Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

I have one oil change volume of M1 20-50 left for use in the R107.  Then I will 
be selling her.  The diesels have been running store brand 15-50 the past few 
years.  Might need to toss the six or seven spare gallons of that onto CL while 
I wait for a time to rid myself of the SDL


clay 



> On Aug 5, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 5w30 is about 12cSt at 100C. 
> 15W50 is 18 cSt.
> 5W40 is 14.5 cSt.
> The only difference I'd expect to see is that the 15W50 will peg the oil 
> gauge at idle in slightly worn engines. 
> One thing to consider is the loss of certain valve and rocker protecting 
> additives with oils formulated for modern engines. The 15W50 has more 
> phosphorus and zinc in it than any of the other non racing / non motorcycle 
> formulas of M1.
> https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1


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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

I seem to recall the DC-10 had issues.  Did Boeing not end up taking over that 
consortium, and now are the only aircraft maker here?  At least the Boeing jets 
are not cartwheeling down runways

clay monroe

> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.



> On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The issues with the 787 appear to be sloppy manufacture, not design defects.  
> I think it's fair to assume that if the assembly crew is leaving tools and 
> trash on the planes the actual assembly is probably suspect as well. 
> Something about attention to detail, I think.
> 
> Boeing may yet regret moving their assembly plants to areas of historically 
> low wages and no recent aerospace construction, it's not quite like tossing 
> sloppy out of square cinder block foundations together.
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Kaleb  wrote:
> >
> > Sinopec T700 15w40

> OK wrote:

> Sheesh - Marshal is turning over in his grave ...

Heh.  That probably started when Mobil abandoned GroupIV base stock!

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[MBZ] Yet another oil thread - Mobil 1™ Formula M

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Anybody seen this in stores?
Mobil says I can buy it at O'Reilly in my hometown, but not NAPA, Wal-Mart, etc.

For vehicles requiring a 5W-40 viscosity and specific Mercedes-Benz approvals

Mobil 1™ Formula M 5W-40 is an advanced performance synthetic engine oil 
engineered to help prolong the life of both diesel- and gasoline-powered 
automobiles that require an oil that is approved against the Mercedes Benz 
MB-229.3 and 229.5 specifications. 

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-formula-m

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Mitch.  You are right about viscosity now vs. 40. years,ago.
Actually probably either 5w40 or 15w50 would work for how little i  drive
this car.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 9:17 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Last I knew Turbo Diesel Truck was available at Wal-Mart and Meijer for
> substantially less than at Autozone/Advance Auto, unless you partake of the
> oil change specials at the parts store and they have a filter you want.
> (the only Mobil filter for MBZ that I can use is the one that fits M112
> engines)
> TDT comes in 4qt jugs that cost almost as much as the 5qt jugs of 0W-40.
> You need to buy 5 qts to get the rebate.
>
> 15W50 comes in 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart, they have it in my small town store.
> I assume 15W Mobil One is OK for OM-616/617 in winter, it's got to flow
> better than the 10W40 that was available to us 40 years ago.
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-Advanced-Full-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-15W-50-5-qt/20713647
>
> > On August 5, 2019 at 8:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> >
> >
> > Ok thanks. I will look for 5w40 @ autuzone & not walmart.
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

5w30 is about 12cSt at 100C. 
15W50 is 18 cSt.
5W40 is 14.5 cSt.
The only difference I'd expect to see is that the 15W50 will peg the oil gauge 
at idle in slightly worn engines. 
One thing to consider is the loss of certain valve and rocker protecting 
additives with oils formulated for modern engines. The 15W50 has more 
phosphorus and zinc in it than any of the other non racing / non motorcycle 
formulas of M1.
https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1

> On August 5, 2019 at 9:08 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
> commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
> do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > > Dwight wrote:
> >
> > > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> > > 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> > > When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> > > is NLA.
> >
> > I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
> > number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
> > house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
> > decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
> > often than if it was "real" synthetic.
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Last I knew Turbo Diesel Truck was available at Wal-Mart and Meijer for 
substantially less than at Autozone/Advance Auto, unless you partake of the oil 
change specials at the parts store and they have a filter you want. (the only 
Mobil filter for MBZ that I can use is the one that fits M112 engines)
TDT comes in 4qt jugs that cost almost as much as the 5qt jugs of 0W-40. You 
need to buy 5 qts to get the rebate.

15W50 comes in 5qt jugs at Wal-Mart, they have it in my small town store.
I assume 15W Mobil One is OK for OM-616/617 in winter, it's got to flow better 
than the 10W40 that was available to us 40 years ago. 
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-Advanced-Full-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-15W-50-5-qt/20713647

> On August 5, 2019 at 8:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok thanks. I will look for 5w40 @ autuzone & not walmart.

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Dwight wrote:
>
> > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> > 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> > When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> > is NLA.
>
> I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
> number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
> house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
> decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
> often than if it was "real" synthetic.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 As somebody else mentioned 15w50 would be just fine too. I think I finally 
used up the last jug of that I had bought for a 240D. I put it in my lawnmower 
which doesn't use/leak any between annual changes. From now on it'll get the 
same Lubromoly 5w40 that Angie's Golf gets.
-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 8:39:45 PM EDT, Dwight Giles 
 wrote:  
 
 Ok thanks. I will look for 5w40 @ autuzone & not walmart. I am too much of an 
M1 believer to switch back to dino. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:07 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

 As much of an M1 fanboy as I am a 617 not driven in the winter and with 
limited miles will do just fine on dino 15w40 changed annually or even every 
other year.
M1 5w40 is still available, badged "Turbo Diesel Truck" you'll find it in the 
diesel oil section of FLAPS like Autozone. Look for the big buckets of Rotella, 
it'll be by them.
-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 6:46:03 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617 300CD? I
don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season. When i was driving
it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that is NLA.
Thanks.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:36 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I agree with Roger- let's get back to Benzes i have a question that
> > could trigger an oil thread.
>
> Go ahead!
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I use the same Traveler 15w40 in my 1952 Farmall Super M although I buy it in 
2.5 gallon jugs. A year or two ago I had the valve cover off to replace the 
gasket, the rockers were all perfectly clean. I attribute that to my use of 
high detergent oil. When I first started using it I changed the oil way more 
often than was probably required to be sure all the sludge from years of 
non-detergent oil got pulled out.
Now I change it every other year. If that machine gets 30 hours a year I'd be 
surprised...
-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 7:18:21 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Dwight wrote:

> Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> is NLA. 

I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
often than if it was "real" synthetic.

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok thanks. I will look for 5w40 @ autuzone & not walmart. I am too much of
an M1 believer to switch back to dino.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:07 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> As much of an M1 fanboy as I am a 617 not driven in the winter and with
> limited miles will do just fine on dino 15w40 changed annually or even
> every other year.
>
> M1 5w40 is still available, badged "Turbo Diesel Truck" you'll find it in
> the diesel oil section of FLAPS like Autozone. Look for the big buckets of
> Rotella, it'll be by them.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2019, 6:46:03 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617 300CD? I
> don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season. When i was driving
> it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that is NLA.
> Thanks.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4matic
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:36 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Roger- let's get back to Benzes i have a question that
> > > could trigger an oil thread.
> >
> > Go ahead!
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] FB group OM636 engine FS

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Sheesh - Marshal is turning over in his grave ...

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 6:21 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sinopec T700 15w40
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617 300CD? I
> > don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season. When i was
> driving
> > it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that is NLA.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 2005 E320 4matic
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:36 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with Roger- let's get back to Benzes i have a question that
> >>> could trigger an oil thread.
> >>
> >> Go ahead!
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I wonder if my original IBM luggable will still work? The one that looked
like a portable sewing machine with the 5" amber CRT screen built in. I do
have a spare monitor. OK - it's not original, I replaced one of the 5¼"
floppies with a 20MB Seagate ST-225 (why do I remember that?). I had to
purchase a new BIOS chip to recognize a hard drive. I used it for about
three years with a full length AVL Genesis daughter board that ran CP/M to
program multi project slide shows. That was a lot of fun and paid well
while it lasted.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:41 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
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> I retain the original Mac Plus carry case, the Powerbook Duo case, the Mac
> II case, as well as the Mac Portable.  The current macbook lives in the duo
> bag
>
>
> clay monroe
>
> > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what
> I'm looking for didn't fall out.
>
>
>
> > On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My Zenith MiniSport HD wouldn't power up a few years ago.
> > Similar situation, I wanted the padded computer backpack it was in.
> > Was only 20 years old at the time.
> > Still can't make myself throw it away.
> >
> >> On August 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >>
> >> Yesterday I went digging in the garage for an old computer carrying
> case I had put away. Found it pretty quickly. Opened it up and found a
> Toshiba T2000 portable “laptop” or some such thing with all the bits and a
> spare battery (NiMH?). Has a little LCD screen about 6x9, blue as I recall.
> Tried to fire it up after plugging it in, no joy initially. I’ll have to
> try it again. Thing must be 25yo.
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve moved from the semi-synthetics on diesels to Delo 400 LE 15W40, which I 
can get at Wally World for about $26 for a 2-1/2 gallon jug.

-D


> On Aug 5, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617 300CD? I
> don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season. When i was driving
> it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that is NLA.
> Thanks.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4matic
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:36 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Roger- let's get back to Benzes i have a question that
>>> could trigger an oil thread.
>> 
>> Go ahead!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Sinopec T700 15w40

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617 300CD? I
> don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season. When i was driving
> it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that is NLA.
> Thanks.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4matic
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:36 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Roger- let's get back to Benzes i have a question that
>>> could trigger an oil thread.
>> 
>> Go ahead!
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dwight wrote:

> Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> is NLA. 

I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
often than if it was "real" synthetic.

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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I settled on a Capresso, although I don't do coarse grinds.  Should work well, 
mine has been flawless for fine grinds.
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I have an ancient cheapo that I rarely use.  I don't have any robusta at the 
moment, pretty much all Guatemala and a few samples of Kenyan.

Dark roast and made with a proper espresso machine give you very nice coffee, 
anything else and that robusta flavor is all you can taste.

If you like it, not a problem, but I do not.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The issues with the 787 appear to be sloppy manufacture, not design defects.  I 
think it's fair to assume that if the assembly crew is leaving tools and trash 
on the planes the actual assembly is probably suspect as well. Something about 
attention to detail, I think.

Boeing may yet regret moving their assembly plants to areas of historically low 
wages and no recent aerospace construction, it's not quite like tossing sloppy 
out of square cinder block foundations together.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Sorting alogrithms and very large lookup tables do not equal intelligence.  Ask 
people about the "reliability" of facial recognition software, widely touted as 
"AI".

Mediocre at best, and nearly useless for non-caucasions.

Fast processors and giant look-up tables do not equal intelligence, and never 
will.  All the "intelligence" in there is provided by the computer programmer.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 As much of an M1 fanboy as I am a 617 not driven in the winter and with 
limited miles will do just fine on dino 15w40 changed annually or even every 
other year.
M1 5w40 is still available, badged "Turbo Diesel Truck" you'll find it in the 
diesel oil section of FLAPS like Autozone. Look for the big buckets of Rotella, 
it'll be by them.
-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 6:46:03 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617 300CD? I
don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season. When i was driving
it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that is NLA.
Thanks.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:36 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I agree with Roger- let's get back to Benzes i have a question that
> > could trigger an oil thread.
>
> Go ahead!
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617 300CD? I
don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season. When i was driving
it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that is NLA.
Thanks.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 10:10 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:36 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I agree with Roger- let's get back to Benzes i have a question that
> > could trigger an oil thread.
>
> Go ahead!
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Your welcome, I still think about that every time I go to Italy.

My weakness is Kimbo coffee, for making Italian café in a moka pot, which is a 
poor man's espresso.  I bring back a few packages, each package lasts about a 
week.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 5, 2019 5:38:31 PM EDT, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Andrew wrote:
>> On a related (serious) topic, can someone recommend an effective and
>> affordable BURR coffee grinder that creates a COARSE grind for my
>French
>> press?
>
>It used to be that vintage manual grinders showed up online.  Not many
>old names online anymore.  Here are a few:
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/233304859189
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/183908175139
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/392368316618
>Electric from Italy - probably not for French Press Coarse:
>https://www.ebay.it/itm/303238372187
>https://www.ebay.it/itm/264404685612
>Max helped me years ago obtain one of the Italy QuickMill grinders
>since he was traveling there - thanks Max.  Yes, a transformer needed
>to be found - a nice Swiss transformer.  If an item says Chine/China -
>it does not exist.
>tin
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

I retain the original Mac Plus carry case, the Powerbook Duo case, the Mac II 
case, as well as the Mac Portable.  The current macbook lives in the duo bag


clay monroe

> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.



> On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My Zenith MiniSport HD wouldn't power up a few years ago.
> Similar situation, I wanted the padded computer backpack it was in. 
> Was only 20 years old at the time.
> Still can't make myself throw it away.
> 
>> On August 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yesterday I went digging in the garage for an old computer carrying case I 
>> had put away. Found it pretty quickly. Opened it up and found a Toshiba 
>> T2000 portable “laptop” or some such thing with all the bits and a spare 
>> battery (NiMH?). Has a little LCD screen about 6x9, blue as I recall. Tried 
>> to fire it up after plugging it in, no joy initially. I’ll have to try it 
>> again. Thing must be 25yo.
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> On a related (serious) topic, can someone recommend an effective and
> affordable BURR coffee grinder that creates a COARSE grind for my French
> press?

It used to be that vintage manual grinders showed up online.  Not many
old names online anymore.  Here are a few:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233304859189
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183908175139
https://www.ebay.com/itm/392368316618
Electric from Italy - probably not for French Press Coarse:
https://www.ebay.it/itm/303238372187
https://www.ebay.it/itm/264404685612
Max helped me years ago obtain one of the Italy QuickMill grinders
since he was traveling there - thanks Max.  Yes, a transformer needed
to be found - a nice Swiss transformer.  If an item says Chine/China -
it does not exist.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I have one of these: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013R3Q7B2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Which makes a good grind and is very affordable. A little slow but I can get 
the coffee ground before the water is hot which is all that matters.
Angie doesn't drink coffee, I do just one 16oz french press a day...

-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 3:11:02 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On a related (serious) topic, can someone recommend an effective and
affordable BURR coffee grinder that creates a COARSE grind for my French
press?

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:07 PM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Absolutely. And the youngest son makes his own formula of “crappacino” as
> well.
>
> Finally got around to putting a three pronged plug on it a few months ago.
> Decided that I needed to upgrade it from the 1960s.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 5, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Another question.
> > What espresso machine do you use?
> > Dan & me used to use the same machine - QuickMill.  Dan - do you still
> > make your signature "crappacino" using QuickMill?  What do you use
> > Peter?  What other espresso machines are approved by mercedeslist?
> > i.e. what machine do you use.  The other espresso machine also used
> > here is LaPavoni Europiccola copper/brass lever .
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Re: [MBZ] OT Rich and ignernt

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Craig sez:

Craig via Mercedes wrote on 8/5/19 1:16 PM:

Now, if they really wanted to alert the people in front of them, their
pipes' outlets would face forward so the majority of the sound would be
heard by those in front of them.


Great Idea for those guys missing certain body parts, and the related 
hormones who think their 'Merkun motorsickle has to have loud pipes.
Pipes forward, Inhale exhaust.  I hope it is rich!  The richer the 
carbs, the better!



One way to thin the herd~!

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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Only $10.99/12 oz. at Le Marche des Murs.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Jamaican-Blue-Mountain-Regular-Non-Flavored-Ground-Coffee-12-Ounce-Bag/357021708?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=10264&adid=222135160054&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=o&wl2=c&wl3=74973020457998&wl4=pla-4578572590199826:aud-807615483&wl5=&wl6=&wl7=&%20wl10=Walmart&wl12=357021708_1010396&wl14=purchase%20blue%20mountain%20coffee&veh=sem&msclkid=dfd449d363461a4c75ab149bea23b971

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:50 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In the mid 80s Blue Mountain was $25 a lb, wholesale from United
> Coffee.   United was the best wholesale coffee company in the country at
> the time.  Roughly 5x the price of great coffees.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 8/5/19 10:20 AM:
> > Whatever happened to Jamaica Blue Mountain Coffee? Did they price
> > themselves out of the Market Austin mark
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

tell im its a great idee, and he don need no CO detector.  Dissels don't 
make CO.


Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 8/5/19 10:21 AM:

Can't help myself.
Sorry.


Rick




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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In the mid 80s Blue Mountain was $25 a lb, wholesale from United 
Coffee.   United was the best wholesale coffee company in the country at 
the time.  Roughly 5x the price of great coffees.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 8/5/19 10:20 AM:

Whatever happened to Jamaica Blue Mountain Coffee? Did they price
themselves out of the Market Austin mark





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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It's manual. This one (though I bought mine locally).

https://www.amazon.com/Bialetti-Manual-Adjustable-Grinder-Ceramic/dp/B00018CXRO

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel  writes:

> Is the Bialetti manual or electric?
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:21 PM Allan Streib 
> wrote:
>
> I have a Bialetti grinder that I like pretty well. It has an
> adjustable grind.
>
> I also have a JavaPresse grinder that was OK but slow. I use it as
> a pepper grinder now.
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > On a related (serious) topic, can someone recommend an effective
> > and affordable BURR coffee grinder that creates a COARSE grind
> > for my French press?
>

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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When we sold coffee, Jamaica Blue Mountain was the most rare/expensive 
(best?).  I never bought any because I didn't think our clientele would 
pay for enough of it to move the 5 lb min I had to buy.


 I did some stuff for a Jamaican guy who sells toppings to Pizza Junk 
in FL and the SE for Jamaican Jerk pizza.   He sent me a bag of Blue 
Mountain and a bottle of rum.


YoHoHo!

I gave the coffee to #1 daughter.

Still have summa da rum!   Yo Ho Ho!

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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is the Bialetti manual or electric?

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:21 PM Allan Streib  wrote:

> I have a Bialetti grinder that I like pretty well. It has an adjustable
> grind.
>
> I also have a JavaPresse grinder that was OK but slow. I use it as a
> pepper grinder now.
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > On a related (serious) topic, can someone recommend an effective and
> > affordable BURR coffee grinder that creates a COARSE grind for my French
> > press?
>
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[MBZ] FB group OM636 engine FS

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

 ‎Frodrick Fronkenstein
 
‎/_to_/Diesel
 Mercedes Owners
 

5 hrs 
· 


OM636 engine parts engine. LOCATION IS USA NH.
$600
Auburn, New Hampshire

For sale is one complete   with another complete parts engine. It 
cranks, will make white smoke. I am including a ponton transmission with 
the package. LOCATION IS USA NH.


No photo description available.


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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I have a Bialetti grinder that I like pretty well. It has an adjustable
grind.

I also have a JavaPresse grinder that was OK but slow. I use it as a
pepper grinder now.

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> On a related (serious) topic, can someone recommend an effective and
> affordable BURR coffee grinder that creates a COARSE grind for my French
> press?

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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

On a related (serious) topic, can someone recommend an effective and
affordable BURR coffee grinder that creates a COARSE grind for my French
press?

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:07 PM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Absolutely. And the youngest son makes his own formula of “crappacino” as
> well.
>
> Finally got around to putting a three pronged plug on it a few months ago.
> Decided that I needed to upgrade it from the 1960s.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 5, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Another question.
> > What espresso machine do you use?
> > Dan & me used to use the same machine - QuickMill.  Dan - do you still
> > make your signature "crappacino" using QuickMill?  What do you use
> > Peter?  What other espresso machines are approved by mercedeslist?
> > i.e. what machine do you use.  The other espresso machine also used
> > here is LaPavoni Europiccola copper/brass lever .
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Absolutely. And the youngest son makes his own formula of “crappacino” as well.

Finally got around to putting a three pronged plug on it a few months ago. 
Decided that I needed to upgrade it from the 1960s.

-D

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Another question.
> What espresso machine do you use?
> Dan & me used to use the same machine - QuickMill.  Dan - do you still
> make your signature "crappacino" using QuickMill?  What do you use
> Peter?  What other espresso machines are approved by mercedeslist?
> i.e. what machine do you use.  The other espresso machine also used
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I use a Bosch, hand made in Italy by émigré Hungarians who are espresso
virgins.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:58 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Another question.
> What espresso machine do you use?
> Dan & me used to use the same machine - QuickMill.  Dan - do you still
> make your signature "crappacino" using QuickMill?  What do you use
> Peter?  What other espresso machines are approved by mercedeslist?
> i.e. what machine do you use.  The other espresso machine also used
> here is LaPavoni Europiccola copper/brass lever .
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Another question.
What espresso machine do you use?
Dan & me used to use the same machine - QuickMill.  Dan - do you still
make your signature "crappacino" using QuickMill?  What do you use
Peter?  What other espresso machines are approved by mercedeslist?
i.e. what machine do you use.  The other espresso machine also used
here is LaPavoni Europiccola copper/brass lever .
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Avoid Trader Joe's espresso brand AT ALL COSTS.  Tastes like concentrated
> low grade battery acid, only more corrosive.

Do you use espresso machine?  If not, perhaps the Trader Joe's
espresso is like Peter mentioned - wrong, i.e. you gotta do espresso?
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> Lavazaa for espresso. Wonderful crema. Yum.

Isn't crema associated with robusta?
Recently purchasec kilo of Lavazaa (supermarketitaly) was priced at 10
for kilo.  As far as can be determined, it is robusta.  It seems
robusta is not as abhorred as previously seen - thanks guys!  Now the
100% robusta cortado enjoyed here will carry mercedeslist approval
rating.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Grant wrote:
> People died, planes crashed, problems were identified, early on

Pilots in USA did not crash.  Is that racist?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"Jeff" has a place down the road in the luxury gated resort lifestyle 
community.  Purchase of the house was an interesting story.  A friend 
worked for him at GE, was a big shot, and he and "Jeff" golf together a 
lot over at the gated luxury lifestyle resort community.  My sense is 
that "Jeff" is "special" (or at least thinks he is).


--FT

On 8/5/19 7:51 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

The current President of Boeing is from GE, worked for Jack Welch and Jeff 
Immelt.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Those original Portables were great. Huge (10cm thick) and heavy (nearly 16 
> pounds!), but it really did have enough battery life to last the entire 
> flight from Toronto to Munich!

Design goal was an 8-hour workday.  They made it, easily.
The screen worked well in full sun, too.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

 No they are on 123 fakebook 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> “Cars and weed.”
> 
> (Beavis & Butthead laugh)
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Back in the mid-70s, my buddy and I got our pilots license is in my dad’s 
>> Cherokee Warrior. As the 70s came to a close, he kept flying and I thought 
>> it was more fun to spend my money on cars and weed. 
>> Now he flies the long halls in the 787. Dallas to Tokyo, Dallas to Sydney, 
>> Dallas to Hong Kong, Dallas to Dubai. We talked about this the other day and 
>> he says that he has thousands and thousands of hours in the the 787 And 
>> there has never been even a hint of an issue. But he did agree that he 
>> “flys” more than the younger pilots do.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That seems to be a situation where "I don't recall" would be perfectly 
>>> valid answers.
>>> 
>>> -_FT
>>> 
 On 8/5/19 11:43 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 Some years ago, I was subpoenaed to testify in a court case post crash,
 because I had signed a log book entry for a repair that was done to the
 airplane 20 years before the crash. Won't say my time on the stand was
 pleasant, or that questions were probing but I haven't needed a colonoscopy
 since then..
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Avoid Trader Joe's espresso brand AT ALL COSTS.  Tastes like concentrated
low grade battery acid, only more corrosive.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Lavazaa for espresso. Wonderful crema. Yum.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 5, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't mind Folgers if its made in a percolator, any other method its
> gross...
> > -Curt
> >
> >On Monday, August 5, 2019, 12:16:49 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > I actually like Folgers instant. I know, I know!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 4, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That said, if you like the bottom of the line Folgers, etc, you like
> Robusta and can drink all you want.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Rich and ignernt

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 14:34:20 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> The reference to doppler is really just that the sound of the pipes
> when it arrives at the car will be different than it would be for a car
> behind the bike.

The Doppler effect is the change of pitch (frequency) perceived when the
source of the sound and the receiver (hearer) are moving relative to each
other. If they are moving in unison down the road (at the same speed) the
pitch will be unaltered and will be the same whether the hearer is in
front of or behind the motorcycle.

Now, if they really wanted to alert the people in front of them, their
pipes' outlets would face forward so the majority of the sound would be
heard by those in front of them.


> In California where lane splitting is legal and common I've had
> motorcycles scare the crap out of me by coming past when I wasn't
> really paying attention. If "loud pipes save lives" that wouldn't
> happen because I'd hear them coming... -Curt

I have had that happen, too, even in New Mexico. Yes, it's very scary.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

“Cars and weed.”

(Beavis & Butthead laugh)

-D

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Back in the mid-70s, my buddy and I got our pilots license is in my dad’s 
> Cherokee Warrior. As the 70s came to a close, he kept flying and I thought it 
> was more fun to spend my money on cars and weed. 
> Now he flies the long halls in the 787. Dallas to Tokyo, Dallas to Sydney, 
> Dallas to Hong Kong, Dallas to Dubai. We talked about this the other day and 
> he says that he has thousands and thousands of hours in the the 787 And there 
> has never been even a hint of an issue. But he did agree that he “flys” more 
> than the younger pilots do.
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That seems to be a situation where "I don't recall" would be perfectly valid 
>> answers.
>> 
>> -_FT
>> 
>>> On 8/5/19 11:43 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Some years ago, I was subpoenaed to testify in a court case post crash,
>>> because I had signed a log book entry for a repair that was done to the
>>> airplane 20 years before the crash. Won't say my time on the stand was
>>> pleasant, or that questions were probing but I haven't needed a colonoscopy
>>> since then..
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Those original Portables were great. Huge (10cm thick) and heavy (nearly 16 
pounds!), but it really did have enough battery life to last the entire flight 
from Toronto to Munich!


On 8/5/19, Rory wrote:
>
>I still have my Macintosh Portable that works!


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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Lavazaa for espresso. Wonderful crema. Yum.

-D

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't mind Folgers if its made in a percolator, any other method its 
> gross...
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, August 5, 2019, 12:16:49 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I actually like Folgers instant. I know, I know!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That said, if you like the bottom of the line Folgers, etc, you like Robusta 
>> and can drink all you want.  
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I don't mind Folgers if its made in a percolator, any other method its gross...
-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 12:16:49 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I actually like Folgers instant. I know, I know!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That said, if you like the bottom of the line Folgers, etc, you like Robusta 
> and can drink all you want.  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[Rory via Mercedes]

I still have my Macintosh Portable that works!

Rory

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 6:37 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Last week I was thinking that we're a no Windows household but then
> remembered somewhere I have an HP laptop with XP on it somewhere. I should
> dig that out, it was a great laptop for video editing back in the day.
> A couple months ago I setup a Windows 3.11 VM on my Mac, just something to
> play with. It was surprisingly easy, I'd tried when I first started playing
> with Virtual Box and it didn't want to work, now they've updated Virtual
> Box to support it...
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2019, 8:42:23 AM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I saw my Panasonic laptop a few days ago - no hard drive, boots from a
> 3.5"
> floppy - I need to see if it will power up.
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > My Zenith MiniSport HD wouldn't power up a few years ago.
> > Similar situation, I wanted the padded computer backpack it was in.
> > Was only 20 years old at the time.
> > Still can't make myself throw it away.
> >
> > > On August 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> > >
> > >
> > > Yesterday I went digging in the garage for an old computer carrying
> case
> > I had put away. Found it pretty quickly. Opened it up and found a Toshiba
> > T2000 portable “laptop” or some such thing with all the bits and a spare
> > battery (NiMH?). Has a little LCD screen about 6x9, blue as I recall.
> Tried
> > to fire it up after plugging it in, no joy initially. I’ll have to try it
> > again. Thing must be 25yo.
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I actually like Folgers instant. I know, I know!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> 
> That said, if you like the bottom of the line Folgers, etc, you like Robusta 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Back in the mid-70s, my buddy and I got our pilots license is in my dad’s 
Cherokee Warrior. As the 70s came to a close, he kept flying and I thought it 
was more fun to spend my money on cars and weed. 
Now he flies the long halls in the 787. Dallas to Tokyo, Dallas to Sydney, 
Dallas to Hong Kong, Dallas to Dubai. We talked about this the other day and he 
says that he has thousands and thousands of hours in the the 787 And there has 
never been even a hint of an issue. But he did agree that he “flys” more than 
the younger pilots do.

Bob R

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That seems to be a situation where "I don't recall" would be perfectly valid 
> answers.
> 
> -_FT
> 
>> On 8/5/19 11:43 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Some years ago, I was subpoenaed to testify in a court case post crash,
>> because I had signed a log book entry for a repair that was done to the
>> airplane 20 years before the crash. Won't say my time on the stand was
>> pleasant, or that questions were probing but I haven't needed a colonoscopy
>> since then..
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

That seems to be a situation where "I don't recall" would be perfectly 
valid answers.


-_FT

On 8/5/19 11:43 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Some years ago, I was subpoenaed to testify in a court case post crash,
because I had signed a log book entry for a repair that was done to the
airplane 20 years before the crash. Won't say my time on the stand was
pleasant, or that questions were probing but I haven't needed a colonoscopy
since then..


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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Peter wrote:

>, we no longer have pilots in control most of the time.  That's fine as long 
>as the programmer put everything in, but once you get outside the program 
>parameters, you have to THINK to solve the problem and computers will never 
>think.

Oh, there are companies working on that.

https://su.org/resources/exponential-guides/the-exponential-guide-to-artificial-intelligence/

https://www.datamation.com/artificial-intelligence/top-artificial-intelligence-companies.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Hello Boeing, we are from FAA and we are not happy until you are not happy.

No doubt, FAA has already uncovered some deep issues in manufacture
compliance with their FAA approved manufacture certificate. Thus, the
inspections will continue from top to bottom until FAA is satisfied. BOB..
"Bend Over Boeing"
People died, planes crashed, problems were identified, early on

Some years ago, I was subpoenaed to testify in a court case post crash,
because I had signed a log book entry for a repair that was done to the
airplane 20 years before the crash. Won't say my time on the stand was
pleasant, or that questions were probing but I haven't needed a colonoscopy
since then..


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On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:55 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The current President of Boeing is from GE, worked for Jack Welch and Jeff
> Immelt.  Should tell you all you need to know about the current problems as
> those two totally trashed GE using the "good enough" philosophy of letting
> the customer fix all the things wrong with your products and squeezing out
> every penny on maintenance and research.  The goal seems to have been to
> make the largest manufacturing company in the world into an "asset free"
> business.
>
> Shortcuts in manufacturing always lead to horrible problems with products,
> and combined with the assumption that "computers are smarter than people"
> attitude I can't stand, you get airplanes that fly themselves into the
> ground.
>
> Airbus has the same issues with computers, we no longer have pilots in
> control most of the time.  That's fine as long as the programmer put
> everything in, but once you get outside the program parameters, you have to
> THINK to solve the problem and computers will never think.
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Death Wish uses a blend of robusta and arabica beans.

https://deathwishcoffeehelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115011058367-Lighter-Roasts-Have-More-Caffeine-

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea that video was posted about every other day over there.

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> On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't care who you are that is funny.
> 
> There was a vid recently posted of a guy in an SDL(?) with a generator 
> strapped on and a window unit in a back window.  Total hack but it was very 
> funny.  The vid was hilarious.
> 
> https://geekologie.com/2019/07/meanwhile-in-florida-a-car-with-a-window.php
> 
> Image result for generator window ac mercedes
> 
> FT
> 
>> On 8/5/19 11:21 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Can't help myself.
>> Sorry.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't care who you are that is funny.

There was a vid recently posted of a guy in an SDL(?) with a generator 
strapped on and a window unit in a back window.  Total hack but it was 
very funny.  The vid was hilarious.


https://geekologie.com/2019/07/meanwhile-in-florida-a-car-with-a-window.php

Image result for generator window ac mercedes

FT

On 8/5/19 11:21 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Can't help myself.
Sorry.


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh boy 

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> Can't help myself.
> Sorry.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whatever happened to Jamaica Blue Mountain Coffee? Did they price
themselves out of the Market Austin mark

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 9:30 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Maxwell house used to brag about being 100% Arabica beans. Apparently
> they'd moved to a mix but have now maybe moved back:
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kraft-to-remove-robusta-beans-from-maxwell-house-coffee-blend
> I found other references to Folgers being a mix of primarily Robusta.
> For camping I buy Chock Full o'Nuts because it comes in a can. Its so
> cheap you're paying mostly for the can and the quality of the coffee
> reflects that. ;)
> All my normal drinking coffee comes from Prime Roast Coffee in Keene, NH:
> https://primeroastcoffee.com/
> -Curt 
>
> On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 6:23:16 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Robusta is low grown coffee -- low altitude that is.  It makes up the
> bulk of "commodity coffee" -- the inexpensive bitter stuff at the grocery.
> Well known for bitterness and unpleasant flavors, quite distinctive.
>
> When properly roasted and used to make espresso it transforms into a very
> nice cup, with all the nasty flavors gone.  It makes far better crema than
> arabica coffees in espresso.
>
> That said, the only place I would use it is in espresso, and then only if
> I can roast it myself.  I was told 50 years ago by the manager of the
> General Mills coffee plant in Guatemala City that the best coffee in the
> world is grown at high altitude in Guatemala, and I still think that's
> true.  Some high altitude Africans are close, and Yemeni is wonderful in
> it's own way, but for daily drinking Guatemala it is.
>
> I also roast my own, and have on and off since 1977.  Only way to get
> proper fresh coffee as far as I'm concerned.  Working on a batch to take to
> work as I type, one more round in the roaster will do it.
>
> That said, if you like the bottom of the line Folgers, etc, you like
> Robusta and can drink all you want.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Rich and ignernt

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Yeah lane splitting is common practice in Greece. Annoying and dangerous as 
hell.

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> On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I hated that when I lived in CA. Always scared the heck out of me.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A phrase to show the loud pipe guys they don't know anything about sound.
>> Their idea is that loud pipes will alert motorists around them that a 
>> motorcycle is present. The problem being that the pipes face backward 
>> directing the sound away from the cars that might not notice a motorcycle 
>> behind them. The reference to doppler is really just that the sound of the 
>> pipes when it arrives at the car will be different than it would be for a 
>> car behind the bike.
>> In California where lane splitting is legal and common I've had motorcycles 
>> scare the crap out of me by coming past when I wasn't really paying 
>> attention. If "loud pipes save lives" that wouldn't happen because I'd hear 
>> them coming...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Monday, August 5, 2019, 10:18:50 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:55:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>  But "Loud pipes save lives" unless you understand the doppler effect...
>>> -Curt
>> 
>> Huh?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Rich and ignernt

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I hated that when I lived in CA. Always scared the heck out of me.

-D

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A phrase to show the loud pipe guys they don't know anything about sound.
> Their idea is that loud pipes will alert motorists around them that a 
> motorcycle is present. The problem being that the pipes face backward 
> directing the sound away from the cars that might not notice a motorcycle 
> behind them. The reference to doppler is really just that the sound of the 
> pipes when it arrives at the car will be different than it would be for a car 
> behind the bike.
> In California where lane splitting is legal and common I've had motorcycles 
> scare the crap out of me by coming past when I wasn't really paying 
> attention. If "loud pipes save lives" that wouldn't happen because I'd hear 
> them coming...
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, August 5, 2019, 10:18:50 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:55:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>>   But "Loud pipes save lives" unless you understand the doppler effect...
>> -Curt
> 
> Huh?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Rich and ignernt

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A phrase to show the loud pipe guys they don't know anything about sound.
Their idea is that loud pipes will alert motorists around them that a 
motorcycle is present. The problem being that the pipes face backward directing 
the sound away from the cars that might not notice a motorcycle behind them. 
The reference to doppler is really just that the sound of the pipes when it 
arrives at the car will be different than it would be for a car behind the bike.
In California where lane splitting is legal and common I've had motorcycles 
scare the crap out of me by coming past when I wasn't really paying attention. 
If "loud pipes save lives" that wouldn't happen because I'd hear them coming...
-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 10:18:50 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:55:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  But "Loud pipes save lives" unless you understand the doppler effect...
> -Curt

Huh?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Rich and ignernt

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:55:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  But "Loud pipes save lives" unless you understand the doppler effect...
> -Curt

Huh?


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thank you Dan.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 10:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> No need. No one cares any more.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I have no updates on the nonsense going on because I was banned.
> Somebody else will have to start reporting back to us what the new level of
> stupidity is.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Last week I was thinking that we're a no Windows household but then remembered 
somewhere I have an HP laptop with XP on it somewhere. I should dig that out, 
it was a great laptop for video editing back in the day.
A couple months ago I setup a Windows 3.11 VM on my Mac, just something to play 
with. It was surprisingly easy, I'd tried when I first started playing with 
Virtual Box and it didn't want to work, now they've updated Virtual Box to 
support it...
-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 8:42:23 AM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I saw my Panasonic laptop a few days ago - no hard drive, boots from a 3.5"
floppy - I need to see if it will power up.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My Zenith MiniSport HD wouldn't power up a few years ago.
> Similar situation, I wanted the padded computer backpack it was in.
> Was only 20 years old at the time.
> Still can't make myself throw it away.
>
> > On August 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yesterday I went digging in the garage for an old computer carrying case
> I had put away. Found it pretty quickly. Opened it up and found a Toshiba
> T2000 portable “laptop” or some such thing with all the bits and a spare
> battery (NiMH?). Has a little LCD screen about 6x9, blue as I recall. Tried
> to fire it up after plugging it in, no joy initially. I’ll have to try it
> again. Thing must be 25yo.
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Maxwell house used to brag about being 100% Arabica beans. Apparently they'd 
moved to a mix but have now maybe moved back: 
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kraft-to-remove-robusta-beans-from-maxwell-house-coffee-blend
I found other references to Folgers being a mix of primarily Robusta.
For camping I buy Chock Full o'Nuts because it comes in a can. Its so cheap 
you're paying mostly for the can and the quality of the coffee reflects that. ;)
All my normal drinking coffee comes from Prime Roast Coffee in Keene, NH: 
https://primeroastcoffee.com/
-Curt

On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 6:23:16 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Robusta is low grown coffee -- low altitude that is.  It makes up the bulk of 
"commodity coffee" -- the inexpensive bitter stuff at the grocery.  Well known 
for bitterness and unpleasant flavors, quite distinctive.

When properly roasted and used to make espresso it transforms into a very nice 
cup, with all the nasty flavors gone.  It makes far better crema than arabica 
coffees in espresso.

That said, the only place I would use it is in espresso, and then only if I can 
roast it myself.  I was told 50 years ago by the manager of the General Mills 
coffee plant in Guatemala City that the best coffee in the world is grown at 
high altitude in Guatemala, and I still think that's true.  Some high altitude 
Africans are close, and Yemeni is wonderful in it's own way, but for daily 
drinking Guatemala it is.

I also roast my own, and have on and off since 1977.  Only way to get proper 
fresh coffee as far as I'm concerned.  Working on a batch to take to work as I 
type, one more round in the roaster will do it.

That said, if you like the bottom of the line Folgers, etc, you like Robusta 
and can drink all you want.  



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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

There is a local coffee place called “Buddy Brew”, with “Buddy” being a large 
Labrador as their mascot.

They just recently opened a place a couple blocks away from my office. We went 
in to check it out a few weeks ago, and the barista or whatever they are were 
telling us all about their roasts, etc., etc. I told them I had heard their big 
seller was a form of Kopi Luwak using “Buddy” as the vehicle.

It took the guy a few seconds for this to sink in, after which he was far less 
accommodating.

Hee.

-D

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I got some the last time I was in the Philippines. I found a farmers market 
> on a Sunday. Looked good, smelled nice, tasted like burnt rubber.
> The seller made a big deal out of telling me that I wouldn't find any sticks 
> or leaves in her coffee. I bought whole bean so its easier to tell, once its 
> ground who knows? I bought quite a dark roast, I'm going to back to the 
> Philippines in a couple weeks, I'm planning to try again with a lighter roast.
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 5:45:51 PM EDT, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> That is not the name of a W123 part - rather it is the name of a
> coffee bean, so this is off-topic.  Most coffee is Arabica coffee.
> Has anyone here ever brewed Robusta?  It is not a brew coffee, it is
> espresso, essentially, it seems.  Does anyone have experience with
> this coffee bean?  Robusta seems to be deemed unacceptable since the
> reviews appear to put its taste as burnt rubber.
> Thanks.
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[MBZ] Toshiba Wuz: - Apple's Newton

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

As I recall, toshibas form the 1995 -1998 timeframe do NOT boot with a 
bad battery.  Only way to get one to boot is to put in a new battery for 
big bucks.   Yes, nicad.


Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 8/5/19 8:02 AM:

I used to have one of the Toshibas when I worked in the schools. A 20 pound 
beast with the itty bitty LCD display. Battery would have been NiCad, no NiMH 
around at that time, I believe.

-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hear here! Well Said!

Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 8/5/19 6:51 AM:

The current President of Boeing is from GE, worked for Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt.  Should tell you 
all you need to know about the current problems as those two totally trashed GE using the 
"good enough" philosophy of letting the customer fix all the things wrong with your 
products and squeezing out every penny on maintenance and research.  The goal seems to have been to 
make the largest manufacturing company in the world into an "asset free" business.

Shortcuts in manufacturing always lead to horrible problems with products, and combined 
with the assumption that "computers are smarter than people" attitude I can't 
stand, you get airplanes that fly themselves into the ground.

Airbus has the same issues with computers, we no longer have pilots in control 
most of the time.  That's fine as long as the programmer put everything in, but 
once you get outside the program parameters, you have to THINK to solve the 
problem and computers will never think.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I used to have one of the Toshibas when I worked in the schools. A 20 pound 
beast with the itty bitty LCD display. Battery would have been NiCad, no NiMH 
around at that time, I believe.

-D

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I saw my Panasonic laptop a few days ago - no hard drive, boots from a 3.5"
> floppy - I need to see if it will power up.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My Zenith MiniSport HD wouldn't power up a few years ago.
>> Similar situation, I wanted the padded computer backpack it was in.
>> Was only 20 years old at the time.
>> Still can't make myself throw it away.
>> 
>>> On August 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yesterday I went digging in the garage for an old computer carrying case
>> I had put away. Found it pretty quickly. Opened it up and found a Toshiba
>> T2000 portable “laptop” or some such thing with all the bits and a spare
>> battery (NiMH?). Has a little LCD screen about 6x9, blue as I recall. Tried
>> to fire it up after plugging it in, no joy initially. I’ll have to try it
>> again. Thing must be 25yo.
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Robusta

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I got some the last time I was in the Philippines. I found a farmers market on 
a Sunday. Looked good, smelled nice, tasted like burnt rubber.
The seller made a big deal out of telling me that I wouldn't find any sticks or 
leaves in her coffee. I bought whole bean so its easier to tell, once its 
ground who knows? I bought quite a dark roast, I'm going to back to the 
Philippines in a couple weeks, I'm planning to try again with a lighter roast.
-Curt

On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 5:45:51 PM EDT, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That is not the name of a W123 part - rather it is the name of a
coffee bean, so this is off-topic.  Most coffee is Arabica coffee.
Has anyone here ever brewed Robusta?  It is not a brew coffee, it is
espresso, essentially, it seems.  Does anyone have experience with
this coffee bean?  Robusta seems to be deemed unacceptable since the
reviews appear to put its taste as burnt rubber.
Thanks.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] OT Rich and ignernt

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 But "Loud pipes save lives" unless you understand the doppler effect...
-Curt

On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 3:53:27 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Same sickness as those who pay 20-30k+ for a "Merkun" made motorsickle, 
take off the mufflers and do "hey look at me"s wherever they go.   No 
balls, no class.   Trying to compensate.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 8/4/19 10:48 AM:
> So this morning I go for my bike ride to the beach.  I ride through 
> this little shopping center down the road, it has these little streets 
> that go through it, a "village" kind of thing, the big parking lots 
> are back behind. So anyway I turn on this one street and I hear horns 
> honking. This is very unusual except that we are overrun by Yankees 
> and Ohioans for the summer so maybe not so much right now.
>
> I see like 4 cars and trucks trying to get by this car that is parked 
> in the little street, headed the wrong way, blocking it. It is a 
> really weird looking car, I get closer and see it is a Ferrari, a 
> Laferrari, black.  That's like a $1.5M dollar car, maybe more.  I ride 
> by, the guy in it is messing around with something, the car isn't 
> running, these other vehicles are driving around it and one almost 
> hits me.  Whatever, he just decides to park it there in the street.  
> Maybe he was trying to find the owners manual to figure out how to 
> start it or put it in gear or something.  i don't know why he is 
> parked on the wrong side of the street, or there to begin with.
>
> I look at the guy and he looks vaguely familiar but I don't think I 
> know him.  Maybe have seen him at the C&C they have over there.
>
> So then I hear it start up and it sounds like it has straight pipes. 
> Like some of the brodozers around here.  Instead of staying behind me 
> on my bike as we wend through this little shopping center he has to 
> pass me and goose the thing a few times just to rumble through the 
> streets there.  Then he gets out on the 35mph road and I hear him 
> headed down the way, following some other cars so not really able to 
> let it out of 1st or 2nd.
>
> I swear, money just can't buy class or common sense.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I saw my Panasonic laptop a few days ago - no hard drive, boots from a 3.5"
floppy - I need to see if it will power up.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My Zenith MiniSport HD wouldn't power up a few years ago.
> Similar situation, I wanted the padded computer backpack it was in.
> Was only 20 years old at the time.
> Still can't make myself throw it away.
>
> > On August 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yesterday I went digging in the garage for an old computer carrying case
> I had put away. Found it pretty quickly. Opened it up and found a Toshiba
> T2000 portable “laptop” or some such thing with all the bits and a spare
> battery (NiMH?). Has a little LCD screen about 6x9, blue as I recall. Tried
> to fire it up after plugging it in, no joy initially. I’ll have to try it
> again. Thing must be 25yo.
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Apple's Newton

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My Zenith MiniSport HD wouldn't power up a few years ago.
Similar situation, I wanted the padded computer backpack it was in. 
Was only 20 years old at the time.
Still can't make myself throw it away.

> On August 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yesterday I went digging in the garage for an old computer carrying case I 
> had put away. Found it pretty quickly. Opened it up and found a Toshiba T2000 
> portable “laptop” or some such thing with all the bits and a spare battery 
> (NiMH?). Has a little LCD screen about 6x9, blue as I recall. Tried to fire 
> it up after plugging it in, no joy initially. I’ll have to try it again. 
> Thing must be 25yo.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Hey, you tried to set them straight nicely, and they responded inappropriately, 
threatening you. That goes a long way in describing the general mindset of the 
group.

‘Nuf said.

-D

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know I don’t. I just thought there were folks who might miss the updates. 
> What a relief. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No need. No one cares any more.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I have no updates on the nonsense going on because I was banned.  
>>> Somebody else will have to start reporting back to us what the new level of 
>>> stupidity is.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I know I don’t. I just thought there were folks who might miss the updates. 
What a relief. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2019, at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> No need. No one cares any more.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> Somebody else will have to start reporting back to us what the new level of 
>> stupidity is.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Fakebook fools for today

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Agreed. Although I have been entertained and sometimes disappointed when 
reading posts of all who participated in making light of the arrogance, 
ignorance and lack of experience of some members of the W123 group as well some 
the members of this group. 
I try to remember that when pointing the finger at others there are three other 
fingers pointing back at you. I am guilty of this as well.  
Mike

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> wrote:
> 
> No need. No one cares any more.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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>> Somebody else will have to start reporting back to us what the new level of 
>> stupidity is.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The current President of Boeing is from GE, worked for Jack Welch and Jeff 
Immelt.  Should tell you all you need to know about the current problems as 
those two totally trashed GE using the "good enough" philosophy of letting the 
customer fix all the things wrong with your products and squeezing out every 
penny on maintenance and research.  The goal seems to have been to make the 
largest manufacturing company in the world into an "asset free" business.

Shortcuts in manufacturing always lead to horrible problems with products, and 
combined with the assumption that "computers are smarter than people" attitude 
I can't stand, you get airplanes that fly themselves into the ground.

Airbus has the same issues with computers, we no longer have pilots in control 
most of the time.  That's fine as long as the programmer put everything in, but 
once you get outside the program parameters, you have to THINK to solve the 
problem and computers will never think.  
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Re: [MBZ] Fun with the Golf today

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

And make certain that the plastic covers are in place properly after changing a 
bulb (which is a huge pain) -- else you get a filthy lamp assembly.  The bright 
parts are all surface mirrors and cannot be cleaned.  

The Euro spec 124 headlights aren't bad except for the placement of the air 
filter housing which makes the left side amost impossible.  Better than the DOT 
ones, but not much.
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Re: [MBZ] eurrorriffic

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

The pictures appear to be of three different cars

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 10:57 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There is a lot about this listing that doesn't wash quite clean.
> Advert is for the holly grail Mercedes wagon.
> Claim is "one owner" which adds interest, with low miles.
> Buy it now price is "up there".
> Title is in USA.
> Payment is in Canadian.
> Owner will be "on vacation for next 3 weeks while sale is going on".
> [ie. I'm not available to answer any questions or verify it's a real car
> listed.]
> $500 deposit, with payment, yada yada..
>
> The tint here, to me, raises caution flagsscam?  I would want a hands
> on inspection to verify the whole deal, face to face transfer of title and
> cash... if I were to bid on this deal.
>
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> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 7:48 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > It's in Columbus, on a US title, and the seller wants payment in $CAD?
> > Mitch
> >
> > > On August 4, 2019 at 10:13 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Euro-250D-5-speed-ESTATE-SUPERB-74K-MILES/183910081389
> > ?
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