Re: [MBZ] testing a rotary 109

[Hendrik & Fay]

Yeah things are a bit slow, thought perhaps the glorious leader of the 
new republic of America had taken over and banned everybody.
Anyway to save on button clicking I'll link this vid here 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucHv3TvDeMo&feature=youtu.be


Hendrik
who will not be investing in round engines

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Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL high idle

[Jim Cathey]

I caved recently and sent the SEL to the spa, which has taken
care of the worst of the miscellaneous fluid leaks.  I hope.
When I took it in to get licensed it failed its stink test,
due to its intermittent high idle.

That old thing.

I did some research and decided to try moving the brass
plug in the idle air valve, which I'd already cleaned and
found seemingly functional on the test bench.  I also resoldered
the OVP relay, which did _not_ want to open.  These two measures,
at least, were suitable to try at home.  After this I tried the
car again, and it seems to hold a nice low idle, even when hot.

I'll try the licensing thing again tomorrow.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[G Mann]

Hahahah.. yep.. I "Need" more machinery not...  a hand operated press
would be about right out at the Ranch... for once a year news letter ...
since that's about all the news that happens that far away from
civilization... one page.. once a year.. and half of that would be
"filler"... lol ;)))

Wonder what desert plants I could use to make paper and ink?? There would
be a challenge...

One of the first jobs I ever had was doing maintenance on a Lino-Type Press
for a local weekly newspaper... that was over 48 years ago... . It's good
to hear that someone has preserved an example of one and keeping it in
"working order"... They were the "I Pad" of their day...

Grant...AZ

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:49 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> If Rick doesn't want it, Grant needs it for his off the grid ranch -
> doesn't even need the sun shining to be able to print!  :-)
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > I think they are collected as examples of fine old machinery, or are used
> > by artisan types for limited runs of art printed on fine paper.
> >  There is a printing museum in Guthrie, OK - just 15 mile north of us,
> > but if they will take it, it will be as a donation. They have a room full
> > of belt driven letter presses, an ealry Linotype machine, and a couple of
> > hand presses, but I don't remember seeing a treadle press.
> > I'll try selling it first.
> >
> > Rick is refurbishing and selling them, I don't know how many nor to whom,
> > but they sure look pretty in the photos!
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> >> I am curious as to if anyone actually uses these old presses in a
> >> production environment.
> >>
> >> Is there a market for them?
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
> >>
> >> > Gerry wrote:
> >> >> This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through
> >> the
> >> >> early 1900's.
> >> >
> >> > The Freakonomics radio presentation recently had a story about how
> >> > Amazon is wrecking the print book biz.  There are now companies that
> >> > print books to order at prices below print books prices - some place
> >> > in TN or KY, I believe.
> >> > mao
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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[G Mann]

I've had great success with two hammers, no press.  The system works like
this, back off the nut, but leave it on to protect threads. Place a heavy
hammer [2 or 3 lb. works] on back side of the arm and smartly smack the
opposite side with another hammer that has good mass.. [light taps and
light hammers won't work here]. The shock translates into the taper fit of
the tie rod end and the taper fit of the control arm and causes the two to
separate.. it's fast and easy.

I learned the method after destroying several pickle forks, press devices
and other such things. Once you see it in action you may become a fan for
this method as well.

It does require some ability to strike what you are aiming to hit with the
"active hammer", but if you can drive a framing spike nail you likely can
do this one.

Good luck,

Grant...


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> Flame wrench is more fun, but I don't have one anymore.  Also exciting
> when you light the garage, grass, or fuel on fire.  Even burning rubber and
> grease can get to be a challenge.
>
>
>  Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  The trick with the HF (or anyone else's)
>>
>>> press is to put tension on the joint, then smack it with a 2 to 4 lb
>>> hammer.
>>>
>> Another method is to heat the joint when applying pressure with the H F
>> press.  Which is more fun, big hammer or blue wrench?
>>
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[Dieselhead]

I think they are collected as examples of fine old machinery, or are used
by artisan types for limited runs of art printed on fine paper.
There is a printing museum in Guthrie, OK - just 15 mile north of us, but
if they will take it, it will be as a donation. They have a room full of
belt driven letter presses, an ealry Linotype machine, and a couple of hand
presses, but I don't remember seeing a treadle press.
I'll try selling it first.

Rick is refurbishing and selling them, I don't know how many nor to whom,
but they sure look pretty in the photos!


There are a lot of old presses at Printer's Hall:

http://www.oldthreshers.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.printersHall

The print shop there was organized by Wray Sloan, and he used some 
antique presses in a production environment for certain jobs.  I 
think others have taken over to operate the Printer's Hall, as Wray 
is getting pretty old, and he has done his share.


Last time I was in BC, there was a 2 person print shop on Grandville 
Island (Vancouver) using antiques presses.


I have a retired minister friend in AZ who has two presses he used 
for small runs.



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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Dieselhead]

Flame wrench is more fun, but I don't have one anymore.  Also 
exciting when you light the garage, grass, or fuel on fire.  Even 
burning rubber and grease can get to be a challenge.




Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
 The trick with the HF (or anyone else's)

press is to put tension on the joint, then smack it with a 2 to 4 lb
hammer. 
Another method is to heat the joint when applying pressure with the 
H F press.  Which is more fun, big hammer or blue wrench?


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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[OK Don]

You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to visibly drop the level in the
tank, or run enough to see inside the car.
What then? Either put up with the smell until it does get really bad, or
replace the leaking part - hose or heater core.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:51 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> And if it is then what?  There is no loss of coolant or any liquids
> entering the cabin,
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> > You will be able to tell by smell whether the odor is an antifreeze leak
> in
> > the heater core.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andrew strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> And what would that prove?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max  wrote:
> >> > andrew strasfogel  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
> >> >>light.
> >> >
> >> > Anti-freeze:  test this by taking some from your car and heating it on
> >> your stove.  Beware that it is poisonous.
> >> > --
> >> > Max Dillon
> >> > Charleston SC
> >> > '95 E300, '87 300TD
> >> > ___
> >> >
> >> > ___
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[andrew strasfogel]

And if it is then what?  There is no loss of coolant or any liquids
entering the cabin,

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> You will be able to tell by smell whether the odor is an antifreeze leak in
> the heater core.
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andrew strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
>> And what would that prove?
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max  wrote:
>> > andrew strasfogel  wrote:
>> >
>> >>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
>> >>light.
>> >
>> > Anti-freeze:  test this by taking some from your car and heating it on
>> your stove.  Beware that it is poisonous.
>> > --
>> > Max Dillon
>> > Charleston SC
>> > '95 E300, '87 300TD
>> > ___
>> >
>> > ___
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>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[OK Don]

If Rick doesn't want it, Grant needs it for his off the grid ranch -
doesn't even need the sun shining to be able to print!  :-)

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I think they are collected as examples of fine old machinery, or are used
> by artisan types for limited runs of art printed on fine paper.
>  There is a printing museum in Guthrie, OK - just 15 mile north of us,
> but if they will take it, it will be as a donation. They have a room full
> of belt driven letter presses, an ealry Linotype machine, and a couple of
> hand presses, but I don't remember seeing a treadle press.
> I'll try selling it first.
>
> Rick is refurbishing and selling them, I don't know how many nor to whom,
> but they sure look pretty in the photos!
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> I am curious as to if anyone actually uses these old presses in a
>> production environment.
>>
>> Is there a market for them?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>>
>> > Gerry wrote:
>> >> This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through
>> the
>> >> early 1900's.
>> >
>> > The Freakonomics radio presentation recently had a story about how
>> > Amazon is wrecking the print book biz.  There are now companies that
>> > print books to order at prices below print books prices - some place
>> > in TN or KY, I believe.
>> > mao
>> >
>> > ___
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>
>
>
> --
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>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Proof of Life

[Rich Thomas]

Could be both

--R

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[OK Don]

You will be able to tell by smell whether the odor is an antifreeze leak in
the heater core.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> And what would that prove?
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max  wrote:
> > andrew strasfogel  wrote:
> >
> >>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
> >>light.
> >
> > Anti-freeze:  test this by taking some from your car and heating it on
> your stove.  Beware that it is poisonous.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '95 E300, '87 300TD
> > ___
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Proof of Life

[OK Don]

Yes, it is - you seem to be failing the test.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[andrew strasfogel]

And what would that prove?

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max  wrote:
> andrew strasfogel  wrote:
>
>>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
>>light.
>
> Anti-freeze:  test this by taking some from your car and heating it on your 
> stove.  Beware that it is poisonous.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD
> ___
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[OK Don]

I think they are collected as examples of fine old machinery, or are used
by artisan types for limited runs of art printed on fine paper.
There is a printing museum in Guthrie, OK - just 15 mile north of us, but
if they will take it, it will be as a donation. They have a room full of
belt driven letter presses, an ealry Linotype machine, and a couple of hand
presses, but I don't remember seeing a treadle press.
I'll try selling it first.

Rick is refurbishing and selling them, I don't know how many nor to whom,
but they sure look pretty in the photos!

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I am curious as to if anyone actually uses these old presses in a
> production environment.
>
> Is there a market for them?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>
> > Gerry wrote:
> >> This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through
> the
> >> early 1900's.
> >
> > The Freakonomics radio presentation recently had a story about how
> > Amazon is wrecking the print book biz.  There are now companies that
> > print books to order at prices below print books prices - some place
> > in TN or KY, I believe.
> > mao
> >
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[MBZ] Proof of Life

[Frederick Moir]

Is this thing alive?
Or am I persona non grata?
Fred Moir
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[MBZ] test

[Frederick Moir]

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Re: [MBZ] Ramps ypyvede0

[OK Don]

How about making the bottom board long enough to reach the rear wheels?
True, a large and cumbersome contraption, but with the front and rear both
under the car, you won't be able to push the front ramps instead of
climbing them. You'd need some cross strips on the rear portion to maintain
traction there.
Hmm - getting too big and complicated!

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM, G Mann  wrote:

> Tried some 1x2 strips glued and nailed across the ramp boards for traction?
> I would think one every 6 inches should do it?
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
> > They gave him some Amber and some Porter Espresso, which I did not try as
> > that stuff can be a bit heavy and I am not into coffee.
> >
> > I made some ramps out of stacked 2x12s for front and rear, they have to
> be
> > fairly long or the car spins the drive wheels when trying to get up to
> > quickly -- having each higher board about 6in shorter gives the wheels
> > enough to roll up the next 1.5" without having to climb them rapidly.
> > Sometimes on the steel ramps I have the car has trouble getting up too,
> > they are kinda steep and slippery.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 4/21/12 11:50 PM, Max wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Max  wrote:
> >>
> >>  washed down with some fresh beer
> >>>
>  the Palmetto Brewery GAVE him yesterday.   I win.
> 
> 
>   I love the Palmetto Amber, I'll take that over everything else if
> >>> available.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[Dan Penoff]

I am curious as to if anyone actually uses these old presses in a production 
environment.

Is there a market for them?

Dan


On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Gerry wrote:
>> This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through the
>> early 1900's.
> 
> The Freakonomics radio presentation recently had a story about how
> Amazon is wrecking the print book biz.  There are now companies that
> print books to order at prices below print books prices - some place
> in TN or KY, I believe.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[Mountain Man]

Gerry wrote:
> This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through the
> early 1900's.

The Freakonomics radio presentation recently had a story about how
Amazon is wrecking the print book biz.  There are now companies that
print books to order at prices below print books prices - some place
in TN or KY, I believe.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Floor Jacks, was Ramps

[Scott Ritchey]

A few years ago I bought a Sears floor jack with o ne of those quick-pump
features (raises fast until it contacts frame and then transitions to normal
floor jack).  In any event the feature failed such that the quick part works
but it never transitions to normal (slow but strong) lift.

Question: Any comments/recommendations to fix this?

Comment: Never had a problem with my HF jack.

Scott
-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:37 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps

BTW after reading this I'm reminded I need a new floor jack. My old
Craftsman (which I bought used) doesn't have enough lift to get my cars onto
my jackstands without blocks of wood on the lift pad. It also wants a
hundred pumps of the handle to get even that high.

I'm figuring this will cost me $200-$250. Any suggestions?

-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
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Driving up ramps is nerve racking for me and I never liked the saddle mount
stands I've owned forever.

My whole attitude about working under the car changed when I bought the Esco
stands reviewed here:
http://revlimiter.net/blog/2010/07/mega-jack-stand-review-1/
Weight rating is similar to my old stands but the way they sit under the car
gives me piece of mind over the old racheting version. I still put stacked
2x12s under the wheels.

Dave
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'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Max]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
 The trick with the HF (or anyone else's) 
>press is to put tension on the joint, then smack it with a 2 to 4 lb 
>hammer.  
Another method is to heat the joint when applying pressure with the H F press.  
Which is more fun, big hammer or blue wrench?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Brian Toscano]

Thanks Curt, I am still collecting data. That's why I suggested using
caution for extended drains rather than flat out saying "don't do it" which
is what you seem to conclude from my statements.  TBN is an important test
to tell you have much life you have in the oil.  Similarly, I don't find
the viscosity test to be completely adequate.  It doesn't tell you the
actual viscosity, just the range it falls into, so you have no real way of
knowing if the oil is thinning or thickening unless it does it enough to
jump a viscosity grade.  Recall that 5w-40 can actually be formulated
thicker than 15w-40 because the grades overlap.


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> So show your data!
>
> No data means you got nuthin, you're just following that somebody else
> said that Mobil 1 has "changed" and "isn't any good anymore".
>
> Why does my not having tested TBN make any difference?
>
> Besides with ultra low sulfur diesel TBN is less important than it used to
> be. Actually I was under the impression TBN was less important on diesels
> anyway.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:29:13 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thanks Curt, I don't see any point in furthering the discussion since you
> do not test for TBN.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the offer Larry, I have a couple kits left, I'd like the long
> > form next time if possible. How would I remind you of that?
> >
> > I'm still waiting for Brian to put up some data. He says Mobil 1 has
> > changed and isn't as good. I provide data points spanning 6 years that
> says
> > he's wrong, he just questions my data...
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Curt Raymond]

So show your data!

No data means you got nuthin, you're just following that somebody else said 
that Mobil 1 has "changed" and "isn't any good anymore".

Why does my not having tested TBN make any difference?

Besides with ultra low sulfur diesel TBN is less important than it used to be. 
Actually I was under the impression TBN was less important on diesels anyway.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:29:13 -0600
From: Brian Toscano 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Thanks Curt, I don't see any point in furthering the discussion since you
do not test for TBN.

Thanks,
Brian


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Thanks for the offer Larry, I have a couple kits left, I'd like the long
> form next time if possible. How would I remind you of that?
>
> I'm still waiting for Brian to put up some data. He says Mobil 1 has
> changed and isn't as good. I provide data points spanning 6 years that says
> he's wrong, he just questions my data...
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Curt Raymond]

It doesn't need oil, just just too short. It only goes up to like 15" which is 
barely high enough to get my jack stands under on their lowest setting.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:07:32 -0400
From: Michael Canfield 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Yeah, add more hydraulic oil to it.  Sounds like it has leaked out over the
years.

Mike
On Apr 22, 2012 9:32 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Did anybody else notice he liked the Harbor Freight stands better than
> Craftsman? I've been saying that for awhile about wrenches, HF is better
> and half the price...
>
> We went though this (on the list I mean) a year or two ago and I'm in the
> camp that doesn't see any disadvantage to the "ratchet type" which aren't
> really ratcheting anyway. With the pin type all the weight is on a
> relatively small pin. If that pin breaks its drop city. In either case
> though the car can only drop to the top of the base anyway. Worst case
> really is where it falls off the stand.
> This is why you buy over built stands, 3 ton stands for a 2 ton car.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Mitch Haley]

Ever pull the stand up against the car, and need to raise the car another 1/8" 
to get the ratchet to fully engage the next notch?


I think that's what happens with the majority of the 'ratchet failures', the 
handle hadn't fully dropped to let the pawl fully engage the notch in the 
sliding part of the jack stand.


Mitch.

Curt Raymond wrote:

I'm with you on the pads, for our MBs they make a ton of sense.

As an experiment a while ago I tried to lift the arm on the ratcheting stand I 
have while the car was sitting on it, wheels on, after I had just put the stand 
in place. With the weight of the car on the stand I COULD NOT lift the arm to 
disengage the ratchet. To do so would require me to lift the whole corner of 
the car.
So I took the 3# hammer and hit the handle (up of course) to try and dislodge 
it, nothing happened...

There must be more than one kind of ratchet because I cannot see on the stands I have how you 
could ever drop the car on yourself by "tripping the ratchet". Even if you did the 
car would still be 12" off the ground.
You could tip the stand over but you cannot trip the ratchet, at least on the 
stands I have which are MVP brand from Wal-Mart about 10 years ago.



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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Trust me on the Cman pros! They are very, very fine tools. Look em up on the 
garage journal tool forum and what the tool freaks have to say about them. 
Unfortunately, they are no longer made so you'd have to scour a bunch of sears 
stores to see if they have any left over NOS on the shelves. The new stuff is 
inferior Chinese full polish crap at inflated prices.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

The HF wrenches are like $9 for a set of 10 or 11. The Craftsman Pro line are 
like $5 for each wrench. It better give me a happy ending for 5x the price...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools
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BTW the "old" as in up until two years ago production of craftsman pro full 
polish combo wrenches were tool truck quality. The HF wrenches are complete 
crap when put up against the cman pro.  


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Dieselhead]

And the expensive ball joint press i rented was already sprung.  It 
was no better than the HF.  The trick with the HF (or anyone else's) 
press is to put tension on the joint, then smack it with a 2 to 4 lb 
hammer.  THe old joint will come out without ruining the press if you 
use care.  Going in is a cinch.





I have the hf ball joint press, pressed many sets in and out with it 
with no problem


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

 Some of them are great, some are junk.  I don't mind the poor 
finish so long as the working bits are the right size and shape and 
they don't bend.  There is nothing on earth more annoying than 
open-end wrenches that visibly spread when you use them, except 
possibly a Harbor Freight ball joint tool that bends when you press 
out a ball joint.


 Don't buy that set, its worse than crap.

 Peter

 On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Sears' demographic has changed significantly, and they are 
pretty obvious about it.


 I forgot to add that even 40 years ago, the cheap junk wrenches 
from india that you could buy for $3-5 per set were better than 
crapsman wrenches.


 The indian wrenches were almost identical to the "Heyco" german 
wrenches in my BMW and MB toolkits.


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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Curt Raymond]

I'm with you on the pads, for our MBs they make a ton of sense.

As an experiment a while ago I tried to lift the arm on the ratcheting stand I 
have while the car was sitting on it, wheels on, after I had just put the stand 
in place. With the weight of the car on the stand I COULD NOT lift the arm to 
disengage the ratchet. To do so would require me to lift the whole corner of 
the car.
So I took the 3# hammer and hit the handle (up of course) to try and dislodge 
it, nothing happened...

There must be more than one kind of ratchet because I cannot see on the stands 
I have how you could ever drop the car on yourself by "tripping the ratchet". 
Even if you did the car would still be 12" off the ground.
You could tip the stand over but you cannot trip the ratchet, at least on the 
stands I have which are MVP brand from Wal-Mart about 10 years ago.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 08:05:49 -0700
From: Dave Cavner 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
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I stopped using the 'ratcheting' type stands after reading a post on 
bimmerforums by a father who's son was killed by a fallen car:
http://bit.ly/I6bHOZ

It is just so sad. I'd never been 100% comfortable with my old stands so I 
bought new ones within the week.

Weight rating is the same as my old ones and they are made in China just like 
my old ones. The pins on my 'new' Esco's are 1/2" thick. I like that the flat 
surface is padded and fits perfectly under the W123 subframe mounts in the rear 
and the box frame (or whatever it's called) in the front. I used to spend a 
fair amount of time positioning the old saddle tops to get them exactly where I 
wanted them. The flat round tops are just easier to use - at least for me on my 
cars. 

Lots of ways to do this - everyone has their own preference and I'll never say 
my preferred choice is best. I just put it out there for consideration. Being 
safe is the thing. When I was trying to find the old bimmer forum post I ran 
across this: 
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/general-information/294952-man-crushed-working-car.html

Cars fall on people all the time. Be careful out there.

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)

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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Curt Raymond]

The HF wrenches are like $9 for a set of 10 or 11. The Craftsman Pro line are 
like $5 for each wrench. It better give me a happy ending for 5x the price...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT)
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BTW the "old" as in up until two years ago production of craftsman pro full 
polish combo wrenches were tool truck quality. The HF wrenches are complete 
crap when put up against the cman pro.  


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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[clay monroe]

block the wheels.  No matter how hard you try, you may forget the parking brake 
and it rolls and makes squish.  I think if you toss a few 2x12 under the ramp 
you can gain height.  May need to put a 60* cut on the end to continue ramp 
angle up


clay 


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1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
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On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> I just "discovered" them. I found a set at my local dump's swap shed. Used 
> them this morning to replace the muffler on my brother's 300TE. Worked like a 
> charm. Anyone here use them? Any safety suggestions?
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[MBZ] SL radio wires

[clay monroe]

Thanks to the list I was able to install the old 8 track in Frosch.  It fired 
right up and pulled in signal.

Antenna goes up when the car starts.  I think I need to move the power wire to 
share ground instead of power.  When the radio powers on then the thing should 
go up.  Power off, then drop.  Will need to clean the antenna so it keeps 
working.

Signal is pretty poor.  Lots of static and not really pulling in stations well. 
 Pop a line conditioner on power and the engine interference should go away.  
The mess with the dash speakers is another issue.  Instead of good old cones, 
he has some jensen multi-cone things that interfere with the speaker cover 
clips.  They stick out too far.  I have spare speakers that I will put in.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Max]

andrew strasfogel  wrote:

>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
>light.  

Anti-freeze:  test this by taking some from your car and heating it on your 
stove.  Beware that it is poisonous.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[andrew strasfogel]

Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
light.  I popped the hood and there was nothing going on - no leaks,
burning smell, or any indication of trouble.  So it appears that the
smell is being generated inside the system once fresh air has entered
the car through the intake.

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:01 PM, andrew strasfogel
 wrote:
> Excellent suggestions - thanks.  As a palliative I emptied half a can
> of Lysol into the air intakes and ran the defroster until the cabin
> smelled like faux lavender perfume.  This probably won't solve my
> problem but could buy me some time.
>
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Fmiser  wrote:
>>> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> My basic questions follow:
>>>
>>> 1) Where is the intake for the outside air?
>>
>> The grill thingy under the wiper blades at the base of the
>> windshield.
>>
>>> 2) Could smoky air smell be coming from some place other than
>>> the outside of the car?
>>
>> It's common for engine compartment smoke to leak out the
>> trailing edge of the hood and get sucked in by the cabin air
>> intake.
>>
>>> 4) Could there be a crack in the firewall that allows engine
>>> smells to pass inside the car (doubtful)
>>
>> Maybe not a crack, but there are a lot of intentional holes -
>> all of which are supposed to be sealed.  Speedometer cable, fuel
>> feed, heater hose, vacuum lines, etc.
>>
>> --   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Brian Toscano]

Thanks Curt, I don't see any point in furthering the discussion since you
do not test for TBN.

Thanks,
Brian


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Thanks for the offer Larry, I have a couple kits left, I'd like the long
> form next time if possible. How would I remind you of that?
>
> I'm still waiting for Brian to put up some data. He says Mobil 1 has
> changed and isn't as good. I provide data points spanning 6 years that says
> he's wrong, he just questions my data...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:05:38 -0400
> From: Larry T 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> Message-ID: <4f934b52.1090...@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> During the Oil Analysis test, the viscosity it tested at 100C.  a 15W40
> should test at 40W  (not below, not above) at 100C after 4000-500 miles,
> perhaps more...
>
> The oil analysis report is broken into 3 basic parts - metal
> contamination - looking for excess copper, lead, iron, alum, etc, then
> there's the Additives section where the normal additives are shown with
> their levels.  Finally theres the physical part where viscosity, grade,
> water presence, glycol presence, etc is shown.
>
> I can send more info if you;re interested in buying some kits?  I can
> provide this info to anyone of course - which includes a sample Analysis
> report.  The sample I use is a sanitized version of a real test - a long
> distance trucker gets his oil tested with me and I have a sample page
> with 5 or 6 tests on it.
>
> Sorry I'm getting to this late -
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
> On 4/13/2012 11:55 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> > What kind of viscosity is 40?  Did they test it cold?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond
>  wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't do TBN, viscosity was 40 on both, M1 5w40 was the oil.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:27:43 -0600
> >> From: Brian Toscano
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> >> Message-ID:
> >>  <
> cacncphnznkvk28vp2fs4kf8p69guxoe+l5evy+6xxn4cmt7...@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> Viscosity and TBN?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> And where are your results pray tell?
> >>>
> >>> Upfront I'll admit I haven't done TBN tests.
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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Michael Canfield]

Yeah, add more hydraulic oil to it.  Sounds like it has leaked out over the
years.

Mike
On Apr 22, 2012 9:32 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Did anybody else notice he liked the Harbor Freight stands better than
> Craftsman? I've been saying that for awhile about wrenches, HF is better
> and half the price...
>
> We went though this (on the list I mean) a year or two ago and I'm in the
> camp that doesn't see any disadvantage to the "ratchet type" which aren't
> really ratcheting anyway. With the pin type all the weight is on a
> relatively small pin. If that pin breaks its drop city. In either case
> though the car can only drop to the top of the base anyway. Worst case
> really is where it falls off the stand.
> This is why you buy over built stands, 3 ton stands for a 2 ton car.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700
> From: Dave Cavner 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Driving up ramps is nerve racking for me and I never liked the saddle
> mount stands I've owned forever.
>
> My whole attitude about working under the car changed when I bought the
> Esco stands reviewed here:
> http://revlimiter.net/blog/2010/07/mega-jack-stand-review-1/
> Weight rating is similar to my old stands but the way they sit under the
> car gives me piece of mind over the old racheting version. I still put
> stacked 2x12s under the wheels.
>
> Dave
> SoCal
>
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> '84 300TD (Euro)
> '85 300TD (Cali)
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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have the hf ball joint press, pressed many sets in and out with it with no 
problem

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On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

> Some of them are great, some are junk.  I don't mind the poor finish so long 
> as the working bits are the right size and shape and they don't bend.  There 
> is nothing on earth more annoying than open-end wrenches that visibly spread 
> when you use them, except possibly a Harbor Freight ball joint tool that 
> bends when you press out a ball joint.
> 
> Don't buy that set, its worse than crap.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
> 
>>> Sears' demographic has changed significantly, and they are pretty obvious 
>>> about it.
>> 
>> I forgot to add that even 40 years ago, the cheap junk wrenches from india 
>> that you could buy for $3-5 per set were better than crapsman wrenches.
>> 
>> The indian wrenches were almost identical to the "Heyco" german wrenches in 
>> my BMW and MB toolkits.
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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Go to harbor freight

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On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> BTW after reading this I'm reminded I need a new floor jack. My old Craftsman 
> (which I bought used) doesn't have enough lift to get my cars onto my 
> jackstands without blocks of wood on the lift pad. It also wants a hundred 
> pumps of the handle to get even that high.
> 
> I'm figuring this will cost me $200-$250. Any suggestions?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700
> From: Dave Cavner 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Driving up ramps is nerve racking for me and I never liked the saddle mount 
> stands I've owned forever.
> 
> My whole attitude about working under the car changed when I bought the Esco 
> stands reviewed here:
> http://revlimiter.net/blog/2010/07/mega-jack-stand-review-1/
> Weight rating is similar to my old stands but the way they sit under the car 
> gives me piece of mind over the old racheting version. I still put stacked 
> 2x12s under the wheels.
> 
> Dave
> SoCal
> 
> '82 240D (3 pedal)
> '84 300TD (Euro)
> '85 300TD (Cali)
> 
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[MBZ] View from Space

[Fred Moir]

Alles.
A line in an article about the International Space Station.
"It takes 52 computers to keep the place running. Its electrical system 
is connected by 8 mi. (12.8 km) of wires, and you could cover the floor 
of the U.S. Senate three times over with its solar panels (and no, you 
wouldn't be the first person to suggest that that would be a very good 
idea)."


Read more: 
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/21/stunning-footage-from-an-alien-planet-earth/?hpt=hp_t2#ixzz1smekXit3


--
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Lynn MA
Diesel preferred

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Re: [MBZ] Ramps ypyvede0

[G Mann]

Tried some 1x2 strips glued and nailed across the ramp boards for traction?
I would think one every 6 inches should do it?

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> They gave him some Amber and some Porter Espresso, which I did not try as
> that stuff can be a bit heavy and I am not into coffee.
>
> I made some ramps out of stacked 2x12s for front and rear, they have to be
> fairly long or the car spins the drive wheels when trying to get up to
> quickly -- having each higher board about 6in shorter gives the wheels
> enough to roll up the next 1.5" without having to climb them rapidly.
> Sometimes on the steel ramps I have the car has trouble getting up too,
> they are kinda steep and slippery.
>
> --R
>
> On 4/21/12 11:50 PM, Max wrote:
>
>>
>> Max  wrote:
>>
>>  washed down with some fresh beer
>>>
 the Palmetto Brewery GAVE him yesterday.   I win.


  I love the Palmetto Amber, I'll take that over everything else if
>>> available.
>>> --
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>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[G Mann]

Beautiful machine from a time when men were men, women swooned, and
children spoke only when given permission... a... the good old days...
;))

Preserve it !!  Somehow, it should be restored and saved with loving care.
[Imagine how careful with words the news media would be if they had to set
every word in type by hand.. in reverse first ! , No "24 Hr. news cycle
then, wouldn't be now]

Just a thought,
Grant... AZ

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> There's a "Printing Museum" down the road in Homossassa, Florida:
>
> Olde Mille House Gallery and Printing Museum
>
> This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through the
> early 1900's. Old-time presses, in working order, galley trays and other
> vintage printing equipment are on display. Changing works by local artists
> complement exhibits of the printer's art. The museum is located at 10466
> West Yulee Drive, across from the Yulee Sugar Mill Ruins Historic Site.
>
> http://www.frenchtown.com/**museums/OldMill/<http://www.frenchtown.com/museums/OldMill/>
>
> http://www.sandersonbay.com/**citruscounty/historicalplaces.**html<http://www.sandersonbay.com/citruscounty/historicalplaces.html>
>
> Would such a museum be in the market for more old presses?
>
> Gerry
>
>
> From: "OK Don" 
>
>> Photos of the Shniedewend & Lee Co. Old Style Gordon letter
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>> The type frame is ~10" x 14 3/4". It is treadle powered. Also included are
>> photos of the Showcard poster press. I have many fonts of type foe
>> each/both, and a homemade typesetting cabinet - all are available!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Horror freight 3 tons get good review. The Costco Arcan is also very well 
respected. You want a real jack, get a new - still US made Hein-Werner or AC 
hydraulics(Danish made I think) These will set you back 400-500 dollars.

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On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

BTW after reading this I'm reminded I need a new floor jack. My old Craftsman 
(which I bought used) doesn't have enough lift to get my cars onto my 
jackstands without blocks of wood on the lift pad. It also wants a hundred 
pumps of the handle to get even that high.

I'm figuring this will cost me $200-$250. Any suggestions?

-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700
From: Dave Cavner 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Driving up ramps is nerve racking for me and I never liked the saddle mount 
stands I've owned forever.

My whole attitude about working under the car changed when I bought the Esco 
stands reviewed here:
http://revlimiter.net/blog/2010/07/mega-jack-stand-review-1/
Weight rating is similar to my old stands but the way they sit under the car 
gives me piece of mind over the old racheting version. I still put stacked 
2x12s under the wheels.

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Dimitri Seretakis]

BTW the "old" as in up until two years ago production of craftsman pro full 
polish combo wrenches were tool truck quality. The HF wrenches are complete 
crap when put up against the cman pro.  

As far as lubing coarse tooth ratchets such as the old Cman stuff go with 
Permatex Assembly Lube. It is the preferred lube used by the tool afficionados 
you'll find on tool forums such as garage journal. They call it RLL or Red Lube 
of Love. It will smoothen out a ratchet's action like nobody's business!

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On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahhh Jerry, I won't mention where Craftsman are made...

I've given up on Sears entirely which probably helps to explain their troubles. 
The staff is what really gets me, they're idiots.

For tools that don't have moving parts I've switched entirely to Harbor 
Freight. Their wrenches and sockets are excellent. The only downside as Jim 
Cathy pointed out is they laser etch their sockets and if they get rusty you'll 
lose the etching. I'm planning to buy a punch kit if that happens. They're good 
sockets and come in a good carrier.


Only tools I have bought that say crapsman on them for the past 40 years are 
deep sockets.  Last I knew, those were still good.

40 years ago I spent what was big money to  me at the time for a snears metric 
set, with combination wrenches and sockets.  No complaint about the sockets, 
the the combination wrenches were crap even that long ago.  The box walls were 
so thick that you could not get them on nuts in counterbores.  The fit on the 
nut was sloppy, and the 12 "points" were  so far from the outside of the wrench 
that you round off a lot of nuts, or slip off and skin your knuckles.

Compared to the snears crapsman, the HF open end, box, or combination wrenches 
are way better.  Even if the cost was the same, I would buy HF over snears.  HF 
are better wrenches.

SK and truecraft are the best value for really high quality I have seen.   True 
Value/Ace is good too, but not really any better than HF.

I loved the SK 3/8 SAE socket set I used to have.


There are reasons Snears is going out of business.  One reason is the idiots 
they inhabit the stores with.  Crapsman is another reason.

RE: etched sockets
I plan to color code mine, and/or write on them with an engraver.
I bought a set of the HF color coded sockets too, and a color coded set of deep 
sockets.  These are only available in 3/8 drive unfortunately.

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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Peter Frederick]

Some of them are great, some are junk.  I don't mind the poor finish  
so long as the working bits are the right size and shape and they  
don't bend.  There is nothing on earth more annoying than open-end  
wrenches that visibly spread when you use them, except possibly a  
Harbor Freight ball joint tool that bends when you press out a ball  
joint.


Don't buy that set, its worse than crap.

Peter

On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Sears' demographic has changed significantly, and they are pretty  
obvious about it.


I forgot to add that even 40 years ago, the cheap junk wrenches  
from india that you could buy for $3-5 per set were better than  
crapsman wrenches.


The indian wrenches were almost identical to the "Heyco" german  
wrenches in my BMW and MB toolkits.


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Peter Frederick]

Terrible marketing, but after all, Sears is owned by K-Mart, so you  
really have a tarted up K-mart store instead of a major retailer.   
Sears missed the boat decades ago, when they slashed quality to make  
up for loss of catalog sales to the low end of the market.  Those  
sales went to the Wal-Marts, Home Depots, etc and now to the internet.


The marketing problem is selling more of what you are already  
selling, not finding a new, higher margin market.  It was a difficult  
time when the changes happened (the early 80's downturn) and I think  
the corporate board had become petrified at that point.  They missed  
the suburban super-expansion, and left their stores in the first  
generation malls  instead of moving them out like the crap stores did  
-- not that I approve of urban sprawl, mind you, but in terms of  
running a business, you have to stay with your customer base whether  
you like it or not.


Since the  Sears store was a long drive away and often in a  
deteriorating neighborhood and WallyWorld was right around the corner  
and you left less cash there, guess what happened.  The merchandise  
in Wally Word is junk, and vastly overpriced (the PROFIT margin on  
most of it was upwards of 90% when they first moved to China!), but  
Sears got left out.  They did the same thing here, closed the highly  
successful store on the north side of town, reportedly doing almost  
twice the sales as the "home" store in the old mall, in favor of the  
old store.  Some bean counter thought it was more important to keep  
the beans piled up in that corner, I guess.


Asleep at the switch.  Kills lots of businesses.

Peter

On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Dieselhead wrote:


Ahhh Jerry, I won't mention where Craftsman are made...

I've given up on Sears entirely which probably helps to explain  
their troubles. The staff is what really gets me, they're idiots.


For tools that don't have moving parts I've switched entirely to  
Harbor Freight. Their wrenches and sockets are excellent. The only  
downside as Jim Cathy pointed out is they laser etch their sockets  
and if they get rusty you'll lose the etching. I'm planning to buy  
a punch kit if that happens. They're good sockets and come in a  
good carrier.




Only tools I have bought that say crapsman on them for the past 40  
years are deep sockets.  Last I knew, those were still good.


40 years ago I spent what was big money to  me at the time for a  
snears metric set, with combination wrenches and sockets.  No  
complaint about the sockets, the the combination wrenches were crap  
even that long ago.  The box walls were so thick that you could not  
get them on nuts in counterbores.  The fit on the nut was sloppy,  
and the 12 "points" were  so far from the outside of the wrench  
that you round off a lot of nuts, or slip off and skin your knuckles.


Compared to the snears crapsman, the HF open end, box, or  
combination wrenches are way better.  Even if the cost was the  
same, I would buy HF over snears.  HF are better wrenches.


SK and truecraft are the best value for really high quality I have  
seen.   True Value/Ace is good too, but not really any better than HF.


I loved the SK 3/8 SAE socket set I used to have.


There are reasons Snears is going out of business.  One reason is  
the idiots they inhabit the stores with.  Crapsman is another reason.


RE: etched sockets
I plan to color code mine, and/or write on them with an engraver.
I bought a set of the HF color coded sockets too, and a color coded  
set of deep sockets.  These are only available in 3/8 drive  
unfortunately.


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Dieselhead]

Sears' demographic has changed significantly, and they are pretty 
obvious about it.


I forgot to add that even 40 years ago, the cheap junk wrenches from 
india that you could buy for $3-5 per set were better than crapsman 
wrenches.


The indian wrenches were almost identical to the "Heyco" german 
wrenches in my BMW and MB toolkits.


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Dieselhead]

Ahhh Jerry, I won't mention where Craftsman are made...

I've given up on Sears entirely which probably helps to explain 
their troubles. The staff is what really gets me, they're idiots.


For tools that don't have moving parts I've switched entirely to 
Harbor Freight. Their wrenches and sockets are excellent. The only 
downside as Jim Cathy pointed out is they laser etch their sockets 
and if they get rusty you'll lose the etching. I'm planning to buy a 
punch kit if that happens. They're good sockets and come in a good 
carrier.




Only tools I have bought that say crapsman on them for the past 40 
years are deep sockets.  Last I knew, those were still good.


40 years ago I spent what was big money to  me at the time for a 
snears metric set, with combination wrenches and sockets.  No 
complaint about the sockets, the the combination wrenches were crap 
even that long ago.  The box walls were so thick that you could not 
get them on nuts in counterbores.  The fit on the nut was sloppy, and 
the 12 "points" were  so far from the outside of the wrench that you 
round off a lot of nuts, or slip off and skin your knuckles.


Compared to the snears crapsman, the HF open end, box, or combination 
wrenches are way better.  Even if the cost was the same, I would buy 
HF over snears.  HF are better wrenches.


SK and truecraft are the best value for really high quality I have 
seen.   True Value/Ace is good too, but not really any better than HF.


I loved the SK 3/8 SAE socket set I used to have.


There are reasons Snears is going out of business.  One reason is the 
idiots they inhabit the stores with.  Crapsman is another reason.


RE: etched sockets
I plan to color code mine, and/or write on them with an engraver.
I bought a set of the HF color coded sockets too, and a color coded 
set of deep sockets.  These are only available in 3/8 drive 
unfortunately.


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Dan Penoff]

Sears' demographic has changed significantly, and they are pretty obvious about 
it.

Around here it is clear that they are targeting the lower end of the economic 
spectrum and certain subgroups, such as Hispanics.  It may be different in 
other parts of the country, but I can tell you without exception that the Sears 
stores around here not longer cater to the middle class Anglo demographic - 
that is clear the minute you step in the door, from the clothing to the tools.

Dan

On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Use synthetic grease instead of white lithium -- the lithium will dry out in 
> a few years and the synthetic won't.
> 
> Sears is going down hill fast (just like everyone else with a physical store) 
> because most economic activity is on the internet.  This is quite stupid, as 
> I can remember when Sears and "Monkey Wards" along with JC Penny were the 
> kings of ship to your door merchandizing.  Corporate memory these days seems 
> to be a few seconds, if they'd just thought a bit, all they needed to do was 
> add a computer interface (to the information system they already had) and 
> Amazon would never have gotten into the merchandizing business.
> 
> Sad.
> 
> The other problem is that all the merchandizers are run by accountants, and 
> they think minimum wage is pretty pricey for customer service.  Once the 
> commission system is gone, there is no incentive for the sales people to know 
> anything, so they don't.  In the old days, the guys at the tool section in 
> Sears earned a commission  on sales, and repeat business meant money in your 
> pocket.  You don't get repeat business when you give bad advice, or sell 
> crappy tools.
> 
> The quality of their stuff went down the toilet when Snap-On moved their 
> factory to China from the town up the road here.  Snap-on prices went through 
> the roof, I would assume because they had to replace a huge amount of 
> defective merchandise from the low grade manufacturing.  Sears bought Snap-On 
> without the polish, that's why their tools were so good, but now it's all 
> Indian or Chinese (or Vietnamese or Indonesian) stuff, which is usually crap.
> 
> I'll check out Harbor Freight, I really need a 1/2" drive set since my 
> brother re-possessed the set he "gave" me a few years ago.  I know some of 
> their stuff is junk, but at least some of their power equipment is the same 
> stuff as the big guys (band saws, lathes, etc) since there is only one outfit 
> doing the castings and machining.  Trim level is lower, it's more likely they 
> need some finishing work (alignment of wheels on the bandsaws, for instance) 
> and they don't come with all the bells and whistles, but a 14" bandsaw is a 
> 14" bandsaw these days, and the Taiwanese do a great job with the castings 
> and machining.  Throw the supplied blade away -- this is also true of every 
> bandsaw on the marked.  Why does everyone package a junk blade with an $800 
> saw?   A decent one only costs maybe $10.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
>> Ahhh Jerry, I won't mention where Craftsman are made...
>> 
>> I've given up on Sears entirely which probably helps to explain their 
>> troubles. The staff is what really gets me, they're idiots.
>> 
>> For tools that don't have moving parts I've switched entirely to Harbor 
>> Freight. Their wrenches and sockets are excellent. The only downside as Jim 
>> Cathy pointed out is they laser etch their sockets and if they get rusty 
>> you'll lose the etching. I'm planning to buy a punch kit if that happens. 
>> They're good sockets and come in a good carrier.
>> 
>> For ratchets I've bought SK from Amazon and they PHENOMENAL. I've bought 
>> Kobalt from Lowes and they're good too. None of my Craftsman ratchets would 
>> ratchet anymore so on a hunch I bought snap ring pliers from HF and opened 
>> one up, no lubricant inside. I put in some white lithium grease and the 
>> ratchet action returned. Too bad I'd waited so long, one had quite a worn 
>> gear from years with no lubrication but its much better now than it was.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:05:00 -0700
>> From: "Jerry Herrman" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools
>> Message-ID: <86EA15007479495CB1D5F47B6F1DEC04@JerryPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> A. With rumors that Sears will be going into bankruptcy, what will become of 
>> the opportunity to return "broken" hand tools to Sears for an even exchange?
>> B. I had a Craftsman good quality offset screwdriver (slotted, not philips), 
>> just like this one on Ebay:
>> 
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Craftsman-Crown-Series-94110-Double-Offset-Screwdriver-CLEAN-/400292779011?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item5d334f1403&vxp=mtr
>> 
>>   One of the four tips broke off while using it. When I brought it back to 
>> the store, all I was offered was one with one tip on each end, something 
>> that looked like it was worth about 

[MBZ] Jacks WAS:Ramps

[Dieselhead]

Farm stores or HF.  HF I think is dropping the good ones like I use. 
I have 2 nearly identical.  One from a farm store (~ $175  19 years 
ago) and one HF  (~ $135) about 10 years ago.  It is GREAT to have 2 
matched or unmatched!


I am not enamoured of the "rapid" ones.
You want length, and maximum jacking height
You want big wheels, not tiny rollers

This one seems like a reasonable compromise

http://www.harborfreight.com/4-ton-heavy-duty-floor-jack-with-rapid-pump-68056.html

For used, if you can find an old (~5 ton) one from a tire shop that 
is about 3 feet long, those are the best.  They will also cost 
plenty, even used.


I will not put my head under a car with a dinky snears jack

JACKSTANDS:
I see HF has the 5-6 ton jackstands on sale.  I trust those.  I don't 
trust any 3 ton jack stands. (HF or snappy, I don't care, the base is 
too small.)


BTW, if you already have cheap-a** 3 ton jackstands, get a 12 x 12 
hunk of 1/4" steel plate and weld the jackstand to that.  Especially 
good if you work on dirt or gravel.  When welding, I would reinforce 
the weld joints with L s of 1"  x 1/8" bar stock, unless you are an 
experienced welder and know your weld is stronger than the steel.



BTW after reading this I'm reminded I need a new floor jack. My old 
Craftsman (which I bought used) doesn't have enough lift to get my 
cars onto my jackstands without blocks of wood on the lift pad. It 
also wants a hundred pumps of the handle to get even that high.


I'm figuring this will cost me $200-$250. Any suggestions?

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Peter Frederick]

Use synthetic grease instead of white lithium -- the lithium will dry  
out in a few years and the synthetic won't.


Sears is going down hill fast (just like everyone else with a  
physical store) because most economic activity is on the internet.   
This is quite stupid, as I can remember when Sears and "Monkey Wards"  
along with JC Penny were the kings of ship to your door  
merchandizing.  Corporate memory these days seems to be a few  
seconds, if they'd just thought a bit, all they needed to do was add  
a computer interface (to the information system they already had) and  
Amazon would never have gotten into the merchandizing business.


Sad.

The other problem is that all the merchandizers are run by  
accountants, and they think minimum wage is pretty pricey for  
customer service.  Once the commission system is gone, there is no  
incentive for the sales people to know anything, so they don't.  In  
the old days, the guys at the tool section in Sears earned a  
commission  on sales, and repeat business meant money in your  
pocket.  You don't get repeat business when you give bad advice, or  
sell crappy tools.


The quality of their stuff went down the toilet when Snap-On moved  
their factory to China from the town up the road here.  Snap-on  
prices went through the roof, I would assume because they had to  
replace a huge amount of defective merchandise from the low grade  
manufacturing.  Sears bought Snap-On without the polish, that's why  
their tools were so good, but now it's all Indian or Chinese (or  
Vietnamese or Indonesian) stuff, which is usually crap.


I'll check out Harbor Freight, I really need a 1/2" drive set since  
my brother re-possessed the set he "gave" me a few years ago.  I know  
some of their stuff is junk, but at least some of their power  
equipment is the same stuff as the big guys (band saws, lathes, etc)  
since there is only one outfit doing the castings and machining.   
Trim level is lower, it's more likely they need some finishing work  
(alignment of wheels on the bandsaws, for instance) and they don't  
come with all the bells and whistles, but a 14" bandsaw is a 14"  
bandsaw these days, and the Taiwanese do a great job with the  
castings and machining.  Throw the supplied blade away -- this is  
also true of every bandsaw on the marked.  Why does everyone package  
a junk blade with an $800 saw?   A decent one only costs maybe $10.


Peter

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Ahhh Jerry, I won't mention where Craftsman are made...

I've given up on Sears entirely which probably helps to explain  
their troubles. The staff is what really gets me, they're idiots.


For tools that don't have moving parts I've switched entirely to  
Harbor Freight. Their wrenches and sockets are excellent. The only  
downside as Jim Cathy pointed out is they laser etch their sockets  
and if they get rusty you'll lose the etching. I'm planning to buy  
a punch kit if that happens. They're good sockets and come in a  
good carrier.


For ratchets I've bought SK from Amazon and they PHENOMENAL. I've  
bought Kobalt from Lowes and they're good too. None of my Craftsman  
ratchets would ratchet anymore so on a hunch I bought snap ring  
pliers from HF and opened one up, no lubricant inside. I put in  
some white lithium grease and the ratchet action returned. Too bad  
I'd waited so long, one had quite a worn gear from years with no  
lubrication but its much better now than it was.


-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:05:00 -0700
From: "Jerry Herrman" 
To: 
Subject: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools
Message-ID: <86EA15007479495CB1D5F47B6F1DEC04@JerryPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

A. With rumors that Sears will be going into bankruptcy, what will  
become of the opportunity to return "broken" hand tools to Sears  
for an even exchange?
B. I had a Craftsman good quality offset screwdriver (slotted, not  
philips), just like this one on Ebay:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Craftsman-Crown-Series-94110- 
Double-Offset-Screwdriver-CLEAN-/400292779011? 
pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item5d334f1403&vxp=mtr


   One of the four tips broke off while using it. When I brought it  
back to the store, all I was offered was one with one tip on each  
end, something that looked like it was worth about 50 cents.
   I decided to hold out for an identical one, but I do not know if  
Craftsman still makes them. Can I make Sears buy me the one on Ebay?


C. One day about five years ago, I was examining a 7/16 wrench in  
my tool box. It surprised me to see "Craftsman" printed on one side  
and "Made in Japan" written on the other side. When I asked  
the guy at Sears, he merely shrugged. Incidentally, its been my  
experience at the Sears store I frequent that most of the employees  
know next to nothing about tools, and those who know something have  
a limited knowledge, though they do have a good grasp of their  
inventory. As a kid, when my father s

Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Curt Raymond]

I saw once where somebody had done the same thing with railroad ties. A poor 
man's outdoor pit if you will. With an EZ Up tent over top it could be quite 
pleasant.

I'm thinking rather intimately of a concrete pad next to my garage so I could 
have a car out of service on stands without impacting getting in and out of my 
garage on the paved pad. (one car garage, one car paved pad in front of it.)

-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:51:10 -0700
From: G Mann 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Some time ago I solved that problem by making a set of drive up ramps using
2X12 lumber and 4x4's in short lengths as spacers [laid the 4x4x12 pieces
at 12 in. intervals and spiked it all together]. The end result was a drive
on ramp that elevated the entire car about 2 ft. I put a big block at the
end to keep from driving forward to far and set the slope so I could drive
up easily on the approach end. I put 4x4 posts in the ground to keep the
ramps from twisting out of position and it was all pretty safe and solid.
After the first time using it, I laid bricks in sand between the ramps and
could actually work off a creeper with room to spare.
It worked well until I moved and the new owner used it for a time as well.

If I was to do it again I would likely make the whole thing out of steel
square tubing, however, as a quick and dirty it didn't cost all that much
and was quick to build.. saved a lot of time and effort jacking up cars and
trying to work on them and I felt much safer.

Grant... AZ

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Curt Raymond]

Thanks for the offer Larry, I have a couple kits left, I'd like the long form 
next time if possible. How would I remind you of that?

I'm still waiting for Brian to put up some data. He says Mobil 1 has changed 
and isn't as good. I provide data points spanning 6 years that says he's wrong, 
he just questions my data...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:05:38 -0400
From: Larry T 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
Message-ID: <4f934b52.1090...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

During the Oil Analysis test, the viscosity it tested at 100C.  a 15W40 
should test at 40W  (not below, not above) at 100C after 4000-500 miles, 
perhaps more...

The oil analysis report is broken into 3 basic parts - metal 
contamination - looking for excess copper, lead, iron, alum, etc, then 
there's the Additives section where the normal additives are shown with 
their levels.  Finally theres the physical part where viscosity, grade, 
water presence, glycol presence, etc is shown.

I can send more info if you;re interested in buying some kits?  I can 
provide this info to anyone of course - which includes a sample Analysis 
report.  The sample I use is a sanitized version of a real test - a long 
distance trucker gets his oil tested with me and I have a sample page 
with 5 or 6 tests on it.

Sorry I'm getting to this late -

LarryT
91 300D

On 4/13/2012 11:55 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> What kind of viscosity is 40?  Did they test it cold?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>> I didn't do TBN, viscosity was 40 on both, M1 5w40 was the oil.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:27:43 -0600
>> From: Brian Toscano
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
>> Message-ID:
>>  
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Viscosity and TBN?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And where are your results pray tell?
>>>
>>> Upfront I'll admit I haven't done TBN tests.

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Re: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools

[Curt Raymond]

Ahhh Jerry, I won't mention where Craftsman are made...

I've given up on Sears entirely which probably helps to explain their troubles. 
The staff is what really gets me, they're idiots.

For tools that don't have moving parts I've switched entirely to Harbor 
Freight. Their wrenches and sockets are excellent. The only downside as Jim 
Cathy pointed out is they laser etch their sockets and if they get rusty you'll 
lose the etching. I'm planning to buy a punch kit if that happens. They're good 
sockets and come in a good carrier.

For ratchets I've bought SK from Amazon and they PHENOMENAL. I've bought Kobalt 
from Lowes and they're good too. None of my Craftsman ratchets would ratchet 
anymore so on a hunch I bought snap ring pliers from HF and opened one up, no 
lubricant inside. I put in some white lithium grease and the ratchet action 
returned. Too bad I'd waited so long, one had quite a worn gear from years with 
no lubrication but its much better now than it was.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:05:00 -0700
From: "Jerry Herrman" 
To: 
Subject: [MBZ] Craftsman Tools
Message-ID: <86EA15007479495CB1D5F47B6F1DEC04@JerryPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

A. With rumors that Sears will be going into bankruptcy, what will become of 
the opportunity to return "broken" hand tools to Sears for an even exchange?
B. I had a Craftsman good quality offset screwdriver (slotted, not philips), 
just like this one on Ebay:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Craftsman-Crown-Series-94110-Double-Offset-Screwdriver-CLEAN-/400292779011?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item5d334f1403&vxp=mtr

   One of the four tips broke off while using it. When I brought it back to the 
store, all I was offered was one with one tip on each end, something that 
looked like it was worth about 50 cents.
   I decided to hold out for an identical one, but I do not know if Craftsman 
still makes them. Can I make Sears buy me the one on Ebay?

C. One day about five years ago, I was examining a 7/16 wrench in my tool box. 
It surprised me to see "Craftsman" printed on one side and "Made in Japan" 
written on the other side. When I asked the guy at Sears, he merely 
shrugged. Incidentally, its been my experience at the Sears store I frequent 
that most of the employees know next to nothing about tools, and those who know 
something have a limited knowledge, though they do have a good grasp of their 
inventory. As a kid, when my father shopped at Sears, I would spend  as much 
time as I could in the tool section drooling over the choices.

D. I suppose it only fair to point out that Sears probably gets ripped off by 
those of us who, for example, use a normal socket in an impact wrench, knowing 
that if it cracks it can be exchanged for a new one.

E. Did you notice that Ace hardware now carries Craftsman tools? I thought they 
were exclusive to Sears. I understand Ace will not exchange a tool.

F. Please don't anybody ruin my day by telling me Craftsman tools are now made 
in China. They aren't are they?

G. I still have the 1/2" Craftsman socket handle my father used when I was 
growing up. That and a three-foot section of pipe made a fine breaker bar. It 
never broke or bent.

Jerry
1982 240D
won't mention the other one

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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Curt Raymond]

BTW after reading this I'm reminded I need a new floor jack. My old Craftsman 
(which I bought used) doesn't have enough lift to get my cars onto my 
jackstands without blocks of wood on the lift pad. It also wants a hundred 
pumps of the handle to get even that high.

I'm figuring this will cost me $200-$250. Any suggestions?

-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700
From: Dave Cavner 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
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Driving up ramps is nerve racking for me and I never liked the saddle mount 
stands I've owned forever.

My whole attitude about working under the car changed when I bought the Esco 
stands reviewed here:
http://revlimiter.net/blog/2010/07/mega-jack-stand-review-1/
Weight rating is similar to my old stands but the way they sit under the car 
gives me piece of mind over the old racheting version. I still put stacked 
2x12s under the wheels.

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)


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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Curt Raymond]

Did anybody else notice he liked the Harbor Freight stands better than 
Craftsman? I've been saying that for awhile about wrenches, HF is better and 
half the price...

We went though this (on the list I mean) a year or two ago and I'm in the camp 
that doesn't see any disadvantage to the "ratchet type" which aren't really 
ratcheting anyway. With the pin type all the weight is on a relatively small 
pin. If that pin breaks its drop city. In either case though the car can only 
drop to the top of the base anyway. Worst case really is where it falls off the 
stand.
This is why you buy over built stands, 3 ton stands for a 2 ton car.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700
From: Dave Cavner 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ramps
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Driving up ramps is nerve racking for me and I never liked the saddle mount 
stands I've owned forever.

My whole attitude about working under the car changed when I bought the Esco 
stands reviewed here:
http://revlimiter.net/blog/2010/07/mega-jack-stand-review-1/
Weight rating is similar to my old stands but the way they sit under the car 
gives me piece of mind over the old racheting version. I still put stacked 
2x12s under the wheels.

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)


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Re: [MBZ] Ramps ypyvede0

[Rich Thomas]

They gave him some Amber and some Porter Espresso, which I did not try 
as that stuff can be a bit heavy and I am not into coffee.


I made some ramps out of stacked 2x12s for front and rear, they have to 
be fairly long or the car spins the drive wheels when trying to get up 
to quickly -- having each higher board about 6in shorter gives the 
wheels enough to roll up the next 1.5" without having to climb them 
rapidly. Sometimes on the steel ramps I have the car has trouble getting 
up too, they are kinda steep and slippery.


--R

On 4/21/12 11:50 PM, Max wrote:


Max  wrote:


washed down with some fresh beer

the Palmetto Brewery GAVE him yesterday.   I win.



I love the Palmetto Amber, I'll take that over everything else if
available.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[Gerry Archer]

There's a "Printing Museum" down the road in Homossassa, Florida:

Olde Mille House Gallery and Printing Museum

This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through the
early 1900's. Old-time presses, in working order, galley trays and other
vintage printing equipment are on display. Changing works by local artists
complement exhibits of the printer's art. The museum is located at 10466
West Yulee Drive, across from the Yulee Sugar Mill Ruins Historic Site.

http://www.frenchtown.com/museums/OldMill/

http://www.sandersonbay.com/citruscounty/historicalplaces.html

Would such a museum be in the market for more old presses?

Gerry


From: "OK Don" 

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2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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