Re: [MBZ] GL/R

2012-08-16 Thread David Bruckmann
As I understand it, the GL platform is shared with the Jeep Cherokee/Dodge Deranged (developed before the divorce). So does that make the R platform basically a tricked out LWB Magic Wagon, I wonder? On 2012-08-16, at 22:49, Wilton wrote: > Well, I just did it again; 'looks same as first tim

Re: [MBZ] shaky GL photos

2012-08-16 Thread Hendrik & Fay
http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/GL/images/IMG_1030.JPG Notice how nervous Kaleb is, when looking at all those fancy bits and pieces, shaking like a leave he is. Anyway I would think the air filters are at the end of the air intake hoses, which are on top of the engine, wonder where the boxes such i

Re: [MBZ] shiny MPG

2012-08-16 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Bad luck Roger, you'd think that there would be an age restriction or different classes. One thing to keep a car spotless for a month or two but do that for 5 years and it shows some sort of manic disorder. I take it you don't keep pigeons? Perhaps next time around one will drop a bomb on the SL

Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D fuel injector operation

2012-08-16 Thread ernest breakfield
hi Michale! i didn't see you mention that you were working around a Veg Oil conversion in your first post, but i'd think a reputable Veg Oil conversion supplier would be willing and able to provide you with the information for the entire circuit; have you contacted them? whose Veg Oil

Re: [MBZ] GL

2012-08-16 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Well to be fair I would think Rogers car is cleaner. However I could live with that big fat all wheel drive beast but those things cost a bomb over here. What's the turning circle like on those? Anyway Regi seems happy with it. However the reviews are kinda scary http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes

Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread Gerry Archer
Closest number: This is actually quite rare, a prewar B&D original neck five-string. This was made after the original company was bought out by Gretsch and it bears a Gretsch tailpiece. The resonator is crystal pearloid shaded from silver to the color of a Kalua and Cream Sombrero. The peghead

Re: [MBZ] Carmaximum

2012-08-16 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiGppuHzjzk&feature=related Hendrik who hasn't bought a car in a relatively long time On 17/08/12 05:54, Donald Snook wrote: Dan wrote: "CarMax fills a void in the car buying experience where you don't have to haggle, they have in-house financing that

Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread Gerry Archer
http://www.banjo-brands.com/manufacturer.php?ID=1779 From: "Dan Penoff" Got a Gretsch "Senorita" banjo in the closet that the wife has said to sell. Can't find much on these on eBay or other online sales sites. Anyone know anything about them and possible values? Thanks, Dan __

Re: [MBZ] GL

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Hahahaha yep, and that 61 is the base I imagine without all the optiona Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Does this mean the Cheap Class stuff will continue, then? >> >> RLE > > C300 is MSRP at 38,900 > > GL350 Dissel IS MSRP

Re: [MBZ] oil filter

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I thought I was taking over the kia spot, guess woger is still trying to hold onto that. But thanks though Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:43 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: > The oil filter is the black plastic cap forward of the left cam cover. The > proper oil filter is the current f

Re: [MBZ] OT - TVs

2012-08-16 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Don't know what the story is over there but around here you can go for a drive and find an old CRT TV sitting on the side of the road, usually with remote and a sign on em that says: "take me I'm working". However no one takes em. We have a CRT that you can have for shipping costs, the missus wa

Re: [MBZ] GL/R

2012-08-16 Thread WILTON
Well, I just did it again; 'looks same as first time; not EXACTLY like son's R320 (maybe "much" is too much) - somewhat like; little boxier; son's R320 seems significantly bigger than a minivan; Gl does, too. Sure looks like same TYPE of van to me; even same seating. GL may be bigger than R, but

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread WILTON
51 years ago, the ONLY time I have EVER traded cars at a stealership (Raymondville, Texas), I had my figures straight when I walked in; 'told stealer what I wanted and, "Here's my car; I'll give ya my car and $." He glanced out window at my car; looked at me and said, "We have a deal." I w

[MBZ] Cheap class

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
2008 GL320 CDI was MSRP at 53.775 2008 C300 was MSPR at $31,600 Seems that makes the C300 cheap in 2008 as well as in 2012. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ T

Re: [MBZ] what I forgot to say

2012-08-16 Thread WILTON
Yep, movin' on up. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] what I forgot to say I now have a nicer car than Woger does. So now I guess I will get snobby.

Re: [MBZ] GL photos

2012-08-16 Thread WILTON
Oil filter is beneath left front corner of engine cover. 2 air filters; 'haven't seen location; according to son, not quickly/easily accessible. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: [MB

Re: [MBZ] GL

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
Does this mean the Cheap Class stuff will continue, then? RLE C300 is MSRP at 38,900 GL350 Dissel IS MSRP at $61,570 Seems to me that still makes the C300 cheap ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list arc

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread WILTON
Truth? Hard to find, I agree, but let me put it another way - something reasonable and believable. The real problem comes about when a certain fact may be obvious to me and most others, and a salesman tries to tell me a bunch of obvious bulls**t - now that makes me damned mad - goodbye, sales

Re: [MBZ] setting me straight

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
> ...And the oracle of "KIA" completely missed the face that an imperial > gallon is 160 fluid oz... > that was "Fact" about the imperial gallon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.ok

[MBZ] Speaking of 40 years ago....

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
40 years ago today, I got my R75/5. It was originally Silber mit blau but I later changed it to traditional BMW R_ colors. It still has only ~30k miles. Avon full fairing. Pretty rare these days. Traded off the R50/2 for it. Some things about the /2 I still like better, but the lectrik s

Re: [MBZ] GL/R

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> ..'First item to come up when I Googled MB Gl320CDI; 'looks much like > son's > '07 R320CDI; has the Gl replaced the R?.. > Better do it again since the GL and R don't look anything alike. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.ok

Re: [MBZ] no US manufacturing?

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the > US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it... > Do you mean that the Honda, Toyota, BMW and Mercedes plants here are all imaginary? And that the 2014 C-Class to be built in Alabama is a dirty lie? Oh, I forgot

Re: [MBZ] MPG

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> ...Will you compete in concurs? My VW is nicer than either of yours, > since > it's averaged 45 mpg since new and only has 3800 miles! Of course, my > criteria for "nicer" is not the normal set.. > No, I get it. Fuel economy is all that matters. As to Concours, my red C300 came home from last

Re: [MBZ] GL

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> ..I now have a nicer car than Woger does.  So now I guess I will get > snobby... > Ask Jaime about the differences in Nav and sound systems and get back to me. Does this mean the Cheap Class stuff will continue, then? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For ne

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
Exactly. Anyone who plans to make this significant of a purchase should perform their due diligence. And be willing to walk as well as be realistic about the dealer making a reasonable profit. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:39 PM, OK Don wrote: > You should decide what you're

Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
I sitll have the '63 Lugwig Super Sensitive 5" snare drum in the original case, with the original heads. I wanted to get rid of it when we moved last year, but the wife and kids nixed the idea. It's still just taking up space, but in the hanger instead of the attic now. In the ISUCFMB, in the d

Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
Yeah, I have my 6" walnut Ludwig of about that vintage in the original case. I think I threw out the Haskell Harr method books. I sitll have the '63 Lugwig Super Sensitive 5" snare drum in the original case, with the original heads. I wanted to get rid of it when we moved last year, but the

Re: [MBZ] oil filter

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
The oil filter is the black plastic cap forward of the left cam cover. The proper oil filter is the current fleece filter. I notice the oil sheet reference at the oil filler cap on the right. That filter size has been used since the V-6 came out and is now universal. When 10K oil changes became

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread OK Don
You should decide what you're willing to pay before you walk in. If you can't agree to that price or lower, walk out. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Fmiser wrote: > > > Curt wrote: > > > > > > "What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks > > > (as far as I know) sales of cars. > > > Donald S

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread OK Don
Yup, who's watching the watch dogs? On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 07:53 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > > > We 'assume' there is an effective, uncorrupt bureaucracy in place > > looking out for the interest of the plebe, but then we see corruption > >

Re: [MBZ] setting me straight

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> ...And the oracle of "KIA" completely missed the face that an imperial > gallon is 160 fluid oz... > You are logging on to Google faster than ever. While you may never be the new Dr. Diesel, you could easily replace Van Cleef. Provided you can do up those crispy pancakes, that is. RLE > > _

Re: [MBZ] GL photos

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Naw I will figure it out Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:13 PM, OK Don wrote: > Indeed - you are in for learning to take it to the dealer! > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > >> Here are some quick photos I took with my phone as well as a video so you >>

Re: [MBZ] what I forgot to say

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Hahahahahahahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > All hail the new KIA! > > > > > >> I now have a nicer car than Woger does. So now I guess I will get snobby. >> KIA = Know It All >> ___ >> http

Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread OK Don
I sitll have the '63 Lugwig Super Sensitive 5" snare drum in the original case, with the original heads. I wanted to get rid of it when we moved last year, but the wife and kids nixed the idea. It's still just taking up space, but in the hanger instead of the attic now. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:4

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The mb dealer worked on mine. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Fredd" wrote: > Dan, > > Many dealerships refuse to work with/for Carmax. > This to avoid discussions about problem points on the car. > My local MB dealer is less than 1/4 mile of Carmax, and Carmax is not allowed

Re: [MBZ] what I forgot to say

2012-08-16 Thread OK Don
Will you compete in concurs? My VW is nicer than either of yours, since it's averaged 45 mpg since new and only has 3800 miles! Of course, my criteria for "nicer" is not the normal set. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I now have a nicer car than Woger does. So now I g

Re: [MBZ] miles vs km

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> ...Oh, thanks for educating me in that regard.  I had no idea. But that > said, you missed the whole point of the comment... > Your point was flawed because you think the UK has gone metric. Or thought. The easy way to convert imperial to US gallons is just take the number and divide by 5 and

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread OK Don
My tactic is to sell my car to Kaleb, and only buy the new car from the dealer. If I'm buying a used car, I get it from an individual. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Thats a popular misconception with people, they think either negotiate the > trade first, then negotia

Re: [MBZ] A couple of Mercs from both ends of the spectrum

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
To make you feel better check this out http://www.derautojaeger.de/angebote/mercedes-benz-300-d-w123.html?b=10&p=1 kinda pricey though for the taxi pack version Hendrik who will not be pimping the S124 THe phrase I like best in the description is: Er ging aber nicht kaputt!

Re: [MBZ] miles

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> ...They use kilometers for miles, and they are a lot shorter.  It really > confuses the calculation... > > Not in the UK, they don't. Miles are equal here and there. RLE > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To se

Re: [MBZ] GL photos

2012-08-16 Thread OK Don
Indeed - you are in for learning to take it to the dealer! On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Here are some quick photos I took with my phone as well as a video so you > can see how quite this car is. Wife just got back in it so engine was hot > and electric fan kicked o

Re: [MBZ] A couple of Mercs from both ends of the spectrum

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
To make you feel better check this out http://www.derautojaeger.de/angebote/mercedes-benz-300-d-w123.html?b=10&p=1 kinda pricey though for the taxi pack version Hendrik who will not be pimping the S124 HellGrun and Stoffgrun are good names for the colors... __

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Fmiser
> > Curt wrote: > > > > "What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks > > (as far as I know) sales of cars. > Donald Snook wrote: > > My point is that the no haggle pricing is BS if they have it > priced over the market value. Why should no-haggle pricing always be below average? Average mean

Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
Since 1883, when 27-year-old Friedrich Gretsch founded his little shop in Brooklyn, N.Y., making banjos, drums and tambourines, The Gretsch Company has grown to produce some of the world's greatest drums and guitars over the span of four generations. Dunno about Gretsch, but Ludwig made drums

Re: [MBZ] what I forgot to say

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
All hail the new KIA! I now have a nicer car than Woger does. So now I guess I will get snobby. KIA = Know It All ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubs

Re: [MBZ] carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Rick Knoble
On Aug 16, 2012, at 7:38 PM, "Donald Snook" wrote: > Donald H. Snook > McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. Still at the office? Go home. You've got a wife and kid... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Rick Knoble
On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Actually I think its CARB... >> >> -Curt >> >> The reason you can't get a 70 mpg Ford Focus in the USA is EPA regulation. >> >> Rick >> Sent from my iPhone >> > > > Either/both... it is the same reason we don't get man

Re: [MBZ] carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: " You are exactly right snook, that is exactly how it is done and what you should be looking for. They could give you $1 for your car if their car is super super cheap." THANKS! I'm married, so it's so rare that anyone says that I am exactly right! :) I'm joking, of course. I h

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
This may be a local issue, Fredd, as I know two people that have purchased cars at CarMax here in Tampa and both got PPIs at the local dealerships. One was a Ford and the other a Nissan. I can't vouch for the MB dealers around here except for one, and they don't cooperate with any of the other

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
Please re-read my comments that you quoted below - I never suggested that access to the Black Book should be free - please don't put words in my mouth. I was suggesting that unlike many similar resources, it is not readily available to the masses, even for a fee. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 8:01

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Allan Streib
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 07:53 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > We 'assume' there is an effective, uncorrupt bureaucracy in place > looking out for the interest of the plebe, but then we see corruption > and purchased oversight that is ineffective. Exactly, there was a story here recently that a local s

[MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Fredd
Dan, Many dealerships refuse to work with/for Carmax. This to avoid discussions about problem points on the car. My local MB dealer is less than 1/4 mile of Carmax, and Carmax is not allowed on their property. I also know plenty of independent shops who refuse anything from Carmax for the same

[MBZ] A couple of Mercs from both ends of the spectrum

2012-08-16 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Best to have a bucket on standby before viewing THIS http://www.imperium.de/fusseltuning/details.php?image_id=3514 To make you feel better check this out http://www.derautojaeger.de/angebote/mercedes-benz-300-d-w123.html?b=10&p=1 kinda pricey though for the taxi pack version Hendrik who will not

[MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Fredd
Dan, It's part of a membership in a trade organisation. What's wrong with that ? Why should you have free access to that information when others have to pay membership fees ? Fredd I have found that a lot of lenders will let you look stuff up, but my point was that the Black Book is not som

Re: [MBZ] Bosch IP Durability

2012-08-16 Thread Scott Ritchey
Latest sounds like metallurgy/heat treatment and they are really made by DooWan, not Bosch. Guess I owe Bosch an apology. An earlier report said an original (bad) IP was labeled Bosch and the replacement said Bosch on the box. However, the latest victim reports her IP had a tag that said it was

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Mountain Man
Curt wrote: > Freemarket protections are a joke... I agree we've over regulated but > wholesale de-regulation will return us to the bad old days... The "over-regulated" has a cost also, hence, the objective of "wholesale de-regulation" might get us back to square one and we might regulate sensib

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Mountain Man
Curt wrote: > We've slit our own throats at the altar of low prices. We call that Wally-rigged. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change deli

Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The gl definatly does not look like a mini van. It's about the size of a Tahoe. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > Kaleb wrote: >> I think the RL is ugly also, its really about like a mini van > > The pictures I find online of your Gl320 cdi made me think t

Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Mountain Man
Kaleb wrote: > I think the RL is ugly also, its really about like a mini van The pictures I find online of your Gl320 cdi made me think the same - much like a minivan. You gotta post pics of yours - or maybe I haven't read this thread far enough... mao ___ htt

Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
Upon closer look, it's actually a B&D (Bacon & Day) made for Gretsch with a serial number 5897. Hmm. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Got a Gretsch "Senorita" banjo in the closet that the wife has said to sell. > Can't find much on these on eBay or other online sales sit

Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D fuel injector operation

2012-08-16 Thread Max Dillon
Mike, Converted it into a PDF, hopefully you'll be able to open this and it will be useful to your cause... -Max -Original Message- From: Max Dillon [mailto:meadedil...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:22 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: 'Mike Esh' Subject: RE: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Thats a popular misconception with people, they think either negotiate the trade first, then negotiate the price on the new car, or vise versa. Either way, you are just dragging things out making the process take longer because no matter what you do you will end up at the same place in the end

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
You are exactly right snook, that is exactly how it is done and what you should be looking for. They could give you $1 for your car if their car is super super cheap. On 8/16/2012 3:39 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Curt wrote: " But now find the same car in the same condition for book. Oh and find

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Their approach is its like going to the mall or something, thats the price. Same as if you went to walmart to buy something. If you think they are too high, dont buy it there. On 8/16/2012 3:18 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Peter wrote: "Curt I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the

[MBZ] what I forgot to say

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I now have a nicer car than Woger does. So now I guess I will get snobby. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http

[MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
Got a Gretsch "Senorita" banjo in the closet that the wife has said to sell. Can't find much on these on eBay or other online sales sites. Anyone know anything about them and possible values? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts g

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Some of the regular car dealers will really screw people over. If they dont do it up front, they will do it in the back with they go to spinning the paper. Carmax was very laid back. If you have one near you, and you want to test drive cars just for the hell of it, that is your place. They

[MBZ] GL photos

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Here are some quick photos I took with my phone as well as a video so you can see how quite this car is. Wife just got back in it so engine was hot and electric fan kicked on but otherwise its about as quiet as a gas engine. I took photos of the engine compartment with both the cover in place

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
NADA and black book are 2 different things, I have access to both. You can do NADA online, anybody can do that. Black Book is dealer only. On 8/16/2012 10:46 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Do realize that companies like Kelly earn their money from dealers, so if you look closely at their values you c

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
In my case I was looking for a very specific vehicle. They seem to deal a lot in newer MB's, the price was fine (yes I did find cheaper ones here and there at other dealers but they were not local and who knows how they do business), I get a free 30 day warranty (I did not buy their profit mak

Re: [MBZ] miles

2012-08-16 Thread Greg Fiorentino
A mile here and a mile there are the same length. It's only in between here and there that a mile is different; about 2,000 yards. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The problem here is dealers do not use KBB in this region anyway, they used NADA or Blackbook. KBB almost always comes up with a low price. On 8/16/2012 10:21 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Just be sure that I was still accurate, I checked Carmax just now. I looked for a Black Nissan Altima with l

Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I think the RL is ugly also, its really about like a mini van On 8/16/2012 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: "Gl320 cdi, white with parchment, fully loaded with everything. That diesel puts out 400lb of torque at like 1600. Very quiet and smooth" Sounds very nice! Im glad I checke

Re: [MBZ] miles

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
And the oracle of "KIA" completely missed the face that an imperial gallon is 160 fluid oz. Oh, thanks for educating me in that regard. I had no idea. But that said, you missed the whole point of the comment. --R On 8/16/12 3:03 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...They use kilometers for miles

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Dieselhead
Actually I think its CARB... -Curt The reason you can't get a 70 mpg Ford Focus in the USA is EPA regulation. Rick Sent from my iPhone Either/both... it is the same reason we don't get many Dissels in the US of A or Norte Amerka. ___ http://www.okieb

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300CD Klima relay - where is it?

2012-08-16 Thread Curt Raymond
The local cats poop in my garden probably daily until plants come up and I'm not dead yet. I compost our dog's waste by throwing it under a tree in the corner of the yard where I leave a lot of leaves. Never any smell or trace of poo and again I'm not dead yet... All of our food waste goes in

Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

2012-08-16 Thread Curt Raymond
Sounds like they were very optimistic... An electric should do relatively well in stop and go traffic but you'd need to be gentle and not run the AC much. Its been very hot in LA lately so that would severely reduce her range. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:20:06 -0400 From: "Gerry Archer" T

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
I did this for a Nissan Maxima back in 1997. What was really interesting to me at the time were the dealers who were outside my immediate area (South Florida) that bid on my request. When I asked about how they would get the car to me, they said it would be transported to me and a local rep wou

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
Dad always told me to never bring a trade into the deal until you have set a price for the vehicle you are purchasing. That forces the numbers to be out on the table. It's worked for me the few times I've gone that way. In one case the trade in offer was so low we both agreed it wasn't worth it

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Dan Penoff
CARB is flat out evil. Sadly, most standards are being based on CARB's, which makes things all the worse. In my former business, CARB standards on stationary engines that might run 2-3 hours a month typically are now required to meet very strict emissions standard AND use exhaust catalysts. Th

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Allan Streib
Donald Snook writes: > you don't care what the price is AND you don't care what the trade in > value is. The only thing you should be worried about is the > difference between the two. At least in Indiana, there is some benefit to getting a high trade-in value because you don't pay sales tax on

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Curt Raymond
Actually I think its CARB... -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:56:28 -0500 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:29 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > But I disagree

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Donald Snook
Curt wrote: " But now find the same car in the same condition for book. Oh and find it at a dealer out of your state and have it shipped in... To compare you MUST compare like to like." The one my friend ended up buying was better than the one at Carmax AND it was local and no additional shippi

Re: [MBZ] miles

2012-08-16 Thread Rich Thomas
Oh, thanks for educating me in that regard. I had no idea. But that said, you missed the whole point of the comment. --R On 8/16/12 3:03 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...They use kilometers for miles, and they are a lot shorter. It really confuses the calculation... Not in the UK, they don't

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300CD Klima relay - where is it?

2012-08-16 Thread andrew strasfogel
I have yet to see any scientific evidence against the use of composed cat waste in a vegetable garden. The bugaboo spread by ignoramuses is the parasitic disease toxoplasmosis, which can spread from felines to adults and adolescents. In this specific case, our cats are 100 percent house bound, ea

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Rich Thomas
When I bought my Suburban in 2000 the GM web site had a thing where you could configure the vehicle you wanted, then submit the order to various dealers you could select. Then within a coupla days I had like 6 offers to sell me the vehicle -- several dealers around Houston, which was a very co

Re: [MBZ] Carmax

2012-08-16 Thread Donald Snook
Dan wrote: "CarMax fills a void in the car buying experience where you don't have to haggle, they have in-house financing that will cover a lot of marginal buyers, and they will buy decent late model cars directly." I agree they have a niche market. It's a great place for the people who don't

Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

2012-08-16 Thread Gerry Archer
"Gerry Archer" writes: Leaf [in] the stop and go of typical rush hour traffic caused her to regularly run out of electricity and have to be towed home. How long was her commute? Sounds like they bought the car being optimistic about range. The Leaf is good for less than 50 miles in heavy sto

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Donald Snook
Peter wrote: "Curt I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance

[MBZ] Okay, It's Not Friday

2012-08-16 Thread Rick Knoble
But here's a moose story anyway. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE87F0JK20120816 Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe o

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Donald Snook
Curt wrote: "What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any profit on anything means we ar

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb asked: "How long ago was that? I just know the ones I was looking at were under book and cpmpetitve to market. Now their trade in deal is a joke. I had them do an appraisal on my e320 they offered 1k which was way under even rough trade. Mine would have been average or clean trade. I sold

Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

2012-08-16 Thread Allan Streib
"Gerry Archer" writes: > Leaf [in] the stop and go of typical rush hour traffic caused her to > regularly run out of electricity and have to be towed home. How long was her commute? Sounds like they bought the car being optimistic about range. The Leaf is good for less than 50 miles in heavy s

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300CD Klima relay - where is it?

2012-08-16 Thread Curt Raymond
Anybody else read the humanure handbook? We tried it once at camp, can't find where I dumped the bucket anymore so I suppose it worked. Never had any smell or other problems. If I were going to try at home I'd make a special compost pile and let it age plenty of time. People get so worried abou

Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

2012-08-16 Thread Gerry Archer
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: I once heard something about after market unauthorized conversions so Prius' could be plugged in, but haven't heard anything about them for a long time. There were a couple that exploded. There are shops in various places (one of them is i

Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Yes that sounds like a good idea Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:11 PM, OK Don wrote: > You'll have to test the highway performance/mileage by driving over to my > place. We can compare the ML to it. > > On Thursday, August 16, 2012, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > >> Gl320 cdi, white wi

Re: [MBZ] miles

2012-08-16 Thread RELNGSON
> ...They use kilometers for miles, and they are a lot shorter.  It really > confuses the calculation... > Not in the UK, they don't. Miles are equal here and there. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search l

Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

2012-08-16 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > I once heard something about after market unauthorized conversions so Prius' > could be plugged in, but haven't heard anything about them for a long time. There were a couple that exploded. There are shops in various places (one of them is i

Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Gerry Archer
Based on my experience with air, I don't like a typical "medical air cushion". They seem to apply maximum pressure to all the areas they contact and tend to be "rolly". The cross pieces that support the springs were broken on my 300D, so I simply spliced them with steel rods or bars, I forget

Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

2012-08-16 Thread Rick Knoble
On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:29 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > But I disagree that ending regulation would fix anything... I didn't say a word about ending regulation. I merely pointed out a few acronyms of agencies who impede, if not outright prohibit industry from locating in the USA. The reason you

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