date:20170214

The Redners are an interesting clan and very typical of Tampa. Here's something 
about Redners son who isn't really his son:

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/in-tampa-a-conflicted-son-untangles-his-family-history-as-a-redner/1107959

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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

Where's Joe Redner in the midst of all of this? I thought he had something to 
do with the cab business in Tampa. Did he die or retire? Joe would have become 
a famous Tampa politician had he managed to get elected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Redner
Gerry

Dan wrote:
> Here's our current political cluster, of which I can only comment on in a 
> limited manner as my department has been involved with the investigation:
> 
> Our county has a commission, the PTC, which manages cabs licenses and other 
> forms of paid public transportation. It's been well known to be a serious 
> cesspool for reasons too numerous to go into here.  Suffice to say when Uber 
> and Lyft came onto the scene a year ago, the PTC and its "buddies", the local 
> cab companies, were in a major uproar over it and did everything they could 
> to keep them out of the County.
> 
> The guy who headed the PTC and his right hand thug were former sheriff's 
> investigators, to give you some context.
> 
> While both ridesharing companies attempted to negotiate ways of working in 
> the County, the PTC threatened them with all sorts of nasty tickets, 
> citations, etc., etc. to try and discourage them from operating. 
> 
> So dumb and dumber cook up this idea where they get cabbies to volunteer to 
> be customers for the ridesharing companies and hire them out. The punch line 
> is that when they take the "rider" to their destination, someone from the PTC 
> is waiting there with a citation for $700. Surprise!
> 
> The County administrator got wind of this while it was going on due to the 
> complaints and put the head of the PTC on suspension and ordered an 
> investigation.  This only pissed the doofus off, so it appears that in the 
> interim he gathered up many of the commission employees' County issued cell 
> phones and took them to an outside data forensics place to have them wiped. 
> So much for public records!
> 
> So now a citizen has filed suit for public records disclosure and doofus is 
> pleading the Fifth. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has, as one 
> might expect, opened an investigation, as destruction of public records is a 
> crime.
> 
> The best part? Some of his texts between he and his minion (who has since 
> resigned as well) have been made public, and they're not at all complimentary 
> they used to be online but have since been taken down. Here's an op-ed piece 
> on them:
> 
> http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/
> 
> It just keeps getting better...
> 
> http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.
> > 
> > On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I 
> > once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the 
> > former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings 
> > I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and 
> > presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was 
> > getting a little stale and I needed to find some more words to use (I think 
> > he was referring to my characterization of him as duplicitous and 
> > mendacious, so I guess I will have to start using two-faced liar).  I 
> > thanked him, then kindly suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and 
> > we would have him come to another meeting sometime soon, it would be great 
> > entertainment, we might even make a vid of it so everyone could see it.  
> > That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing 
> > is, I bet he was thinking about this for a whole week, and made a special 
> > trip to a bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited about it.  What a 
> > little d*ck this guy is.  He knows we basically killed his political future 
> > so this is how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > 
> >> On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> >> OT offering
> >> 
> >> When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And 
> >> sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim 
> >> understanding what you’ve done.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   *Insouciant*
> >> 
> >> When you want to say the defendants in the m

Re: [MBZ] OT chinee laser

You might be better off with a keychain bottle opener with SWMBO's face 
engraved  She can't complain, you get a opener for bottles of real 
beer!   and it will keep track of your MB key!



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 8:48 PM
Can you engrave wood with a scene, or a face? Make little personalized 
key fobs?


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Can you engrave wood with a scene, or a face?  Make little personalized key 
fobs?
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On February 14, 2017 8:52:29 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I got the new used chinee laser sorta set up but I have not yet 
>connected up the water cooler, will do that tomorrow.  Just been lazy 
>and trying to figure out the software that can make designs and control
>
>it.  It's actually not bad for free chinee software and there are lots 
>of tutorials about it.  Fairly large user community on these things, 
>they all seem to use pretty much the same bits and controllers and 
>software.  Yesterday I made some shapes in a CAD program I will try to 
>cut when I get it working to make some of these pieces to see if I
>could 
>make a "tiled" table top or something with different colors of wood.
>
>http://tilings.math.uni-bielefeld.de/substitution/equithirds/
>
>The problem is I can't get the old desktop XP machine to talk to it, I 
>finally figured maybe I should look at the CD that the guy gave me and 
>it has some USB drivers on it so I guess I will try to load them 
>tomorrow, see what happens with that.  The computer does not say it 
>needs some new drivers, it seemed to connect to the laser controller
>for 
>a short time, but then it wouldn't talk to it again.  But maybe that is
>
>the problem, I'll have to remember how to make it load drivers even 
>though it doesn't think it needs them.  I vaguely recall having to do 
>this with some other thing not long ago, so that is probably what it 
>is.  I hate computers and all the foolish nonsense that goes along with
>
>them.  or maybe winders XP.
>
>RTFM!!!
>
>-- 
>--FT
>Winston Churchill:
>“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
>large or petty,
>never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>of the enemy.”
>
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[MBZ] OT chinee laser

I got the new used chinee laser sorta set up but I have not yet 
connected up the water cooler, will do that tomorrow.  Just been lazy 
and trying to figure out the software that can make designs and control 
it.  It's actually not bad for free chinee software and there are lots 
of tutorials about it.  Fairly large user community on these things, 
they all seem to use pretty much the same bits and controllers and 
software.  Yesterday I made some shapes in a CAD program I will try to 
cut when I get it working to make some of these pieces to see if I could 
make a "tiled" table top or something with different colors of wood.


http://tilings.math.uni-bielefeld.de/substitution/equithirds/

The problem is I can't get the old desktop XP machine to talk to it, I 
finally figured maybe I should look at the CD that the guy gave me and 
it has some USB drivers on it so I guess I will try to load them 
tomorrow, see what happens with that.  The computer does not say it 
needs some new drivers, it seemed to connect to the laser controller for 
a short time, but then it wouldn't talk to it again.  But maybe that is 
the problem, I'll have to remember how to make it load drivers even 
though it doesn't think it needs them.  I vaguely recall having to do 
this with some other thing not long ago, so that is probably what it 
is.  I hate computers and all the foolish nonsense that goes along with 
them.  or maybe winders XP.


RTFM!!!

--
--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] 124matic

It is definitely not a 4 matic

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> On Feb 14, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has kollyfonia license plates on it.  No indication it really is a 4 matic,  
> no logo on the rear lid , nothing on the center controls  I think it is a 
> ordinary US S124/OM603 if one of 1700 is ever "ordinary."
> 
> 
>> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
>> February 14, 2017 at 5:55 PM
>> https://www.classic-trader.com/us/cars/listing/mercedes-benz/e-class/300-td-turbo-4-matic/1987/49445
>> [https://cdn.classic-trader.com/I/images/640_480/vehicle_ad_standard_image_550fc3a030c9ecdfe7046946b3d86673.jpg]
>> 
>> For Sale: Mercedes-Benz 300 TD Turbo 4-Matic (1987 
>> ...
>> www.classic-trader.com
>> Subject . Request for Mercedes-Benz 300 TD Turbo 4-Matic (1987) | 
>> Vehicle-ID: 49445
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...



Would it not be easier to put the 4matic parts under a 124 300TD?


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 6:01 PM
Not if what you really wanted was a wagon...
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 124matic

Has kollyfonia license plates on it.  No indication it really is a 4 
matic,  no logo on the rear lid , nothing on the center controls  I 
think it is a ordinary US S124/OM603 if one of 1700 is ever "ordinary."




Fred Moir via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 5:55 PM
https://www.classic-trader.com/us/cars/listing/mercedes-benz/e-class/300-td-turbo-4-matic/1987/49445
[https://cdn.classic-trader.com/I/images/640_480/vehicle_ad_standard_image_550fc3a030c9ecdfe7046946b3d86673.jpg]

For Sale: Mercedes-Benz 300 TD Turbo 4-Matic (1987 
...

www.classic-trader.com
Subject . Request for Mercedes-Benz 300 TD Turbo 4-Matic (1987) | 
Vehicle-ID: 49445






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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Nope, not even possible. The 4 matic has a raised floor section on both sides 
of the center console to allow room for the transfer case. Shifter sits up a 
little higher as well 

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> On Feb 14, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would it not be easier to put the 4matic parts under a 124 300D?
> 
>> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
>> February 14, 2017 at 4:56 PM
>> Curt.
>> 
>> I have wanted to do the research into putting a 603 into a 4matic for quite 
>> some time, just never got a round-tuit.
>> 
>> It cannot be too hard as they are regularly available, elsewhere.
>> 
>> Same old story, time and money.
>> 
>> 
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Not if what you really wanted was a wagon...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 6:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...
   
Would it not be easier to put the 4matic parts under a 124 300D?

> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
> February 14, 2017 at 4:56 PM
> Curt.
>
> I have wanted to do the research into putting a 603 into a 4matic for 
> quite some time, just never got a round-tuit.
>
> It cannot be too hard as they are regularly available, elsewhere.
>
> Same old story, time and money.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Curley.

Dunno.

The front suspension is different, plus who know what else(?)


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Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Would it not be easier to put the 4matic parts under a 124 300D?

> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
> February 14, 2017 at 4:56 PM
> Curt.
>
> I have wanted to do the research into putting a 603 into a 4matic for
> quite some time, just never got a round-tuit.
>
> It cannot be too hard as they are regularly available, elsewhere.
>
> Same old story, time and money.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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[MBZ] 124matic

https://www.classic-trader.com/us/cars/listing/mercedes-benz/e-class/300-td-turbo-4-matic/1987/49445
[https://cdn.classic-trader.com/I/images/640_480/vehicle_ad_standard_image_550fc3a030c9ecdfe7046946b3d86673.jpg]

For Sale: Mercedes-Benz 300 TD Turbo 4-Matic (1987 
...
www.classic-trader.com
Subject . Request for Mercedes-Benz 300 TD Turbo 4-Matic (1987) | Vehicle-ID: 
49445





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Re: [MBZ] slow start today


Uh, isn't that a distinction with no difference?


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 5:47 PM
This ain't politics, it's corruption! Wait, I meant, hmm... Ok you got us.



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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

This ain't politics, it's corruption!  Wait, I meant, hmm...  Ok you got us.
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On February 14, 2017 6:17:37 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>You are starting to get out of control with the political talk
>


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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

that won't happen with an OM603 unless you can get RTW parts.  Seems 
like it might be easier to import a RTW OM603 4 matic cah.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 5:41 PM
No, the front end is substantially different.

I think the major difference is front drive axles going through the 
engine oil pan.


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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

No, the front end is substantially different.

I think the major difference is front drive axles going through the engine oil 
pan.
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On February 14, 2017 6:39:02 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Would it not be easier to put the 4matic parts under a 124 300D?
>
>> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
>> February 14, 2017 at 4:56 PM
>> Curt.
>>
>> I have wanted to do the research into putting a 603 into a 4matic for
>
>> quite some time, just never got a round-tuit.
>>
>> It cannot be too hard as they are regularly available, elsewhere.
>>
>> Same old story, time and money.
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...


Would it not be easier to put the 4matic parts under a 124 300D?


Fred Moir via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 4:56 PM
Curt.

I have wanted to do the research into putting a 603 into a 4matic for 
quite some time, just never got a round-tuit.


It cannot be too hard as they are regularly available, elsewhere.

Same old story, time and money.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] 400E for Kaleb


too much money


On 2/14/2017 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Grab it before Dave does….

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2776418-fs-1992-400e-w124-low-mileage.html#post15609738
 


-D
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

You are starting to get out of control with the political talk

On 2/14/2017 2:31 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Here's our current political cluster, of which I can only comment on in a
limited manner as my department has been involved with the investigation:

Our county has a commission, the PTC, which manages cabs licenses and other forms of paid
public transportation. It's been well known to be a serious cesspool for reasons too
numerous to go into here. Suffice to say when Uber and Lyft came onto the scene a year
ago, the PTC and its "buddies", the local cab companies, were in a major uproar
over it and did everything they could to keep them out of the County.

The guy who headed the PTC and his right hand thug were former sheriff's
investigators, to give you some context.

While both ridesharing companies attempted to negotiate ways of working in the
County, the PTC threatened them with all sorts of nasty tickets, citations,
etc., etc. to try and discourage them from operating.

So dumb and dumber cook up this idea where they get cabbies to volunteer to be customers
for the ridesharing companies and hire them out. The punch line is that when they take
the "rider" to their destination, someone from the PTC is waiting there with a
citation for $700. Surprise!

The County administrator got wind of this while it was going on due to the
complaints and put the head of the PTC on suspension and ordered an
investigation. This only pissed the doofus off, so it appears that in the
interim he gathered up many of the commission employees' County issued cell
phones and took them to an outside data forensics place to have them wiped. So
much for public records!

So now a citizen has filed suit for public records disclosure and doofus is
pleading the Fifth. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has, as one might
expect, opened an investigation, as destruction of public records is a crime.

The best part? Some of his texts between he and his minion (who has since
resigned as well) have been made public, and they're not at all complimentary
they used to be online but have since been taken down. Here's an op-ed piece on
them:

http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/

It just keeps getting better...

http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/

-D

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On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I once
again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the former
Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings I set up
with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and presented me with
a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was getting a little stale
and I needed to find some more words to use (I think he was referring to my
characterization of him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I will have
to start using two-faced liar). I thanked him, then kindly suggested he could
polish his stand-up routine and we would have him come to another meeting
sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even make a vid of it
so everyone could see it. That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but
failed. The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about this for a whole week,
and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited
about it. What a little d*ck this guy is. He knows we basically killed his
political future so this is how he acts now. I think it is awesome, yet
pathetic.

--FT

On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And
sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim understanding
what you’ve done.

*Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just don’t
give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant translates
from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the essence of negligence.

Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your opponent a
liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.

Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred times. It’s
trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal assertion does not justify
the position set forth in this case.” This word is correctly pronounced as many
as three ways, though the preferred pronunc

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Curt.

I have wanted to do the research into putting a 603 into a 4matic for quite 
some time, just never got a round-tuit.

It cannot be too hard as they are regularly available, elsewhere.

Same old story, time and money.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 14 February 2017 11:47
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond; Fred Moir
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

If they're available outside the US would one be buildable here? Get a 603 and 
stuff it in?
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 400E for Kaleb

2017-02-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Looks nice, too bad it needs an evapectomy (sp?).

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Grab it before Dave does….
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-
> giveaway/2776418-fs-1992-400e-w124-low-mileage.html#post15609738 <
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-
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[MBZ] 400E for Kaleb

Grab it before Dave does….

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2776418-fs-1992-400e-w124-low-mileage.html#post15609738
 


-D
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today -- more transcripts

Oh yeah, you should listen to the recordings my partner made, our boy 
was trash-talking everyone all up and down the state food chain as well 
as his Council colleagues, even his daddy,  It was just too delicious.  
Here's some quotes we transcribed.


So this first guy is the President of the State Senate, controls 
everything, including all the money.  Has more power than the governor.  
Last December at a Transportation Bank meeting the boy had to bow and 
scrape and "apologize" about his "unfortunate remarks."  Ol' Hugh wasn't 
buying it and worked him over pretty good to where he was up there 
sputtering and blathering.  2 days after the article appeared with the 
recordings, this guy AND the governor, unsolicited, call up the 
newspaper reporter to make comments, which she then wrote in another 
lengthy article.  These two have never even returned her calls for 
comment on stuff, then they are calling her.  It was amazing.


Hugh Leatherman:

He’s a tyrant. It’s his state. It’s his money. If you don’t believe me, 
ask him.


The governor’s not the problem. She is fine. As a matter fact, she's on 
record to be against the completion of I-526. She’s fine. But the 
problem is we don’t live a state where the governor really has that much 
stroke. I mean, she can goad them into it, make them look bad, but you 
can’t make Hugh Leatherman look any worse than he already is.


Because Hugh Leatherman and them won’t to do their job.

Leatherman’s the king of the world. You can’t do nothing through him. 
I’ve got another baby coming, I’ve got five kids, I need to concentrate 
on my family for awhile. And oh by the way, I’m probably going to run 
for governor so I can try to do something to his ass.


The hell with him.

He wants the money too! He wants the money too. He is a greedy, greedy 
being.


Leatherman says [mimics], “Mr. Chairman, you come up with your money and 
I’ll come up with mine.”


[Elliott also tells a story about how he saw Leatherman in his bathing 
suit and it made him want to “go puke.” Let me know if you need that.]


Well, you know, if we could get a coalition of senators that could slow 
down Leatherman on some other things and say, listen, I mean, I hate to 
say extort it out of him, but I mean we gotta have some money to place 
some leverage on him. The problem with Hugh has always been, even when 
you get a guy like Grooms who from a philosophical standpoint wouldn’t 
normally be okay with this, with 526 and that kind of thing, you know, 
Hugh will jerk all the money out of Moncks Corner, you know. And a 
little town like Moncks Corner cannot survive without the stuff that 
Larry gets them. I mean, and how do you go back to your folks and go, 
“Hey man, I’ve got a philosophical problem with that guy over there, 
with the problem in Charleston, and that’s why you didn’t get anything.” 
You’d get unelected pretty quick.


Hugh buys them. I mean, if you think about the guys that put Hugh in the 
president pro tempore, its the same guys who put McConnell in. It's the 
democrats. The black caucus.


Another legislator who is a dumb*ss too: Chip Limehouse:

And once we’ve got the legislators out of the Aviation Authority, it's 
running pretty good again. You know. I hate to be that way, but it's 
true. You put a Limehouse in there and, poof, it goes to hell. He’s 
never seen a buffet he didn't like.


 A black Council colleague, so this got the black folks upset:  Anna 
Johnson:


And Anna doesn't understand

I know, Bo. Listen, I get it. Listen, you know, listen, the hour before 
the Chairman's vote in January, she called me and said, "I’m not voting 
for you." I said, "Okay." She said, "I’m going to nominate and vote for 
myself." I said, "Go right ahead." There’s no love affair with me and 
Anna Johnson. We don’t love each other. They tolerate me. They have to. 
Because, no – that would sound terrible


She's ignorant. And I can't deal with that. I just can't. I don't deal 
with that with my own children. It's like, dealing with a 5 year old. 
I'm like wake up. Why are you here? If you can't understand, then don't 
be here. Shut up.


Thomas, the reason why she wins is because the district is drawn as an 
African-American district. Listen, I'd rather have. She couldn't tie C's 
boots, man.


They [African-Americans] gonna pull the master lever, Bo. That's just... 
It's unfortunate.


2 other Council colleagues:

This one took his position as Council Chairman:  Vic Rawl:

I think he eats too much. I don't know what to say. I think that's gonna 
be a problem if you eat too much.… kind of out to never-never land.



This one works for Daddy (it's all very incestuous around here):  Teddie:

And I think that’s a shame, and it’s hypocritical for people like 
Teddie, who, no offense, work for my daddy. It’s not right, that’s not 
right. He’s being a hypocrite, and I’ve told him that.


And Teddie's too far up my daddy's tail to really know what's going on


--FT

On 2/14/17 4:33 PM, Dan Penof

Re: [MBZ] slow start today


To the Republic!


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 1:49 PM
I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at 
which I once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them 
are, the former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies 
in 2 meetings I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the 
CC meeting and presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick 
on our FB page was getting a little stale and I needed to find some 
more words to use (I think he was referring to my characterization of 
him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I will have to start 
using two-faced liar).  I thanked him, then kindly suggested he could 
polish his stand-up routine and we would have him come to another 
meeting sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even 
make a vid of it so everyone could see it.  That took him aback a bit, 
he tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was 
thinking about this for a whole week, and made a special trip to a 
bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited about it.  What a 
little d*ck this guy is.  He knows we basically killed his political 
future so this is how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.


--FT




Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 13, 2017 at 10:33 AM
OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. 
And sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim 
understanding what you’ve done.



   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case 
just don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. 
Insouciant translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance 
encapsulates the essence of negligence.



   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.



   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred 
times. It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal 
assertion does not justify the position set forth in this case.” This 
word is correctly pronounced as many as three ways, though the 
preferred pronunciation rhymes with “canal.”



RB

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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

You should have seen the texts that were recovered, especially the ones between 
he and his minion.  They were littered with profanities and all sorts of 
nastiness towards elected officials that are working on eliminating this 
commission.  A number of them were printed in the local media with the naughty 
stuff redacted.

There’s a state legislator who has been trying to eliminate the PTC for a 
couple of years, and for good reason.  The comment that she could go fornicate 
with herself among other things was a classic that got into the local media.  
The best part was when she was asked about it by the local media.  To give you 
an idea of how classy she was, she said, "It's not surprising at all. The 
agency and its management does continue to disappoint on a seemingly daily 
basis.”

I found some of the texts they published between the commissioner (Cockream) 
and his minion:

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 11:03 
a.m. on November 9 said: “That head Patterson is here. I recommend you go 
out the back.”

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 10:30 
a.m. on October 16 said: “Tell victor to kiss your ass. You work for the board. 
Not him. We only used them on those few occasions and it fell apart with their 
cards. Candidly. Louie’s people were scared.

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 10:34 
a.m. on October 16 said: “And. Don’t resign. Make them fire you. Then you get 
unemployment. And before they fire you. Fire me so I can get it too. Oh with a 
90 day severance package.”

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 10:39 
a.m. on October 16 said: “I hear you. But on my way out I’ve decided to burn 
the house down.

• "There was no quid pro quo. We didn't hide anything. We used 
volunteers to help us. F--- her too," Saunders wrote.

Do be aware that the previous PTC commissioner went to prison for accepting 
bribes, so this is nothing new.  It’s just more entertaining.  Both of these 
idiots have resigned, of course, but that’s not going to get their ‘nads out of 
the grinder of the state and Federal courts.  I suspect both will be wards of 
the state eventually and getting their dance cards punched nightly.

-D

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow.  "With a criminal investigation hanging over him, former Public
> Transportation Commission chief Kyle Cockream repeatedly pleaded the
> Fifth.."
> 
> It speaks for itself.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 

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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

I sent a list of those who advertise in the Star about a week ago.  Palo 
Alto Speedo has advertised in the star for 30-40 years.


I redid the car-part.com search for 2000 to 2006 and there are plenty 
from $100 for 112k miles to $250.  I sent the list to Clay

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 3:11 PM
Nobody overhauls / fixes the clusters? Business opportunity?

-
Max
Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] slow start today OT

Yeah, but he only p*ssed off my partner along about a month before the 
election, she does not think like you and I do, so there's that aspect 
to the whole thing.


On another note the black folks he also p*issed off with his borderline 
racist nonsense are still lying in wait, might get a few of them to show 
up next week to raise some h*ll too.  It is tremendously entertaining.  
He accused me of paying them to come and raise h*ll before, this just 
shows how stupid he is, he doesn't think the black folks can think for 
themselves.  I shared that with them, that got them even more worked 
up.  His time is coming.


here is an entertaining vid if you can see it.  Shakem goes off on the 
mayor's son (the mayor being Daddy and the boy being his dumb*ss spawn 
on County Council we took down) 
https://www.facebook.com/shakem.akhet/videos/1439922146052561/ Daddy 
don't like it!!!  I do love it though.


--FT


On 2/14/17 4:15 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

My only complaint is your timing, about six months prior to the election
last fall would have worked just fine for me, but beggars can't be choosers
eh!

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


It makes me feel great actually.  Couldn't have happened to a more
deserving scalawag.  And I do really like the fact that I am living in his
head rent-free and it gets under his skin bigtime.



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--FT
Winston Churchill:
Â“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.Â”

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Re: [MBZ] slow start today


Hey, it's his constitutional right!

I can't wait until the day we get to sit in a courtroom and hear the 
same thing...


--R


On 2/14/17 4:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Wow.  "With a criminal investigation hanging over him, former Public
Transportation Commission chief Kyle Cockream repeatedly pleaded the
Fifth.."

It speaks for itself.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:



http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-
the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/

It just keeps getting better...

http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-
pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/



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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

Bingo, replace the cluster and dump the car, now you've got more room for
the real MBs

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> BBA Reman rebuilds them for $165.00.
>
> https://us-shop.bba-reman.com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/
> mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/  com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/>
>
> -D
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

Wow.  "With a criminal investigation hanging over him, former Public
Transportation Commission chief Kyle Cockream repeatedly pleaded the
Fifth.."

It speaks for itself.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>
> http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-
> the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/
>
> It just keeps getting better...
>
> http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-
> pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/
>
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

BBA Reman rebuilds them for $165.00.

https://us-shop.bba-reman.com/shop/parts/instrument-cluster/mercedes-instrument-cluster-repair/
 


-D



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>  wrote:
> 
> Nobody overhauls / fixes the clusters?  Business opportunity?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today OT

My only complaint is your timing, about six months prior to the election
last fall would have worked just fine for me, but beggars can't be choosers
eh!

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It makes me feel great actually.  Couldn't have happened to a more
> deserving scalawag.  And I do really like the fact that I am living in his
> head rent-free and it gets under his skin bigtime.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

2017-02-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Does the car still run and drive? If so, drive "by the seat of your pants".
You can judge your speed reasonably well, and use the surrounding traffic -
just match them. I drove my Olds V8 powered MGA for 10 years that way -
never did spend the money to convert/connect the speedo. I did have oil and
fuel gauges though - aftermarket steam gauges would work there.

Just because it's a crappy POS doesn't mean that it won't get you from A to
B.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And as Clay suggests, there was a recall on the instrument clusters.  I
> don’t remember the details, but I do remember seeing references to it in
> the various W220 forums.
>
> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay
> describes.
>
> -D
>
>

-- 
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Nobody overhauls / fixes the clusters?  Business opportunity?

-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] YOU KNOW YOU HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS

2017-02-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

A friend did this in a 1950 Plymouth automatic (IIRC) that he hated back in
high school. It did totally destroy the tranny. He walked home.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/jamming-a-truck-into-reverse-
> at-40-mph-doesnt-do-what-y-1792344030
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
>
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-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

Here's our current political cluster, of which I can only comment on in a 
limited manner as my department has been involved with the investigation:

Our county has a commission, the PTC, which manages cabs licenses and other 
forms of paid public transportation. It's been well known to be a serious 
cesspool for reasons too numerous to go into here.  Suffice to say when Uber 
and Lyft came onto the scene a year ago, the PTC and its "buddies", the local 
cab companies, were in a major uproar over it and did everything they could to 
keep them out of the County.

The guy who headed the PTC and his right hand thug were former sheriff's 
investigators, to give you some context.

While both ridesharing companies attempted to negotiate ways of working in the 
County, the PTC threatened them with all sorts of nasty tickets, citations, 
etc., etc. to try and discourage them from operating. 

So dumb and dumber cook up this idea where they get cabbies to volunteer to be 
customers for the ridesharing companies and hire them out. The punch line is 
that when they take the "rider" to their destination, someone from the PTC is 
waiting there with a citation for $700. Surprise!

The County administrator got wind of this while it was going on due to the 
complaints and put the head of the PTC on suspension and ordered an 
investigation.  This only pissed the doofus off, so it appears that in the 
interim he gathered up many of the commission employees' County issued cell 
phones and took them to an outside data forensics place to have them wiped. So 
much for public records!

So now a citizen has filed suit for public records disclosure and doofus is 
pleading the Fifth. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has, as one might 
expect, opened an investigation, as destruction of public records is a crime.

The best part? Some of his texts between he and his minion (who has since 
resigned as well) have been made public, and they're not at all complimentary 
they used to be online but have since been taken down. Here's an op-ed piece on 
them:

http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/

It just keeps getting better...

http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.
> 
> On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I 
> once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the former 
> Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings I set up 
> with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and presented me 
> with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was getting a little 
> stale and I needed to find some more words to use (I think he was referring 
> to my characterization of him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I 
> will have to start using two-faced liar).  I thanked him, then kindly 
> suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and we would have him come to 
> another meeting sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even 
> make a vid of it so everyone could see it.  That took him aback a bit, he 
> tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about 
> this for a whole week, and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the 
> thing, and was all excited about it.  What a little d*ck this guy is.  He 
> knows we basically killed his political future so this is how he acts now.  I 
> think it is awesome, yet pathetic.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> OT offering
>> 
>> When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And 
>> sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim understanding 
>> what you’ve done.
>> 
>> 
>>   *Insouciant*
>> 
>> When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just 
>> don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant 
>> translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the essence 
>> of negligence.
>> 
>> 
>>   Specious
>> 
>> The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
>> opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.
>> 
>> 
>>   Banal
>> 
>> You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred times. 
>> It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal assertion does not 
>> justify the position set forth in this case.” This word is correctly 
>> pronounced as many as three ways, though the preferred pronunc
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today OT

It makes me feel great actually.  Couldn't have happened to a more 
deserving scalawag.  And I do really like the fact that I am living in 
his head rent-free and it gets under his skin bigtime.


A few months ago I got from a source a copy of a summary judgment court 
order in which he was found guilty of stiffing a contractor on one of 
his dirt pit operations (on land bought as a park with County money he 
voted on, in which he has been fined by the state more than once and 
shutdown for coloring outside the lines, in which he is selling dirt to 
contractors whose contracts he votes on as a CC member, imagine all 
that) and was ordered to pay the contractor, and a fine.  It was like 
$25k or something.  (I also had it on good authority that he was under 
water on that business, taking loads of cash out of it for reasons 
unclear though we had some ideas on that.)  Turns out one of the people 
involved in the work as a sub to the stiffed contractor worked for a 
company he was voting on contracts for too, and the guy had ended up 
leaving and setting up his own contracting business that we learned he 
was a silent partner in.  No conflicts there!


So I posted that to our FB page a little while before a CC meeting at 
which they were going to vote on a matter of interest to us.  So they go 
into exec session in the meeting to "receive advice of counsel" on the  
matter (which means the pizza had arrived so they wanted to get a 
nosh).  And the issue comes up, and one of the other Council members, a 
buddy of sorts, asks him what was going on with his legal issue.  He's 
all like, what are you talking about, I got no legal issues.  So he 
says, yeah Floyd posted your summary judgment a little while ago on the 
FB page, what's up?  He had not even been served with it yet so he had 
no idea but at the point I got it it was a public document, court 
record.  He starts blathering, goes completely pale, the subject he was 
pushing got dropped, so victory for our side.  And the others just 
laughed at him.  He was wicket p*ssed about it, screwed over his schemes 
again, I made sure it made it into the paper a few days later, a lot of 
people who live near the dirt pit operation were up in arms about it.


Merka!  I seriously just love it although sometimes it is just too easy, 
the guy is such a dumb*ss and is constantly opening himself up to this 
stuff.


--FT


On 2/14/17 2:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

And how does this make YOU feel?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly
banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at
which I once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of
them are, the former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing
his lies in 2 meetings I set up with him, chased me down as I was
leaving the CC meeting and presented me with a thesaurus, saying
that my schtick on our FB page was getting a little stale and I
needed to find some more words to use (I think he was referring to
my characterization of him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I
guess I will have to start using two-faced liar).  I thanked him,
then kindly suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and we
would have him come to another meeting sometime soon, it would be
great entertainment, we might even make a vid of it so everyone
could see it.  That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but
failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about this for
a whole week, and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the
thing, and was all excited about it.  What a little d*ck this guy
is. He knows we basically killed his political future so this is
how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.

--FT


On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more
concise. And sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger
without the victim understanding what you’ve done.


   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice
case just don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures
insouciant. Insouciant translates from French as “uncaring.”
Insouciance encapsulates the essence of negligence.


   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never
call your opponent a liar. But you might assert that their
arguments are specious.


   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a
hundred times. It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say,
“Counsel’s banal assertion does not justify the position set
forth in this case.” This word is correctly pronounced as many
as three ways, though the pre

Re: [MBZ] slow start today

And how does this make YOU feel?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.
>
> On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I
> once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the
> former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings
> I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and
> presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was
> getting a little stale and I needed to find some more words to use (I think
> he was referring to my characterization of him as duplicitous and
> mendacious, so I guess I will have to start using two-faced liar).  I
> thanked him, then kindly suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and
> we would have him come to another meeting sometime soon, it would be great
> entertainment, we might even make a vid of it so everyone could see it.
> That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing
> is, I bet he was thinking about this for a whole week, and made a special
> trip to a bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited about it.  What a
> little d*ck this guy is.  He knows we basically killed his political future
> so this is how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OT offering
>>
>> When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And
>> sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim
>> understanding what you’ve done.
>>
>>
>>*Insouciant*
>>
>> When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just
>> don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant
>> translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the essence
>> of negligence.
>>
>>
>>Specious
>>
>> The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your
>> opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.
>>
>>
>>Banal
>>
>> You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred times.
>> It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal assertion does not
>> justify the position set forth in this case.” This word is correctly
>> pronounced as many as three ways, though the preferred pronunciation rhymes
>> with “canal.”
>>
>>
>> RB
>>
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> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today


I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which 
I once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the 
former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 
meetings I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC 
meeting and presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our 
FB page was getting a little stale and I needed to find some more words 
to use (I think he was referring to my characterization of him as 
duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I will have to start using 
two-faced liar).  I thanked him, then kindly suggested he could polish 
his stand-up routine and we would have him come to another meeting 
sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even make a vid 
of it so everyone could see it.  That took him aback a bit, he tried to 
recover but failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about 
this for a whole week, and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the 
thing, and was all excited about it.  What a little d*ck this guy is.  
He knows we basically killed his political future so this is how he acts 
now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.


--FT


On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. 
And sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim 
understanding what you’ve done.



   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case 
just don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. 
Insouciant translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance 
encapsulates the essence of negligence.



   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.



   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred 
times. It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal 
assertion does not justify the position set forth in this case.” This 
word is correctly pronounced as many as three ways, though the 
preferred pronunciation rhymes with “canal.”



RB

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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

Here;s one on eBay for $180:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/00-06-MERCEDES-W220-S430-CL500-INSTRUMENT-CLUSTER-SPEEDOMETER-264k-2205407947-/262255202022
 


-D

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think in those cars, and Jaime would know the details, everything is 
> connected to the CANBUS which is like a network in the car, and all the 
> devices talk to it and receive info from it, so you would need to know the 
> protocols, device addresses on the bus, etc. then how a particular component 
> actually turns the data into something that is displayed.  Anything could be 
> brute-force reverse-engineered but it is not easy or quick.  But yeah once 
> you had that it could probably be done.  I guess there is some published 
> protocol for some of it so those dongles can capture info that then gets sent 
> to an app on your phone to show various performance info, but that does not 
> go to the actual device level.
> 
> Sounds like whoever owns one of these needs a donor out back that might be 
> still mostly functional.  I guess Dan did me a favor on my buddy's car, but 
> now the ML is getting up in miles and might go past the ext warranty limits...
> 
> --FT
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

I think in those cars, and Jaime would know the details, everything is 
connected to the CANBUS which is like a network in the car, and all the 
devices talk to it and receive info from it, so you would need to know 
the protocols, device addresses on the bus, etc. then how a particular 
component actually turns the data into something that is displayed.  
Anything could be brute-force reverse-engineered but it is not easy or 
quick.  But yeah once you had that it could probably be done.  I guess 
there is some published protocol for some of it so those dongles can 
capture info that then gets sent to an app on your phone to show various 
performance info, but that does not go to the actual device level.


Sounds like whoever owns one of these needs a donor out back that might 
be still mostly functional.  I guess Dan did me a favor on my buddy's 
car, but now the ML is getting up in miles and might go past the ext 
warranty limits...


--FT


On 2/14/17 2:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Jaime might chime in here, but the protocol translation would be problematic, I 
suspect.

-D


On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
wrote:

-D wrote:

Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
describes.

--FT plays with arduino, correct?  Why can't somebody in geek land
figure how to tap that system stream and deliver to hack interface?
Yeah, W123 may not have stuff, but it remains reliable for cheap most
times.
tin-man

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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

I did a search on car-part.com for 2002 only.  Any idea what other years 
may be the same?  If other years interchange, I will redo the search.


nothing shows up for 2002.  I submitted a request.  I will let you know 
if I find anything.


Unfortunately it is an electronic toy.  As with any electronic toy, when 
the smoke comes out you are expected to throw it away.  You can be the 
first on your block with a w220 aquarium (after all it is made of bullet 
proof class) or planter.  You can grow termaders out of the windows, a 
tree out of the sunroof, and make flowerbeds in the engine bay and trunk.


clay via Mercedes wrote:

2002 s430



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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

Jaime might chime in here, but the protocol translation would be problematic, I 
suspect.

-D

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
>> describes.
> 
> --FT plays with arduino, correct?  Why can't somebody in geek land
> figure how to tap that system stream and deliver to hack interface?
> Yeah, W123 may not have stuff, but it remains reliable for cheap most
> times.
> tin-man
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Re: [MBZ] Who doesn't want this?


me!


archer75--- via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM
VW electric microbus to be available in Europe this year.

http://www.surfcars.net/2016/06/confirmed-volkswagen-microbus-2017.html




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Re: [MBZ] Who doesn't want this?

Sick.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> VW electric microbus to be available in Europe this year.
>
> http://www.surfcars.net/2016/06/confirmed-volkswagen-microbus-2017.html
> 
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>
> > Land Rover pop up camper.  Outrageous.   Somebody better hide my
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

2017-02-14 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

-D wrote:
> Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
> describes.

--FT plays with arduino, correct?  Why can't somebody in geek land
figure how to tap that system stream and deliver to hack interface?
Yeah, W123 may not have stuff, but it remains reliable for cheap most
times.
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[MBZ] YOU KNOW YOU HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS


https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/jamming-a-truck-into-reverse-at-40-mph-doesnt-do-what-y-1792344030

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Re: [MBZ] Who doesn't want this?

VW electric microbus to be available in Europe this year.

http://www.surfcars.net/2016/06/confirmed-volkswagen-microbus-2017.html

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Road Traffic

I don't know, that doesn't seem to be a big concern in that part of the 
world.


--FT


On 2/14/17 12:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I love the learned expert's quote: "Safety would have to be 
paramount".  You think?


On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Resupply operations in a hot zone make a lot of sense too. Could
carry something out on the return.

Skynet lives!

--FT



On 2/14/17 10:58 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

For military applications, where the occasional dead body is
just the cost
of doing business, drone personnel transports could make some
sense.  For
civilian applications, I won't go near anything where the
pilot doesn't
share the same risks that his passengers do.  Ever.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Road Traffic

I love the learned expert's quote: "Safety would have to be paramount".
You think?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Resupply operations in a hot zone make a lot of sense too. Could carry
> something out on the return.
>
> Skynet lives!
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 2/14/17 10:58 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> For military applications, where the occasional dead body is just the cost
>> of doing business, drone personnel transports could make some sense.  For
>> civilian applications, I won't go near anything where the pilot doesn't
>> share the same risks that his passengers do.  Ever.
>>
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[MBZ] Gray market 1985 300SL

The world has gone stark, raving mad.

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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

Did the same thing with my triple slider doors that open on to our lanai.  A 
couple of the bearings in the door rollers were failing and they made some 
awful noise. Since replacement involves removing the doors to get at the 
rollers, I had to wait until the weather was milder to do it.

Now they glide smoothly without a sound.  Good for another 10-15 years for an 
hour’s work and maybe $30 worth of parts.

Did the same with the pocket door between the bathroom and master bedroom.  The 
payoff was even greater since I am up at 5:00 and now closing the door doesn’t 
make any noise….

It’s the simple fixes that are often the most rewarding.

-D 

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My thoughts exactly.  I recently fixed my sliding closet doors, which had
> been dragging noisily in the track. Now they glide effortlessly.  I'm in
> heaven several times daily.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Gray market 1985 300SL


really

--FT


On 2/14/17 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The world has gone stark, raving mad.

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or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida


It's those little things in life that make us happy

TRIM YOUR POSTS!

--FT


On 2/14/17 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My thoughts exactly.  I recently fixed my sliding closet doors, which had
been dragging noisily in the track. Now they glide effortlessly.  I'm in
heaven several times daily.




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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...


Import one, they are old enough to be exempt from most of the nonsense

--FT


On 2/14/17 11:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

If they're available outside the US would one be buildable here? Get a 603 and 
stuff it in?
-Curt

   From: Fred Moir via Mercedes 
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Cc: Fred Moir 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Jim.


As ever, they are available with 4-matic in yurrup and elsewhere, just not 
here. Thank you MBUSA!!


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Jim Cathey via Mercedes 

Sent: 14 February 2017 10:55
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Jim Cathey; Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

I find the ass of the 124 to be extremely ugly.  I hate the bumper-level
trunk lids and angled lights too.  The _wagon_, on the other hand, looks
great.  If they'd ever made the 124 diesel wagon with AWD that's what I'd
be driving, period.

-- Jim
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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] Who doesn't want this?

Land Rover pop up camper.  Outrageous.   Somebody better hide my checkbook.

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

If they're available outside the US would one be buildable here? Get a 603 and 
stuff it in?
-Curt

  From: Fred Moir via Mercedes 
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Cc: Fred Moir 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Jim.

As ever, they are available with 4-matic in yurrup and elsewhere, just not 
here. Thank you MBUSA!!

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Jim Cathey via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 14 February 2017 10:55
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Jim Cathey; Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

I find the ass of the 124 to be extremely ugly.  I hate the bumper-level
trunk lids and angled lights too.  The _wagon_, on the other hand, looks
great.  If they'd ever made the 124 diesel wagon with AWD that's what I'd
be driving, period.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

My thoughts exactly.  I recently fixed my sliding closet doors, which had
been dragging noisily in the track. Now they glide effortlessly.  I'm in
heaven several times daily.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Having put a new transmission into the wagon at about 185k, I can say that
> delays are not normal, in any gear, even if it runs for years like that.
>
> Its great to see how long things will last. Very parsimonious. But also
> comforting in a 30 year old machine to know your transmission is newish.
>
> The things you use every day should be nice, in proportion to their usage
> and the budget. Having a transmission that functions perfectly is
> satisfying every time I use the car. Sort of like having a nice hazet oil
> plug wrench, I imagine.
>
> On Feb 11, 2017 9:18 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I thought some years ago the solution was supposed to be the K3 spring.
> > Anyone else remember that discussion?  Does it fix other problems?  I
> > thought the k3 spring was supposed to fix the 2-3 flare.  Anyone have the
> > part number for the k3 spring kit?
> >
> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
> >> February 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM
> >> Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.
> >> My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the
> throttle
> >> only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice
> in
> >> the past but only achieved modest improvements.
> >> I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
> >> In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
> >> background info:
> >> http://starwiki.info/722.3
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >>> From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
> >>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:07 AM
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
> >>>
> >>> Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:
> >>>
> >>> http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-
> spring-kit-replacement-
> >>> and
> >>> .html
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> 
> >>>   wrote:
> >>>
>  Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so
> 
> >>> maybe that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
> >>>
>  Gerry
>  ~
>  Dan wrote:
> 
> > Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked"
> >
>  shift, and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and
> >>> slightly
> >>>
> >> delay
> >>
> >>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both.
> >>>
> >> For sure
> >>
> >>> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
> >>>
>  -D
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
> >>
> >   wrote:
> >>>
>  Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse
> >>
> > seems to be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2
> >>> "Spring
> >>> gudes" in order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
> >>>
>  Gerry
> >>
> >> MG wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't
> >>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new
> >>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps.
> >>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
> >>>
> >>> Manfred
> >>>
> >>> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
>  When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well
> 
> >>> as a delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by
> >>> adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission
> >>>
> >> from
> >>
> >>> Sun in California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to
> >>>
> >> slightly
> >>
> >>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to
> >>> 3 gear until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the
> >>>
> >> transmission
> >>
> >>> shifted normally.
> >>>
>  Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it
> 
> >>> the same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt
> >>>
> >> transmission
> >>
> >>> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new
> >>> (B-2?) piston through a plate in the side of the transmission since
> I've
> >>>
> >> been
> >>
> >>> told that would correct the problem.
> >>>
>  It is a 722.315 transmission.
>  YMMV
>  Gerry
>  
>  MG wrote:
> 
> > The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for
> > over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I

Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Jim.

As ever, they are available with 4-matic in yurrup and elsewhere, just not 
here. Thank you MBUSA!!


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Jim Cathey via 
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Sent: 14 February 2017 10:55
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Jim Cathey; Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

I find the ass of the 124 to be extremely ugly.  I hate the bumper-level
trunk lids and angled lights too.  The _wagon_, on the other hand, looks
great.  If they'd ever made the 124 diesel wagon with AWD that's what I'd
be driving, period.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Road Traffic

2017-02-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

For military applications, where the occasional dead body is just the cost
of doing business, drone personnel transports could make some sense.  For
civilian applications, I won't go near anything where the pilot doesn't
share the same risks that his passengers do.  Ever.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Road Traffic

Resupply operations in a hot zone make a lot of sense too. Could carry 
something out on the return.


Skynet lives!

--FT


On 2/14/17 10:58 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

For military applications, where the occasional dead body is just the cost
of doing business, drone personnel transports could make some sense.  For
civilian applications, I won't go near anything where the pilot doesn't
share the same risks that his passengers do.  Ever.

-- Jim
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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] '66 Riviera on BAT

I had a girlfriend (well, friend who was a girl, still friends with her 
now) in HS whose dad had one, I loved that car.


--FT


On 2/13/17 9:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Didn't sell for 11k.
I really liked the 1971-73 Boattail models back in the day (when I was in 
elementary school). I still love the 71-73 rear end, but I'm not so happy with 
the forward leaning grille.

Mitch.

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I find the ass of the 124 to be extremely ugly.  I hate the bumper-level
trunk lids and angled lights too.  The _wagon_, on the other hand, looks
great.  If they'd ever made the 124 diesel wagon with AWD that's what I'd
be driving, period.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

True, I'm not a fan of the rear end.  I really like the 201 tail lights
(square) vs. the sloping inside angle of the 124 tail lights.  If the tail
lights were fixed and the trunk extended just a bit that might help.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 124 has a fat butt. A shape that works in the 201 but is too big and
> stretched in the larger car.
> Apparently there is little love for an aging fat bottomed benz.
> -Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Curt.

Hey! I love my 124 wagon. Also my '85 wagon.

YMMV


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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
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Sent: 14 February 2017 10:08
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

The 124 has a fat butt. A shape that works in the 201 but is too big and 
stretched in the larger car.
Apparently there is little love for an aging fat bottomed benz.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Angie's parents bought me an add on seat heater for my Jetta. It plugs into the 
12v port and works surprisingly well. Heats up faster than the built in heater 
in Angie's Golf but occasionally just randomly stops working. Cycling the 
switch usually brings it back to life.
Due to its high fuel efficiency the Jetta takes a long time to get up to 
operating temp and make cabin heat, the seat heater helps on those cold 
mornings...
-Curt

  From: Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Max Dillon 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...
   
That's a fair analogy.  In that case, lack of ASD is a plus.  Heated seats 
would be nice.

The weak point of the interior is the headliner, but I suspect Martha would 
make short work of gluing a new fabric piece over the press-board (?) 
foundation, if that is needed.

There are some unique parts (catalytic converter comes to mind) that weaken the 
240D analogy.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 14, 2017 9:45:34 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>I like to think of it as an upscale 240D.
>
>-D
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Vacuum Issues

2017-02-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Here are a couple of PDF diagrams that I have
of the vacuum system and what to eliminate for
disabling the egr.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t85i1bbbwix7ifp/AAAJ3sK0iKOWU4XaLhHvbMKFa?dl=0



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[MBZ] Goodbye Road Traffic

The Future of Personal Transportation

 A drone that can carry people will begin "regular operations" in Dubai from 
July, the head of the city's Roads and Transportation Agency has announced at 
the World Government Summit.

The Chinese model eHang 184 has already had test flights, said Matt al-Tayer.

The drone can carry one passenger weighing up to 100 kg (220 pounds) and has a 
30 minute flight time.

The passenger uses a touch screen to select a destination. There are no other 
controls inside the craft.

It is "auto-piloted" by a command centre, according to a video released by the 
government agency.

It has reported speeds of up to 100 miles per hour (160 kilometres per hour) 
and can fly 31 miles (50km) on a single battery charge.

"This is not only a model," Mr al-Tayer, according to a report by the 
Associated Press.

"We have actually experimented with this vehicle flying in Dubai's skies."

The device was also approved for testing in Nevada in June 2016.
'Resilient to failure'

Dr Steve Wright, senior lecturer in avionics and aircraft systems at the 
University of the West of England, told the BBC that safety would have to be 
paramount.

"The way these systems work, making them work normally is easy. The tricky bit 
is making systems that are resilient to failure," he said.

"I would like to see the drone flying for at least 1000 hours before I saw a 
human in it."

Dr Wright added that he would not be volunteering for an early flight.

"I'd have to be taken on board kicking and screaming."

Last month Israeli firm Urban Aeronautics announced that its Cormorant 
passenger drone - designed for military use - could be in use by 2020.

The $14m (£11m) drone can carry 500kg (1,100lb) at 185km/h (115mph).

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38967235

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

That's a fair analogy.  In that case, lack of ASD is a plus.  Heated seats 
would be nice.

The weak point of the interior is the headliner, but I suspect Martha would 
make short work of gluing a new fabric piece over the press-board (?) 
foundation, if that is needed.

There are some unique parts (catalytic converter comes to mind) that weaken the 
240D analogy.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 14, 2017 9:45:34 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>I like to think of it as an upscale 240D.
>
>-D
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

The 124 has a fat butt. A shape that works in the 201 but is too big and 
stretched in the larger car.
Apparently there is little love for an aging fat bottomed benz.
-Curt

  From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
Cc: Rick Knoble 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Dan sez:

>‎I don’t see a lot of activity on W124 >diesels here for some reason. 

The market for 124 cars has been depressed for a long time. I'm not sure why. 
Perhaps it's the jelly bean shape (which, BTW is one of the most aerodynamic 
ever produced). They do look pretty pedestrian, as opposed to the classic lines 
of a 123, or the understated elegance  of a ‎126. They are finely crafted, well 
engineered machines, available at bargain prices, for now. 

Rick  
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

And as Clay suggests, there was a recall on the instrument clusters.  I don’t 
remember the details, but I do remember seeing references to it in the various 
W220 forums.

Since it’s a digital cluster, when it dies you’re flying blind as Clay 
describes.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And not only that but you will also likely need all  manner of expensive gear 
> and service from the stealer to replace it and get it and the rest of the car 
> and systems to play nice with each other and actually talk to each other.  
> Sorta like marriage counseling for a car and it's extended dependents.  You 
> probably gonna have to put the root on it too and hope that keeps the hags 
> away.
> 
> And if even if you do all that it will still be a POS.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

And not only that but you will also likely need all  manner of expensive 
gear and service from the stealer to replace it and get it and the rest 
of the car and systems to play nice with each other and actually talk to 
each other.  Sorta like marriage counseling for a car and it's extended 
dependents.  You probably gonna have to put the root on it too and hope 
that keeps the hags away.


And if even if you do all that it will still be a POS.

--FT


On 2/14/17 2:23 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

This car is really a rolling polished turd.  The cluster just shat itself, so 
now a driver can no longer see what it going on regarding speed or other data 
while driving.  Research shows DBAG knew full well they had screwed up and had 
a 10 recall on this.  I am not sure the work was done, but if it had been, now 
the replacement is dead.  Stealership says it is a $2500 part.

I hate this car


clay

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

It also bolsters my contention that the W220 is a veritable snake pit of 
functions only manageable if you have a DAS/Xentry system, and even if you do 
you’re still pretty much relegated to being a parts changer of very expensive 
parts.

I’ve had cars I had little confidence in but my W220, despite being very nice 
and everything working just fine, was at the top of my list.  I hated driving 
it.

-D

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay's report, though negative, has value because it educates us as a group.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

I see this as an excellent car for the youngest as he exits the house and 
starts out on his own.  It’s fairly simple and economical.  I really don’t want 
to gift him the S420, as it costs an arm and a leg to operate and repair.  I 
know he loves the S420 due to the luxury and amenities, but there’s a price to 
be paid for those that a fresh out of college person doesn’t really need to 
deal with.

I like to think of it as an upscale 240D.

-D

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan sez:
> 
>> ‎I don’t see a lot of activity on W124 >diesels here for some reason. 
> 
> The market for 124 cars has been depressed for a long time. I'm not sure why. 
> Perhaps it's the jelly bean shape (which, BTW is one of the most aerodynamic 
> ever produced). They do look pretty pedestrian, as opposed to the classic 
> lines of a 123, or the understated elegance  of a ‎126. They are finely 
> crafted, well engineered machines, available at bargain prices, for now. 
> 
> Rick  
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

2017-02-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Dan sez:

>‎I don’t see a lot of activity on W124 >diesels here for some reason. 

The market for 124 cars has been depressed for a long time. I'm not sure why. 
Perhaps it's the jelly bean shape (which, BTW is one of the most aerodynamic 
ever produced). They do look pretty pedestrian, as opposed to the classic lines 
of a 123, or the understated elegance  of a ‎126. They are finely crafted, well 
engineered machines, available at bargain prices, for now. 

Rick  
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Re: [MBZ] POS W220

Clay's report, though negative, has value because it educates us as a group.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I do not revel in your loss, however, it does give me all the more
> validation for getting rid of my W220.
>
> Sorry.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:23 AM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > This car is really a rolling polished turd.  The cluster just shat
> itself, so now a driver can no longer see what it going on regarding speed
> or other data while driving.  Research shows DBAG knew full well they had
> screwed up and had a 10 recall on this.  I am not sure the work was done,
> but if it had been, now the replacement is dead.  Stealership says it is a
> $2500 part.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Seats for Kaleb

Are they leather or Tex?

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> On Feb 14, 2017, at 3:12 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I cleaned up the TE seats in preparation for figuring out how to mount and 
> install the dark green MBtex into the SDL.  Then I got the free SD and all 
> the spare parts (including seats) and now find them to be surplus.  I can see 
> that the w124 seats are a bit delicate compared to the W126 perches.  It is 
> too bad Okie Acres is so far away because I know Kaleb just loves him some 
> green cars, and these seats would look great in one or the other of his cars. 
>  The TE must have been owned by a very small and thin gal, as there is near 
> no wear to the seat and springs are like new.  For now, I toss them onto the 
> CL.
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
> retired models-
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida

2017-02-14 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Having put a new transmission into the wagon at about 185k, I can say that
delays are not normal, in any gear, even if it runs for years like that.

Its great to see how long things will last. Very parsimonious. But also
comforting in a 30 year old machine to know your transmission is newish.

The things you use every day should be nice, in proportion to their usage
and the budget. Having a transmission that functions perfectly is
satisfying every time I use the car. Sort of like having a nice hazet oil
plug wrench, I imagine.

On Feb 11, 2017 9:18 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I thought some years ago the solution was supposed to be the K3 spring.
> Anyone else remember that discussion?  Does it fix other problems?  I
> thought the k3 spring was supposed to fix the 2-3 flare.  Anyone have the
> part number for the k3 spring kit?
>
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>> February 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM
>> Many thanks to Dan for this k1 link.
>> My 82 SD (722.303) has always upshifter poorly and easing off the throttle
>> only made it worse.  I've played with the cable, modulator, and orifice in
>> the past but only achieved modest improvements.
>> I think I'll do these k1/2 springs if I ever change fluid again.
>> In googling around, I found this link which seemed to have interesting
>> background info:
>> http://starwiki.info/722.3
>> Scott
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:07 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist NC Florida
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the job, complete with pictures:
>>>
>>> http://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2008/02/k-1-spring-kit-replacement-
>>> and
>>> .html
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes

>>>   wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. I have a technical book on these transmissions in the shop, so

>>> maybe that will help locate these guides after I pull the pan.
>>>
 Gerry
 ~
 Dan wrote:

> Actually, the accumulator spring in K1 will fix your 2-3 "stacked"
>
 shift, and replacing the accumulator spring in K2 will soften and
>>> slightly
>>>
>> delay
>>
>>> your 3-4 shift.  You can do one or both, it's not mandatory to do both.
>>>
>> For sure
>>
>>> do K1, as it will make a noticeable difference in the 2-3 upshift.
>>>
 -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 10, 2017, at 9:12 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes
>>
>   wrote:
>>>
 Dan answered both of our questions, Manfred. The delay in reverse
>>
> seems to be normal for these transmissions, but mine will need 2
>>> "Spring
>>> gudes" in order to correct the 2-3 delay according to Dan.
>>>
 Gerry
>>
>> MG wrote:
>>
>>> Mine doesn't hesitate between 2-3 so probably the B2 piton won't
>>> need any fix. I was just poking at Andrew about needing a new
>>> transmission. I'll try to do an adjustment and see if it helps.
>>> Can you send me instructions on how to do that?
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 When I bought my '83 300D in 2000 it had the reverse delay as well

>>> as a delay between 2 and 3; neither of which could be corrected by
>>> adjustment. Periodically I would decide to order a rebuilt transmission
>>>
>> from
>>
>>> Sun in California but never got around to it. Gradually I got used to
>>>
>> slightly
>>
>>> backing off the throttle when the transmission changed from 2 to
>>> 3 gear until I did it without thinking about it. By doing that the
>>>
>> transmission
>>
>>> shifted normally.
>>>
 Now, about 17 years and 130,000 miles later, I'm still driving it

>>> the same way and will never get around to installing a rebuilt
>>>
>> transmission
>>
>>> although I might spend a little over $100 and install a new
>>> (B-2?) piston through a plate in the side of the transmission since I've
>>>
>> been
>>
>>> told that would correct the problem.
>>>
 It is a 722.315 transmission.
 YMMV
 Gerry
 
 MG wrote:

> The transmission in my TD has had a delay going into reverse for
> over 5 years now more then 20k miles. I guess I'll have to get a
> rebuilt tranny right quick now.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> How much of a delay when going into reverse?  That could be a
>>
> forewarning.
>>>
 My 1983 300TD exhibited that behavior a few weeks before
>>
> permanently losing
>>>
 reverse + all forward gears in the Home Depot parking lot. You
>>
> might want
>>>
 to start shopping for a good used transmission to lug around in
>>
> the trunk.
>>>
 On Thu, Feb 9

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Vacuum Issues

2017-02-14 Thread Kyle Arola via Mercedes

Sure do!!

I can send a picture to you if the vac line you can cap off if that would
help.

Have they done the soot can delete as well or just the egr?

There are also a couple of PDFs online that I used. Let me know if you
would like those also.

Kyle

On Feb 14, 2017 7:02 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Got a buddy in Alabama who has a 1985 300TD California model that has a
> partial EGR-ectomy that the PO must have undertaken.  He’s trying to sort
> some of it out but I know nothing about these things.  Anyone here know
> anything about these?
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dang! A Bucket List Car...

Don’t have time to get over there until Thursday.  It’s a good hour away.  If 
it’s still there by Thursday it’s either got issues or they’re asking too much 
for the market.  I don’t see a lot of activity on W124 diesels here for some 
reason.  They seem to linger.  This one even more so since it’s a non-turbo, 
I’m guessing.

-D

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why wait?  That may be a really good deal, or a project car.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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[MBZ] 1985 300TD Vacuum Issues

Got a buddy in Alabama who has a 1985 300TD California model that has a partial 
EGR-ectomy that the PO must have undertaken.  He’s trying to sort some of it 
out but I know nothing about these things.  Anyone here know anything about 
these?

-D


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Re: [MBZ] POS W220