date:20100203

Well-formed nodes in that element.

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:12 -0500, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> Rich Thomas wrote:
> > So his sister has mini Tatas?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] hi, altitude

Depends on how slow you want to go up the mountain ---

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
>
>> My '70 220D had a manual altitude compensating adjustment on the top rear
>> of
>> the IP - It was marked in 2k increments, IIRC. You had to get out, open
>> the
>> hood, and turn it to match your altitude.
>>
>
> Isn't it easier to back off the throttle until the black cloud subsides?
>
> Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs

2010-02-03 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:22:08 -0600 "R A Bennell"  wrote:

> My basic thought was a bad capacitor as this sounds like the typical
> hum one would get if trying to operate a car radio that expects DC with
> a cheap transformer providing AC. Don't they normally use capacitors as
> filters?

They do, and electrolytics can dry out. Open it carefully and replace the
capacitor. Pay attention to voltage rating and polarity as well as
capacitance.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?


Bodacious.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:

So his sister has mini Tatas?


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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?


Rich Thomas wrote:

So his sister has mini Tatas?


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/11/17/633940771190419310-computergirls.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] hi, altitude


OK Don wrote:

My '70 220D had a manual altitude compensating adjustment on the top rear of
the IP - It was marked in 2k increments, IIRC. You had to get out, open the
hood, and turn it to match your altitude.


Isn't it easier to back off the throttle until the black cloud subsides?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] For this money you'd think he'd remove the snow before taking pics


Looks like y'all get powder-blue snow there?

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Re: [MBZ] How can I replase the salvaje title with a neu one?


You need to give some advise to this looser.

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?


So his sister has mini Tatas?

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Redghost wrote:
There is a small timer I used to go check his cars out.  Indian guy 
with a penchant for jags and benz.  He was not too keyed in about the 
issues with each marque, but he could talk a fast game.  I think he 
got the lot from his dad.


Now this is not on a corner, the 7-11 had that spot.  He was next 
parcel down from the corner on the busy thoroughfare.   Dad has the 
other parcel next to the 7-11 kitty corner from the car lot.  Dad ran 
the repair shop for Benz and jags.  There was as walk through at the 
corners to get to each store.


Never purchased from him.  He had an SDL on the lot that I was 
enamored of.  After looking at it hard and talking with him a bunch, I 
decided it would be about as good a purchase as the POS SDL.  Had the 
trap, #14 head and I suspect it needed a head gasket.


clay

oh yeah, he went out of business and his sister is now repping Tata 
type indian mini car things.  Not sure if she actually has any to sell 
from the factory.





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[MBZ] Memorial to the 115 240D, Re: CL annoyances

2010-02-03 Thread Tim C.

It's in my driveway, feel free to stop by with your mechanic and take a 
look.  If you call before you come I'll make sure the battery is charged.  
Durham NC 27705.

:)

Seriously: dark brown in and out, the one that lost oil pressure in the 
interstate a few months ago (maybe almost a year now?), that story should 
be in archives (as is my address).  US, auto, NA of course.  Believe it is 
the original 616 engine, as it has a separately-oiled injection pump 
without altitude compensation.  No bottom rust, a few poorly-treated spots 
of bird droppings on the roof and hood (expecting to use the random orbital 
and cover those with at least rattlecan before it's really up, so it has an 
honest chance).  Good interior, have to look and make sure it isn't leaking 
though.  Heater blower did -not- work, and had been replaced at least once 
before (hole around speaker).  Engine kind of weakly turns on the starter 
but with no oil pressure, and water system appears to be slowly leaking 
down since it has been parked.  Had the pencil glow plugs when I got it, 
unknown mileage (>>200k though I'd bet).

I think I'm the third owner, and that #1 dumped it two years back because 
the heater fan quit, based on my discussion with the prior-to-me owner.  AC 
worked well, though I think I had to have it in defrost mode - it's been a 
while, but I remember suspecting the freon tube was either bad or that I'd 
put it back in the wrong place when I did the cooling blower.  Factory 
Becker that I might keep, even though it needs some electrical work.  No 
maintenance records, but I have the original sales literature, and the 
print FSMs.

The thing I loved about it was that the transmission was perfect - super 
smooth, and wouldn't even hint at going backward in gear.  Ran well too, 
once it got going, and did fine going up and down the weak hills around 
here.  It has been parked since it failed, I haven't even taken off the oil 
pan or run a compression test - the 300D has taken all my auto service time 
(and money!).

I have until wife's patience runs out for the driveway to get cleared, so 
probably until March or April to make it gone on my terms before the junk 
men get it.  If that's it then I'll take the good bits (Becker, ACCI, 
pencil glow plugs, and the oddly-valuable radiator) off, but hopefully 
someone will have some time and space to put it back right - if I can keep 
the 300D from sinking all my time, and no one else has bitten by then, 
maybe I'll hide it in a storage unit near the office and work on it at 
lunchtimes.

It is difficult here as there are lots of 123s with fairly low miles 
getting dumped, and it's hard to justify a new or even used engine when you 
can get an entire mostly-rust-free 123 300D/DT (and even a few TDs and 
126s) with about 200Kmi for $500-$1500 basically once a week during spring 
and summer, and the occasional dirt-cheap semi-functioning 107.  I do like 
the 115 style but that only is worth so much effort.

I paid too much for it, but if nothing else it got me out of Volvos and 
into diesels so it was probably a reasonable ROI.  I still kind of want to 
keep it, since I like its look and I know everything that's wrong on it, 
but I'm not giving it a good home, and it just seems sad to let it 
deteriorate.

Letting go is hard to do...

-Tim

> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: 10-02-03, 19:42:47
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances
> 
> tell me about this 115 240D
> 
> Tim C wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:37 PM, R A Bennell  wrote:
> >   
> >> I was trying to sell an F150 last fall. We ended up keeping it and my 
elder son is driving it this winter since no
> >> one seemed willing to pay anything reasonable for it. I had one 
fellow make me an offer online without seeing it. I
> >> asked him by return if he understoood that I had a good argument that 
we had a binding deal if I accepted his offer
> >> and could sue him if he did not follow through with his payment. I 
did not hear any more from him. However, he
> >> probably just wrote me off as some sort of nut. Since then, if I get 
what amounts to a silly offer, I usually just
> >> don't bother to respond.
> >> 
> >
> > When I sold my Mazda Protege, it was a good car for a college kid and
> > I was asking an appropriate amount for that - nonetheless people would
> > offer me $200 etc. sight unseen, but no one really was interested in
> > coming out to look at it.  I listed everything good and bad - had a
> > lot of time in that car, and a few years of progressive maintenance.
> > (This was pre-Craigslist, back in Usenet days.)  After a couple weeks
> > I listed it in the paper with a 10-word description and sold it a few
> > days later.
> >
> > When I  sell my '92 Volvo 940 on CL a few years ago, I had
> > virtually no interest.  Three offers of $100 as a junk car, and a
> > couple of vaguely curious people who were asking questions like it was
> > a tot

Re: [MBZ] MB prices

I like that attitude!

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:19 PM, E M  wrote:

> No, only the ones with broken evaps have the problem. The rest are fine.
> hee
> hee.
>
> Ed
> 300E


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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

When you join a list like this?

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

>
> When does a hobby turn into a sickness?
>
> Donald H. Snook
>

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Re: [MBZ] MB prices

No, only the ones with broken evaps have the problem. The rest are fine. hee
hee.

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 22:11, OK Don  wrote:

> Don't all the 124's have the "evap problem"?
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>
> > What is a 93 400E with 79K miles worth.  Very good shape.  But, the evap
> > has not been done.  The '93 has that problem doesn't it?
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?

Very kind of you to not point out all the typos in that last post Wilton.

Ed

On 3 February 2010 22:06, WILTON  wrote:

> Possibly.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "E M" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?
>
>
>
>  What you want to bet, his father owner a vacuum repair shop.  ;-)
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
>>
>> On 3 February 2010 19:56, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>>  WILTON wrote:
>>>
>>>  I learned that some time in late '70's, an oil furnace repairman used it
 to clean her furnace, and she stopped using it shortly thereafter -
 'said it
 wouldn't work.


>>> I wonder how many innocent customers' vacuums that guy killed in his
>>> career.
>>>
>>> Mitch.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT : Comcast Security McAfee vs Norton

I agree with Allen ---

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> For XP or newer, I'd be inclined to go with Microsoft Security
> Essentials now, vs. either of these.  You need to have a genuine
> licensed install of the OS not a cracked copy though.
>
> If you want something else that's free, I like Avast!
>
> Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?

I was using an old tank vacuum (probably ealry '60s) with my $4 oil sucker -
but I think I burned out the motor (based on decreased RPM and bunrt wire
smell) the last time I used it - have to find another!

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> ., I use the '54 vac cleaner now to operate my $2 sucker.
>
> Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] MB prices

Don't all the 124's have the "evap problem"?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> What is a 93 400E with 79K miles worth.  Very good shape.  But, the evap
> has not been done.  The '93 has that problem doesn't it?
>
> Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?


Possibly.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?



What you want to bet, his father owner a vacuum repair shop.  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 19:56, Mitch Haley  wrote:


WILTON wrote:


I learned that some time in late '70's, an oil furnace repairman used it
to clean her furnace, and she stopped using it shortly thereafter - 
'said it

wouldn't work.



I wonder how many innocent customers' vacuums that guy killed in his
career.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] A car for Gary 1995 MB S600 sedan ARMORED LEVEL : CEN B6 - $30000

bet this one doesn't get 40 mpg. lol

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 21:59, OK Don  wrote:

> "as the car weighs over 7,000 pounds"
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
> > 3mpg and 0-60 in 3 minutes!  That thing must weigh about 6 tons!
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > SteveB wrote:
> >
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/1583733207.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

Yes, significantly.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

WILTONwrote:

As you may know, there's a certain image that I try to AVOID - there are
certain cars that I don't want to be seen in or near for fear that 
somebody
may think I like them.   BTW, the car that I drive most is 23 years old, 
and

my other one is 19 years old.  ;<)

...hmmm
Someone might think you are "robbing the cradle"?
Aren't you a bit older than the 19 & 23 year-old gals you drive crazy?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] A car for Gary 1995 MB S600 sedan ARMORED LEVEL : CEN B6 - $30000

"as the car weighs over 7,000 pounds"

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> 3mpg and 0-60 in 3 minutes!  That thing must weigh about 6 tons!
>
> --R
>
>
> SteveB wrote:
>
>> Steve
>>
>> http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/1583733207.html
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Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?

There are some that you don't flip???

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> for the record, I usually change them all at the same time, and if I have
> any that are good, I keep them for spares.  That is, unless I am working on
> a car I am going to flip or something, then I may just use the spares I have
> to replace dead ones.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] why drive a 40mpg 240D when you can drive this

You haven't bought it yet?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

>
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>  Original Message 
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> Date:   Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:31:32 -0800 (PST)
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>1995 mercedes benz S 500geat deal for really cheap
>
> Date: 2010-01-31, 2:56PM
>
>
> 1995 mecedes benz s class 500 great condition has 124k original millage
> runs and drives great gets 41 mpg high way and 35 city it is fully
> loaded has new michelin tires new brakes been well maintanced has good
> interior and body i am the 2nd owner i just need the money im asking
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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?

What you want to bet, his father owner a vacuum repair shop.  ;-)

Ed
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On 3 February 2010 19:56, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> WILTON wrote:
>
>> I learned that some time in late '70's, an oil furnace repairman used it
>> to clean her furnace, and she stopped using it shortly thereafter - 'said it
>> wouldn't work.
>>
>
> I wonder how many innocent customers' vacuums that guy killed in his
> career.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Dieseltech

So, why did MB sell manual tranny turbo Diesels to the rest of the world?
The technical data books clearly list such --- drivability can't be the
issue - perhaps emissions, but most likely their idea about our market.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Speaking of things Marshall was adamant about...
>
> So put it to rest, how bad is it from a dead stop with the 4spd? IIRC there
> was some rumor that MB never put a manual in the turbo cars because the
> turbo would lag so bad as to make the car undriveable. I think Marshall's
> assertion was that the emissions would rise every time you clutched to
> shift...




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Re: [MBZ] hi, altitude

My '70 220D had a manual altitude compensating adjustment on the top rear of
the IP - It was marked in 2k increments, IIRC. You had to get out, open the
hood, and turn it to match your altitude.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I drove my original 200D (w/o altitude comp) over the continental divide on
> I80 decades ago andd it smoked like a 1870 coal fired locomotive going
> uphill.  Maybe 15 years ago I drove the Hawaii 200D up to the Mauna Kea
> Visitors Center (under 10,000 Ft) and it didn't smoke much at all.  Not sure
> why the difference.  The Mauna Kea trip started to overheat the car (we had
> 4 adults and 2 kids aboard) so I did not drive to the 13,800 ft summit
>
> I never had a theory as to why one smoked worse than the other.
>
>
>  > ...I did drive a turbo-automatic up Pike's Peak. (14,100 ft/4,300
>>
>>>  m). Up there it had turbo lag! Just about couldn't move even in
>>>  first until the turbo spooled up. Then it was effectively normal...
>>>
>>> When my 300D was new, I drove it to the top condos (1 ft) at Snowmass
>> CO with it's supposed 77hp. Full throttle, 1st gear, 4mph. Many smoke out
>> back. Oy vey the nailing. What barometric compensation?
>>
>> RLE
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


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Re: [MBZ] 300SD MASSIVE OIL LEAK

2010-02-03 Thread Dan Weeks

As you all suggested, the problem was a leak in top line to the oil  
cooler, as  a result of a loose belt that nicked the hose, as the  
result of a bent alternator belt tensioner. Had to disconnect the  
engine mounts and jack up the engine to get the line out. No leak now,  
though. Thanks for the tip-- dead on, as usual.


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Re: [MBZ] R&R of 124 combo switch

There's a rubber flex disk in all of the MB steering shafts I've looked at -
but I don't know that there isn't a direct connecting center shaft that I
can't see - having never dis-assembled one.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM,  wrote:

> Buyer Beware, the force you rap the shaft with will be transmitted to the
> steering box. May or may not be good for it. One steering box would buy a
> bunch of pullers.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

2010-02-03 Thread Mountain Man

WILTONwrote:
> As you may know, there's a certain image that I try to AVOID - there are
> certain cars that I don't want to be seen in or near for fear that somebody
> may think I like them.   BTW, the car that I drive most is 23 years old, and
> my other one is 19 years old.  ;<)

...hmmm
Someone might think you are "robbing the cradle"?
Aren't you a bit older than the 19 & 23 year-old gals you drive crazy?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] kaleb bring your trailer


damn, oh well

Allan Streib wrote:

About 2 hours away.


On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:40 -0600, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
  

Is that anywhere near you?  Im about half way interested.

Allan Streib wrote:


http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1583716841.html

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

2010-02-03 Thread Redghost


Nope, the sister has a Sari

clay

On Feb 3, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Redghost wrote:
oh yeah, he went out of business and his sister is now repping Tata  
type
indian mini car things.  Not sure if she actually has any to sell  
from the factory.


Is this her?

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/8/27/633869903638609460-helppolice.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] kaleb bring your trailer

About 2 hours away.


On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:40 -0600, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> Is that anywhere near you?  Im about half way interested.
> 
> Allan Streib wrote:
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>  91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 
>  85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] kaleb bring your trailer


Is that anywhere near you?  Im about half way interested.

Allan Streib wrote:

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1583716841.html

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85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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[MBZ] Someone want a ponton?

Doesn't look rusty in these pics, but hard to say...  It'd be nice to see this 
one find a good home.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1578270659.html

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?


Redghost wrote:
 oh yeah, he went out of business and his sister is now repping Tata type
indian mini car things.  Not sure if she actually has any to sell from 
the factory.


Is this her?

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[MBZ] For this money you'd think he'd remove the snow before taking pics

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1582997126.html

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[MBZ] kaleb bring your trailer

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1583716841.html

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Re: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995

2010-02-03 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr

Ad says cosmetics-for the price it better be just lipstick. 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995

Dwight's in love with 'em...

Wonder whats wrong with that one.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:34:13 -0500
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995
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http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1583117207.html

Wasn't someone(s) interested in one of these?

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[MBZ] How can I replase the salvaje title with a neu one?

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/1576607434.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT : Comcast Security McAfee vs Norton

For XP or newer, I'd be inclined to go with Microsoft Security
Essentials now, vs. either of these.  You need to have a genuine
licensed install of the OS not a cracked copy though.

If you want something else that's free, I like Avast!

Allan

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:20 -0800, "Douglas"  wrote:
> I recently did some cleaning up on my nieces computer, when I built
> the thing sometime last year. I installed McAfee Security from
> Comcast. Now when restored the system (just windows XP home) I
> expected to get the comcast security McAfee. Now its Norton, years ago
> when I used Norton it was so slow! Also did anyone know that they
> changed vendors?
>
> My own systems use McAfee, have 4 computers at the house. I am looking
> for any rants or raves from you guys on these 2 products.
>
> respectfully Douglas
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[MBZ] OT : Comcast Security McAfee vs Norton

2010-02-03 Thread Douglas

I recently did some cleaning up on my nieces computer, when I built the thing 
sometime last year. I installed McAfee Security from Comcast. Now when restored 
the system (just windows XP home) I expected to get the comcast security 
McAfee. Now its Norton, years ago when I used Norton it was so slow! Also did 
anyone know that they changed vendors?

My own systems use McAfee, have 4 computers at the house. I am looking for any 
rants or raves from you guys on these 2 products. 

respectfully Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

2010-02-03 Thread Redghost

There is a small timer I used to go check his cars out.  Indian guy  
with a penchant for jags and benz.  He was not too keyed in about the  
issues with each marque, but he could talk a fast game.  I think he  
got the lot from his dad.


Now this is not on a corner, the 7-11 had that spot.  He was next  
parcel down from the corner on the busy thoroughfare.   Dad has the  
other parcel next to the 7-11 kitty corner from the car lot.  Dad ran  
the repair shop for Benz and jags.  There was as walk through at the  
corners to get to each store.


Never purchased from him.  He had an SDL on the lot that I was  
enamored of.  After looking at it hard and talking with him a bunch, I  
decided it would be about as good a purchase as the POS SDL.  Had the  
trap, #14 head and I suspect it needed a head gasket.


clay

oh yeah, he went out of business and his sister is now repping Tata  
type indian mini car things.  Not sure if she actually has any to sell  
from the factory.



On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:51 AM, E M wrote:

Here most small dealers have connections, or hook up with a  
mechanic, to do
what work is needed on the cars.  All cars must pass a safety and  
emissions
test too.  Sure, always ways to be dodgy about it, but once a  
dealer, even a

small dealer, there are laws that give the buyer some protection, over
buying private.  Most of the curbside dealers have been done away with
here.  I think some of the laws have recently hanged here as well,  
where
even small dealers are required to have a service bay at their place  
of
business.  Not 100%, but a friend was looking into it, and mentioned  
it to

me.

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 11:18, Alex Chamberlain   
wrote:



On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:16 AM, E M  wrote:
If you keep making money on your hobby, it may turn into a job,  
not a

sickness.


I'm sure I'm not the only person on this list who has toyed with the
idea of becoming a small-time used-car dealer as a full-time job.  I
don't know what it's like in other places, but here in Portland there
are a tremendous number of dealers specializing in late-model luxury
cars that seem to be one- or two-man operations operating with
extremely low overhead.  They have a warehouse in an out-of-the-way
industrial park where the rents are cheap, with a dozen or two cars  
in

it at any one time.  They advertise primarily on Craigslist or Auto
Trader, again to keep costs down.

I suspect a majority of the cars sold this way have been purchased at
dealer auctions in other states.  Problem is, auction cars are, as a
rule, crap; new car dealers keep good trade-ins for their used lot,
and dump the rest.  You can give them a thorough detail to make them
look like creampuffs to the unsuspecting buyer, but they're still,
ultimately, crap.  So it's not a particularly honest nor honorable  
way

to make a living.

Alex

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[MBZ] Poutine gravy

2010-02-03 Thread Redghost

First off, that Poutine does not elicit a spell check problem is too  
cool.  Secondly anybody have a recipe for good poutine gravy?  I  
am still not pleased with my recent attempts.


clay


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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?


WILTON wrote:
I learned that some time in 
late '70's, an oil furnace repairman used it to clean her furnace, and 
she stopped using it shortly thereafter - 'said it wouldn't work.  


I wonder how many innocent customers' vacuums that guy killed in his career.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Airplane 101


LWB250 wrote:

Interesting rebranding.

http://www.psfk.com/2010/02/kulula-airplane-rebranding.html


Is that for the passengers or for the flight crew?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

You are talking about wholesalers.  They come in, buy dealer trades, 
then resell them to other indi used car dealers.  Depending on the 
market, they will send them to auction if they are sitting around too 
long.  Depending on how they have them floored, each day they are 
sitting costs them money.


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

I'm not sure it's true that auction cars are crap.  I've bought two, and
both were great values.  A '96 Infiniti, 3 years old at the time, for
$7k (Wife still driving/loving 10+ years later), and an '85 123.190 for
$1100, which I sold three years later for $2300.  Most of the crap at
the auctions I've been to was very apparent as crap and easily avoided,
but there is a big risk.  


A friend looking for a used Toyota Camry locally said that the new car
dealers he visited put all their trade-ins for the week in the back lot,
on Saturday or Sunday the "Auction Guys" would come through and make
offers/take their pick (to re-sell at the dealer only auction), and what
was left over would either be sold at the dealer's used car lot or at
the public auto auction.  These dealers were not interested in putting
any effort into selling their trade-ins, so the best went to auction or
got picked-off by the employees.  Several of the Toyota dealer mechanics
would skim - fix - resell as well, for personal gain on after-hours, but
they stuck to the Toyotas.

-Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:16 AM, E M  wrote:
  
If you keep making money on your hobby, it may turn into a job, not a 
sickness.



I'm sure I'm not the only person on this list who has toyed with the
idea of becoming a small-time used-car dealer as a full-time job.  I
don't know what it's like in other places, but here in Portland there
are a tremendous number of dealers specializing in late-model luxury
cars that seem to be one- or two-man operations operating with extremely
low overhead.  They have a warehouse in an out-of-the-way industrial
park where the rents are cheap, with a dozen or two cars in it at any
one time.  They advertise primarily on Craigslist or Auto Trader, again
to keep costs down.

I suspect a majority of the cars sold this way have been purchased at
dealer auctions in other states.  Problem is, auction cars are, as a
rule, crap; new car dealers keep good trade-ins for their used lot, and
dump the rest.  You can give them a thorough detail to make them look
like creampuffs to the unsuspecting buyer, but they're still,
ultimately, crap.  So it's not a particularly honest nor honorable way
to make a living.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances


tell me about this 115 240D

Tim C wrote:

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:37 PM, R A Bennell  wrote:
  

I was trying to sell an F150 last fall. We ended up keeping it and my elder son 
is driving it this winter since no
one seemed willing to pay anything reasonable for it. I had one fellow make me 
an offer online without seeing it. I
asked him by return if he understoood that I had a good argument that we had a 
binding deal if I accepted his offer
and could sue him if he did not follow through with his payment. I did not hear 
any more from him. However, he
probably just wrote me off as some sort of nut. Since then, if I get what 
amounts to a silly offer, I usually just
don't bother to respond.



When I sold my Mazda Protege, it was a good car for a college kid and
I was asking an appropriate amount for that - nonetheless people would
offer me $200 etc. sight unseen, but no one really was interested in
coming out to look at it.  I listed everything good and bad - had a
lot of time in that car, and a few years of progressive maintenance.
(This was pre-Craigslist, back in Usenet days.)  After a couple weeks
I listed it in the paper with a 10-word description and sold it a few
days later.

When I  sell my '92 Volvo 940 on CL a few years ago, I had
virtually no interest.  Three offers of $100 as a junk car, and a
couple of vaguely curious people who were asking questions like it was
a total rust bucket with no maintenance that hadn't been driven for
years.  Donated it to the local NPR affiliate, who auctioned it off
for more than I was asking, and I did scads better than $100 with the
tax deduction while making the world safe for humanity.

In retrospect, my problem in both cases was that
 - I knew precisely all (and I do mean all) of the positives and negatives, and
 - I listed them in the ad in friendly "good" and "bad" sections.
If I had listed the Volvo as "runs, new tires, black" I'd probably
have gotten a few dozen gawkers and a few realistic offers, given my
proximity to Chapel Hill and the other ads I've seen.  Instead
everyone seemed to think it must be a thousand times worse than I was
describing and so stayed away, at least based on a couple e-mail
trains from the time.  It strikes me as absurd, and it wastes
everyone's time, but it's like folks are expecting to get "taken for a
ride" when they go to buy a car, and so can't believe that anyone
would really have disclosed -everything- that they know/suspect is
wrong.

Long and short, when I list my W115 240D - which still lacks a
functional engine, and that I think SWMBO has decided (recognized?)
I'm too lazy to get and install, and so now wants out of the driveway
- it will be short and sweet (and of course accurate).  If you ask a
knowledgeable question I will reply with a knowledgeable answer.  If
you ask a stupid question I will reply succinctly and encourage you to
come look at it with a mechanically-inclined friend.  I'm a lousy
salesman so there's a decent chance it will still end up on the NPR
scrapper's block... but we'll see.

-Tim

PS:
'98 Volvo V70XC for sale.  Engine, two transmissions, some metal and
glass, and lots of OEM parts assembled into a station-wagon-like body.
 Gray.  Needs tires... wheels... axles... transfer case... an
interior... other miscellaneous parts.  Clear title!  Will include
wall oven and several gallons of used motor oil for the right offer.

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91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 
85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] MB prices

Its been sitting outside for the last several years, although under a 
car cover.  I dont think its rusting out, need to look at it.


E M wrote:

Keep it as dry as you can until you get around to it.  Yeah, my old Pontiac
was the one I got my license in too, as well as doing a little driving
before I was 16, on private roads of course.

Ed
300E

On 2 February 2010 21:55, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

  

I plan on restoring it, well, I have planned on restoring it for many
years.  I need to get that car done.  Its the car I took my drivers license
test in.

E M wrote:



My first car was my Grandmothers old Pontiac LeMans.  I was unable to keep
it due to limited space living in the city, and it was a very standard 4
door car, but what I wouldn't give to have it back now!!  Whatever you do,
running or not, don't part with your Grandmother's old Benz, you'll regret
it!

With all your cars, why not restore it and do a Leno on it, and shoehorn
in
something really interesting?  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 1 February 2010 20:42, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:



  

Thats one of my favorite things to do is get ahold of a car with all the
receipts, and look back thru them.  The car that started it all for me,
my
grandmothers 76 240D, which is sitting out back waiting for me to drop an
engine in, has all the receipts since day 1 up till about 97 or so when
the
engine locked up (yes, I have had this car sitting around that long STILL
waiting to do the engine swap, am I lazy or what).  My first car I bought
when I was 16 a 79 240D had all the receipts on it as well  I have had a
few
other cars with lots or records but those are the 2 that come to mind as
most complete.

Rich Thomas wrote:





I bought the 84 300SD about a year ago, and have two big brown envelopes
full of everything, maybe a couple of receipts missing, from the
original
invoice and bill of sale.  It was a lot of fun looking through it all.

--R




  

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85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives

2010-02-03 Thread ernest breakfield

peter,

i've had good luck with the Kershaw Onion series; very easy to open
with one hand, and more importantly lock both open *and* closed. (this
might be more important to people who commute on 2 wheels, as it's
preferable to many to have a knife *stay* closed if there's a chance you
might fall on it...)

i've only had Leek and Scallion models, both of which have the
Speedsafe opening feature. all of the ones i've had are labeled US made,
though i understand some models now are not. looking through the details
on the various offerings, it looks like there is even some choice as to
what materials the blades are made of, and a variety of blade types and
coatings.
while they might not meet the scrutiny of a serious knife
connoisseur, they've been very cost-effective for me for what i've used
them for, and i haven't had any problems with any that would cause be to
hesitate to recommend them.

cheers!
e

pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
I've somehow lost my favored S&W pocket knife, I'm looking to replace it with another high quality knife. I've looked at Gerber and S&W. They are now massed produced off shore and the quality has suffered. My test is to try to move the open blade side to side, I expect VERY little on better no movement. I also do not favor a belt hook,

Feel free to chime in if you have a opinion.

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Re: [MBZ] Airplane 101

lol


On 3 February 2010 18:43, Rich Thomas
wrote:

> *Captain Oveur *: You ever been in a
> cockpit before?
> *Joey *: No sir, I've never been up
> in a plane before.
> *Captain Oveur *: You ever seen a
> grown man naked?
>
> --R
>
>
> E M wrote:
>
>> Hope they're not there as reminders for the pilots. hee hee
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
>>
>> On 3 February 2010 18:16, LWB250  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Interesting rebranding.
>>>
>>> http://www.psfk.com/2010/02/kulula-airplane-rebranding.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Airplane 101


That's good.  ;<))

Wilton

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From: "LWB250" 

To: "Okie Benz" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Airplane 101



Interesting rebranding.

http://www.psfk.com/2010/02/kulula-airplane-rebranding.html


Dan


 



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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?


It is now a depreciated $152 sucker.  Probably worth about 37cents

--R

WILTON wrote:
In 1954 I bought my mother a vacuum cleaner; one of those horizontal 
tank types that slides along on the floor on coupla rails behind you 
as you pull it by the hose; probably 'bout $150.  I used it a couple 
of years later to spray paint my future FIL's fence; also spray 
painted rear fender on my '51 Chevy 'bout the same time.  After she 
died in '96, my sister gave me the '54 vac cleaner, and I learned that 
some time in late '70's, an oil furnace repairman used it to clean her 
furnace, and she stopped using it shortly thereafter - 'said it 
wouldn't work.  Sister bought her a new, smaller, canister-type vac 
cleaner.  Immediately when I got home with the '54 cleaner, I opened 
it to clean filter, etc.  Filter was completely blocked with soot, 
courtesy of the furnace repairman many years before.  After thorough 
cleaning of the filter, etc., I use the '54 vac cleaner now to operate 
my $2 sucker.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?


There's nothing like the good feeling you get after a successful DIY 
repair, and it's increased proportionally by the amount of money 
saved. The dog chewed the cord off my sister's Oreck vacuum cleaner 
just outside where it exits the machine.  Price for a new cord and 
labor was going to be $75, so there it sat for nearly 2 years.  It 
was too close to the case to put a splice right there, and it  would 
have looked ugly.  I flipped it over, removed the bottom screws,  
removed the connector to the motor and the wirenut to the switch and 
extracted what was left of the cord.  .  I trimmed back the cord to 
expose the two wires, stripped them, installed the cord into the 
gromet that holds it into the case, cut the connector and installed 
it onto the cord once again, slipped everything into place, 
reconnected the motor connector and the wirenut to the switch and it 
was done!!  The cord is about 1.5' shorter, but that's it.  It works 
just as well as it did, and I only charged my sister $50 :D


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] Airplane 101

*Captain Oveur *: You ever been in 
a cockpit before?
*Joey *: No sir, I've never been up 
in a plane before.
*Captain Oveur *: You ever seen a 
grown man naked?


--R

E M wrote:

Hope they're not there as reminders for the pilots. hee hee

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 18:16, LWB250  wrote:

  

Interesting rebranding.

http://www.psfk.com/2010/02/kulula-airplane-rebranding.html


Dan





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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

As you may know, there's a certain image that I try to AVOID - there are 
certain cars that I don't want to be seen in or near for fear that somebody 
may think I like them.   BTW, the car that I drive most is 23 years old, and 
my other one is 19 years old.  ;<)


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?


Most folks do not buy a car for the power or handling etc.They buy an 
image - especially if it is a Jag or
something similar. They want to be seen in the car. That is all that 
matters. They might learn to like the handling
etc and miss it if they swap to something lesser but they don't buy it for 
that reason in the first place.


Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?


You make some excellent points there.  I am reminded of a secretary we
had once at this place I worked for awhile (on site at A Government
Agency), an older woman who was, uh, not too bright.  Anyway, one day
she was talking about her new car her hubby had bought her, a new Jaguar
XJ, and how sporty and fast it was and all, and the radio and all the
gadgets and whatnot.  I asked her if she was up to exploring the
benefits of driving a powerful high-performance car like that, and she
looked at me and said, "Huh?"

Now that right there was a recipe for a complete disaster, maybe her
husband had a new girlfriend or something and the Jag was worth it.
But, she probably enjoyed it, and wouldn't have known the difference
between the XJ and a Toyota with a leaper on the hood.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?

In 1954 I bought my mother a vacuum cleaner; one of those horizontal tank 
types that slides along on the floor on coupla rails behind you as you pull 
it by the hose; probably 'bout $150.  I used it a couple of years later to 
spray paint my future FIL's fence; also spray painted rear fender on my '51 
Chevy 'bout the same time.  After she died in '96, my sister gave me the '54 
vac cleaner, and I learned that some time in late '70's, an oil furnace 
repairman used it to clean her furnace, and she stopped using it shortly 
thereafter - 'said it wouldn't work.  Sister bought her a new, smaller, 
canister-type vac cleaner.  Immediately when I got home with the '54 
cleaner, I opened it to clean filter, etc.  Filter was completely blocked 
with soot, courtesy of the furnace repairman many years before.  After 
thorough cleaning of the filter, etc., I use the '54 vac cleaner now to 
operate my $2 sucker.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Kraly" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?


There's nothing like the good feeling you get after a successful DIY 
repair, and it's increased proportionally by the amount of money saved. 
The dog chewed the cord off my sister's Oreck vacuum cleaner just outside 
where it exits the machine.  Price for a new cord and labor was going to 
be $75, so there it sat for nearly 2 years.  It was too close to the case 
to put a splice right there, and it  would have looked ugly.  I flipped it 
over, removed the bottom screws,  removed the connector to the motor and 
the wirenut to the switch and extracted what was left of the cord.  .  I 
trimmed back the cord to expose the two wires, stripped them, installed 
the cord into the gromet that holds it into the case, cut the connector 
and installed it onto the cord once again, slipped everything into place, 
reconnected the motor connector and the wirenut to the switch and it was 
done!!  The cord is about 1.5' shorter, but that's it.  It works just as 
well as it did, and I only charged my sister $50 :D


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

Well it is the universal dream after all. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 18:11, LWB250  wrote:

> Living in the limelight, are we?  Or subdivisions?
>
>
> "Fly By Night" Dan
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Allan Streib  wrote:
>
> > From: Allan Streib 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:13 AM
> > On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:47 -0500, "Tim
> > C" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'll tell my grandkids how in my youth I'd buy cars
> > and 'maintain' and
> > > 'repair' them and they'll look at me like I have two
> > heads.  Or maybe
> > > not, perhaps I'll have a harem of pristine W123s,
> > W124s, and W126s
> >
> > Or a Red Barchetta
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Re: [MBZ] Airplane 101

Hope they're not there as reminders for the pilots. hee hee

Ed
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On 3 February 2010 18:16, LWB250  wrote:

> Interesting rebranding.
>
> http://www.psfk.com/2010/02/kulula-airplane-rebranding.html
>
>
> Dan
>
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[MBZ] Airplane 101

2010-02-03 Thread LWB250

Interesting rebranding.

http://www.psfk.com/2010/02/kulula-airplane-rebranding.html


Dan


  


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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

2010-02-03 Thread LWB250

Living in the limelight, are we?  Or subdivisions?


"Fly By Night" Dan



--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Allan Streib  wrote:

> From: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:13 AM
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:47 -0500, "Tim
> C" 
> wrote:
> 
> > I'll tell my grandkids how in my youth I'd buy cars
> and 'maintain' and
> > 'repair' them and they'll look at me like I have two
> heads.  Or maybe
> > not, perhaps I'll have a harem of pristine W123s,
> W124s, and W126s
> 
> Or a Red Barchetta
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Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!

I saw one of those in Cambridge many years ago, was being used as 
working vehicle for some hippies.


--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

Oh, wow, a double decker VW:
http://youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny_Car_27.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?

2010-02-03 Thread Peter Hertzing

Couldn't agree more.  For true enviornmental impact no one talks about how
long you have to drive a hybred to make up for the polution making it and
destroying your old car.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:10 PM, E M  wrote:

> It's nice when things are designed to be repaired.  Fewer and fewer
> products
> these days are.  Nothing is greener than a product that can be rebuilt in
> my
> opinion.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 3 February 2010 15:52, Kevin Kraly  wrote:
>
> > There's nothing like the good feeling you get after a successful DIY
> > repair, and it's increased proportionally by the amount of money saved.
>  The
> > dog chewed the cord off my sister's Oreck vacuum cleaner just outside
> where
> > it exits the machine.  Price for a new cord and labor was going to be
> $75,
> > so there it sat for nearly 2 years.  It was too close to the case to put
> a
> > splice right there, and it  would have looked ugly.  I flipped it over,
> > removed the bottom screws,  removed the connector to the motor and the
> > wirenut to the switch and extracted what was left of the cord.  .  I
> trimmed
> > back the cord to expose the two wires, stripped them, installed the cord
> > into the gromet that holds it into the case, cut the connector and
> installed
> > it onto the cord once again, slipped everything into place, reconnected
> the
> > motor connector and the wirenut to the switch and it was done!!  The cord
> is
> > about 1.5' shorter, but that's it.  It works just as well as it did, and
> I
> > only charged my sister $50 :D
> >
> > Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Older MB's -was Fo-matic NOW garage complaint?

I once took my Chevy Suburban in to have the AC fixed. My truck sat on their 
lot from 8 AM to 6 PM when I went and
got it and they never even looked at it. It did get dented by a shopping cart 
that someone left on their lot and
that got pushed into my driver's front door somehow. The grocery store was not 
connected to their lot so it
shouldn't have been a risk but I guess someone living nearby used it to get the 
shopping home and left it on the
lot. Lots are never level of course for drainage purposes and carts move about.

I never went back there and they  have gone out of business since. The fellow 
who started the shop was good and I
got good service from him. He would lend me his personal vehicle if he could 
when I dropped mine off. They were
just a small independent shop and did not keep loaner vehicles. He went off to 
do other things and left it with a
manager who was supposed to buy it. Never happened and the whole thing fell 
apart. I heard later that the manager
had a drinking problem and I suppose that was the nail in the coffin. I think 
there is someone else in that spot
now and wonder if the original fellow was able to sell them his equipment for a 
reasonable price at least.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Older MB's -was Fo-matic


The local dealer has this program as well, but they left my 111 coupe under
the hot July sun for 3 days while their veteran "specialist" attempted
to sort out a computer problem on a later model MB under warwranty.  I
finally retrieved my car with no work having been done on it, and when I
opened the sunroof the gaskets tore off due to the hot sun's effect.  When I
complained to the service manager, he had the gall to go on the attack
and accuse me of poor maintenance practices.  Needless to say I took my
business elsewhere.

O


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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs

Mother is in a 6 story aparment building. I believe their electrical system is 
OK but have brought it with me to
try it at my house. I have meters etc and can test for that sort of thing. Only 
a 2 prong transformer of course so
no dedicated ground on it.

My basic thought was a bad capacitor as this sounds like the typical hum one 
would get if trying to operate a car
radio that expects DC with a cheap transformer providing AC. Don't they 
normally use capacitors as filters?

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:02 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs


Are the grounds all functioning as they should.  Do you have a small plug in
tester to check wall sockets ?

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 16:06, R A Bennell  wrote:

> More DIY repair thoughts.
>
> My mother's telephone answering machine is acting strange. It is a digital
> one so no tape. It appears to work in a
> normal fashion in the sense that it lights up, counts calls, will accept
> and hold a message, incoming and outgoing
> etc BUT it has an annoying hum. There is a backup 9V battery and an AC
> adapter that plugs into the wall. Hum goes
> away when the adapter is unplugged. A capacitor gone bad? Going to open it
> up and have a look but I am not exactly
> an electronics expert.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances

I have followed one rule, if the car is salty, it stays outdoors in the
cold!!  Salt is no friend to any car, but the real killer is when the car is
salty, then put into a semi heated garage wet.

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 15:47, WILTON  wrote:

> 'Thought so, but suddenly, I was unsure.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "R A Bennell" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances
>
>
>  Yes - Winnipeg. Manitoba is not quite so bad for salt on the roads as
>> other provinces but we still get a fair
>> amount put on the roads within the city - especially in intersections so
>> rust is still a problem. Not so bad as it
>> once was I think as cars are better undercoated etc but always an issue in
>> snow country.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of WILTON
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:02 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances
>>
>>
>> And this was where - in Canada?  I've forgotten.
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "R A Bennell" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances
>>
>>
>>  My brother in law once offered an old Ford pickup for sale for $400. He
>>> was truly amazed that several people called
>>> and asked if it had any rust. What were those people thinking? It had
>>> about as much rust as it had body. What did
>>> they think they would get for $400. It ran. It used oil and it was as
>>> ugly
>>> as sin. Brian is a mechanic by trade. He
>>> managed to keep it going for a couple of years but it was a $400 truck on
>>> a good day. Of course it had rust!
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:22 PM
>>> To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy wrote: "Come on, face it. Most of us are totally unreasonable when
>>> it comes to cars. We want a cream puff but
>>> we want it for the price of a POS. Almost no one keeps detailed records
>>> of
>>> cars and repairs. Almost no one has much
>>> of an idea of when a car should be serviced. We are the oddballs when it
>>> comes to cars and we should not expect
>>> that ads for cars will be realistic. People are trying to sell a vehicle
>>> they no longer want. If they were totally
>>> honest they would have a difficult time getting anyone to even look at
>>> it."
>>>
>>> I agree with you in general. The collective knowledge about cars on this
>>> list would stagger most people. I also
>>> agree that many of us are looking for the cream puff with the POS price.
>>> But, I am not totally ignorant of the
>>> fact that most people do not describe every possible flaw in their car
>>> when they are advertising it.  I expect most
>>> people to say something is in good condition.  But, when asked to expand
>>> on what that actually means, PROVIDE
>>> DETAILS - BE SPECIFIC.
>>>
>>> Of course, the car buying and car selling public doesn't know much about
>>> cars.  I read a review of a Ford Crown Vic
>>> that someone posted on MSN.  They were talking about all the problems
>>> with
>>> the car and then at the end they said,
>>> "I knew I should not have bought a General Motors car.  I will never buy
>>> anything from GM again."
>>>
>>> Sure, most of us are probably pretty picky.  But, I have driven some
>>> crappy cars before.  But, I paid a crappy car
>>> price for it.
>>>
>>> I bought a 1990 Buick LeSabre last year for $900.  When I called him, the
>>> seller said, "Its pretty nice.  Its got a
>>> lot of miles.  The paint is a little faded. It could probably use new
>>> tires.  Runs very well, and its $900."
>>>
>>> I looked at it and tried to get him down on the price.  He looked at me
>>> and said, "Its $900. If you don't want it,
>>> one of the other 10 people that called me about it will buy it."
>>>
>>> I paid him the $900.  I drove it for a few months while I located my next
>>> car (I only bought it because my Mercedes
>>> sold too quickly and I needed a car right then).  Then, I sold it to my
>>> neighbor. He still has it.  He loves it.
>>>
>>> Donald H. Snook
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?

It's nice when things are designed to be repaired.  Fewer and fewer products
these days are.  Nothing is greener than a product that can be rebuilt in my
opinion.

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 15:52, Kevin Kraly  wrote:

> There's nothing like the good feeling you get after a successful DIY
> repair, and it's increased proportionally by the amount of money saved.  The
> dog chewed the cord off my sister's Oreck vacuum cleaner just outside where
> it exits the machine.  Price for a new cord and labor was going to be $75,
> so there it sat for nearly 2 years.  It was too close to the case to put a
> splice right there, and it  would have looked ugly.  I flipped it over,
> removed the bottom screws,  removed the connector to the motor and the
> wirenut to the switch and extracted what was left of the cord.  .  I trimmed
> back the cord to expose the two wires, stripped them, installed the cord
> into the gromet that holds it into the case, cut the connector and installed
> it onto the cord once again, slipped everything into place, reconnected the
> motor connector and the wirenut to the switch and it was done!!  The cord is
> about 1.5' shorter, but that's it.  It works just as well as it did, and I
> only charged my sister $50 :D
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs

Are the grounds all functioning as they should.  Do you have a small plug in
tester to check wall sockets ?

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 16:06, R A Bennell  wrote:

> More DIY repair thoughts.
>
> My mother's telephone answering machine is acting strange. It is a digital
> one so no tape. It appears to work in a
> normal fashion in the sense that it lights up, counts calls, will accept
> and hold a message, incoming and outgoing
> etc BUT it has an annoying hum. There is a backup 9V battery and an AC
> adapter that plugs into the wall. Hum goes
> away when the adapter is unplugged. A capacitor gone bad? Going to open it
> up and have a look but I am not exactly
> an electronics expert.
>
> Randy
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC for a change - MB

Yeah, when the girl at the reception desk says, "back again", with a grin,
you know you're heading from trouble. lol

With you Wilton, I know the old 911 would be in good hands. ;-)  Speaking of
the old banger, I need to see if Rusty has the factory correct heater hoses
for it.  They function fine, but they need a little cosmetic freshening.
Corrugated aluminum tubing wrapped in paper, not the easiest part of the
engine to keep looking fresh. lol

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 14:34, WILTON  wrote:

> Be careful; you know what happens when you start looking.  BTW, I may have
> to "store" that Porsche for you so you'll have more room for a new MB.
> ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "E M" 
>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:53 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC for a change - MB
>
>
>  Seems they have.  I think any Benz starting with the current S Class
>> forward
>> would be a much improved car, over what it replaced, S, E, and C Class.
>> I'd
>> still pass on most models that have been around in production for more
>> than
>> 5-6 years, like the CLK.
>>
>> I was at the dealer again yesterday, to have a closer look at the new E
>> Class.  I do like it, and it looks well bolted together.  One thing I
>> really
>> hate about newer mercedes, is what they're doing, or how they're bonding
>> the
>> door skins to the frames!  Even the new E seems to have this bead of silly
>> putty around where the skin wraps over the frame.  And the spot welds! How
>> about flattening a few of them out before putting the paint on, even if
>> they
>> aren't on an exterior panel.  The plastic material also looked cheap to
>> me.
>> Mercedes knows how to make really good looking, and feeling plastic, but
>> they seemed to skip it this time.  Seems to be a general trend with car
>> makers though.  VW had a really nice, flat rubbery plastic, but the trend
>> seems to be toward the glossy stuff with a shine.  Not that I found any of
>> the really glossy stuff, but it still didn't have a nice quality look to
>> my
>> eye.  All the panels fit together really well, and the doors sound like
>> they
>> should.  They had a nice E 6.3 there too.  Not real keen on the added
>> trunk
>> lip, I would have preferred to see it formed into the truck itself.  Bit
>> boy
>> racer in an otherwise elegant looking car.  I never got the who thing with
>> carbon interiors, but that's just a personal opinion.  Carbon is a great
>> material for fenders and other structural bits, but look best when
>> painted.
>> I no more get carbon as an interior fashion statement, than I would not
>> having any dye on the leather, or just putting clear coat right over the
>> metal so you can see what's made of metal.
>>
>> Bunch of new S Classes too.  Always great cars, and saw the new Hybrid
>> too.
>> All have the new front LED daytime running lights, and the new design real
>> light assemblies.  I don't like the rear light assemble as much, as it now
>> seems over sized and doesn't fit the overall design as well.  I loved the
>> rear before.  Not sure if part of the change wasn't due to the cost of
>> colour matching the old nights to the bodies paint colour ??  Interior is
>> a
>> study in how interiors should be done.
>>
>> They had brochures on the new SLS, but nothing on the floor.  The old
>> Gullwing is still there, and I suspect it's a factory car, or on loan from
>> a
>> client.  No SLRs this time, either they're all sold, or moved them to a
>> different dealer further downtown.
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
>>
>> On 3 February 2010 09:17, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
>> <
>> meade.m.dil...@navy.mil> wrote:
>>
>>  Has MB quality turned the corner?  I here lots of positive things and
>>> fewer complaints lately.
>>>
>>> -Max
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:00 AM
>>> To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC for a change - MB
>>>
>>> Randy wrote: "I talked to a client at lunch today.  His MB has been in
>>> an indy shop for a week while they wait for parts ( - did not get a
>>> chance to ask for what). It is a 2000 ML320 I think - the short SUV type
>>> thing. He bought it new, or rather, leased it for the first few years,
>>> and then bought the vehicle at the end of the lease. It has about 130K
>>> miles on it and he is very unhappy with the amount and cost of repairs.
>>> He drove a Volvo for many years previous to this and has past experience
>>> with MB's. He is originally from Holland and thus familiar with European
>>> cars from the past."
>>>
>>> I think the early ML's have had lots of problems.  If he wants a
>>> Mercedes SUV, tell him to buy the newer ones.  I have heard good things
>>> about them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Older MB's -was Fo-matic

2010-02-03 Thread andrew strasfogel

The local dealer has this program as well, but they left my 111 coupe under
the hot July sun for 3 days while their veteran "specialist" attempted
to sort out a computer problem on a later model MB under warwranty.  I
finally retrieved my car with no work having been done on it, and when I
opened the sunroof the gaskets tore off due to the hot sun's effect.  When I
complained to the service manager, he had the gall to go on the attack
and accuse me of poor maintenance practices.  Needless to say I took my
business elsewhere.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> The dealer I use-Carriage House in New London CT has special program with
> posters of a w115 & a w108 that says-"Classic Care Program"-they advertise
> that their 3 classic mechanics have 78 years of experience combined-they
> offer flat bed service (like form from Westchester County NY) where the
> dealers don't do older ones. The mechanic that works on my 240D has worked
> on 123 s diesels for 30 years. And they give me loaner for my 240D just
> like
> they do to the owner of the new E350. I think it is nice market niche for
> them and for me. I have had a few usual dealer service  problems there and
> have heard of others-but at least they do work on older ones-(Well Tom your
> 300D jalopy might be the exception there.)
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
> 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
> Wickford, RI
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:50 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fo-matic
>
> The dealer was likely well aware that he'd alienate a few customers by
> refusing to service their older cars.  From his standpoint, they are not
> buying new cars (or at least not often) and their old cars are
> unfamiliar to the service techs so they take more time in the shop.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

Most folks do not buy a car for the power or handling etc.They buy an image - 
especially if it is a Jag or
something similar. They want to be seen in the car. That is all that matters. 
They might learn to like the handling
etc and miss it if they swap to something lesser but they don't buy it for that 
reason in the first place.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?


You make some excellent points there.  I am reminded of a secretary we
had once at this place I worked for awhile (on site at A Government
Agency), an older woman who was, uh, not too bright.  Anyway, one day
she was talking about her new car her hubby had bought her, a new Jaguar
XJ, and how sporty and fast it was and all, and the radio and all the
gadgets and whatnot.  I asked her if she was up to exploring the
benefits of driving a powerful high-performance car like that, and she
looked at me and said, "Huh?"

Now that right there was a recipe for a complete disaster, maybe her
husband had a new girlfriend or something and the Jag was worth it.
But, she probably enjoyed it, and wouldn't have known the difference
between the XJ and a Toyota with a leaper on the hood.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT DIY repairs

More DIY repair thoughts.

My mother's telephone answering machine is acting strange. It is a digital one 
so no tape. It appears to work in a
normal fashion in the sense that it lights up, counts calls, will accept and 
hold a message, incoming and outgoing
etc BUT it has an annoying hum. There is a backup 9V battery and an AC adapter 
that plugs into the wall. Hum goes
away when the adapter is unplugged. A capacitor gone bad? Going to open it up 
and have a look but I am not exactly
an electronics expert.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] importing to Canada?

Thanks. I had already looked at that site. I can't help but think I saw another 
more detailed list but who knows.
One sees stuff on the net daily and cannot keep it all in the mind.

The car I was wondering about is a mid 80's wagon. It is advertised as being 
non registerable in Canada. That does
not fit with the 15 year rule but the I think that applies to cars from the USA 
and this one might have come from
elsewhere. It is advertised as having a clean rust free body and the price is 
right. Unfortunately, it is not
diesel. I might go and have a look and see what the seller can tell me just for 
fun. It has the bundt style wheels
on it. It is almost cheap enough to buy it for those as my 76 still has the 
steel wheels and hubcaps.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] importing to Canada?

Here you go Randy.
http://www.riv.ca/

I do know that any 15 year old car from the date of manufacture has
less restrictions. I also know that the MB W140's are not allowed if
newer than 15 years.
John
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:54 AM, R A Bennell  wrote:
> Anyone remember seeing a list of what can and cannot be imported into Canada 
> as a vehicle? My recollection is
that
> there are many MB's that do not qualify because they were never sold here in 
> the first place I assume.
>
> There is a car advertised locally that they say cannot be registered. Looks 
> reasonable in the photos and the
price
> is cheap ( I know, I know, no such thing as a cheap Mercedes). I just 
> wondered why it cannot be registered and if
> one can get around that somehow.
>
> Randy
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!


Oh, wow, a double decker VW:
http://youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/funny_Car_27.jpg

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[MBZ] OT DIY repairs was Re: OT Are Toyota Owners Stupid?

2010-02-03 Thread Kevin Kraly

There's nothing like the good feeling you get after a successful DIY repair, 
and it's increased proportionally by the amount of money saved.  The dog 
chewed the cord off my sister's Oreck vacuum cleaner just outside where it 
exits the machine.  Price for a new cord and labor was going to be $75, so 
there it sat for nearly 2 years.  It was too close to the case to put a 
splice right there, and it  would have looked ugly.  I flipped it over, 
removed the bottom screws,  removed the connector to the motor and the 
wirenut to the switch and extracted what was left of the cord.  .  I trimmed 
back the cord to expose the two wires, stripped them, installed the cord 
into the gromet that holds it into the case, cut the connector and installed 
it onto the cord once again, slipped everything into place, reconnected the 
motor connector and the wirenut to the switch and it was done!!  The cord is 
about 1.5' shorter, but that's it.  It works just as well as it did, and I 
only charged my sister $50 :D


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances

'Thought so, but suddenly, I was unsure.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances

Yes - Winnipeg. Manitoba is not quite so bad for salt on the roads as 
other provinces but we still get a fair
amount put on the roads within the city - especially in intersections so 
rust is still a problem. Not so bad as it
once was I think as cars are better undercoated etc but always an issue in 
snow country.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances

And this was where - in Canada?  I've forgotten.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances

My brother in law once offered an old Ford pickup for sale for $400. He
was truly amazed that several people called
and asked if it had any rust. What were those people thinking? It had
about as much rust as it had body. What did
they think they would get for $400. It ran. It used oil and it was as 
ugly

as sin. Brian is a mechanic by trade. He
managed to keep it going for a couple of years but it was a $400 truck on
a good day. Of course it had rust!

Randy

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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:22 PM
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL annoyances

Randy wrote: "Come on, face it. Most of us are totally unreasonable when
it comes to cars. We want a cream puff but
we want it for the price of a POS. Almost no one keeps detailed records 
of

cars and repairs. Almost no one has much
of an idea of when a car should be serviced. We are the oddballs when it
comes to cars and we should not expect
that ads for cars will be realistic. People are trying to sell a vehicle
they no longer want. If they were totally
honest they would have a difficult time getting anyone to even look at
it."

I agree with you in general. The collective knowledge about cars on this
list would stagger most people. I also
agree that many of us are looking for the cream puff with the POS price.
But, I am not totally ignorant of the
fact that most people do not describe every possible flaw in their car
when they are advertising it.  I expect most
people to say something is in good condition.  But, when asked to expand
on what that actually means, PROVIDE
DETAILS - BE SPECIFIC.

Of course, the car buying and car selling public doesn't know much about
cars.  I read a review of a Ford Crown Vic
that someone posted on MSN.  They were talking about all the problems 
with

the car and then at the end they said,
"I knew I should not have bought a General Motors car.  I will never buy
anything from GM again."

Sure, most of us are probably pretty picky.  But, I have driven some
crappy cars before.  But, I paid a crappy car
price for it.

I bought a 1990 Buick LeSabre last year for $900.  When I called him, the
seller said, "Its pretty nice.  Its got a
lot of miles.  The paint is a little faded. It could probably use new
tires.  Runs very well, and its $900."

I looked at it and tried to get him down on the price.  He looked at me
and said, "Its $900. If you don't want it,
one of the other 10 people that called me about it will buy it."

I paid him the $900.  I drove it for a few months while I located my next
car (I only bought it because my Mercedes
sold too quickly and I needed a car right then).  Then, I sold it to my
neighbor. He still has it.  He loves it.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] importing to Canada?

2010-02-03 Thread Kevin

And this was the case in 1983, when my landcruiser was built. Since the 
canadian requirements were more stringent than the stateside ones, the
fact that it was built for canada made it meet the stateside requirements.

And yes, I've had it long enough that it mattered.

On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 01:38:51PM -0500, E M wrote:
> Not sure about now, as a lot of manufactures are moving more towards "world
> models", but for years, things like min bumper impact speeds were always
> higher in Canada.

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Re: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995

2010-02-03 Thread degcoast


That wouldn't stop me but  the asking price here would.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
Wickford, RI


On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Dwight's in love with 'em...

Wonder whats wrong with that one.



It gets 10 mpg?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!

Yep.  Some of 'em are pretty good "exercises," though.   ;<)

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!

WILTON wrote:
Oh yeah, that's another one I need to not get near for fear somebody will 
think I like it.

Like this?
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_38.jpg

Or this?
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_151.jpg

Cheese that goes crunch:
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_40.jpg

Just...Wow.
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_173.jpg

There was a Hot Wheels Corvette about 40 years ago that looked a lot like 
this:

http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_167.jpg

Is Curt still looking for a new mower?
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_158.jpg

Snook's next Bimmer:
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_78.jpg

I bet Curt (or Wonko) really wants this Metro:
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_119.jpg

When did Rolf quit racing W123s?
http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_117.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC for a change - MB

Be careful; you know what happens when you start looking.  BTW, I may have 
to "store" that Porsche for you so you'll have more room for a new MB. 
;<)


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC for a change - MB


Seems they have.  I think any Benz starting with the current S Class 
forward
would be a much improved car, over what it replaced, S, E, and C Class. 
I'd
still pass on most models that have been around in production for more 
than

5-6 years, like the CLK.

I was at the dealer again yesterday, to have a closer look at the new E
Class.  I do like it, and it looks well bolted together.  One thing I 
really
hate about newer mercedes, is what they're doing, or how they're bonding 
the

door skins to the frames!  Even the new E seems to have this bead of silly
putty around where the skin wraps over the frame.  And the spot welds! 
How
about flattening a few of them out before putting the paint on, even if 
they
aren't on an exterior panel.  The plastic material also looked cheap to 
me.

Mercedes knows how to make really good looking, and feeling plastic, but
they seemed to skip it this time.  Seems to be a general trend with car
makers though.  VW had a really nice, flat rubbery plastic, but the trend
seems to be toward the glossy stuff with a shine.  Not that I found any of
the really glossy stuff, but it still didn't have a nice quality look to 
my
eye.  All the panels fit together really well, and the doors sound like 
they
should.  They had a nice E 6.3 there too.  Not real keen on the added 
trunk
lip, I would have preferred to see it formed into the truck itself.  Bit 
boy

racer in an otherwise elegant looking car.  I never got the who thing with
carbon interiors, but that's just a personal opinion.  Carbon is a great
material for fenders and other structural bits, but look best when 
painted.

I no more get carbon as an interior fashion statement, than I would not
having any dye on the leather, or just putting clear coat right over the
metal so you can see what's made of metal.

Bunch of new S Classes too.  Always great cars, and saw the new Hybrid 
too.

All have the new front LED daytime running lights, and the new design real
light assemblies.  I don't like the rear light assemble as much, as it now
seems over sized and doesn't fit the overall design as well.  I loved the
rear before.  Not sure if part of the change wasn't due to the cost of
colour matching the old nights to the bodies paint colour ??  Interior is 
a

study in how interiors should be done.

They had brochures on the new SLS, but nothing on the floor.  The old
Gullwing is still there, and I suspect it's a factory car, or on loan from 
a

client.  No SLRs this time, either they're all sold, or moved them to a
different dealer further downtown.

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 09:17, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
<

meade.m.dil...@navy.mil> wrote:


Has MB quality turned the corner?  I here lots of positive things and
fewer complaints lately.

-Max

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To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC for a change - MB

Randy wrote: "I talked to a client at lunch today.  His MB has been in
an indy shop for a week while they wait for parts ( - did not get a
chance to ask for what). It is a 2000 ML320 I think - the short SUV type
thing. He bought it new, or rather, leased it for the first few years,
and then bought the vehicle at the end of the lease. It has about 130K
miles on it and he is very unhappy with the amount and cost of repairs.
He drove a Volvo for many years previous to this and has past experience
with MB's. He is originally from Holland and thus familiar with European
cars from the past."

I think the early ML's have had lots of problems.  If he wants a
Mercedes SUV, tell him to buy the newer ones.  I have heard good things
about them.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

"U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said he misspoke today when he 
said owners of recalled Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles should stop driving 
them until the company fixes a defect causing sudden acceleration. 
LaHood sought to clarify his remarks in comments to reporters after a 
congressional hearing."


I guess I can't understand certain things without clarification.

--R

Rich Thomas wrote:
*"Toyota owners should stop driving cars affected by recall, take them 
to dealers, says U.S. transportation secretary"


I guess we won't be driving them to the dealer

--R
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Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
>>>
>>> http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_173.jpg
>
>> I vote Renault Alliance cabriolet.
>
> The mirrors aren't quite right, and I don't think the Alliance ever had
> lamps in the bumper.
>
> I vote Corolla.
>
> Take a look at the bumper and mirror on this 1985 Corolla:
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/1985_Toyota_Corolla_(AE80)_sedan_01.jpg
>
>

Looks plausible.  For some reason it didn't occur to me that the
convertible top could be a Sawzall job.

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Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!


Alex Chamberlain wrote:


http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_173.jpg



I vote Renault Alliance cabriolet.


The mirrors aren't quite right, and I don't think the Alliance ever had lamps in 
the bumper.


I vote Corolla.

Take a look at the bumper and mirror on this 1985 Corolla:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/1985_Toyota_Corolla_(AE80)_sedan_01.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!

I was wondering the same.  Are those Mercedes mirrors grafted on ?

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 12:41, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> > Just...Wow.
> >
> http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_173.jpg
>
> Figuring out what kind of car is under all that should win you some
> kind of prize.
>
> I vote Renault Alliance cabriolet.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] importing to Canada?

Don't quote me on this, but I was once told, that the W140 for the US and
Canadian markets are different.  Different than just metric dials and
stuff.  Apparently, the floor pan or chassis for the Euro and US cars was
different.  The W140 for the Canadian market was based on the Euro chassis,
and so was tested in Canada, but not to meet US crash standards.

Not sure about now, as a lot of manufactures are moving more towards "world
models", but for years, things like min bumper impact speeds were always
higher in Canada.

Not sure about the 15 year rule currently, but I know there is talk, or was,
to try and tighten that up.  A friend had a RUF porsche built, by RUF, and
sourced a perfect Euro spec car, 15 years old, for the conversion.  That was
brought in, all legal and all paperwork done to satisfy the requirements.  I
also know of a fellow who brought in a real first gen CTR, again, all
perfectly legal.

While there are often cheap deals to be had on imported cars, Porsche,
Mercedes, BMW, often they are not optioned as highly as those sold new in
the North American market.  Also, many have lived very hard lives on the
Autobahn, so while you may find one with lower miles in general, they often
tend to be harder miles.

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 13:14, John Freer  wrote:

> Here you go Randy.
> http://www.riv.ca/
>
> I do know that any 15 year old car from the date of manufacture has
> less restrictions. I also know that the MB W140's are not allowed if
> newer than 15 years.
> John
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:54 AM, R A Bennell  wrote:
> > Anyone remember seeing a list of what can and cannot be imported into
> Canada as a vehicle? My recollection is that
> > there are many MB's that do not qualify because they were never sold here
> in the first place I assume.
> >
> > There is a car advertised locally that they say cannot be registered.
> Looks reasonable in the photos and the price
> > is cheap ( I know, I know, no such thing as a cheap Mercedes). I just
> wondered why it cannot be registered and if
> > one can get around that somehow.
> >
> > Randy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

Generally, all cars here have to pass a safety and emissions test whenever
it changes hands.  Emissions are good for 6 months I think, but if you make
a habit of it, you're considered a dealer.  If a car is less than X number
of years old, and it isn't very many years, you are exempt from emissions,
and if the car is very old, exempt too, thought they are fiddling with
that.  Safety is all the standard stuff, brakes, lights, wipers, no
perforation, etc.  It's not to be confused with saying the car will pass a
month later, only that everything was within allowed limits at time of
inspection.

Ed
300E

On 3 February 2010 12:22, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Not so here.  Last time I was at a used car lot (independent, not
> associated with a new-car dealer) I asked the salesman point blank "what
> have you done to this car since you acquired it" and to his credit he
> answered honestly: nothing.  They don't change the fluids, they don't do
> an inspection.  They wash it, put some Armor-All on the tires, maybe
> detail it if the interior is a mess, and they put it on the lot.
>
> Allan
>
>
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:51 -0500, "E M"  wrote:
> > Here most small dealers have connections, or hook up with a mechanic,
> > to do what work is needed on the cars.  All cars must pass a safety
> > and emissions test too.  Sure, always ways to be dodgy about it, but
> > once a dealer, even a small dealer, there are laws that give the buyer
> > some protection, over buying private.  Most of the curbside dealers
> > have been done away with here.  I think some of the laws have recently
> > hanged here as well, where even small dealers are required to have a
> > service bay at their place of business.  Not 100%, but a friend was
> > looking into it, and mentioned it to me.
> >
> > Ed 300E
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995

Nice looking car though.

Ed
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On 3 February 2010 12:27, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> > Dwight's in love with 'em...
> >
> > Wonder whats wrong with that one.
> >
>
> It gets 10 mpg?
>
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Re: [MBZ] importing to Canada?

2010-02-03 Thread John Freer

Here you go Randy.
http://www.riv.ca/

I do know that any 15 year old car from the date of manufacture has
less restrictions. I also know that the MB W140's are not allowed if
newer than 15 years.
John
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:54 AM, R A Bennell  wrote:
> Anyone remember seeing a list of what can and cannot be imported into Canada 
> as a vehicle? My recollection is that
> there are many MB's that do not qualify because they were never sold here in 
> the first place I assume.
>
> There is a car advertised locally that they say cannot be registered. Looks 
> reasonable in the photos and the price
> is cheap ( I know, I know, no such thing as a cheap Mercedes). I just 
> wondered why it cannot be registered and if
> one can get around that somehow.
>
> Randy
>
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[MBZ] Hobby vs. Sickness

2010-02-03 Thread tom tomscat

Or, when the wife says:   "Honey, it's me or the car(s)."

And you hesitate.

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and don't let on to the wife how many BMWs I have  

> Gary wrote: "Snook flips another one!"
>
> That's the idea! That's the idea, but it hasn't sold yet. Of course,
> I have only had it 1 week and its only been for sale for 4 days. I
> really wanted to keep the newer one, but, I think it will sell before
> the 7 series does. Alas, I will find something else in 6 months and
> do it all over again.
>
> When does a hobby turn into a sickness?

When the state says you've exceeded the yearly limit for title transfers
and you need to get a dealer license.

Allan
--
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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

You make some excellent points there.  I am reminded of a secretary we 
had once at this place I worked for awhile (on site at A Government 
Agency), an older woman who was, uh, not too bright.  Anyway, one day 
she was talking about her new car her hubby had bought her, a new Jaguar 
XJ, and how sporty and fast it was and all, and the radio and all the 
gadgets and whatnot.  I asked her if she was up to exploring the 
benefits of driving a powerful high-performance car like that, and she 
looked at me and said, "Huh?" 

Now that right there was a recipe for a complete disaster, maybe her 
husband had a new girlfriend or something and the Jag was worth it.  
But, she probably enjoyed it, and wouldn't have known the difference 
between the XJ and a Toyota with a leaper on the hood.


--R

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
  

If the vehicle is too complicated for the average
(minimally-trained/knowledgeable/capable) driver, then that says something
about the manufacturer as well as their customers.



This is a crucial point and one that is much too frequently overlooked.

For any consumer product, usability should be paramount; but it's too
often, as a design goal, a distant third after the marketing and
engineering departments have their say about what the product should
look like and what features it should have.  The user interface is
designed last, as an afterthought.  This leads almost without
exception to products that are unnecessarily difficult to use.

Engineering types (and I'm including myself in this category, having
been a software engineer off and on for the past 10+ years) are
generally much too quick to blame the user.  How often have you heard
"RTFM" as a response to a honest question about how to do something
complicated on the computer?  The knee-jerk response, in other words,
is that it must be operator error, and if the user understood the
system better, mistakes wouldn't be made.  A more accurate response,
often, is that it was programmer error, in creating software that is
too easy to use wrong and too hard to use right.  A great example is
the default security setup in Windows Vista, which a lot of people
mocked (rightly) when the OS was released for requiring the non-admin
user to click through endless alert boxes each of which requested an
OK for the software to make system changes.  Users end up clicking
mindlessly whenever a message pops up, and then get viruses or some
other security-related problem as a result.  Guess what---it's not the
user's fault that happens, it's Microsoft's fault for designing a user
interface that encourages that behavior.

The issue is critical for cars because of the obvious potential for
death and property destruction if the operator can't operate the
product easily because of a poor user interface.  Admittedly, cars are
complicated machines, and you have to learn to drive one; that's as it
should be.  But as Jaime points out, expensive cars are far more
complicated today than they used to be, and often in ways that
directly impact the day-to-day driving experience (like start/stop
buttons, or purely electronic throttle and transmission control)
rather than having to do with peripheral functions such as the sound
system.

The other issue at work here is the lack of any kind of formal
standards for software engineers, and the poor theoretical
understanding (and lack of practical application) of processes that
would ensure that software works correctly before it leaves the
testing stage.  A lot of people have been saying for a long time that
the technology of software development is way beyond our understanding
of how to use it right.  (Google "software crisis.")  A lot of people
have also been saying that sooner or later a "perfect storm" would
happen in which an accident that resulted in injuries or deaths could
be definitively blamed  on poorly written software, and the public
would finally wake up and realize how much of modern life depends on
software working right.  (I thought Y2K would be it, but it wasn't.
And don't get me started on the "I guess it was a lot of fuss over
nothing" Y2K backlash---that's like the guy who goes to the doctor
with chest pains; is told to eat better and get some exercise; does
so, and thereby avoids having a heart attack; then says, "Well, I
guess there was nothing wrong with my heart after all.")

Blame in the Toyota issue very likely rests squarely on the engineers,
product designers and testers at Toyota---not on "incompetent" drivers
(who are simply doing the best they can to use a poorly designed
product).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A car for Gary 1995 MB S600 sedan ARMORED LEVEL : CEN B6 - $30000


3mpg and 0-60 in 3 minutes!  That thing must weigh about 6 tons!

--R

SteveB wrote:

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[MBZ] importing to Canada?

Anyone remember seeing a list of what can and cannot be imported into Canada as 
a vehicle? My recollection is that
there are many MB's that do not qualify because they were never sold here in 
the first place I assume.

There is a car advertised locally that they say cannot be registered. Looks 
reasonable in the photos and the price
is cheap ( I know, I know, no such thing as a cheap Mercedes). I just wondered 
why it cannot be registered and if
one can get around that somehow.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT ALERT! Coogi on 26s still available! Doors go up!

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Just...Wow.
> http://media.youdrivewhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/funny_Car_173.jpg

Figuring out what kind of car is under all that should win you some
kind of prize.

I vote Renault Alliance cabriolet.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A car for Gary 1995 MB S600 sedan ARMORED LEVEL : CEN B6 - $30000

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:31 AM, SteveB  wrote:
> Steve
>
> http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/1583733207.html
>

That's very interesting.  How do they make room inside the front door
for the extra glass to slide down, I wonder, without changing the
whole structure of the car (make the door thicker, then the doorframe
has to be thicker, etc)?

Alex

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[MBZ] A car for Gary 1995 MB S600 sedan ARMORED LEVEL : CEN B6 - $30000

2010-02-03 Thread SteveB

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Re: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> Dwight's in love with 'em...
>
> Wonder whats wrong with that one.
>

It gets 10 mpg?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Mountain Man  wrote:
> I guess I had no idea that a modern luxury brand such as infiniti sold
> cars with 3pedals.

BMW offers all its cars with stick shifts in the USA as far as I know,
except for the Big Kahuna 7 series.   Audi sells the smaller ones with
three pedals too.  Lexus has the IS (BMW 3-series competitor).  Acura
and Inifiniti each have a couple.  Hyundai sells the Genesis coupe
with a stick.  Even Cadillac offers a manual trans on one or two
models.

A fair number of luxury imports are now available with dual-clutch
automatics that can be shifted with paddles behind the steering wheel.
 I haven't driven one, but this kind of transmission reportedly
responds more like a manual than like a traditional automatic---it's
like a slushbox without the slush.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995

2010-02-03 Thread Curt Raymond

Dwight's in love with 'em...

Wonder whats wrong with that one.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:34:13 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] 1974 Mercedes Benz 280CE - $3995
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http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1583117207.html

Wasn't someone(s) interested in one of these?

--R



  
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

Not so here.  Last time I was at a used car lot (independent, not
associated with a new-car dealer) I asked the salesman point blank "what
have you done to this car since you acquired it" and to his credit he
answered honestly: nothing.  They don't change the fluids, they don't do
an inspection.  They wash it, put some Armor-All on the tires, maybe
detail it if the interior is a mess, and they put it on the lot.

Allan

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:51 -0500, "E M"  wrote:
> Here most small dealers have connections, or hook up with a mechanic,
> to do what work is needed on the cars.  All cars must pass a safety
> and emissions test too.  Sure, always ways to be dodgy about it, but
> once a dealer, even a small dealer, there are laws that give the buyer
> some protection, over buying private.  Most of the curbside dealers
> have been done away with here.  I think some of the laws have recently
> hanged here as well, where even small dealers are required to have a
> service bay at their place of business.  Not 100%, but a friend was
> looking into it, and mentioned it to me.
>
> Ed 300E
>

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon prices?

What I've heard is that dealers will keep the cars that they know sell
well as long as there is not a major problem (crash history, unusually
high miles, etc).  They might keep one or two more "exotic" cars to park
out front as attention-getters.  But if a car has been sitting a few
weeks, it's off to the auction.  They don't make any money holding
inventory.

I also know that little one-man used car lots open up and close down
here all the time.  Often times they're closed within a couple of months
of opening.  I think it's a very very hard way to earn an income.

Allan


On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:45 -0500, "Dillon, Meade M CIV 
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310"  wrote:
> I'm not sure it's true that auction cars are crap.  I've bought two,
> and both were great values.  A '96 Infiniti, 3 years old at the time,
> for $7k (Wife still driving/loving 10+ years later), and an '85
> 123.190 for $1100, which I sold three years later for $2300.  Most of
> the crap at the auctions I've been to was very apparent as crap
> and easily avoided,  but there is a big risk.
>
> A friend looking for a used Toyota Camry locally said that the new car
> dealers he visited put all their trade-ins for the week in the back
> lot, on Saturday or Sunday the "Auction Guys" would come through and
> make offers/take their pick (to re-sell at the dealer only auction),
> and what was left over would either be sold at the dealer's used car
> lot or at the public auto auction.  These dealers were not interested
> in putting any effort into selling their trade-ins, so the best went
> to auction or got picked-off by the employees.  Several of the Toyota
> dealer mechanics would skim - fix - resell as well, for personal gain
> on after-hours, but they stuck to the Toyotas.
>
> -Max
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Are Toyota owners stupid?