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:10:57 -0400
From: "LarryT" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re:  Opinions about '89
    300E
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Hi Don,
    I've always been a fan of the Crown Vic.  Big car, lots  of room and 
great V8.  I'd look carefully at the AT and check how it was serviced.

    Question - MB (and others manufacturers of very expensve cars) make cars 
that we later find have serious flaws.  Like the biodegradable wiring 
harness in W140s, the rod bender Diesel 140, etc.  Porsche has had probems 
also - rear main seal leaks, clutch problems, etc.

    Yet I don't recall the Ford V8 having built in problems.  Is that 
something to do with the manufactuing scale of a giant like Ford and 
relatively small fry like MB and Porsche?

    I guess I'm wondering why MB builds a $50k+  sedan ($80K+ in the case of 
a W140) and it's not perfect in every way?  Same for Porsche - $80K + and 
they end up with problems that their road tests and dyno tests should have 
located.

    Perhaps Ford has major problems but they are relatively cheap to fix and 
thus we don't hard about them?

Thx -
LarryT
91 300D (Love it)   ;-)


  
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Redghost]

I would stay far away from the clunkers deal.  It is a flat packet of  
cash that is just trading hands from the feds to dealer to take in old  
cars and not have to play the trade in game.  All you would ever get  
is $4500 value toward the new car, even were your car worth more.  The  
dealer does not have to fiddle with or ship the thing to auction lots,  
it just goes away.  In the interregnum, you are shelling out far more  
for a lesser vehicle that will not "save" you money.  Fuel costs would  
take decades to recoup, and your interest payments will far outweigh  
the pennies per gallon you save.


clay

On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

The minute you drive that car off the lot it is worth $4500 less, so  
trading in your clunker isn't buying you much, other than a new car  
that you have to pay higher taxes, insurance on.  And payments, or  
loss of your capital.  Buying a new car really makes little sense  
when you can find a decent used car for reasonable money, and are  
prepared to deal with the maintenance issues that arise on an older  
car.


My wife asked last year when gas was high, should we sell the  
Suburban (2000).  It is bought, paid for, great condition, runs fine  
no troubles, insurance and taxes are low.  To recoup any gas savings  
by selling it (low) and buying some other thing would take years if  
it ever happened.


But some people like a new car, and don't care much about the  
financial aspects, I guess that is what keeps the car companies in  
business (or the taxpayer, but that is another thread).


--R

Donald Snook wrote:
I was thinking about this new cash for clunkers program that starts  
tomorrow and was wondering whether it would smart to take advantage  
of it.  I have a very nice 1993 Cadillac Sedan Deville.  As I  
understand the requirements of the program



1.  Owner must have owned the car for at least one year
2.  Must trade it in on a NEW car
3.  it must be 1984-2001 model year
4.  It must get 18 mpg (combined) as calculated by EPA on their  
website fueleconomy.gov
5.  To get the full $4500, the new car must get at least 10 mpg  
better.


My Cadillac qualifies (in a few months - I haven't had it a year).  
So, the question I am wrestling with is this:  Is it worth it?


I hate buying a brand new car.  If it was my car (as opposed to my  
wife's), I would not be able to sell it/trade it every 9-12  
months.  I would lose money trying to sell a new car that quickly.   
HOWEVER, my car is certainly not worth $4500 and not taking  
advantage of this is like lose a few thousand dollars.  On the  
other hand, if I bought a new car, those monthly car payments would  
eat up the $4500 pretty quick.  I don't really see any new car that  
is all that exciting at least not in the price range I would  
interested in.Thoughts?


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[Curt Raymond]

They don't seem to have a good reputation, google them and hits from forums all 
around come up complaining about them. There was a big thread on Peach Parts 
awhile ago.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:56:04 -0500
From: "Rick Knoble" 
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> I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my 
> new
> 300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.

IIRC, Marshall HATED Adsit.

Rick 


  
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Rich Thomas]

A neighbor found my great granny dead at the kitchen table one morning, 
she had eaten breakfast, stacked the dishes and moved them to the side 
then put her head down on her arms on the table.  He noticed at 5AM she 
wasn't out working the garden as she always did, so went to check on 
her.  I can't remember if she was 96 or 98.  She was a great woman, 
still cooked on a big ass wood fired stove in the kitchen that the house 
(a real honest log cabin from the 1800s) was probably built around.  She 
was half Cherokee, kept her .38 close by, and would not hesitate to use it.


That is similar to my plan, if goobers in Sprinter vans don't get me first.

--R

WILTON wrote:
4 or 5 months before Mom died at 99 + 3 months, I went to see her one 
afternoon; during the visit, she sais, "I'm so mad with Joyce!"  (My 
sister) I asked, "Why are you so mad with Joyce?"  She replied, "She 
took my lawn mower, supposedly to fix it, and she won't bring it 
back.  I want my own mower here so when I want to cut a little bit, I 
can do it when and how I want to!"  We were lucky - she was like that 
'til 6 or 8 days before she died in 1996.





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Re: [MBZ] more AC compressor problems for Wogers

[Redghost]

Kaleb needs to bring it up with Sonia Sotomayor.  She will reverse his  
discrimination and cause Rusty to carry a rainbow of compressors.   
Then the Supremes will overturn her ruling and all will be proper again.


clay

On Jun 29, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


now you are sounding downright canadian!

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  
wrote:


I am really upset with Rusty.  I really wanted a white AC  
compressor, but
instead I got a black one.  I dont know, I could have settled for  
blue I

guess but I sure did not want black.

--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89  
560SEL,
87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro  
manny, 81

240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] Ebay Moron

[Rich Thomas]

Muy bueno!

--R

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Rich
Thomas wrote:
  

Yeah, ain't that great?  Beats plywood and duct tape.




Like this one?

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/phx/1181323797.html

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Re: [MBZ] Combined police auction

[Redghost]

Yeah, Seattle is out-sourcing their stuff to these idiots.  Truck it  
to Los Angeles, put it online and they get 50% of the take.  I guess  
it cost money to be lazy and stupid


clay



On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:06 AM, archer wrote:

Local columnist says this combined police auction is authentic.   
Article in business section of 6/23/09 St. Petersburg Times  
(Florida):  www.sptimes.com


www.propertyroom.com

Gerry

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[MBZ] W123 orphan wiper relay

[andrew strasfogel]

For my 1985 300TD, I purchased a used relay for the front wipers. The part
number of  this relay is 000 821 08 63.  It has three pins on each side and
one metal pin on the end that is slightly lower than the other six.  it is
different from the "interval" relay.  I cannot locate where this 0008210863
relay goes in my car!

Is this indeed the main wiper relay for my car, and if so, does anyone know
exactly where it belongs?  There is a relay under the dash near the interval
wiper relay that is connected to  a bracket but it has  different pin
placements.

Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E

[Rich Thomas]

You ought to be able to buy Crown Vic parts at the 7-11 right next to 
the stuff for Chevy 350s.


--R

LarryT wrote:

Hi Don,
   I've always been a fan of the Crown Vic.  Big car, lots  of room 
and great V8.  I'd look carefully at the AT and check how it was 
serviced.


   Question - MB (and others manufacturers of very expensve cars) make 
cars that we later find have serious flaws.  Like the biodegradable 
wiring harness in W140s, the rod bender Diesel 140, etc.  Porsche has 
had probems also - rear main seal leaks, clutch problems, etc.


   Yet I don't recall the Ford V8 having built in problems.  Is that 
something to do with the manufactuing scale of a giant like Ford and 
relatively small fry like MB and Porsche?


   I guess I'm wondering why MB builds a $50k+  sedan ($80K+ in the 
case of a W140) and it's not perfect in every way?  Same for Porsche - 
$80K + and they end up with problems that their road tests and dyno 
tests should have located.


   Perhaps Ford has major problems but they are relatively cheap to 
fix and thus we don't hard about them?


Thx -
LarryT
91 300D (Love it)   ;-)


"If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs."


- Original Message - From: "Donald Snook" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E


Kaleb wrote: "The reserve is not even met at 1500, and I dont see you 
getting it that

cheap anyway."

You are probably right.  I think I have switched back to the Grand 
Marquis/Crown Vic search.  I found a '97 Grand Marquis with only 
77,000 miles and its completely spotless.  I may be making a trip to 
Chicago.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[andrew strasfogel]

No, but all I need is the struts and I can get them used.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my
>> new
>> 300TD
>>
>
> With the exception of the missing hydraulic pump, how's the SLS on that
> car?
> They didn't get rid of all the SLS parts, did they? I can't imagine SLS
> struts working without the pump, and paying for new struts won't be much
> more fun than replacing that head.
> Do you still have the parts car?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay Moron

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Rich
Thomas wrote:
> Yeah, ain't that great?  Beats plywood and duct tape.
>

Like this one?

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/phx/1181323797.html

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Sedan Seats

[Michael Esh]

Hi Rick,
What color are they.
I could pick up.
Mike in Michigan


On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

Someone gave me some seats for a four door W123. They are in okay  
shape. I have no use for them. If anyone in the Chicagoland area  
needs them, I'd like to give them to a good home.


Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[tyler]

IMO nobody with financial sense would buy a new car, regardless of their 
income level, because of the enormous instant depreciation when the car 
goes from being labeled as "new" to "used" the second the title is 
transferred into your name. I know several people who are extremely 
wealthy, and most drive used (but new condition) cars they purchase with 
cash. People I know who have new cars are generally low income and live 
month to month and think of things only in terms of monthly payments 
rather than long term costs.


Somebody a few days ago said to me "it's great that you can drive these 
old Mercedes, but it wouldn't work for most people unless they knew how 
to do all of their own work." I really doubt that even paying a shop to 
maintain an 80s diesel Benz like an aircraft and keep it in perpetual 
new condition, would cost as much as the payments on the cheapest of new 
cars. And a well maintained older Benz only has maintenance costs- it 
will resell for it's purchase price.


There seems to be some sort of myth that an older car is less reliable, 
which is often used to justify the purchase of a new one. In my opinion 
reliability problems are virtually always due to maintenance issues, and 
have almost nothing to do with the age (or mileage) of a car beyond the 
fact that people are more likely to neglect needed work on an older car 
(but that's up to the owner)!


Tyler

LarryT wrote:
That's always made me wonder too - a $30k car (average price these 
days) with a DP of say, $5000 in the form of a trade in and you're 
still financing $25k.  Even at a cut rate interest rate od 3.99% the 
monthly payment is ~$460/mo.  Add a house/apt - $800 min - and you're 
up to $1260. add  food and you're at $1560 which is $18720 per year.  
To make that you;d need to earn ~$25000 per year.  But to be realistic 
you need little details like insurance, gas, maintanence, utilities 
(not insignificant) so it's hard to image how people afford new cars 
much less $50K SUVs.


LarryT


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Re: [MBZ] I REALLY like these cars!

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
> http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/1224387246.html
>
> This is too much money for this car.

It's low market.  Impossible to find a decent one for less than $15K,
even on the left coast.  They're not R107s!

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my new
300TD 


With the exception of the missing hydraulic pump, how's the SLS on that car?
They didn't get rid of all the SLS parts, did they? I can't imagine SLS struts 
working without the pump, and paying for new struts won't be much more fun than 
replacing that head.

Do you still have the parts car?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] NOS parts motherlode

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Chris 
Any 123 4-dr sedan rear quarter panels? Maybe called patch panels?  Bob's
Benzes used to sell them. I'd be interested in either side but esp. driver's
side.
Thanks,
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:29 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] NOS parts motherlode


SO, I'm friends with the owner of the local Indy shop. He just moved from
one part of KC to another, after 26 years in the same location. He asked me
if I'd like to help him sell his old stock. SURE! 

So I started putting some stuff up on Ebay this weekend. If you're
interested, here is the auction number of one item: 200357443812
from there, you can click to see my other auctions. 

There are THOUSANDS of parts to sell, so if you're looking for something,
let me know (part number is nice, but I'll try to find it for you if you
don't know). I'll let you know if I have the part. I am free to set the
price, as long as it's reasonable. The owner wants the parts OUT of the
warehouse, so I can pretty much beat any other price.

Some rare things in there (tail lights for 600 limo) to brand new 123
fenders. Most stuff is genuine MB, but some is aftermarket.

Chris




  

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Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E

[WILTON]

Ford had some serious ignition module problems 10 - 12 years ago.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E



Hi Don,
   I've always been a fan of the Crown Vic.  Big car, lots  of room and 
great V8.  I'd look carefully at the AT and check how it was serviced.


   Question - MB (and others manufacturers of very expensve cars) make 
cars that we later find have serious flaws.  Like the biodegradable wiring 
harness in W140s, the rod bender Diesel 140, etc.  Porsche has had probems 
also - rear main seal leaks, clutch problems, etc.


   Yet I don't recall the Ford V8 having built in problems.  Is that 
something to do with the manufactuing scale of a giant like Ford and 
relatively small fry like MB and Porsche?


   I guess I'm wondering why MB builds a $50k+  sedan ($80K+ in the case 
of a W140) and it's not perfect in every way?  Same for Porsche - $80K + 
and they end up with problems that their road tests and dyno tests should 
have located.


   Perhaps Ford has major problems but they are relatively cheap to fix 
and thus we don't hard about them?


Thx -
LarryT
91 300D (Love it)   ;-)


"If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs."


- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E


Kaleb wrote: "The reserve is not even met at 1500, and I dont see you 
getting it that

cheap anyway."

You are probably right.  I think I have switched back to the Grand 
Marquis/Crown Vic search.  I found a '97 Grand Marquis with only 77,000 
miles and its completely spotless.  I may be making a trip to Chicago.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[WILTON]

Honda's hard to beat.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower



S'what I figured (man Firefox's spell checker loves me!).
Small engine warehouse has an 11hp Honda for ~$400 out the door if it 
comes to that. I'm gonna pick up a carb kit today and try it in my spare 
Tecumseh 8hp. I spect that'll get it to run but the governor linkages are 
slightly boogered...

If I can't get it to go I'll order the Honda...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:41:23 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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5.5hp in a 2009 engine isn't squat.
The ratings have gotten out of hand, to where a 25hp engine might make 
14hp with
muffler, installed in the mower, if you're lucky. If that Snapper came 
with a 7

or 8hp, I'd be looking at a 10.5hp at a minimum.
You know those $799 lawn tractors with the $500 vertical shaft engines in 
them?

Try to find one at a garage sale for $100.

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[andrew strasfogel]

I did, but their customer service is responsive and prices for certain items
seem attractive...

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

>  I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my
>> new
>> 300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.
>>
>
> IIRC, Marshall HATED Adsit.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[WILTON]

They can't, really; they been getting 'em the last 15 years or so the same 
way they been getting those huge houses they can't afford - so called, 
"sub-prime" crap.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts


That's always made me wonder too - a $30k car (average price these days) 
with a DP of say, $5000 in the form of a trade in and you're still 
financing $25k.  Even at a cut rate interest rate od 3.99% the monthly 
payment is ~$460/mo.  Add a house/apt - $800 min - and you're up to $1260. 
add  food and you're at $1560 which is $18720 per year.  To make that 
you;d need to earn ~$25000 per year.  But to be realistic you need little 
details like insurance, gas, maintanence, utilities (not insignificant) so 
it's hard to image how people afford new cars much less $50K SUVs.


LarryT

"If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs."


- Original Message - 
From: "Mountain Man" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts



Rick wrote:

1. If you are trying to get debt free, buying a car on credit is like
driving the wrong way up a one way street.


They need to sell the same product at 50 percent current price and I
might be able to qualify, but at $40k there is no way this old dude is
gonna even qualify for a car loan.  I have no idea what people do for
work to make that sort of money to afford new car payments, much less
mortgage or rent.  Of course, I still don't even make fresh out of
college wages that the newsmedia tells us, and I bin working for 35
years, and I even have one of dem coledg thingies in physics/math.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Michigan classifieds - W115, W123, W140, W202, R107

[WILTON]

I'll bet it's rough, alright.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Michigan classifieds - W115, W123, W140, W202, R107



andrew strasfogel wrote:
1985 300D is "a real tank" (whatever that means) but he fails to give 
color

scheme or how much rust, etc.


The car is in Michigan, the pic shows silver paint (probably black 
interior), and the seller says "This car is rough and ready".


Given the price (around here, $1000-1500 is asking price for a non-runner) 
I'd take his word for the "rough" part.



http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/1244804483.html


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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[WILTON]

4 or 5 months before Mom died at 99 + 3 months, I went to see her one 
afternoon; during the visit, she sais, "I'm so mad with Joyce!"  (My sister) 
I asked, "Why are you so mad with Joyce?"  She replied, "She took my lawn 
mower, supposedly to fix it, and she won't bring it back.  I want my own 
mower here so when I want to cut a little bit, I can do it when and how I 
want to!"  We were lucky - she was like that 'til 6 or 8 days before she 
died in 1996.


- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts



Wilton wrote: "Me too, and I'm 75."

You are still young! My grandmother was 94 when she died and she was 
driving up to the last 3 months of her life. She was actually a pretty 
good driver.  AND she didn't like an old lady, her problem was speeding 
tickets!  In fact, she was driving the Senior Center Van as a volunteer 
when she was a much younger 90 years old and got a speeding ticket in the 
van.  The officer told her she was speeding and she said "Madge was 
yelling at me that she was going to be late to Bingo!"   The officer 
busted up laughing and let Grandma go with only a warning.



Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E

[LarryT]

Hi Don,
   I've always been a fan of the Crown Vic.  Big car, lots  of room and 
great V8.  I'd look carefully at the AT and check how it was serviced.


   Question - MB (and others manufacturers of very expensve cars) make cars 
that we later find have serious flaws.  Like the biodegradable wiring 
harness in W140s, the rod bender Diesel 140, etc.  Porsche has had probems 
also - rear main seal leaks, clutch problems, etc.


   Yet I don't recall the Ford V8 having built in problems.  Is that 
something to do with the manufactuing scale of a giant like Ford and 
relatively small fry like MB and Porsche?


   I guess I'm wondering why MB builds a $50k+  sedan ($80K+ in the case of 
a W140) and it's not perfect in every way?  Same for Porsche - $80K + and 
they end up with problems that their road tests and dyno tests should have 
located.


   Perhaps Ford has major problems but they are relatively cheap to fix and 
thus we don't hard about them?


Thx -
LarryT
91 300D (Love it)   ;-)


"If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs."


- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: [MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E


Kaleb wrote: "The reserve is not even met at 1500, and I dont see you 
getting it that

cheap anyway."

You are probably right.  I think I have switched back to the Grand 
Marquis/Crown Vic search.  I found a '97 Grand Marquis with only 77,000 
miles and its completely spotless.  I may be making a trip to Chicago.


Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] W123 Sedan Seats

[Rick Knoble]

Someone gave me some seats for a four door W123. They are in okay shape. I 
have no use for them. If anyone in the Chicagoland area needs them, I'd like 
to give them to a good home.


Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[Rick Knoble]

I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my 
new

300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.


IIRC, Marshall HATED Adsit.

Rick 



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[MBZ] Replacing a cylinder head on a W123 turbodiesel

[andrew strasfogel]

I am toying with the idea of replacing the non-wagon cylinder head on my new
300TD with a genuine 300TD rebuilt head from Adsit Co.  How much labor is
involved?  They only provide the head - I would need to keep the injection
pump and cam cover (same as valve cover??).

Has anyone dealt with Adsit Co for rebuilt drive train parts?  They claim
that their cylinder heads have had a valve job.  Does this mean it won't
need a valve adjustment when placed in my car?

Andrew
1983 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Michigan classifieds - W115, W123, W140, W202, R107

[andrew strasfogel]

I would have guessed a blue interior.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> 1985 300D is "a real tank" (whatever that means) but he fails to give
>> color
>> scheme or how much rust, etc.
>>
>
> The car is in Michigan, of course it has rust, just can't see it in the one
> crappy picture. The pic shows silver paint (probably black interior), and
> the seller says "This car is rough and ready".
>
> Given the price (around here, $1000-1500 is asking price for a non-runner)
> I'd take his word for the "rough" part.
>
>  http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/1244804483.html
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[Rick Knoble]

From: "Donald Snook" 

I may be flying to Chicago this weekend (or in the next two weeks) to pick 
up a car I may be buying.  I have to figure out how to get from Airport 
(O'Hare or Midway) to East Dundee, IL (about 40-50 miles).  I tried 
enterprise rent a car but they won't let you rent a car at the airport and 
return it to the suburbs.  Anyone have any ideas?


Lemme know when, and if it fits into my time frame (I work midnights) I 
could probably give you a ride


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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[Peter Hertzing]

Limo service In east dundee exists.  Can't remember the name.  What car you
buying??

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> There's a limo service to Argonne Labs and maybe for other places roughtly
> that distance.  Suggest you Google "limousines for O'hare"
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>
> > I may be flying to Chicago this weekend (or in the next two weeks) to
> pick
> > up a car I may be buying.  I have to figure out how to get from Airport
> > (O'Hare or Midway) to East Dundee, IL (about 40-50 miles).  I tried
> > enterprise rent a car but they won't let you rent a car at the airport
> and
> > return it to the suburbs.  Anyone have any ideas?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Curt Raymond]

S'what I figured (man Firefox's spell checker loves me!).
Small engine warehouse has an 11hp Honda for ~$400 out the door if it comes to 
that. I'm gonna pick up a carb kit today and try it in my spare Tecumseh 8hp. I 
spect that'll get it to run but the governor linkages are slightly boogered...
If I can't get it to go I'll order the Honda...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:41:23 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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5.5hp in a 2009 engine isn't squat.
The ratings have gotten out of hand, to where a 25hp engine might make 14hp 
with 
muffler, installed in the mower, if you're lucky. If that Snapper came with a 7 
or 8hp, I'd be looking at a 10.5hp at a minimum.
You know those $799 lawn tractors with the $500 vertical shaft engines in them? 
Try to find one at a garage sale for $100.

Mitch.


  
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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[Curt Raymond]

Try the other rental agencies. I once rented in Buffalo and drove to Boston, 
most agencies wouldn't I forget which one it was that finally let me, Hertz 
maybe?

Otherwise call the airport limo folks, that kind of ride during daytime hours 
is going to be around $75 I'd think, plus a tip.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:33:45 -0500
From: Donald Snook 
Subject: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
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I
may be flying to Chicago this weekend (or in the next two weeks) to
pick up a car I may be buying.  I have to figure out how to get from
Airport (O'Hare or Midway) to East Dundee, IL (about 40-50 miles).  I
tried enterprise rent a car but they won't let you rent a car at the
airport and return it to the suburbs.  Anyone have any ideas?

Donald H. Snook



  
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[LarryT]

That's always made me wonder too - a $30k car (average price these days) 
with a DP of say, $5000 in the form of a trade in and you're still financing 
$25k.  Even at a cut rate interest rate od 3.99% the monthly payment is 
~$460/mo.  Add a house/apt - $800 min - and you're up to $1260. add  food 
and you're at $1560 which is $18720 per year.  To make that you;d need to 
earn ~$25000 per year.  But to be realistic you need little details like 
insurance, gas, maintanence, utilities (not insignificant) so it's hard to 
image how people afford new cars much less $50K SUVs.


LarryT

"If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs."


- Original Message - 
From: "Mountain Man" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts



Rick wrote:

1. If you are trying to get debt free, buying a car on credit is like
driving the wrong way up a one way street.


They need to sell the same product at 50 percent current price and I
might be able to qualify, but at $40k there is no way this old dude is
gonna even qualify for a car loan.  I have no idea what people do for
work to make that sort of money to afford new car payments, much less
mortgage or rent.  Of course, I still don't even make fresh out of
college wages that the newsmedia tells us, and I bin working for 35
years, and I even have one of dem coledg thingies in physics/math.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Michigan classifieds - W115, W123, W140, W202, R107

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

1985 300D is "a real tank" (whatever that means) but he fails to give color
scheme or how much rust, etc.


The car is in Michigan, of course it has rust, just can't see it in the one 
crappy picture. The pic shows silver paint (probably black interior), and the 
seller says "This car is rough and ready".


Given the price (around here, $1000-1500 is asking price for a non-runner) I'd 
take his word for the "rough" part.



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Re: [MBZ] Michigan classifieds - W115, W123, W140, W202, R107

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

1985 300D is "a real tank" (whatever that means) but he fails to give color
scheme or how much rust, etc.


The car is in Michigan, the pic shows silver paint (probably black interior), 
and the seller says "This car is rough and ready".


Given the price (around here, $1000-1500 is asking price for a non-runner) I'd 
take his word for the "rough" part.



http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/1244804483.html


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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[ernest breakfield]

   (considering that this bill was only passed by tacking it onto a 
slam-dunk military spending bill, it's a safe guess that the supporters 
didn't want it evaluated on its own merits,...! nonetheless, it had a 
few changes made to it along the way that made it *slightly* less of a 
farce,...)



some details from here:
http://www.cars.gov/

# have a "new" combined city/highway fuel economy of 18 miles per gallon 
or less
(check here for your exact vehicle to see what they list it at; 
depending on which truck you have, it probably will not qualify.)

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

# be in drivable condition
(i haven't found that defined anywhere in any more detail but the fact 
that you can drive it there might suggest that it should qualify. i 
imagine the dealers don't really care, since it' required to be scrapped 
anyway; another dirty little detail, since scrapping cars arguably 
creates more of an environmental issue than it allegedly resolves,...!)


# be continuously insured and registered to the same owner for the full 
year preceding the trade-in



cheers!
e


Allan Streib wrote:


I bet nobody knows.  I bet nobody read the legislation.  All I've ever
heard was that they had to be titled, licensed, insured by the current
owner for at least a year.

As far as it being a good deal, consider that you'll lose your "clunker
cash" in depreciation as soon as you drive the new car off the lot.


Allan
--
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:50 -0500, "harry watkins"  wrote:


  

I am watching this thread with interest.  I have a 1995 Toyota pickup
with a blown head gasket, but  I should be able to drive it to a
dealership. Are the clunkers required to be running?
  

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Donald Snook]

Jim wrote: "I don't know who you are referring to as the "old dude."  I started 
"this X" is colloquial English for "I."


Huh? What?

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Donald Snook]

Wilton wrote: "Me too, and I'm 75."

You are still young! My grandmother was 94 when she died and she was driving up 
to the last 3 months of her life. She was actually a pretty good driver.  AND 
she didn't like an old lady, her problem was speeding tickets!  In fact, she 
was driving the Senior Center Van as a volunteer when she was a much younger 90 
years old and got a speeding ticket in the van.  The officer told her she was 
speeding and she said "Madge was yelling at me that she was going to be late to 
Bingo!"   The officer busted up laughing and let Grandma go with only a warning.


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Re: [MBZ] Michigan classifieds - W115, W123, W140, W202, R107

[andrew strasfogel]

1985 300D is "a real tank" (whatever that means) but he fails to give color
scheme or how much rust, etc.



On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> $3000 W140 500SEL. Ghetto wheels & stereo, new engine wiring harness.
> http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/1238532726.html
>
> $3000 C220
> http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/1226902486.html
>
> 1976 240D, $2500:
> http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1243937407.html
>
> 1985 300D, $1100:
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/1244804483.html
>
> 1982 380SL, $3000:
> http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/1244983066.html
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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[andrew strasfogel]

There's a limo service to Argonne Labs and maybe for other places roughtly
that distance.  Suggest you Google "limousines for O'hare"

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> I may be flying to Chicago this weekend (or in the next two weeks) to pick
> up a car I may be buying.  I have to figure out how to get from Airport
> (O'Hare or Midway) to East Dundee, IL (about 40-50 miles).  I tried
> enterprise rent a car but they won't let you rent a car at the airport and
> return it to the suburbs.  Anyone have any ideas?
>
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[MBZ] Michigan classifieds - W115, W123, W140, W202, R107

[Mitch Haley]

$3000 W140 500SEL. Ghetto wheels & stereo, new engine wiring harness.
http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/1238532726.html

$3000 C220
http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/1226902486.html

1976 240D, $2500:
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1243937407.html

1985 300D, $1100:
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/1244804483.html

1982 380SL, $3000:
http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/1244983066.html


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[MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

[Donald Snook]

I may be flying to Chicago this weekend (or in the next two weeks) to pick up a 
car I may be buying.  I have to figure out how to get from Airport (O'Hare or 
Midway) to East Dundee, IL (about 40-50 miles).  I tried enterprise rent a car 
but they won't let you rent a car at the airport and return it to the suburbs.  
Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: [MBZ] NOS parts motherlode

[winmutt]

Does he have any 5cyl M injection pumps? OM606 pump? W123 steering 
boxes? Burlwood? W123 amg or other exotic?


-Rolf

Christopher McCann wrote:
SO, I'm friends with the owner of the local Indy shop. He just moved from one part of KC to another, after 26 years in the same location. He asked me if I'd like to help him sell his old stock. SURE! 


So I started putting some stuff up on Ebay this weekend. If you're interested, 
here is the auction number of one item: 200357443812
from there, you can click to see my other auctions. 


There are THOUSANDS of parts to sell, so if you're looking for something, let 
me know (part number is nice, but I'll try to find it for you if you don't 
know). I'll let you know if I have the part. I am free to set the price, as 
long as it's reasonable. The owner wants the parts OUT of the warehouse, so I 
can pretty much beat any other price.

Some rare things in there (tail lights for 600 limo) to brand new 123 fenders. 
Most stuff is genuine MB, but some is aftermarket.

Chris




  


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[MBZ] Cheap 190E

[Donald Snook]

http://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/1248880098.html

not mine, no affiliation, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] speaking of compressors

[Rusty Cullens]

They all rebuild very well.

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] speaking of compressors


So we know rebuilt r4 compressors are not worth a crap.  What about 
rebuilt a6's or nippo?  Are those decent or also should only use new?  
What about rebuilt Yorks?


--
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89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] NOS parts motherlode

[Russ Williams]

Hi Chris,

I'm looking for a Manual Tranny for my 83 240D.
Got one laying the shop??

Russ W.

Christopher McCann wrote:
SO, I'm friends with the owner of the local Indy shop. He just moved from one part of KC to another, after 26 years in the same location. He asked me if I'd like to help him sell his old stock. SURE! 


So I started putting some stuff up on Ebay this weekend. If you're interested, 
here is the auction number of one item: 200357443812
from there, you can click to see my other auctions. 


There are THOUSANDS of parts to sell, so if you're looking for something, let 
me know (part number is nice, but I'll try to find it for you if you don't 
know). I'll let you know if I have the part. I am free to set the price, as 
long as it's reasonable. The owner wants the parts OUT of the warehouse, so I 
can pretty much beat any other price.

Some rare things in there (tail lights for 600 limo) to brand new 123 fenders. 
Most stuff is genuine MB, but some is aftermarket.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[WILTON]

Me too, and I'm 75.  ;<))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts


MAO wrote:  "They need to sell the same product at 50 percent current 
price and I

might be able to qualify, but at $40k there is no way this old dude is
gonna even qualify for a car loan.  I have no idea what people do for
work to make that sort of money to afford new car payments, much less
mortgage or rent."

I don't know who you are referring to as the "old dude."  I started this 
thread, but don't know if you are responding to someone else's email. 
But, in case you are referring to me, I am 36 years old.  I may drive an 
old man's car, but I am far from old.


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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Jim Cathey]

I don't know who you are referring to as the "old dude."  I started


"this X" is colloquial English for "I."

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Mitch Haley]

5.5hp in a 2009 engine isn't squat.
The ratings have gotten out of hand, to where a 25hp engine might make 14hp with 
muffler, installed in the mower, if you're lucky. If that Snapper came with a 7 
or 8hp, I'd be looking at a 10.5hp at a minimum.
You know those $799 lawn tractors with the $500 vertical shaft engines in them? 
Try to find one at a garage sale for $100.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:

MAO wrote:  "They need to sell the same product at 50 percent current price and 
I
might be able to qualify, but at $40k there is no way this old dude is
gonna even qualify for a car loan.  I have no idea what people do for
work to make that sort of money to afford new car payments, much less
mortgage or rent."

I don't know who you are referring to as the "old dude." 


"This old dude" = "Me, myself & I" = "MAO"
In other words, knock 10% off a $45,000 E320D with a clunker trade, and still 
nobody would loan him the money for it. He might be surprised. I know guy who 
financed a new truck on a 36 month note with zero down (about $800 a month). He 
was too young to collect social security when he bought that truck, so all he 
had was a teacher's pension.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Allan Streib]

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:50 -0500, "harry watkins"  wrote:

> I am watching this thread with interest.  I have a 1995 Toyota pickup
> with a blown head gasket, but  I should be able to drive it to a
> dealership. Are the clunkers required to be running?


I bet nobody knows.  I bet nobody read the legislation.  All I've ever
heard was that they had to be titled, licensed, insured by the current
owner for at least a year.

As far as it being a good deal, consider that you'll lose your "clunker
cash" in depreciation as soon as you drive the new car off the lot.


Allan
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[MBZ] I've got Car Fever: was Re: Opinions about '89 300E

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: "The reserve is not even met at 1500, and I dont see you getting 
it that
cheap anyway."

You are probably right.  I think I have switched back to the Grand 
Marquis/Crown Vic search.  I found a '97 Grand Marquis with only 77,000 miles 
and its completely spotless.  I may be making a trip to Chicago.

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Curt Raymond]

I just talked about this with my mother-in-law the other day. People take 7 
year loans, thats how they pay for it...

My in-laws bought an '08 Ford Fusion for $3,000 under book. Nice car, lots of 
space. It replaces a Cherokee which I hated riding in the back of. The Fusion 
has the same space in the back seat with the front seats all the way back that 
the Cherokee had with the front seats pulled up. Much more suitable.
She's a little worried about it in the snow so I'm going to buy her snowtires. 
Nokians I think to fit with my Finnish heritage...


-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:03:36 -0500
From: Mountain Man 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Rick wrote:
> 1. If you are trying to get debt free, buying a car on credit is like
> driving the wrong way up a one way street.

They need to sell the same product at 50 percent current price and I
might be able to qualify, but at $40k there is no way this old dude is
gonna even qualify for a car loan.  I have no idea what people do for
work to make that sort of money to afford new car payments, much less
mortgage or rent.  Of course, I still don't even make fresh out of
college wages that the newsmedia tells us, and I bin working for 35
years, and I even have one of dem coledg thingies in physics/math.
mao


  
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Re: [MBZ] The Family Truckster

[Curt Raymond]

You thought wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTaTitRENDM

"You think you hate it now, wait till you drive it!"

-Curt


Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:35:11 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Family Truckster
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I thought it was a Road Queen Family Truckster?

--R

Donald Snook wrote:
>
I don't know how many of you are fans of National Lampoon's Vacation,
but I am a huge fan.  I laugh everytime I see that movie.  Here is a
guy who is an even bigger fan. He made his own Wagon-Queen Family
Truckster in Metallic Pea.
>
> http://www.myfamilytruckster.com/
>
> Donald H. Snook


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Curt Raymond]

Russ,

Can you check what Snapper he's got and what motor? The only one I can find on 
their website in vertical shaft (which the rear engine riders require) is only 
5.5hp. Most of the Snapper guys would scoff and say its too small but I'm 
curious.

Not curious to lay out $130 and find out but curious still.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:54:08 -0500
From: Russ Williams 
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Curt,

A Buddy replaced the engine on a Snapper he picked up for free (Dead engine)
with one from Harbor Freight. He's on his second season on it. So far he's
had no problems with it.
It's a Chinee rip off of the Honda design.

He figures if he gets two or three mowing seasons out of it he's got his
moneys worth.

The mowing season around here (South Louisiana) runs from Mar. to Nov.
He cuts 2 1/2 acres every week to two depending on the rain we get.

Russ W.


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawn mower

[Curt Raymond]

I probably should have mentioned that the problem is that its a vertical shaft 
motor and most of the less expensive motors are horizontal shaft...
A 601 would look probably look funny standing straight up. Might effect 
performance too.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:19:55 -0400
From: Frederick W Moir 
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Curt.
Harbor Freight?
2.2NA 102?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

At 01:48 PM 6/30/2009, you wrote:
>Anybody ever have a Snapper rear engine rider? I've got one that was 
>my great uncle's. Its a '65 with a '67 8hp Briggs that has zero 
>compression and rebuild kits are NLA. I figure to repower it with 
>something modern but I'm having a heckuva time finding something 
>affordable. I've got a newer used Techumseh but I'm already tired of 
>screwing with it. My mower has been sitting for 2 years now and I 
>figure the best/fastest way to get it going is to spend some money 
>on new parts. This'll also buy some space in my garage.
>
>I've been told not to go smaller than 8hp but my Dad claims he had 
>one (not a Snapper but similar) with a 5hp that was fine. The price 
>of the motor about doubles when you hit double digits and there are 
>very few 8hp motors to be had. Its too bad, I'd pay more if I could 
>get a Honda over a Briggs or Techumseh but I can't find one (unless 
>I want a $500 10hp) plus I want only recoil start and an engine 
>mounted gas tank.
>
>Ideas/sources? The best I've found so far is at Small Engine 
>warehouse, an 8hp Briggs for $380 which I think is actually a pretty 
>good engine, it holds 1 1/8qt of oil which seems like a lot for such 
>a small engine, most I've used only hold like 3/4qt.
>
>-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 240D for sale in the heartland

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: "naw, you dont have to unless you are in the neighborhood or 
something."

I don't remember what car it is.  Where is it in Wichita?

By the way, I know I don't have to.  But, if its convenient, I would be glad to 
take a look a look at it.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Repowering a lawnmower

[Curt Raymond]

The rear engined ones seem to do well in the mower races...

Last night I set to seeing what it would take to redo the carb on my spare 8hp. 
Looks like its actually not that bad. I'd messed with it last fall and got 
frustrated. Now that I've actually done some research it might work out.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:31:31 -0400
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How about a 350?  Then you could go to those redneck mower drag races.

--R


  
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

[Donald Snook]

MAO wrote:  "They need to sell the same product at 50 percent current price and 
I
might be able to qualify, but at $40k there is no way this old dude is
gonna even qualify for a car loan.  I have no idea what people do for
work to make that sort of money to afford new car payments, much less
mortgage or rent."

I don't know who you are referring to as the "old dude."  I started this 
thread, but don't know if you are responding to someone else's email.  But, in 
case you are referring to me, I am 36 years old.  I may drive an old man's car, 
but I am far from old.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] RENNtech sex on wheels

[Hendrik & Fay]

Yeah they did a fantastic job on the interior and here I thought that by 
the 90's THOSE interiors where NLA.


Hendrik

LarryT wrote:
The 500E was always a special car - The engines were hand built & 
installed by Porsche in very limited numbers - pretty expensive 
iirc.   Renntech has made this one even more special.


Awesome car -

LarryT




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Re: [MBZ] I REALLY like these cars but don't want to spend money!

[Hendrik & Fay]

Strange isn't it, every body wants a A124 but no one is willing to pay 
good money for a good example.

I think the law of supply and demand comes into play.

Hendrik
who also lusts after the A124

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

Yes-Amen. I have been lusting in my heart for one of these. Here in NE they
list for 12-19K. I might consider 10K-if I had it at the time. 


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.

  



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