Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
It may not have had a lot of power but had a lot of torque and if you kept the turbo wound up would go pretty well. Hendrik who doesn't need a lot of power Curt Raymond wrote: A real goer? Wasn't it rated for like 101hp? I think thats the same engine they used in the diesel Scout. Or did

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Then you're not going to like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Benz Yep, Mercedes made in china!!! The reality is, this is how modern car companies stay competitive. If Daimler didn't do things like this, we'd see them on a decline. Instead, China is replacing the US for the largest

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
The solution is easy. You hook up the diagnosis and see what it tells you is wrong. This is a modern car, not one 30 year old EFI diagnosis techniques is needed. Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like asking for advice on getting the space shuttle running again. Lots of

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Oh yes, and since we're throwing out random guesses, I'd agree with Hendrick and say its a temp sensor also. Via diagnosis, you should be able to see what each are reporting and see if it makes sense given the current ambient temp. Jaime On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jaime Kopchinski

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Ok. But still by a Mercedes factory. Nissan engines in a Mercedes is unacceptable. Don't tell me you're OK with it? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Then you're not going to like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Benz Yep,

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Yes, I'm ok with it, because I understand what the deal means. Jaime On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: Ok. But still by a Mercedes factory. Nissan engines in a Mercedes is unacceptable. Don't tell me you're OK with it? Sent from my iPhone On

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Well that's great that you're open minded. I'm not when it comes to these things. A serious manufacturer makes it's own engines. Mercedes has gone down a declining path of no return. It's really too bad. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] diesels and japcrap?

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
They still exist in some applications in Mercedes today, usually basic or high current connections... but for modern components you need something more compact to deal with the large number of wires, the old style are just too large. They're also not very weather proof, require soldering for

Re: [MBZ] Tools

2012-01-15 Thread WILTON
Philips: rounded, torque limiting cross slots. Reed Prince: crisp, sharp-cornered cross slots - take higher torque than Philips. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: [MBZ] Tools

Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

2012-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I take pride in ownership of my big manly chevy pickup truck complete with 4wd. It has a big powerful duramax diesel which is made by isuzu Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Some if not all US Hondas are built here in the US. Some

Re: [MBZ] diesels and japcrap?

2012-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
They still exist in some applications in Mercedes today, usually basic or high current connections... but for modern components you need something more compact to deal with the large number of wires, the old style are just too large. Power, ground, CAN bus... What's the fourth pin for? :-)

Re: [MBZ] Tools

2012-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
1. What is that 19/32 inch wrench for? I've never had a need for it. Anything that needs a 15mm wrench? 19/32 * 25.4 = 15.08 -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Tools

2012-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
2. What (if any) is the difference between a Philips screw/screwdriver and a Reed Prince screw/screwdriver? One has sharper edges and is better at punching holes in oil cans. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:57 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Thats because they're modern cars. Do they all have the technology, safety, and feel of a Toyota? Certainly not. A Mercedes is still a Mercedes, Well put. Rick Sent from my ATT rotary phone

Re: [MBZ] Tools

2012-01-15 Thread WILTON
Reed Prince driver is sharper and better at punching holes. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools 2. What (if any) is the difference

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I give up. I'm obviously of a different mindset. While don't you all bask in your Nissan powered Mercedes pieces of $hit. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:57 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Thats

Re: [MBZ] OT Audio cards

2012-01-15 Thread Greg Fiorentino
I am using an old Turtle Beach Riviera card that accomplishes this with an optical output. The sound is decent through my Yamaha A/V receiver. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Benz Hogs Sent: Saturday,

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Gerry Archer
Hi Jaime, If I buy a 2006 GL320cdi does the diagnosis come with it? If not, how much does the diagnosis cost? Thanks, Gerry From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com The solution is easy. You hook up the diagnosis and see what it tells you is wrong. This is a modern car, not one 30 year old

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I have a nice, old school OM 617 turbodiesel engine 4 sale if anyone wants to trade up from their piece of $hit new Nissan engine Andrew You want it, I've got it (or not) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Sender:

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Gerry, Every car since 1996 supports standardized OBD-II diagnosis. The readers are pretty inexpensive. They start at well under $100 for a basic tool. Jaime On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Hi Jaime, If I buy a 2006 GL320cdi does the diagnosis

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Dieselhead
Then you're not going to like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Benz Yep, Mercedes made in china!!! The reality is, this is how modern car companies stay competitive. If Daimler didn't do things like this, we'd see them on a decline. Instead, China is replacing the US for the largest

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
My first car was an '84 Ford Tempo, feel free to roll your eyes but as far as really cheap cars go it was pretty okay. Mine had a 4spd manual and 2.3l 4cyl which I understand was built in conjunction with Mazda as many small Ford's of the period were. It was actually a really good engine...

Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

2012-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
I don't think anyone has taken issue with Dodge partnering with Cummins either. Or Ford with International... -Curt Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:53:56 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

2012-01-15 Thread Michael Canfield
I'll take Jap crap over nearly anything made in the good ole USA. US manufacturers have the wrong concepts in design thanks to extravagent(sp?) lifestyles of the dumb and wasteful. How many folks really need more than 100hp or so in a car? I would prefer mpg over hp any day. Mike On Jan 15,

Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

2012-01-15 Thread Dieselhead
I take pride in ownership of my big manly chevy pickup truck complete with 4wd. It has a big powerful duramax diesel which is made by isuzu Sent from my iPhone Sounds like a liberal wimp! Loves Gummit Motors, and uses an iphone! Probably drinks Lattes too, and wears Dockers. (Jus

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Exactly! In fact, very little was/is actually made by Mercedes. Perhaps some sheet metal work, but even that is made by some suppliers at this point I'd expect. They design and specify the parts, then put it all together. But, a large amount of the parts still do come from Germany. Especially

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Another interesting automotive marriage is Daimler and SsangYong. Their large sedan is based on the W124 under license from Daimler, complete with an M104 under the hood. When I was in Korea, I had a chance to actually look under the hood of one. It was a bit bizarre... there was an M104

Re: [MBZ] OT Audio cards

2012-01-15 Thread Luther's Benz
Seems that Turtle Beach still has it listed as a current model in their menu, I'm not sure how old this card is. nbsp;I passed over this card as it had only 4 reviews at NewEgg and only 1of4 was completely positive. nbsp;Since TB has been around the audio world for at least 15-20 years, I'll

Re: [MBZ] coilpacks

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
...Hey, you know more than everyone else put together.   If you don't believe me, ask yourself. How does a spark get  into the cylinder on your car?.. I doesn't get in there since it's created there. That's the answer I got when I asked myself, at your thoughtful suggestion. Were there M104s

Re: [MBZ] Serious, he says...

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
...Exactly. I have no doubt that the Nissan will be a good engine but any serious automaker should be building their own engine.. And who built the Ford SHO engine, pray tell? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Serious, he says...

2012-01-15 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Wasting time and effort to produce everything yourself actually brings quality DOWN in the long run. Letting others handle certain tasks helps you focus on what needs to be done. For example, you could call up direct distributors, fly/drive to their warehouses, broker single-quantity parts, etc

Re: [MBZ] MAF

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
..The only time I absolutely could not start an electronic fuel injected car (running fine when I shut it off), the MAP sensor had died,.. I guess you mean MAF (mass airflow sensor) and these components have been around for decades. The latest ones, hot film or hot wire, are susceptible to

Re: [MBZ] Serious, he says...

2012-01-15 Thread Rick Knoble
From: relng...@aol.com And who built the Ford SHO engine, pray tell? That would be Yamaha. At least the old SHO. I believe the current model is some modifed eco-boost twin turbo by Ford. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus_SHO http://www.ford.com/cars/taurus/trim/?trim=sho Rick

Re: [MBZ] RP

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
...What (if any) is the difference between a Philips screw/screwdriver and a Reed Prince screw/screwdriver?.. Just Google Reed and Prince for the answer. Photos. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] MAF

2012-01-15 Thread Rick Knoble
RLE wrote: ..The only time I absolutely could not start an electronic fuel injected car (running fine when I shut it off), the MAP sensor had died,.. I guess you mean MAF (mass airflow sensor) and these components have been around for decades MAP= Manifold Absolute Pressure. Vacuum

Re: [MBZ] Amateur car waxing

2012-01-15 Thread Larry T
That's the 100% effective way to find problems in the sheet metal.It may make a dull finish shiny but that problem can often be fixed fairly easily. Dents and rust are much harder (stating the obvious) ;-( Larry On 1/12/2012 2:02 PM, Max wrote: Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: You

Re: [MBZ] Serious, he says...

2012-01-15 Thread Rick Knoble
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:47:43 -0500 From: zarnoch...@gmail.com Wasting time and effort to produce everything yourself actually brings quality DOWN in the long run. Letting others handle certain tasks helps you focus on what needs to be done. Which is precisely why the Japanese auto

Re: [MBZ] MB plants

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
...Yep, Mercedes made in china!!!.. Wiki didn't mention it but China has become a huge market for the Porsche Cayenne and Porsche Panamera. The Panameras world intro was the Beijing Auto Show. None are built there, however. Yet. When their Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen plant was at capacity and

Re: [MBZ] Serious, he says...

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I know it's Asian which is exactly why I've always frowned upon the SHO. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:40 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Exactly. I have no doubt that the Nissan will be a good engine but any serious automaker should be building their own engine.. And who built the

Re: [MBZ] plugs

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
...Power, ground, CAN bus... What's the fourth pin for?  :-).. In my car, the CAN plugs are separate and very different. And not to be abused. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
True but the engine of a serious automaker's car should be made by the automaker itself. Mercedes is not hurting and it is fully capable of making perfectly capable engines. So why Nissan? Cost cutting of course. Low production niche vehicles made by small scale manufacturers can get away

Re: [MBZ] OT Audio cards

2012-01-15 Thread Benz Hogs
Can you verify with a program that checks each speaker by saying the name of the speaker? (something ala step 6 of: http://www.halfgaar.net/surround-sound-in-linux ) The reviews on Tiger Direct all say something to the effect of contrary to the advertised 5.1 pass through, it does NOT pass

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Gerry Archer
Thanks, Jaime. Also, do you know if the C series is going to be available with the Nissan diesel engines? Also, can you or anyone suggest a good brand of OBD-ll? I'd like to buy one for my daughter/son-in-law who have a late model Mercedes. Gerry From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com

[MBZ] CL dreamer - $2k for dead 190D

2012-01-15 Thread Max
84 Mercedes 190D $2000 OBO - $2000 (Ladson) I have an 84 Mercedes 190D. I'm moving and will not be able to take it. The timing chain broke and needs to be replaced. I just haven't had time to do it. Clean title. Asking $2000 OBO. Call or text 843-640-6163 for more information. Serious

Re: [MBZ] components from wherever

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
True but the engine of a serious automaker's car should be made by the automaker itself. Mercedes is not hurting and it is fully capable of making perfectly capable engines. So why Nissan? Cost cutting of course You don't know that. Maybe the homeland engine plants will be at

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Max
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, can you or anyone suggest a good brand of OBD-ll? Amazon has some decent prices. When I get one, I'd like to get the ability to monitor stuff while driving around. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Bit grumpy today? Apparently Troy asked for some ideas as to why his car is not starting when it is cold, that's what we did, sure the easy thing is to say: drag it down to the dealer and pay them to fix it. However if we did this then there is no real reason for any sort of discussion lists

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Dieselhead
Also, can you or anyone suggest a good brand of OBD-ll? I'd like to buy one for my daughter/son-in-law who have a late model Mercedes. Gerry Kleb had some fleabay software and cable that made an ODBII reader out of a laptop. That sounds interesting to me. For the low end kind, Harbor

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Times are a bit tough for car manufacturers and they are in business to make money. Engine development costs money, big money. So they share technology/costs to develop new engines, big deal. As far as I am concerned, if it leads to a better engine than it's all good. Or would you rather that

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in seriously new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
A serious manufacturer makes the best car possible by whichever means, if they save money by sharing engines, then they spend more on the other aspects of the automobiles. There is sensible cost saving actions and then there is cost cutting. Hendrik who drives a real Benz, made in Germany

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Max
Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like asking for advice on getting the space shuttle running again. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87

Re: [MBZ] components from wherever

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
OK then why doesn't the Alabama Mercedes plant build the engines? It boils down to cost cutting. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 8:19 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: True but the engine of a serious automaker's car should be made by the automaker itself. Mercedes is not hurting and it

Re: [MBZ] Tools

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Wait till you misplace your 15mm spanner and you'll find out why you need a 19/32. Hendrik who has both AF and metric tools WILTON wrote: Philips: rounded, torque limiting cross slots. Reed Prince: crisp, sharp-cornered cross slots - take higher torque than Philips. Wilton - Original

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Exactly, and BMW is not putting japcrap engines in their cars. So Mercedes will not be kicking anyone's ass with a Nissan powerplant. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: BMW are kicking their behinds when it comes to engines and Daimler

Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

2012-01-15 Thread Mountain Man
Mike wrote: How many folks really need more than 100hp or so in a car?  I would prefer mpg over hp any day. I agree. I see no need for more than the 67/85hp in my '84 euro 616 engine. Let others spew hydrocarbons in to the global warming crisis - I just puff out some carbon soot which

Re: [MBZ] SsangYong engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Yeah I was gonna mention SsangYong and the box, by box I mean their delivery vans, which carry an MB badge but are nothing like an MB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_MB100 Dimitri would have a complete melt down if he ever drove one. Cheap and nasty is the best way to describe them.

Re: [MBZ] CL dreamer - $2k for dead 190D

2012-01-15 Thread WILTON
Wonder what else happened inside when the chain broke. Very likely not just a chain replacement. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:18 PM Subject: [MBZ] CL dreamer - $2k

Re: [MBZ] MB plants

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Hmmnh, not sure but I thought that only RH drive C's where made in SA. Hendrik who could be wrong and is to lazy to google relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Yep, Mercedes made in china!!!.. Wiki didn't mention it but China has become a huge market for the Porsche Cayenne and Porsche Panamera.

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start quotes

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Why? Sounds like he is putting the list and it's members down. Hendrik who is talking the list up Max wrote: Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Hahahahahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Michael Canfield
Ok Dimitri. Now you are going beyond ridiculous with your argument. Take a look at Nissan's performance models not available in the US such as the Skyline. Then look at the miles a well maintained Nissan engine of almost any sort is known for running. No, they are not MBZ diesels that last

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Thank you, thank you... On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Kaleb, I nominate this for the quotes page! Will someone second the motion? Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Asking for a solution to a 2003 Mercedes anything here is like asking

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Yes but BMW supply engines for Rolls Royce, which of course would mean that modern RR's are not real RR's. However they seem to be selling well and making money, so I would guess that the people who have the dosh to buy an RR, do not particularly care who supplies the engines. Hendrik who

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Naive are those who think that mating a Mercedes chassis with a Nissan engine is a wise move. Let's not compare a beautifully smooth I-6 BMW engine with anything Nissan will ever make. Even if the Nissan engine is good the image is awful. The thought of a Nissan engine polluting a Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I'm not condoning RR for not building their own engines but at least the engine is German. Nobody can really talk down German engineering. The Japanese are followers not leaders when it comes to anything automotive. Mercedes has always been an automotive pioneer and as such they have nothing to

Re: [MBZ] 2003 C240 Cold start

2012-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Max wrote: Amazon has some decent prices. When I get one, I'd like to get the ability to monitor stuff while driving around. I use a ScanGauge II. Bought it three years ago to monitor MPG, but find it handy to put various sensor readings on the screen. They have a new version that only

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Mountain Man
Dimitri wrote: True but the engine of a serious automaker's car should be made by the automaker itself. Mercedes is not hurting and it is fully capable of making   perfectly capable engines. So why Nissan? Cost cutting of course. Low production niche vehicles made by small scale manufacturers

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Walt Zarnoch
I take it you also want MB to make their own sensors, ECU's, and even discreet semiconductors, FR-4 board substrate, the copper for those circuit boards, wire, and insulation as well? Maybe have them formulate, produce, and mix their own paint and pigments, grow their own cows for the leather,

Re: [MBZ] MAF

2012-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
relng...@aol.com wrote: ..The only time I absolutely could not start an electronic fuel injected car (running fine when I shut it off), the MAP sensor had died,.. I guess you mean MAF (mass airflow sensor) and these components have been That's only because you like to guess that anybody who

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Mountain Man
Walt wrote: Where does it end? All of USA citizens sitting on the veranda sipping sweet tea, smoking cubans, all day, every day. We don't give a hoot about where the tea is made, how it is sweetened, whether we ever get up from our seat, or if we ever see or hear another thing from another human

Re: [MBZ] MAF

2012-01-15 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote: That's only because you like to guess that anybody who isn't you doesn't know what the *banned* he's talking about. ooops - you been a bd man mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Nope. I never said that. The ENGINE should be built by Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I take it you also want MB to make their own sensors, ECU's, and even discreet semiconductors, FR-4 board substrate, the copper for those

Re: [MBZ] Pissed off, sounds like

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
That's only because you like to guess that anybody who isn't you doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. I described buying and installing the thing, can't you fathom the possibility that a former certified master automotive technician would know what a Manifold Absolute

Re: [MBZ] Serious, he says...

2012-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Rick Knoble wrote:'s From: relng...@aol.com And who built the Ford SHO engine, pray tell? That would be Yamaha. At least the old SHO. I believe the current model is some modifed eco-boost twin turbo by Ford. Yeah, I assume he meant 89-95. I drove a '93 once, was kind of underwhelmed. I

Re: [MBZ] Pissed off, sounds like

2012-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
relng...@aol.com wrote: All right all right. I take your point. Why is it you have never mentioned these qualifications before? And when was this? I thought you were some kind of accountant. I am that, have been for the last couple of decades since I got my BBA degree. I think I mentioned

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 15, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: what's the name of that luxury Jag leather? Connolly. http://connollyusa.com/ Rick Sent from my ATT rotary phone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Pissed off, sounds like

2012-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: I think I mentioned what I was, on the Sexton list, 9-10 years ago. My only dealership experience was when I was 22 years old working on Honda motorcycles. Actually, now that I think about it, don't I mention my days as a Saab indy about once a year? I've forgotten more

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Walt Zarnoch
But the sensors and ECU are the reason the engine runs! They're an integral part of the system that makes that engine function, so they MUST be made by MB. Sorry, bit of sarcasm, but hopefully you see my point, that the engine itself is more than just the hunk of metal that gets machined. I just

Re: [MBZ] Pissed off, sounds like

2012-01-15 Thread E M
Now I know who to email the next time I do some tinkering on the old 911. ;-) Ed 300E On 15 January 2012 22:10, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: I think I mentioned what I was, on the Sexton list, 9-10 years ago. My only dealership experience was when I was 22 years

Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

2012-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: How many folks really need more than 100hp or so in a car? I would prefer mpg over hp any day. Well if you want a 100HP car I'm sure you can find one. Any of the clown car hybrid green eco cars probably qualifies. Some of us prefer cars with some

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: Ok Dimitri. Now you are going beyond ridiculous with your argument. Take a look at Nissan's performance models not available in the US such as the Skyline. I saw a Skyline here about two weeks ago. Wondered what it was, as it was quite

Re: [MBZ] cold start valves

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
As I said earlier, I replaced a temp sender on my Mum's 190E because it too was hard to start, hot or cold. Actually I got it to start better disconnecting the cold start valve, which meant that the valve was squirting fuel into the motor.. Which reminds me, lo these many years ago, I

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class?

2012-01-15 Thread Dieselhead
\ I am purchasing an automobile, and the heart of an automobile, to me, is a reliable engine. I call an engine swap a heart transplant, so I agree with the analogy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: Naive are those who think that mating a Mercedes chassis with a Nissan engine is a wise move. Let's not compare a beautifully smooth I-6 BMW engine with anything Nissan will ever make. Even if the Nissan engine is good the image is awful. The

Re: [MBZ] CL dreamer - $2k for dead 190D

2012-01-15 Thread Max
WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Wonder what else happened inside when the chain broke. Very likely not just a chain replacement. And what else was neglected or not repaired leading up to the broken chain? AC, suspension, power windows, transmission, sunroof. Should read invest $2k and

Re: [MBZ] Pissed off, sounds like

2012-01-15 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I've forgotten more about K-Jetronic (not KE unfortunately) than most guys will ever know. Wish I had known you 20 years ago. I had a 1978 BMW 530i with L-Jetronic and I don't think I ever got it right. I never got more than

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: I'm not condoning RR for not building their own engines but at least the engine is German. Nobody can really talk down German engineering. The Japanese are followers not leaders when it comes to anything automotive. Mercedes has always been an

Re: [MBZ] SA

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
..Hmmnh, not sure but I thought that only RH drive C's where made in SA... Not since the 2010 model year. The C63 still comes from Germany, being an AMG car. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Pissed off, sounds like

2012-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Rick Knoble wrote: Wish I had known you 20 years ago. I had a 1978 BMW 530i with L-Jetronic and I don't think I ever got it right. I never got more than 14-15 mpg with that thing. I believe it ran way too rich. I still have some parts for the analog injection around here somewhere... Rick

Re: [MBZ] PO'd

2012-01-15 Thread RELNGSON
..Sorry for the Banned talk, try to take it in the spirit of Banned list, not some jerk yelling obscenities... Again, point taken. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
It is built by Nissan in a Nissan plant. It is therefore a Nissan engine. Why doesn't Mercedes send those drawings and tolerances to one of their own foundries and machine shops and build it themselves? It's got to be a cost issue. And if it's not a cost issue then what is it- mercedes doesn't

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Does it matter, if the end product is the same? It may be that they need the production capability at the MB plants for a different engine, or that the Nissan plant already has tooling that can be used that would otherwise cost MB a significant sum of money. They may have sold some of the old

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com writes: Does it matter, if the end product is the same? It may be that they need the production capability at the MB plants for a different engine, or that the Nissan plant already has tooling that can be used that would otherwise cost MB a significant sum

Re: [MBZ] gaps in knowledge

2012-01-15 Thread E M
We're talking about 100HP per gear, not 100HP for the whole car, right ?? ;-) Ed 300E On 15 January 2012 22:17, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: How many folks really need more than 100hp or so in a car? I would prefer mpg over hp

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread E M
Both companies might be testing the waters working together, for some larger project down the road, that none of us know about yet. I don't think the Smart car is anything great, but it's still a market Mercedes wants in on, and will probably be a growing market in the coming years. Nissan have

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread John Freer
Except the Smart Car has a Mitsubishi engine! And, Roger Penske has pulled the pin on it as distributor. John On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Both companies might be testing the waters working together, for some larger project down the road, that none of us

[MBZ] Fums when the heat is on - 1985 300TD

2012-01-15 Thread andrew strasfogel
The 1985 300TD exudes noisome fumes through the vents when the heat comes on. Smells like some sort of burnt hydrocarbons but not diesel fuel. I cleaned up the engine and there are no leaks under the hood (antifreeze, oil, diesel, PS fluid). No stench when in cooling mode. What could be the

Re: [MBZ] Nissan engines in new C class, so what?

2012-01-15 Thread E M
Didn't say the Smart car had a Nissan engine, I said the Smart car isn't so great, but it's a market Mercedes would like a slice of, and Nissan are well established in it. We've had the Smart car in Canada, for a number of years longer than the US, as far as I understand. They share adjoining

Re: [MBZ] Fums when the heat is on - 1985 300TD

2012-01-15 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 15, 2012, at 10:19 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Possible hint: This problem only started after the transplant of a CA version 300TD engine. Cracked trap oxidizer that should've been disposed of? Rick Sent from my ATT rotary phone

Re: [MBZ] Fums when the heat is on - 1985 300TD

2012-01-15 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 15, 2012 10:02 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 15, 2012, at 10:19 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Possible hint: This problem only started after the transplant of a CA version 300TD engine. Cracked trap oxidizer that should've been disposed

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