Re: [MBZ] New truck but not benz

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Get a MB star to put on the front!

--FT
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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I haven’t had time to follow the list much, but I did want to share a photo 
> of the new truck I bought a few weeks ago... I had a UD Rollback that I 
> bought near Charleston, SC last fall with some problems and we could never 
> find the correct exhaust manifold with the right angle for the turbo ... and 
> Nissan didn’t have it, so I was able to sell It for about a $2k profit and 
> then immediately found this crew cab Isuzu in Moultrie, GA. A used car lot 
> had had it for their personal car hauler but got sick of the DOT ... I got 
> another DOT medical and am using it and I guess I am fairly legal. I moved a 
> storage building with it ... loaded it only onto a trailer and then hauled a 
> bunch of printing presses from Greer, SC near Greenville/Spartanburg last 
> Wednesday and Thursday ... it’s pretty perfect except for not quite cold 
> enough AC but it has been brutally hot. It cost $11.3k which I think is cheap 
> for 2002 with only 178k miles ... new equivalent would probably cost 90k. It 
> is actually GNC badged which is pretty funny for a made in Japan truck. I 
> also like that it has a slush box transmission. I have not desire to shift 
> gears on a heavy truck. It’s GVR is some king like 14,500 lbs.
> 
> Xx rick
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

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I watched a coupla utubers who used goo gone to loosen the sticky stuff and 
kinda roll it off. The turps seemed to actually dissolve most of it and it 
mostly rubbed off.   There was also a suggestion of acetone which I was out of 
so grabbed the turps. And it smells better than thinner or acetone. 

Some utuber asserted that the sticky stuff was like some kind of varnish 
coating on the plastic. This stuff seems to be pure black plastic with that 
coating. 

I think tomorrow I’ll try to remove the trim pieces and get them cleaned up, 
then try the epoxy with some screen material.  Maybe tack them first with 
cyanoacrylate. 

It’s kinda odd these are the only pieces that are sticky. 

--FT
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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy 
> with some reinforcement is probably the best approach.
> 
> I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What you’re 
> experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early 2000s 
> Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. Problem 
> with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at them 
> really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with 
>> some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might 
>> need To do a coupla goes. 
>> 
>> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to 
>> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover 
>> — what was that and how would it work on trim?
>> 
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I had builders swear on Marvin over Pella.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:42 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> In my experience Pella are much better than Anderson.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 10:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> > > 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which
> is
> > > ludicrous.  I was able
> > > to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> > > percent less energy-efficient,
> > > unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> > > periodically. Not even sure
> > > you can get it anymore.
> >
> > I have Pella windows, that are now about 22 years old. None have any
> > fogging or other issues, including the sliding door out the back of the
> > basement.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

In my experience Pella are much better than Anderson.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 10:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> > ludicrous.  I was able
> > to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> > percent less energy-efficient,
> > unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> > periodically. Not even sure
> > you can get it anymore.
>
> I have Pella windows, that are now about 22 years old. None have any
> fogging or other issues, including the sliding door out the back of the
> basement.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:

> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> ludicrous.  I was able
> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> percent less energy-efficient,
> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> periodically. Not even sure
> you can get it anymore.

I have Pella windows, that are now about 22 years old. None have any
fogging or other issues, including the sliding door out the back of the
basement.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Sat, September 12, 2020 9:03 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
> When we built our first house down here we asked for double pane windows,
> not just for the energy savings but for noise, too. Builder wouldn't do
> it, even if we paid.

Because he was afraid of them fogging up, or other unspecified reasons?
The latter sounds like a firing offense, unless he owned the land and you
were stuck with him.

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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Clay via Mercedes]

GWN neighborhood is proximate to ANC, so lots of noise.  Homes go for the 
triple panes when the glazing fails.  Probably comparable to hurricane glass 
pricing.  Not enough window factories here, and the big brands have to come by 
barge.  Custom glass takes a few months to arrive, so they sell it to you this 
summer for install the next.

My desire is to do a custom build with all the next gen goodies in a structure 
able to operate in analog mode for when the veneer of civilization is gone.  
The best of the 21st century to operate in 19th century splendor.  

Now if I could find a goodly plot of land for a reasonable price….

NOT in GWN, but maybe proximate to hurricane country, but not in it.

clay 

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here in FL hurricane rated windows are the big thing for replacement. They’re 
> very expensive, so builders won't use them, you’ll have to retrofit at your 
> expense.
> 
> I don’t think they’re multipane, but they could be. A neighbor just had his 
> house done, and it was close to $30k.
> 
> When we built our first house down here we asked for double pane windows, not 
> just for the energy savings but for noise, too. Builder wouldn’t do it, even 
> if we paid.
> 
> New South are the big window guys down here, although there are plenty 
> others, too.
> 
> https://newsouthwindow.com 
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
>>> seems to fog and fail very swiftly
>> 
>> 
>> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
>> ludicrous.  I was able
>> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
>> percent less energy-efficient,
>> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
>> periodically. Not even sure
>> you can get it anymore.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Clay via Mercedes]

I did a complete replace on the SEA casita over the past 20 years.  One door 
has fogged.  The GWN house has annual temperature fluctuations of 70-80*C.  A 
majority of the glazing has failed, fogging and interior frost formation in 
winter.  Laminate would reduce ambient noise from airport operations and remove 
the cataracts on the view.  Original 35 year old windows.  I expect no thermal 
upgrade, as the shack has 2x4 framing and low R pink insulation.



clay 

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
>> seems to fog and fail very swiftly
> 
> 
> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> ludicrous.  I was able
> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> percent less energy-efficient,
> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> periodically. Not even sure
> you can get it anymore.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here in FL hurricane rated windows are the big thing for replacement. They’re 
very expensive, so builders won't use them, you’ll have to retrofit at your 
expense.

I don’t think they’re multipane, but they could be. A neighbor just had his 
house done, and it was close to $30k.

When we built our first house down here we asked for double pane windows, not 
just for the energy savings but for noise, too. Builder wouldn’t do it, even if 
we paid.

New South are the big window guys down here, although there are plenty others, 
too.

https://newsouthwindow.com 

-D


> On Sep 12, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
>> seems to fog and fail very swiftly
> 
> 
> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> ludicrous.  I was able
> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> percent less energy-efficient,
> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> periodically. Not even sure
> you can get it anymore.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New truck but not benz

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Sounds like a very nice truck indeed! I’ve been enjoying the Sprinter which has 
been getting time as Der RC CarWagen, Der PaddleboardWagen for last weekend’s 
trip to the lake, and today, Der DoodleWagen once again. The air quality lately 
has been unhealthy to hazardous due to smoke from wildfires, so the Doodles are 
at the indoor kennel for a few days. I sure do love that van!
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
2019 Sprinter 12 passenger 144WB 1600+mi, Low Mileage Lutgard
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It is a nice truck. I’m just amazed that there’s that much business in old 
> letterpresses and hand set type. Cool.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow Rick, that sure is a purty truck
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
>> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout 
>> of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>> 
>> B. Johnson
>> 01/09/2020
>> 
 On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon 
 via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> I haven’t had time to follow the list much, but I did want to share a photo 
>>> of the new truck I bought a few weeks ago... I had a UD Rollback that I 
>>> bought near Charleston, SC last fall with some problems and we could never 
>>> find the correct exhaust manifold with the right angle for the turbo ... 
>>> and Nissan didn’t have it, so I was able to sell It for about a $2k profit 
>>> and then immediately found this crew cab Isuzu in Moultrie, GA. A used car 
>>> lot had had it for their personal car hauler but got sick of the DOT ... I 
>>> got another DOT medical and am using it and I guess I am fairly legal. I 
>>> moved a storage building with it ... loaded it only onto a trailer and then 
>>> hauled a bunch of printing presses from Greer, SC near 
>>> Greenville/Spartanburg last Wednesday and Thursday ... it’s pretty perfect 
>>> except for not quite cold enough AC but it has been brutally hot. It cost 
>>> $11.3k which I think is cheap for 2002 with only 178k miles ... new 
>>> equivalent would probably cost 90k. It is actually GNC badged which is 
>>> pretty funny for a made in Japan truck. I also like that it has a slush box 
>>> transmission. I have not desire to shift gears on a heavy truck. It’s GVR 
>>> is some king like 14,500 lbs.
>>> 
>>> Xx rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
> seems to fog and fail very swiftly


20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
ludicrous.  I was able
to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
percent less energy-efficient,
unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
periodically. Not even sure
you can get it anymore.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

[Clay via Mercedes]

Green interior in the SL suffered from that with the center console.  It was 
such a rare color that paint was applied to a grey console from the factory.  I 
had to do funky matching when I replaced the chopped up console.

clay 


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2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis

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1986 SDL - Polei
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1982 SD - Allen
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It was a design of the plastic’s deterioration, planned or not.
> 
> My ML500 was like this, too. All of the plastic surfaces were sticky, no 
> matter how often you cleaned them.
> 
> As I search for a nice SLK 320 for the wife I’ve found that there was another 
> major plastic “fail” at the time, too. The plastics on the SLK230 and SLK320 
> were not molded in the color of the interior, that is, there was a finish 
> applied to a plastic part. The finishes wear off or break down over the 
> years, and depending on the original color can look just horrible. And it’s 
> not just the console, it’s the bolsters and glove compartment door, too.
> 
> My upholstery guy say they refused to work on them because nothing they tried 
> was permanent or would wear. He said the last job he did on one about five 
> years ago was complete new replacement parts from MB, and he said it was 
> really pricey.
> 
> -D

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[MBZ] Convergence

[Clay via Mercedes]

Winter is setting in in GWN.  Had the first semi killing frost this morning and 
the lettuce gave up the ghost.  Flowers are just peeved, as it is a sunny day.

I have no intention to remain in this land of limited warmth and light (climate 
change is a hoax and will not get here soon enough).  The past month or two I 
have been doing some research into home building for retirement.  Lots of FEMA 
literature, house plans, regulations, geo-tech and building systems.  Today was 
glazing deep dive.

Hurricane glass and laminated glazing.  I wanted to find mean time before 
failure, as double paned normal glass seems to fog and fail very swiftly to my 
mind.  Rabbit hole of usages, history, applications and not much on how long 
this stuff remains within design parameters.  I did find lots of glass to deal 
with current social and environmental issues.  Bullet and impact resistant 
glazing. Fire resistance and noise attenuation.  The part is do want to look at 
further is using laminated instead of tempered for side lites in automotive 
uses.  That should allow a driver to exit situations of peaceful protest 
without shattered windows.  No idea if wildfires would be kept out long enough 
for the car to get very far.


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] New truck but not benz

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It is a nice truck. I’m just amazed that there’s that much business in old 
letterpresses and hand set type. Cool.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Wow Rick, that sure is a purty truck
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> I haven’t had time to follow the list much, but I did want to share a photo 
>> of the new truck I bought a few weeks ago... I had a UD Rollback that I 
>> bought near Charleston, SC last fall with some problems and we could never 
>> find the correct exhaust manifold with the right angle for the turbo ... and 
>> Nissan didn’t have it, so I was able to sell It for about a $2k profit and 
>> then immediately found this crew cab Isuzu in Moultrie, GA. A used car lot 
>> had had it for their personal car hauler but got sick of the DOT ... I got 
>> another DOT medical and am using it and I guess I am fairly legal. I moved a 
>> storage building with it ... loaded it only onto a trailer and then hauled a 
>> bunch of printing presses from Greer, SC near Greenville/Spartanburg last 
>> Wednesday and Thursday ... it’s pretty perfect except for not quite cold 
>> enough AC but it has been brutally hot. It cost $11.3k which I think is 
>> cheap for 2002 with only 178k miles ... new equivalent would probably cost 
>> 90k. It is actually GNC badged which is pretty funny for a made in Japan 
>> truck. I also like that it has a slush box transmission. I have not desire 
>> to shift gears on a heavy truck. It’s GVR is some king like 14,500 lbs.
>> 
>> Xx rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It was a design of the plastic’s deterioration, planned or not.

My ML500 was like this, too. All of the plastic surfaces were sticky, no matter 
how often you cleaned them.

As I search for a nice SLK 320 for the wife I’ve found that there was another 
major plastic “fail” at the time, too. The plastics on the SLK230 and SLK320 
were not molded in the color of the interior, that is, there was a finish 
applied to a plastic part. The finishes wear off or break down over the years, 
and depending on the original color can look just horrible. And it’s not just 
the console, it’s the bolsters and glove compartment door, too.

My upholstery guy say they refused to work on them because nothing they tried 
was permanent or would wear. He said the last job he did on one about five 
years ago was complete new replacement parts from MB, and he said it was really 
pricey.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:31 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I always had the feeling the W220 needed to be driven with gloves due to the 
> tacky nature of the knobs and buttons.  It felt as if the prior owner had 
> suckled on gummi fruits and drove with his ganky paws poking and twisting the 
> buttons and knobs.  I never found evidence of candy, but would not have 
> thought it was the degradation of the material.  Learn something new every 
> day.
> 
> So the sticky was a design feature for extra digital traction/adhesion??
> 
> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy 
>> with some reinforcement is probably the best approach.
>> 
>> I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What 
>> you’re experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early 
>> 2000s Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. 
>> Problem with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at 
>> them really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some 
>>> with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. 
>>> Might need To do a coupla goes. 
>>> 
>>> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to 
>>> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover 
>>> — what was that and how would it work on trim?
>>> 
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] New truck but not benz

[Clay via Mercedes]

Wow Rick, that sure is a purty truck


clay 

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I haven’t had time to follow the list much, but I did want to share a photo 
> of the new truck I bought a few weeks ago... I had a UD Rollback that I 
> bought near Charleston, SC last fall with some problems and we could never 
> find the correct exhaust manifold with the right angle for the turbo ... and 
> Nissan didn’t have it, so I was able to sell It for about a $2k profit and 
> then immediately found this crew cab Isuzu in Moultrie, GA. A used car lot 
> had had it for their personal car hauler but got sick of the DOT ... I got 
> another DOT medical and am using it and I guess I am fairly legal. I moved a 
> storage building with it ... loaded it only onto a trailer and then hauled a 
> bunch of printing presses from Greer, SC near Greenville/Spartanburg last 
> Wednesday and Thursday ... it’s pretty perfect except for not quite cold 
> enough AC but it has been brutally hot. It cost $11.3k which I think is cheap 
> for 2002 with only 178k miles ... new equivalent would probably cost 90k. It 
> is actually GNC badged which is pretty funny for a made in Japan truck. I 
> also like that it has a slush box transmission. I have not desire to shift 
> gears on a heavy truck. It’s GVR is some king like 14,500 lbs.
> 
> Xx rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New truck but not benz

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You know you just made everyone jealous. 

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I haven’t had time to follow the list much, but I did want to share a photo 
> of the new truck I bought a few weeks ago... I had a UD Rollback that I 
> bought near Charleston, SC last fall with some problems and we could never 
> find the correct exhaust manifold with the right angle for the turbo ... and 
> Nissan didn’t have it, so I was able to sell It for about a $2k profit and 
> then immediately found this crew cab Isuzu in Moultrie, GA. A used car lot 
> had had it for their personal car hauler but got sick of the DOT ... I got 
> another DOT medical and am using it and I guess I am fairly legal. I moved a 
> storage building with it ... loaded it only onto a trailer and then hauled a 
> bunch of printing presses from Greer, SC near Greenville/Spartanburg last 
> Wednesday and Thursday ... it’s pretty perfect except for not quite cold 
> enough AC but it has been brutally hot. It cost $11.3k which I think is cheap 
> for 2002 with only 178k miles ... new equivalent would probably cost 90k. It 
> is actually GNC badged which is pretty funny for a made in Japan truck. I 
> also like that it has a slush box transmission. I have not desire to shift 
> gears on a heavy truck. It’s GVR is some king like 14,500 lbs.
> 
> Xx rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New truck but not benz

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Very nice

Bob R

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I haven’t had time to follow the list much, but I did want to share a photo 
> of the new truck I bought a few weeks ago... I had a UD Rollback that I 
> bought near Charleston, SC last fall with some problems and we could never 
> find the correct exhaust manifold with the right angle for the turbo ... and 
> Nissan didn’t have it, so I was able to sell It for about a $2k profit and 
> then immediately found this crew cab Isuzu in Moultrie, GA. A used car lot 
> had had it for their personal car hauler but got sick of the DOT ... I got 
> another DOT medical and am using it and I guess I am fairly legal. I moved a 
> storage building with it ... loaded it only onto a trailer and then hauled a 
> bunch of printing presses from Greer, SC near Greenville/Spartanburg last 
> Wednesday and Thursday ... it’s pretty perfect except for not quite cold 
> enough AC but it has been brutally hot. It cost $11.3k which I think is cheap 
> for 2002 with only 178k miles ... new equivalent would probably cost 90k. It 
> is actually GNC badged which is pretty funny for a made in Japan truck. I 
> also like that it has a slush box transmission. I have not desire to shift 
> gears on a heavy truck. It’s GVR is some king like 14,500 lbs.
> 
> Xx rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

[Clay via Mercedes]

I always had the feeling the W220 needed to be driven with gloves due to the 
tacky nature of the knobs and buttons.  It felt as if the prior owner had 
suckled on gummi fruits and drove with his ganky paws poking and twisting the 
buttons and knobs.  I never found evidence of candy, but would not have thought 
it was the degradation of the material.  Learn something new every day.

So the sticky was a design feature for extra digital traction/adhesion??

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy with 
> some reinforcement is probably the best approach.
> 
> I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What you’re 
> experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early 2000s 
> Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. Problem 
> with those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at them 
> really hard you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with 
>> some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might 
>> need To do a coupla goes. 
>> 
>> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to 
>> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover 
>> — what was that and how would it work on trim?
>> 
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have to defer to “Mr. Adhesives” here. As Don suggested, plastic epoxy with 
some reinforcement is probably the best approach.

I’ve never used “Goo Gone” but I’ve heard many sing it’s praises. What you’re 
experiencing is the plastic breaking down as it does in all early 2000s 
Mercedes. Worst are the steering wheel buttons for the telematics. Problem with 
those is that the legends are painted on them, so if you go at them really hard 
you end up with white buttons and no legends/icons.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with 
> some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might 
> need To do a coupla goes. 
> 
> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to 
> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover — 
> what was that and how would it work on trim?
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Goo Gone magic stuff for removing adhesive of all kinds... once the
adhesive is removed, remove any residual Goo Gone with rubbing alcohol, let
dry before applying epoxy ..

Goo Gone... Home Depot, Ace Hdwre.. I've even seen it in dollar stores in
small containers.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:20 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some
> with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off.
> Might need To do a coupla goes.
>
> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to
> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover
> — what was that and how would it work on trim?
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Every wasp that arrived or departed got sucked into the shop vac.


I did this once, it took days.  I had to move the hose a few times, as
they would crawl from the windy exit and take off a few inches away.
I didn't want to kill my good shop-vac, so I bought one for $20 at the
liquidation outlet.  (Costco returns, etc.)  It did the job, and is still
running.  It's small and handy, and also has a stainless-steel tank
like the bigger one I was protecting.


> And then you have to do something with the canister full of live wasps.
>

They don't live that long, in a dry tank out in the hot sun.  Also helps if
you shoot a little insecticide down the hose.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I did this at night, and still got stung, even with protective clothing...
>

I had very good luck once with a hornet nest that had set up inside my
truck's receiver hitch. I had no spray, and I needed to use the truck.
I found that an acetylene torch with a white flame was the only thing
those little bastards could see.  They all flew at it on the attack, whipped
through the flame, and hit the ground wingless.  Stomp city after that,
and I used the flame to cook out the nest.

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Re: [MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Use the plastic epoxy with some reinforcing fabric or window screen on the
back side of the cracks.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 5:20 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some
> with some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off.
> Might need To do a coupla goes.
>
> One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to
> fix it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover
> — what was that and how would it work on trim?
>
> --R
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[MBZ] Sticky broken plastic trim pieces

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The seat bottom trim pieces on the ML500 are all sticky. I went at some with 
some turpentine and that seemed to get most of the sticky layer off. Might need 
To do a coupla goes. 

One of the pieces is cracked in a couple places. I’m wondering how best to fix 
it. Dan you used some sort of plastic welding thing on the bumper cover — what 
was that and how would it work on trim?

--R
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Re: [MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:38:48 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I finally got them by cutting a piece of 3 ft piece of 4 inch pvc pipe
> lengthwise and placing one end at their entry point, after laying a
> trail of diatomaceous earth [nice and thick] to put the pipe 1/2
> over... then throwing dirt over the entry point end at the building
> which forced arriving and departing bees to use the "poison entry
> tunnel" instead of just fly in, land, and enter the hive..

Great idea! Thank you for sharing!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I recall my uncle getting rid of a paper wasp nest (the kind that looks
like a big grey football) by using a shop vac. He set up the hose so it
was near the nest entrance. Every wasp that arrived or departed got
sucked into the shop vac. Not sure how long he had to let it run to get
them all. My shop vac is old and sort of marginal so I'm not sure the
motor would handle running for hours nonstop. And then you have to do
something with the canister full of live wasps.

Allan


G Mann via Mercedes  writes:

> Having some personal experience with trying to kill both fire ants and
> killer bees in underground hives, the use of insecticide does not penetrate
> deeply enough into the hive to get a kill... the hive may get "sick for a
> while" but they shake it off and continue...
>
> The diatomaceous earth works because it gets carried deep into the hive by
> every member coming through the entrance... or leaving...
> I've found killer bees [very active in AZ on the desert] are particularly
> hard to get dosed, they attack as soon as you "enter their space".  One
> challenge I had was a very active hive under an out building. I finally got
> them by cutting a piece of 3 ft piece of 4 inch pvc pipe lengthwise and
> placing one end at their entry point, after laying a trail of diatomaceous
> earth [nice and thick] to put the pipe 1/2 over... then throwing dirt over
> the entry point end at the building which forced arriving and departing
> bees to use the "poison entry tunnel" instead of just fly in, land, and
> enter the hive..
> I did this at night, and still got stung, even with protective clothing...
> End result... after about a week... the hive went inactive... I refreshed
> the "killer earth" and left it there, in case there were any
> survivors..finally able to close up the foundation and use the building
> again.
> As always when dealing with poison critters... use caution... your results
> may vary.
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:21 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe larva/eggs hatched ...
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 2:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Zombies? After hitting them with a dose of insecticide last weekend, I
>> > saw no activity until today, and now they are buzzing in and out
>> > again. New colony found the nest and moved in?
>> >
>> > Might try the diatomaceous earth this time. Figure I'll wait until night
>> > then pile it up over the entrance, forcing them to dig it out in the
>> > morning. That should get them well exposed to it.
>> >
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

More likely you didn't kill the brood, and they emerged a few days later.  Nest 
is probably basket-ball sized down there in the ground.
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Re: [MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Having some personal experience with trying to kill both fire ants and
killer bees in underground hives, the use of insecticide does not penetrate
deeply enough into the hive to get a kill... the hive may get "sick for a
while" but they shake it off and continue...

The diatomaceous earth works because it gets carried deep into the hive by
every member coming through the entrance... or leaving...
I've found killer bees [very active in AZ on the desert] are particularly
hard to get dosed, they attack as soon as you "enter their space".  One
challenge I had was a very active hive under an out building. I finally got
them by cutting a piece of 3 ft piece of 4 inch pvc pipe lengthwise and
placing one end at their entry point, after laying a trail of diatomaceous
earth [nice and thick] to put the pipe 1/2 over... then throwing dirt over
the entry point end at the building which forced arriving and departing
bees to use the "poison entry tunnel" instead of just fly in, land, and
enter the hive..
I did this at night, and still got stung, even with protective clothing...
End result... after about a week... the hive went inactive... I refreshed
the "killer earth" and left it there, in case there were any
survivors..finally able to close up the foundation and use the building
again.
As always when dealing with poison critters... use caution... your results
may vary.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:21 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Maybe larva/eggs hatched ...
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 2:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Zombies? After hitting them with a dose of insecticide last weekend, I
> > saw no activity until today, and now they are buzzing in and out
> > again. New colony found the nest and moved in?
> >
> > Might try the diatomaceous earth this time. Figure I'll wait until night
> > then pile it up over the entrance, forcing them to dig it out in the
> > morning. That should get them well exposed to it.
> >
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>
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
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Re: [MBZ] Substance-induced insanity 2004 Mercedes-Benz ML350 - $9, 950

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are quite a few out that way I’ve seen like that. Knew a bunch of people 
who farmed in that area. Old guard, no doubt.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like a very well-kept farm, note the flat weed-free gravel around
> the neat metal outbuildings, very tidy from what I can see. Unlike many
> farms I see around here.
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> And it’s in Roachdale, not far from where I used to live on the west
>> side. Quite rural out that way, not the sort of car I would expect in
>> that neighborhood.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here's one that's 7 years newer at a slightly lower ask. Though I don't
>>> understand the bath towels on the floor.
>>> 
>>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/roachdale-2011-mercedes-benz-ml350-all/7194643883.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 The SUV sellers charge a premium when under 100k miles.
 
 On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/summerville-2004-mercedes-benz-ml350/7194410362.html
> 
> --
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Maybe larva/eggs hatched ...

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 2:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Zombies? After hitting them with a dose of insecticide last weekend, I
> saw no activity until today, and now they are buzzing in and out
> again. New colony found the nest and moved in?
>
> Might try the diatomaceous earth this time. Figure I'll wait until night
> then pile it up over the entrance, forcing them to dig it out in the
> morning. That should get them well exposed to it.
>
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[MBZ] yellow jackets are back

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Zombies? After hitting them with a dose of insecticide last weekend, I
saw no activity until today, and now they are buzzing in and out
again. New colony found the nest and moved in?

Might try the diatomaceous earth this time. Figure I'll wait until night
then pile it up over the entrance, forcing them to dig it out in the
morning. That should get them well exposed to it.


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Re: [MBZ] Substance-induced insanity 2004 Mercedes-Benz ML350 - $9, 950

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks like a very well-kept farm, note the flat weed-free gravel around
the neat metal outbuildings, very tidy from what I can see. Unlike many
farms I see around here.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> And it’s in Roachdale, not far from where I used to live on the west
> side. Quite rural out that way, not the sort of car I would expect in
> that neighborhood.
>
> -D
>
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Here's one that's 7 years newer at a slightly lower ask. Though I don't
>> understand the bath towels on the floor.
>> 
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/roachdale-2011-mercedes-benz-ml350-all/7194643883.html
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> The SUV sellers charge a premium when under 100k miles.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
 https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/summerville-2004-mercedes-benz-ml350/7194410362.html
 
 --
 --FT
 

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Re: [MBZ] I Want to Look Away...

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Capital offense

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 10:37 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> that is nothing compared to this.  WARNING WARNING WARNING
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/746298179253341
>
> On 9/12/20 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > But I can’t.
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/236554731107857/ <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/236554731107857/>
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Substance-induced insanity 2004 Mercedes-Benz ML350 - $9, 950

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And it’s in Roachdale, not far from where I used to live on the west side. 
Quite rural out that way, not the sort of car I would expect in that 
neighborhood.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here's one that's 7 years newer at a slightly lower ask. Though I don't
> understand the bath towels on the floor.
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/roachdale-2011-mercedes-benz-ml350-all/7194643883.html
> 
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The SUV sellers charge a premium when under 100k miles.
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/summerville-2004-mercedes-benz-ml350/7194410362.html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> --FT
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Substance-induced insanity 2004 Mercedes-Benz ML350 - $9, 950

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Here's one that's 7 years newer at a slightly lower ask. Though I don't
understand the bath towels on the floor.

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/roachdale-2011-mercedes-benz-ml350-all/7194643883.html


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> The SUV sellers charge a premium when under 100k miles.
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/summerville-2004-mercedes-benz-ml350/7194410362.html
>>
>> --
>> --FT
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Yes it looks good in pictures but it's not that nice in person trust me

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Good sales pitch.  Must fight instinct to drool.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:12 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> 2001 Mercedes Benz CL500 w/ Lorinser Body Kit, 20" Rims
> $2,500
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2407018182933352/
>
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Re: [MBZ] Substance-induced insanity 2004 Mercedes-Benz ML350 - $9, 950

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The SUV sellers charge a premium when under 100k miles.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/summerville-2004-mercedes-benz-ml350/7194410362.html
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Hey, You Screwed Up -

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Later models had the 2.3l four banger, which was a really awful engine for a 
lot of reasons, mainly because they choked it with pollution control 
modifications. Remember, this was in the early part of the addition of 
pollution controls. 1974 was probably the peak of kludges, add-ons, timing 
tweaks, etc., until they could actually design and test systems for production 
vehicles.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Years ago when I was a kid, my parents had a 1972 Pinto wagon with the 2.0l 
> SOHC engine with an automatic transmission. S.L.O.W!!! I don’t think my Dad 
> ever messed with the carb though he was a pretty good mechanic. He bought it 
> with a crashed front end, installed the sheet metal and radiator off another 
> car, and with $350 spent on both cars, she was operational once again.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
> 2019 Sprinter 12 passenger 144WB 1600mi, Low Mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard, no news 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The Pintos were varied based on what mill they had. The early models, like 
>> mine, had a 2000cc OHC 4 cylinder that was also used in the Capris, and was 
>> very popular in that community. It was a wicked little engine that was 
>> constrained by the Holley 5200 Ford put on it. For whatever reason, no doubt 
>> pollution controls, which were very crude at that time, the linkage on the 
>> carb was set up so the second barrel would never open beyond about 25% or 
>> so. As soon as I figured this out I remedied the situation so I got both 
>> barrels, full operation. That made it a totally different car.
>> 
>> The story about dropping the head bolt driver came from when I had pulled 
>> the head and ported and polished the intake and head. I read a couple of 
>> books on how to do it, got the necessary die grinder bits and went at it 
>> after hours in the shop where I worked. This resulted in some additional 
>> performance, although I don't recall it being a great deal.
>> 
>> By today’s standards it would have been pretty inadequate, but at the time 
>> it was a good car. The fuel tank thing was just a design flaw that should 
>> have never happened. The remedy was nothing more than a plastic shield 
>> placed between the tank and the undercarriage of the car.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A former coworker told me a tale of his friend who had a Pinto that was 
>>> absolute garbage, could barely get out of its own way. So he decides to 
>>> take it to the junkyard and just for a laugh drives it the 5 or 6 miles 
>>> there in second gear with the engine just wailing and trailing a billowing 
>>> cloud of smoke. Apparently when he's nearly there he relents and shifts up 
>>> and is amazed to find the engine very peppy.I don't remember if the story 
>>> included the tale of the little old lady that owned it first and got it all 
>>> carboned up but the punchline was that the drive had burned all the carbon 
>>> out of the engine and the guy ended up keeping it several more years.
>>> My parents owned both a Pinto and a Vega at the same time. Some guy hit the 
>>> rock wall by my parent's house and sent a rock into the door of the Pinto 
>>> which "totaled it". I put that in quotes because the car was so terrible 
>>> I'd have called it totaled long before. "Check the gas and fill the oil" 
>>> comes to mind.
>>> Anyway with the insurance money my parents bought a Mercury Lynx wagon 
>>> which was a rebadged Escort. This was about the time I started to realize 
>>> (at 8 years old no less) that my father had no taste in cars. His '91 Ford 
>>> Tempo with a 3spd automatic was the closer.
>>> Other than his current Jeep Renegade my dad knows how to pick loser cars 
>>> like nobody else...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 11:37:56 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> My buddy's dad bought him something like a 75 or 76 Vega wagon to drive 
>>> in college after his Beetle kakked.  Might have been 74, too long ago to 
>>> remember. Red/black, 4spd cheap stripper, it actually looked pretty nice 
>>> though.  He thrashed that thing unmercifully and I think the engine blew 
>>> up or started blowing oil after like 20k miles which apparently was the 
>>> main issue with them unless they rusted out first.
>>> 
>>> My boss when I worked at the airport summers in college had a yellow 
>>> Pinto wagon or hatchback or whatever it was, black interior, 4spd.  He 
>>> let me drive it once to go on some errand or delivery or something.  It 
>>> was quite peppy and handled well, you could see out of the big windows 
>>> well too.  I kinda liked it, it was "sportier" than the big merkin iron 
>>> I was used to driving.
>>> 
>>> Another summer I was working for another place, a guy drives up on the 
>>> ramp (back when you could do that sort of thi

Re: [MBZ] Hey, You Screwed Up -

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Years ago when I was a kid, my parents had a 1972 Pinto wagon with the 2.0l 
SOHC engine with an automatic transmission. S.L.O.W!!! I don’t think my Dad 
ever messed with the carb though he was a pretty good mechanic. He bought it 
with a crashed front end, installed the sheet metal and radiator off another 
car, and with $350 spent on both cars, she was operational once again.
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
2019 Sprinter 12 passenger 144WB 1600mi, Low Mileage Lutgard
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard, no news 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The Pintos were varied based on what mill they had. The early models, like 
> mine, had a 2000cc OHC 4 cylinder that was also used in the Capris, and was 
> very popular in that community. It was a wicked little engine that was 
> constrained by the Holley 5200 Ford put on it. For whatever reason, no doubt 
> pollution controls, which were very crude at that time, the linkage on the 
> carb was set up so the second barrel would never open beyond about 25% or so. 
> As soon as I figured this out I remedied the situation so I got both barrels, 
> full operation. That made it a totally different car.
> 
> The story about dropping the head bolt driver came from when I had pulled the 
> head and ported and polished the intake and head. I read a couple of books on 
> how to do it, got the necessary die grinder bits and went at it after hours 
> in the shop where I worked. This resulted in some additional performance, 
> although I don't recall it being a great deal.
> 
> By today’s standards it would have been pretty inadequate, but at the time it 
> was a good car. The fuel tank thing was just a design flaw that should have 
> never happened. The remedy was nothing more than a plastic shield placed 
> between the tank and the undercarriage of the car.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A former coworker told me a tale of his friend who had a Pinto that was 
>> absolute garbage, could barely get out of its own way. So he decides to take 
>> it to the junkyard and just for a laugh drives it the 5 or 6 miles there in 
>> second gear with the engine just wailing and trailing a billowing cloud of 
>> smoke. Apparently when he's nearly there he relents and shifts up and is 
>> amazed to find the engine very peppy.I don't remember if the story included 
>> the tale of the little old lady that owned it first and got it all carboned 
>> up but the punchline was that the drive had burned all the carbon out of the 
>> engine and the guy ended up keeping it several more years.
>> My parents owned both a Pinto and a Vega at the same time. Some guy hit the 
>> rock wall by my parent's house and sent a rock into the door of the Pinto 
>> which "totaled it". I put that in quotes because the car was so terrible I'd 
>> have called it totaled long before. "Check the gas and fill the oil" comes 
>> to mind.
>> Anyway with the insurance money my parents bought a Mercury Lynx wagon which 
>> was a rebadged Escort. This was about the time I started to realize (at 8 
>> years old no less) that my father had no taste in cars. His '91 Ford Tempo 
>> with a 3spd automatic was the closer.
>> Other than his current Jeep Renegade my dad knows how to pick loser cars 
>> like nobody else...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 11:37:56 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:  
>> 
>> My buddy's dad bought him something like a 75 or 76 Vega wagon to drive 
>> in college after his Beetle kakked.  Might have been 74, too long ago to 
>> remember. Red/black, 4spd cheap stripper, it actually looked pretty nice 
>> though.  He thrashed that thing unmercifully and I think the engine blew 
>> up or started blowing oil after like 20k miles which apparently was the 
>> main issue with them unless they rusted out first.
>> 
>> My boss when I worked at the airport summers in college had a yellow 
>> Pinto wagon or hatchback or whatever it was, black interior, 4spd.  He 
>> let me drive it once to go on some errand or delivery or something.  It 
>> was quite peppy and handled well, you could see out of the big windows 
>> well too.  I kinda liked it, it was "sportier" than the big merkin iron 
>> I was used to driving.
>> 
>> Another summer I was working for another place, a guy drives up on the 
>> ramp (back when you could do that sort of thing) early one Sunday 
>> morning in his MGB GT, BRG/black, and asks me to get his airplane out of 
>> the hangar.  OK fine.  So I get the plane out after some jockeying other 
>> planes around, he hands me the keys to the car and says, "Go drive it 
>> around if you want."  Oh yeah.  So I spent the next hour or so racing 
>> around the ramp and the old taxiway that went by our hangar.  Now THAT 
>> was sporty!  He comes back after awhile, I fueled the plane and put it 
>> away, give him the keys back.  H asked me how I enjoyed the car and we 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Hey, You Screwed Up -

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The Pintos were varied based on what mill they had. The early models, like 
mine, had a 2000cc OHC 4 cylinder that was also used in the Capris, and was 
very popular in that community. It was a wicked little engine that was 
constrained by the Holley 5200 Ford put on it. For whatever reason, no doubt 
pollution controls, which were very crude at that time, the linkage on the carb 
was set up so the second barrel would never open beyond about 25% or so. As 
soon as I figured this out I remedied the situation so I got both barrels, full 
operation. That made it a totally different car.

The story about dropping the head bolt driver came from when I had pulled the 
head and ported and polished the intake and head. I read a couple of books on 
how to do it, got the necessary die grinder bits and went at it after hours in 
the shop where I worked. This resulted in some additional performance, although 
I don't recall it being a great deal.

By today’s standards it would have been pretty inadequate, but at the time it 
was a good car. The fuel tank thing was just a design flaw that should have 
never happened. The remedy was nothing more than a plastic shield placed 
between the tank and the undercarriage of the car.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A former coworker told me a tale of his friend who had a Pinto that was 
> absolute garbage, could barely get out of its own way. So he decides to take 
> it to the junkyard and just for a laugh drives it the 5 or 6 miles there in 
> second gear with the engine just wailing and trailing a billowing cloud of 
> smoke. Apparently when he's nearly there he relents and shifts up and is 
> amazed to find the engine very peppy.I don't remember if the story included 
> the tale of the little old lady that owned it first and got it all carboned 
> up but the punchline was that the drive had burned all the carbon out of the 
> engine and the guy ended up keeping it several more years.
> My parents owned both a Pinto and a Vega at the same time. Some guy hit the 
> rock wall by my parent's house and sent a rock into the door of the Pinto 
> which "totaled it". I put that in quotes because the car was so terrible I'd 
> have called it totaled long before. "Check the gas and fill the oil" comes to 
> mind.
> Anyway with the insurance money my parents bought a Mercury Lynx wagon which 
> was a rebadged Escort. This was about the time I started to realize (at 8 
> years old no less) that my father had no taste in cars. His '91 Ford Tempo 
> with a 3spd automatic was the closer.
> Other than his current Jeep Renegade my dad knows how to pick loser cars like 
> nobody else...
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 11:37:56 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> My buddy's dad bought him something like a 75 or 76 Vega wagon to drive 
> in college after his Beetle kakked.  Might have been 74, too long ago to 
> remember. Red/black, 4spd cheap stripper, it actually looked pretty nice 
> though.  He thrashed that thing unmercifully and I think the engine blew 
> up or started blowing oil after like 20k miles which apparently was the 
> main issue with them unless they rusted out first.
> 
> My boss when I worked at the airport summers in college had a yellow 
> Pinto wagon or hatchback or whatever it was, black interior, 4spd.  He 
> let me drive it once to go on some errand or delivery or something.  It 
> was quite peppy and handled well, you could see out of the big windows 
> well too.  I kinda liked it, it was "sportier" than the big merkin iron 
> I was used to driving.
> 
> Another summer I was working for another place, a guy drives up on the 
> ramp (back when you could do that sort of thing) early one Sunday 
> morning in his MGB GT, BRG/black, and asks me to get his airplane out of 
> the hangar.  OK fine.  So I get the plane out after some jockeying other 
> planes around, he hands me the keys to the car and says, "Go drive it 
> around if you want."  Oh yeah.  So I spent the next hour or so racing 
> around the ramp and the old taxiway that went by our hangar.  Now THAT 
> was sporty!  He comes back after awhile, I fueled the plane and put it 
> away, give him the keys back.  H asked me how I enjoyed the car and we 
> chatted a bit about it, really nice guy.  I think he really got a charge 
> out of letting me drive his car.  I can't remember who he was, a rich 
> guy with toys I guess, just liked to have fun with them.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 9/11/20 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>> The drive train on the Pinto was excellent.  Body was, well, 70's whacko 
>> styling and poorly made.  If the fashion of copying Japanese styling had 
>> been then instead of now, Ford might have made a decent car.
>> 
>> Ugly styling, with uncomfortable seating and deadly gas tank (saved money by 
>> leaving the originally designed shield out!) but mechanically quite good.
>> ___

Re: [MBZ] Hey, You Screwed Up -

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A former coworker told me a tale of his friend who had a Pinto that was 
absolute garbage, could barely get out of its own way. So he decides to take it 
to the junkyard and just for a laugh drives it the 5 or 6 miles there in second 
gear with the engine just wailing and trailing a billowing cloud of smoke. 
Apparently when he's nearly there he relents and shifts up and is amazed to 
find the engine very peppy.I don't remember if the story included the tale of 
the little old lady that owned it first and got it all carboned up but the 
punchline was that the drive had burned all the carbon out of the engine and 
the guy ended up keeping it several more years.
My parents owned both a Pinto and a Vega at the same time. Some guy hit the 
rock wall by my parent's house and sent a rock into the door of the Pinto which 
"totaled it". I put that in quotes because the car was so terrible I'd have 
called it totaled long before. "Check the gas and fill the oil" comes to mind.
Anyway with the insurance money my parents bought a Mercury Lynx wagon which 
was a rebadged Escort. This was about the time I started to realize (at 8 years 
old no less) that my father had no taste in cars. His '91 Ford Tempo with a 
3spd automatic was the closer.
Other than his current Jeep Renegade my dad knows how to pick loser cars like 
nobody else...
-Curt

On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 11:37:56 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via 
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 My buddy's dad bought him something like a 75 or 76 Vega wagon to drive 
in college after his Beetle kakked.  Might have been 74, too long ago to 
remember. Red/black, 4spd cheap stripper, it actually looked pretty nice 
though.  He thrashed that thing unmercifully and I think the engine blew 
up or started blowing oil after like 20k miles which apparently was the 
main issue with them unless they rusted out first.

My boss when I worked at the airport summers in college had a yellow 
Pinto wagon or hatchback or whatever it was, black interior, 4spd.  He 
let me drive it once to go on some errand or delivery or something.  It 
was quite peppy and handled well, you could see out of the big windows 
well too.  I kinda liked it, it was "sportier" than the big merkin iron 
I was used to driving.

Another summer I was working for another place, a guy drives up on the 
ramp (back when you could do that sort of thing) early one Sunday 
morning in his MGB GT, BRG/black, and asks me to get his airplane out of 
the hangar.  OK fine.  So I get the plane out after some jockeying other 
planes around, he hands me the keys to the car and says, "Go drive it 
around if you want."  Oh yeah.  So I spent the next hour or so racing 
around the ramp and the old taxiway that went by our hangar.  Now THAT 
was sporty!  He comes back after awhile, I fueled the plane and put it 
away, give him the keys back.  H asked me how I enjoyed the car and we 
chatted a bit about it, really nice guy.  I think he really got a charge 
out of letting me drive his car.  I can't remember who he was, a rich 
guy with toys I guess, just liked to have fun with them.

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On 9/11/20 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> The drive train on the Pinto was excellent.  Body was, well, 70's whacko 
> styling and poorly made.  If the fashion of copying Japanese styling had been 
> then instead of now, Ford might have made a decent car.
>
> Ugly styling, with uncomfortable seating and deadly gas tank (saved money by 
> leaving the originally designed shield out!) but mechanically quite good.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey, You Screwed Up -

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My buddy's dad bought him something like a 75 or 76 Vega wagon to drive 
in college after his Beetle kakked.  Might have been 74, too long ago to 
remember. Red/black, 4spd cheap stripper, it actually looked pretty nice 
though.  He thrashed that thing unmercifully and I think the engine blew 
up or started blowing oil after like 20k miles which apparently was the 
main issue with them unless they rusted out first.


My boss when I worked at the airport summers in college had a yellow 
Pinto wagon or hatchback or whatever it was, black interior, 4spd.  He 
let me drive it once to go on some errand or delivery or something.  It 
was quite peppy and handled well, you could see out of the big windows 
well too.  I kinda liked it, it was "sportier" than the big merkin iron 
I was used to driving.


Another summer I was working for another place, a guy drives up on the 
ramp (back when you could do that sort of thing) early one Sunday 
morning in his MGB GT, BRG/black, and asks me to get his airplane out of 
the hangar.  OK fine.  So I get the plane out after some jockeying other 
planes around, he hands me the keys to the car and says, "Go drive it 
around if you want."  Oh yeah.  So I spent the next hour or so racing 
around the ramp and the old taxiway that went by our hangar.  Now THAT 
was sporty!  He comes back after awhile, I fueled the plane and put it 
away, give him the keys back.  H asked me how I enjoyed the car and we 
chatted a bit about it, really nice guy.  I think he really got a charge 
out of letting me drive his car.  I can't remember who he was, a rich 
guy with toys I guess, just liked to have fun with them.


--FT

On 9/11/20 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

The drive train on the Pinto was excellent.   Body was, well, 70's whacko 
styling and poorly made.  If the fashion of copying Japanese styling had been 
then instead of now, Ford might have made a decent car.

Ugly styling, with uncomfortable seating and deadly gas tank (saved money by 
leaving the originally designed shield out!) but mechanically quite good.
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Re: [MBZ] I Want to Look Away...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Someone wants the rear tires and wheels for their lawn tractor back.

-D

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> that is nothing compared to this.  WARNING WARNING WARNING
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/746298179253341
> 
> On 9/12/20 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> But I can’t.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/236554731107857/ 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Just a Shell of it's Former Self

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The autocross boys should be all over that

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On 9/12/20 10:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3520225928021536/ 


-D
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Re: [MBZ] I Want to Look Away...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

that is nothing compared to this.  WARNING WARNING WARNING

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/746298179253341

On 9/12/20 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

But I can’t.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/236554731107857/ 


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[MBZ] glass in the car is thicker than I’ve seen in “normal” cars so may possibly have some bulletproofing

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

95 Mercedes S Class
$600



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[MBZ] I Want to Look Away...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

But I can’t.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/236554731107857/ 


-D
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[MBZ] It's Just a Shell of it's Former Self

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3520225928021536/ 


-D
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[MBZ] Yes it looks good in pictures but it's not that nice in person trust me

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

2001 Mercedes Benz CL500 w/ Lorinser Body Kit, 20" Rims
$2,500
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2407018182933352/

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[MBZ] 2008 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 4MATIC 4dr 5.5L,$3,999

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It actually looks half decent, and the UCD looks to be either stupid or 
honest showing the codes the vehicle is throwing.  Could be a good deal 
though depending on the ABS. ESP issues


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[MBZ] Substance-induced insanity 2004 Mercedes-Benz ML350 - $9, 950

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https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/summerville-2004-mercedes-benz-ml350/7194410362.html

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