Re: [MBZ] The list

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, I got your email and about 24 others today.   Hope all is well out 
your way.


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 11/19/19 10:51 PM:

I feel ok for the moment.

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Folks

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No, he lives in a swamp. Nobody does any work there.   The giant sucking 
sound is all the swamp dwellers sucking money out of your pocket.


Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 11/19/19 11:14 AM:

What! Do you live under a rock!





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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Any MB Fahrtzoid 6zyl Diesel should be able to adequately power a 
peekup.   OM603, 606, and the newer V models shoould work.  Of course 
with the newer ones, you'd also have to transplant the black boxes and 
deal with nannies until you could get it to run.


BTW, Fahrtzoit is your word of the day.   KHD used it extensively to 
segregate variable speed Diesel engines from constant speed engines, 
such as for generators, water pumps, etc.   F912 series, F913 series, etc.


I rode in a IH pickup with an OM636 and a 5 spd crashbox.   It was 
adequate.   OM616 was used quite a bit in boats.  Probably OM615 also.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 11/19/19 11:12 AM:
I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you 
folks know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort 
of vehicle?


I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota 
4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup 
with a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his 
brother or something like that.


What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be 
sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a 
full size 2WD Chevy pickup.


One step further - how about putting one in a boat?

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

but I don't know who bought stanley and resurrected it.   So far 
crapsman is in napa, Ace and lowes.   Whoever bought crapsman, they are 
getting it in retail spots, but so far nothing done to improve quality 
or reputation. (or price) I'll stick with HF, thanks.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/19/19 10:20 AM:

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:39:34 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
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I thought Stanley bought Craftsman a few years ago and was recently
making moves to return production to USA.

I received the attached in an email this morning.

I thought Lowe's bought Craftsman.

Now I am confused.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] The list

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I feel ok for the moment.

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Folks

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Re: [MBZ] Seriously crack fueled

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What!!! . it's totaled
The guy is off his medication, apparently.

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Re: [MBZ] Seriously crack fueled

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Typical extra zero. 

Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've never been all that excited about the power to weight ratio of a 617 in 
stock form. I'd want to wind it up a bit for use in a truck. A 60x would 
probably be a better choice.
Jeep guys use mostly TDI engines because they're teeny by comparison. Even the 
old VE engines can do 150hp with some modest tweaks...
The 1980s vintage PB100 Pisten Bully snow groomers used a 617 engine...

-Curt

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 12:13:15 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you 
folks know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort of 
vehicle?

I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota 
4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup 
with a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his 
brother or something like that.

What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be 
sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a 
full size 2WD Chevy pickup.

One step further - how about putting one in a boat?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've thought about an OM617 in my 2004 Frontier. It's a V6 4WD with a
5-speed. The gearing seems about right based on engine RPMs at the shift
points.

In the specific case of my Frontier, though, it's too rusty for me to
want to invest that much work in it. Also there's nothing wrong with its
V6 engine. It's the best part of the vehicle.

For Toyotas, there are adapter kits here:

https://www.4x4labs.com/products/om617-to-r150-transmission-adapter

https://www.4x4labs.com/products/om617-to-w56-transmission-adapter-1

https://www.4x4labs.com/products/om617-to-h42-h55f-transmission-adapter

Allan


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> The G300D had a 617, I would guess that thing is about the same weight 
> as a Chebby peekup, which is to say it was a dog from what I have seen, 
> but the 4WD setup would make it pretty much unstoppable.  Probably would 
> be OK in a P/U with proper gearing for a farm truck but for everyday use 
> probably not pleasant. Apparently transplants into the Toyotas is 
> reasonably straightforward and guys like that swap.
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/19/19 12:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you 
>> folks know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort 
>> of vehicle?
>>
>> I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota 
>> 4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup 
>> with a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his 
>> brother or something like that.
>>
>> What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be 
>> sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a 
>> full size 2WD Chevy pickup.
>>
>> One step further - how about putting one in a boat?
>>
>> Randy
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oct 24, 2017 Stanley Black & Decker has chosen Lowe's as the next retail 
destination for its Craftsman brand, which it bought from Sears Holdings 
earlier this year. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/stanley-black-and-decker-taps-lowes-to-sell-the-craftsman-tool-brand.html


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Quality and Innovation. With Stanley Black & Decker, the CRAFTSMAN legacy 
continues.
Follow us as we journey across America introducing new products and opening new 
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5-15-2019:
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manufacturing footprint with a new CRAFTSMAN manufacturing plant in Fort Worth, 
TX. The groundbreaking for the 425,000-square-foot facility will take place in 
summer 2019, and the plant is expected to be completed in late 2020.
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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m not surprised that someone has marinized a Mercedes diesel, but I wouldn’t 
expect them to be terribly popular due to the limited output.

I’ve never worked with propulsion engines in a boat but I’ve done lots of work 
with marine generators, which aren’t a lot different as far as the 
modifications necessary to make them work in a marine environment. My takeaway 
from the experience made me convinced that a boat is not something I would ever 
care to own - unless it was something like a canoe. The adage about them being 
"large holes in the water you pour money into” is as true as the one about 
there being no such thing as a “cheap Mercedes”…

-D

 
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
> There is a company in Scandinavia that has kits for marinzing for Mercedes 
> diesels.  Its not too uncommon to see 602s as marine engines in Europe.  But 
> they're fairly low output compared to any engine we'd find here in the states 
> in most boats.  Its hard to compete with a Mercuriser V8 in terms of 
> horsepower.  And boats like trawlers that have lower horsepower needs are 
> better served by large slow turning engines that last forever, like Ford 
> Lehman diesels.  
> 
> I too would like to retrofit a MB diesel into a boat, having been around 
> boats for most of my life.  But finding a combination of boat and engine that 
> makes is difficult.  As Dan said, the exhaust is a major issue.  Building one 
> yourself isn't simple... its pretty easy for the engine to swallow up sea 
> water when conditions are not perfect.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:18 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> “Marinizing” an engine, that is, making it suitable to operate in a boat, is 
> a very tricky business and typically involves some serious modifications to 
> an engine, primarily in the cooling and exhaust systems. A water cooled 
> exhaust manifold would be required, along with a heat exchanger (closed 
> system) or not (open system). You would also need to set up an accessory 
> drive for the raw water pump as well.
> 
> Far more complex than dropping it into another over the road vehicle, I would 
> think.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you folks 
> > know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort of vehicle?
> > 
> > I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota 
> > 4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup with 
> > a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his brother or 
> > something like that.
> > 
> > What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be 
> > sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a full 
> > size 2WD Chevy pickup.
> > 
> > One step further - how about putting one in a boat?
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

There is a company in Scandinavia that has kits for marinzing for Mercedes
diesels.  Its not too uncommon to see 602s as marine engines in Europe.
But they're fairly low output compared to any engine we'd find here in the
states in most boats.  Its hard to compete with a Mercuriser V8 in terms of
horsepower.  And boats like trawlers that have lower horsepower needs are
better served by large slow turning engines that last forever, like Ford
Lehman diesels.

I too would like to retrofit a MB diesel into a boat, having been around
boats for most of my life.  But finding a combination of boat and engine
that makes is difficult.  As Dan said, the exhaust is a major issue.
Building one yourself isn't simple... its pretty easy for the engine to
swallow up sea water when conditions are not perfect.

Jaime


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:18 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> “Marinizing” an engine, that is, making it suitable to operate in a boat,
> is a very tricky business and typically involves some serious modifications
> to an engine, primarily in the cooling and exhaust systems. A water cooled
> exhaust manifold would be required, along with a heat exchanger (closed
> system) or not (open system). You would also need to set up an accessory
> drive for the raw water pump as well.
>
> Far more complex than dropping it into another over the road vehicle, I
> would think.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you
> folks know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort of
> vehicle?
> >
> > I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota
> 4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup with
> a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his brother or
> something like that.
> >
> > What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be
> sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a full
> size 2WD Chevy pickup.
> >
> > One step further - how about putting one in a boat?
> >
> > Randy
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[MBZ] W115 250C on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not much interest yet.

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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

“Marinizing” an engine, that is, making it suitable to operate in a boat, is a 
very tricky business and typically involves some serious modifications to an 
engine, primarily in the cooling and exhaust systems. A water cooled exhaust 
manifold would be required, along with a heat exchanger (closed system) or not 
(open system). You would also need to set up an accessory drive for the raw 
water pump as well.

Far more complex than dropping it into another over the road vehicle, I would 
think.

-D


> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you folks 
> know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort of vehicle?
> 
> I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota 4Runners 
> or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup with a MB diesel 
> that someone had put into it that he traded to his brother or something like 
> that.
> 
> What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be sufficient 
> power available if one were to put one in something like a full size 2WD 
> Chevy pickup.
> 
> One step further - how about putting one in a boat?
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's smarter, all the donor parts could be of value.  Much easier to
transport to your transplant location.

Consider using an OM603 or OM606 turbo engine, which can provide a lot of
the torque needed to move a pickup in a more satisfactory manner.

An OM606 turbo would need a mechanical injection pump from a 603 to make an
easier swap.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> On 19/11/2019 11:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > I've got a nice low mile OM603 engine with transmission.  Shipping will
> be
> > a significant consideration.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> NO kidding! Plus, I think if I were ever to undertake such a swap, I
> would need the whole car. Therein lies the thing that makes it
> interesting. A rusty car would go for small money and provide pretty
> well all of the needed parts.
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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/11/2019 11:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I've got a nice low mile OM603 engine with transmission.  Shipping will be
a significant consideration.
-
Max
Charleston SC

NO kidding! Plus, I think if I were ever to undertake such a swap, I 
would need the whole car. Therein lies the thing that makes it 
interesting. A rusty car would go for small money and provide pretty 
well all of the needed parts.


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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I've got a nice low mile OM603 engine with transmission.  Shipping will be
a significant consideration.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:13 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you
> folks know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort of
> vehicle?
>
> I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota
> 4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup
> with a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his
> brother or something like that.
>
> What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be
> sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a
> full size 2WD Chevy pickup.
>
> One step further - how about putting one in a boat?
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The G300D had a 617, I would guess that thing is about the same weight 
as a Chebby peekup, which is to say it was a dog from what I have seen, 
but the 4WD setup would make it pretty much unstoppable.  Probably would 
be OK in a P/U with proper gearing for a farm truck but for everyday use 
probably not pleasant. Apparently transplants into the Toyotas is 
reasonably straightforward and guys like that swap.


--FT

On 11/19/19 12:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you 
folks know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort 
of vehicle?


I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota 
4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup 
with a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his 
brother or something like that.


What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be 
sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a 
full size 2WD Chevy pickup.


One step further - how about putting one in a boat?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> ... he traded [the Mazcedes] to his brother or something like that.

Technically I sold it to him, for exactly what I paid, in exchange for his 
interest in Dad's Ford diesel.
Its smaller size better suits his needs than mine, and vice-versa.  The actual 
payment will
come at final reckoning of the estate, so nobody's ponying up anything in this 
deal.

> I am curious as to whether there would be sufficient power available if one 
> were to put one in something like a full size 2WD Chevy pickup.

My guess is that it would feel underpowered, especially with today's 
expectations.
It probably would not actually drive any worse than an older pickup with a 
straight 6 in it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Jim had a Mazda pickup with a MB diesel that someone had put into it...

That truck was far less drivable than it should have been.  I suspect 
ALDA/turbo problems,
and the gearing might not have been optimal.  It worked, though.  The lack of 
the double
mount via engine subframe was quite apparent, there was a LOT of vibration.  
The whole
effect was FAR less pleasing than the 200D sedan.  But, it WAS a pickup and it 
DID have
4wd and a manual tranny.  And, fairly unique.  Still cool, in other words, in 
spite of the issues.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Not Diesel

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Around here I've seen diesel with green, yellow, or black nozzle
handles. Gasoline with black, yellow, or red.

Can't go by nozzle color.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Beware of green nozzles that aren't diesel...
>
> https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146014/6664-1163444.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

What! Do you live under a rock!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I never knew about HF stores. I will go have a look.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 12:07 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm more impressed with Harbor Freight all the time. Bought a 1/2 inch
>> torque wrench from them... less than $14  tested it for calibration and
>> it was within 3% .. used it is for a year on wheel lugs and a few other
>> projects... then it failed internally.
>> Walked into the local Harbor Freight store with it... said .. "It
>> failed"... they said... go get a new one... no charge... Thank you..
>> 
>> They are acting like the old Sears tool people on tool guarantee.  Quality
>> good enough for most jobs... My thousand dollar set of Snap On wrenches
>> stay in the drawer.
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:30 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the
>>> money.
>>> When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF
>>> ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3'
>>> cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.
>>> 
>>> Curt
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace hardware
>>> also.They have not
>>> warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier
>>> now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and
>>> wrenches for 3x list price.
>>> 
>>> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
>>> 
>>> As for HF insider: NO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
 I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
 Inside Track Club.
 
 Is this worth it?
 
 I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes
>> has
 bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing
>> tools.
 They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I
>> had
 seen in the past.
 
 
 Craig
 
 
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[MBZ] MB Engine Transplants?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I know this subject has been touched upon in the past but what do you 
folks know about transplanting a Mercedes diesel into some other sort of 
vehicle?


I believe I have seen utube videos etc about transplants into Toyota 
4Runners or something similar and I think that Jim had a Mazda pickup 
with a MB diesel that someone had put into it that he traded to his 
brother or something like that.


What else is out there? I am curious as to whether there would be 
sufficient power available if one were to put one in something like a 
full size 2WD Chevy pickup.


One step further - how about putting one in a boat?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] AZ Bob did not screw me over on a car deal

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I was thinking that too, but Kaleb says this car already has that clutched
pulley, so ?  One example is a terrible sample size to draw a conclusion
from.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:46 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If you switch the alternator pulley to the freewheel version, it will not
> jiggle the spring to death at idle. But springs are pretty cheap.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

[OK Don via Mercedes]

According to Wikipedia, "In March 2017, Stanley Black & Decker acquired the
Craftsman brand from Sears Holdings, which retained a limited license for
Craftsman products[1]
. Sears
maintains the right to manufacture and sell tools using existing supply
channels under the Craftsman name for 15 years after the deal closed."
and -
"Craftsman tools are sold in Sears  and
sister store Kmart ,[11]
 as well
as US military Army and Air Force Exchange Service
 stores,
[12]  Navy
Exchange  stores, Summit
Racing Equipment
, Blain's
Farm & Fleet ,
Menards , W. W. Grainger
, Ace Hardware
,[*citation needed
*] Montgomery Ward
,[13]
 Lowes
[14]
,
and Orchard Supply Hardware
."

I guess NAPA just joined that group ...


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:22 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:39:34 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I thought Stanley bought Craftsman a few years ago and was recently
> > making moves to return production to USA.
>
> I received the attached in an email this morning.
>
> I thought Lowe's bought Craftsman.
>
> Now I am confused.
>
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
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for themselves."

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