Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Nice. That makes things sooo much easier to maintain.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes it does have the 009 distributor with electronic ignition, no points. 
> Part of the engine upgrades that were done in 2005.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021, at 9:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement on 
>> any of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% 
>> centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, 
>> too.
>> 
>> Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 
>> 40+ years...
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well running much better now.
>>> 
>>> I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle 
>>> mixture screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
>>> 
>>> I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went 
>>> up, so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a 
>>> "flat" spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems 
>>> even better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it 
>>> advances to a little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old 
>>> timing light doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing 
>>> marks appear to be jumping around some.
>>> 
>>> Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring 
>>> on this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" 
>>> car mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. 
>>> Probably will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while 
>>> just for good measure.
>>> 
>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes it does have the 009 distributor with electronic ignition, no points. Part 
of the engine upgrades that were done in 2005.

Allan

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021, at 9:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement on 
> any of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% 
> centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, 
> too.
> 
> Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 
> 40+ years...
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well running much better now.
> > 
> > I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle 
> > mixture screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
> > 
> > I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went 
> > up, so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a 
> > "flat" spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems 
> > even better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it 
> > advances to a little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old 
> > timing light doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing 
> > marks appear to be jumping around some.
> > 
> > Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring 
> > on this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" 
> > car mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. 
> > Probably will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while 
> > just for good measure.
> > 
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Vacuum advance on the distributor? A really easy performance enhancement on any 
of these engines is to go with a Bosch “009” distributor, which is 100% 
centrifugal advance. Much better curve and you eliminate the vacuum stuff, too.

Dang, I can’t believe how much of this is starting to come back to me after 40+ 
years...

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well running much better now.
> 
> I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle mixture 
> screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.
> 
> I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went up, 
> so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a "flat" 
> spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems even 
> better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it advances to a 
> little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old timing light 
> doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing marks appear 
> to be jumping around some.
> 
> Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring on 
> this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" car 
> mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. Probably 
> will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while just for 
> good measure.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Well running much better now.

I went through the carb balancing routine again, and setting the idle mixture 
screws. Got a good idle at 800rpm. Not quite sure what spec is.

I advanced the timing from 5 degrees BTDC at idle to 7.5. Idle speed went up, 
so I adjusted it the idle back down and drove it. Better but still a "flat" 
spot in the throttle. Advanced again to 10 degrees BTDC and it seems even 
better. Still not perfect but it is drivable. At higher RPM it advances to a 
little over 30 degrees; hard to tell exactly because my old timing light 
doesn't seem to fire as accurately at that speed so the timing marks appear to 
be jumping around some.

Not sure how far I can safely advance it. I have no temperature monitoring on 
this engine. I don't mind running premium gas as it's just a "for fun" car 
mostly, though it has about 4 gallons of 87 in the tank right now. Probably 
will pick up some Seafoam and run it in the gas for a little while just for 
good measure.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Just don’t try to go to B on Saturday…

Canal Street can be cool, as is the diamond district. Just a cool place to see 
the people and surrounds.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess it depends what kind of experience you want to get.  The tourist
> stuff is all there and well known.  Going to the top of building is cool,
> but once you go up one you've seen them all.
> 
> You can really absorb so much of the city by just walking around, sitting
> outside and eating a meal, and visiting some museums.  Goto a show or
> something.  Visit B photo.  All stuff new yorkers do.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 7:39 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just a quick check of some of these observation deck at the top of these
>> building, some of them seem pricey.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Best time of year to see NYC is late January or early Feb, if you don't
>>> mind the snow.  I remember Janet and I were walking around one cold night
>>> (back when she lived there before we were married) and we walked by
>>> Rockefeller plaza.  Some guy at the door was announcing there was no line
>>> and no wait to goto the top of the building, so we went.  Walked right
>> into
>>> the elevator and up to the top.  Cool experience without any tourists.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 6:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 It could be the times or it could be the kind of idiots you get in those
 groups.
 I think the best time to see Times Square is about 6am. Get coffee from
>> a
 cart and just sit around and watch. Better around Christmas...
 Curt
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I’m in a Fakebook Hilton group and
>> asked
 about places to stay and most locals say to avoid the Times Square area
 especially after dark as there is a lot of crime there right now. So
>> hell I
 don’t know. Some of them also say that the millennium Hilton is a dump.
>> I
 will just pick something and can ride the subway up there during the
>> day if
 need be.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond 
>> wrote:
> 
> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in
 Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> 
> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which
 puts you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to
>> the
 north and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday
 Inn express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too
 badly when you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night
 but that was a week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go
>> walk
 the Highline, I bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> 
> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there.
 It's not a bad airport though.
> 
> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it
 was. It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards.
>> Stick
 to the touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to
 the WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would
>> it
 take to take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge
>> area?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2
 tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until
>> Monday so
 I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy
>> tickets
 for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this
>> case
 was LGA.
>> 
>> I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday,
 and will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly
 relocate to a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look
 at? Perhap Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any
 ferries that go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure
>> the
 wife and kid will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit
>> at
 hotel. After I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably
>> just
 take a cab to and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around.
>> If
 we do relocate hotels Friday, will probably have 

Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I guess it depends what kind of experience you want to get.  The tourist
stuff is all there and well known.  Going to the top of building is cool,
but once you go up one you've seen them all.

You can really absorb so much of the city by just walking around, sitting
outside and eating a meal, and visiting some museums.  Goto a show or
something.  Visit B photo.  All stuff new yorkers do.

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 7:39 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just a quick check of some of these observation deck at the top of these
> building, some of them seem pricey.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Best time of year to see NYC is late January or early Feb, if you don't
> > mind the snow.  I remember Janet and I were walking around one cold night
> > (back when she lived there before we were married) and we walked by
> > Rockefeller plaza.  Some guy at the door was announcing there was no line
> > and no wait to goto the top of the building, so we went.  Walked right
> into
> > the elevator and up to the top.  Cool experience without any tourists.
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 6:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It could be the times or it could be the kind of idiots you get in those
> >> groups.
> >> I think the best time to see Times Square is about 6am. Get coffee from
> a
> >> cart and just sit around and watch. Better around Christmas...
> >> Curt
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >>  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I’m in a Fakebook Hilton group and
> asked
> >> about places to stay and most locals say to avoid the Times Square area
> >> especially after dark as there is a lot of crime there right now. So
> hell I
> >> don’t know. Some of them also say that the millennium Hilton is a dump.
> I
> >> will just pick something and can ride the subway up there during the
> day if
> >> need be.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in
> >> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> >>>
> >>> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which
> >> puts you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to
> the
> >> north and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday
> >> Inn express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too
> >> badly when you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night
> >> but that was a week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go
> walk
> >> the Highline, I bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> >>>
> >>> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there.
> >> It's not a bad airport though.
> >>>
> >>> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it
> >> was. It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards.
> Stick
> >> to the touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Curt
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to
> >> the WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would
> it
> >> take to take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge
> area?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin 
> wrote:
> 
>  Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2
> >> tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until
> Monday so
> >> I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy
> tickets
> >> for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this
> case
> >> was LGA.
> 
>  I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday,
> >> and will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly
> >> relocate to a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look
> >> at? Perhap Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any
> >> ferries that go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure
> the
> >> wife and kid will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit
> at
> >> hotel. After I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably
> just
> >> take a cab to and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around.
> If
> >> we do relocate hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags
> to
> >> the new place while I’m at work.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Just a quick check of some of these observation deck at the top of these 
building, some of them seem pricey. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Best time of year to see NYC is late January or early Feb, if you don't
> mind the snow.  I remember Janet and I were walking around one cold night
> (back when she lived there before we were married) and we walked by
> Rockefeller plaza.  Some guy at the door was announcing there was no line
> and no wait to goto the top of the building, so we went.  Walked right into
> the elevator and up to the top.  Cool experience without any tourists.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 6:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It could be the times or it could be the kind of idiots you get in those
>> groups.
>> I think the best time to see Times Square is about 6am. Get coffee from a
>> cart and just sit around and watch. Better around Christmas...
>> Curt
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I’m in a Fakebook Hilton group and asked
>> about places to stay and most locals say to avoid the Times Square area
>> especially after dark as there is a lot of crime there right now. So hell I
>> don’t know. Some of them also say that the millennium Hilton is a dump. I
>> will just pick something and can ride the subway up there during the day if
>> need be.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in
>> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
>>> 
>>> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which
>> puts you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the
>> north and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday
>> Inn express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too
>> badly when you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night
>> but that was a week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk
>> the Highline, I bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
>>> 
>>> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there.
>> It's not a bad airport though.
>>> 
>>> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it
>> was. It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick
>> to the touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Curt
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to
>> the WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it
>> take to take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
 
 Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2
>> tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so
>> I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets
>> for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case
>> was LGA.
 
 I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday,
>> and will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly
>> relocate to a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look
>> at? Perhap Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any
>> ferries that go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the
>> wife and kid will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at
>> hotel. After I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just
>> take a cab to and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If
>> we do relocate hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to
>> the new place while I’m at work.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Best time of year to see NYC is late January or early Feb, if you don't
mind the snow.  I remember Janet and I were walking around one cold night
(back when she lived there before we were married) and we walked by
Rockefeller plaza.  Some guy at the door was announcing there was no line
and no wait to goto the top of the building, so we went.  Walked right into
the elevator and up to the top.  Cool experience without any tourists.


On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 6:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It could be the times or it could be the kind of idiots you get in those
> groups.
> I think the best time to see Times Square is about 6am. Get coffee from a
> cart and just sit around and watch. Better around Christmas...
> Curt
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I’m in a Fakebook Hilton group and asked
> about places to stay and most locals say to avoid the Times Square area
> especially after dark as there is a lot of crime there right now. So hell I
> don’t know. Some of them also say that the millennium Hilton is a dump. I
> will just pick something and can ride the subway up there during the day if
> need be.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in
> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> >
> > I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which
> puts you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the
> north and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday
> Inn express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too
> badly when you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night
> but that was a week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk
> the Highline, I bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> >
> > LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there.
> It's not a bad airport though.
> >
> > To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it
> was. It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick
> to the touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> >
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to
> the WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it
> take to take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > >
> > > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2
> tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so
> I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets
> for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case
> was LGA.
> > >
> > > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday,
> and will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly
> relocate to a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look
> at? Perhap Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any
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> hotel. After I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just
> take a cab to and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If
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> the new place while I’m at work.
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

It cleaned up a lot from 30 yrs ago but has gone down hill precipitously since 
10 years ago. Garbage everywhere etc. The leadership changed. Need I say more?

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> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in 
> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which puts 
> you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the north 
> and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday Inn 
> express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too badly when 
> you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night but that was a 
> week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk the Highline, I 
> bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> 
> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there. It's 
> not a bad airport though.
> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it was. 
> It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick to the 
> touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes wrote:   For my weekend I’m thinking about 
> moving to the Hilton that is close to the WTC/ground zero area. Got to 
> thinking, how expensive and how would it take to take a cab/Uber from here to 
> the dealership in the Bay Ridge area? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2 tickets 
>> out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so I can 
>> enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets for the 
>> wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case was LGA.
>> 
>> I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday, and will 
>> book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly relocate to a 
>> different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look at? Perhap 
>> Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any ferries that go 
>> across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the wife and kid 
>> will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at hotel. After 
>> I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just take a cab to 
>> and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If we do relocate 
>> hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to the new place 
>> while I’m at work. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well it is fakebook, so…

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> On Aug 10, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> It could be the times or it could be the kind of idiots you get in those 
> groups.
> 
> I think the best time to see Times Square is about 6am. Get coffee from a 
> cart and just sit around and watch. Better around Christmas...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> I’m in a Fakebook Hilton group and asked about places to stay and most locals 
> say to avoid the Times Square area especially after dark as there is a lot of 
> crime there right now. So hell I don’t know. Some of them also say that the 
> millennium Hilton is a dump. I will just pick something and can ride the 
> subway up there during the day if need be. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> > 
> > Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in 
> > Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> > 
> > I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which puts 
> > you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the north 
> > and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday Inn 
> > express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too badly 
> > when you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night but that 
> > was a week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk the 
> > Highline, I bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> > 
> > LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there. It's 
> > not a bad airport though.
> > 
> > To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it was. 
> > It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick to 
> > the touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> > 
> > 
> > Curt
> > 
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to the 
> > WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it take 
> > to take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area? 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2 
> > > tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday 
> > > so I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy 
> > > tickets for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in 
> > > this case was LGA.
> > > 
> > > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday, and 
> > > will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly relocate 
> > > to a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look at? 
> > > Perhap Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any 
> > > ferries that go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure 
> > > the wife and kid will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just 
> > > sit at hotel. After I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. 
> > > Probably just take a cab to and from airport so we don’t have to haul 
> > > luggage around. If we do relocate hotels Friday, will probably have the 
> > > wife haul the bags to the new place while I’m at work. 
> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It could be the times or it could be the kind of idiots you get in those groups.
I think the best time to see Times Square is about 6am. Get coffee from a cart 
and just sit around and watch. Better around Christmas...
Curt
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Mercedes wrote:   I’m in a Fakebook Hilton group and 
asked about places to stay and most locals say to avoid the Times Square area 
especially after dark as there is a lot of crime there right now. So hell I 
don’t know. Some of them also say that the millennium Hilton is a dump. I will 
just pick something and can ride the subway up there during the day if need be. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in 
> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> 
> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which puts 
> you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the north 
> and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday Inn 
> express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too badly when 
> you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night but that was a 
> week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk the Highline, I 
> bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> 
> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there. It's 
> not a bad airport though.
> 
> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it was. 
> It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick to the 
> touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to the 
> WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it take to 
> take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > 
> > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2 
> > tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so 
> > I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets 
> > for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case 
> > was LGA.
> > 
> > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday, and 
> > will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly relocate to 
> > a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look at? Perhap 
> > Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any ferries that 
> > go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the wife and kid 
> > will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at hotel. After 
> > I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just take a cab to 
> > and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If we do relocate 
> > hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to the new place 
> > while I’m at work. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I spent 2 weeks in Manhattan teaching at HBO a couple years ago. Ran the 
Highline every couple days.

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Curt's recommendation of walking the 
high line (in Manhattan) is a good one.  Stop in at Chelsea market for an 
overpriced fancy foo foo lunch while you are there.

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Re: [MBZ] Family Truckster rebadged as an '85 Olds

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

By '85 the problems with the diesel were worked out and it was a good engine. 
I'd love to find a 1/2 ton pickup with a late 350 diesel.

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   GM was climbing up from its low point 
by '85, but still had a long way to go.

At least it's not a diesel.


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> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
>Mercedes wrote:  With a dodgy service history.  Makes 
>up in size what it lacks in charisma.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m in a Fakebook Hilton group and asked about places to stay and most locals 
say to avoid the Times Square area especially after dark as there is a lot of 
crime there right now. So hell I don’t know. Some of them also say that the 
millennium Hilton is a dump. I will just pick something and can ride the subway 
up there during the day if need be. 

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> On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in 
> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> 
> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which puts 
> you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the north 
> and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday Inn 
> express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too badly when 
> you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night but that was a 
> week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk the Highline, I 
> bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> 
> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there. It's 
> not a bad airport though.
> 
> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it was. 
> It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick to the 
> touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to the 
> WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it take to 
> take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > 
> > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2 
> > tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so 
> > I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets 
> > for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case 
> > was LGA.
> > 
> > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday, and 
> > will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly relocate to 
> > a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look at? Perhap 
> > Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any ferries that 
> > go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the wife and kid 
> > will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at hotel. After 
> > I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just take a cab to 
> > and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If we do relocate 
> > hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to the new place 
> > while I’m at work. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

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Curt's recommendation of walking the high line (in Manhattan) is a good one.  
Stop in at Chelsea market for an overpriced fancy foo foo lunch while you are 
there.

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[MBZ] I deleted DPF and after that light go ON/OFF no any trouble codes - 2011 Sprinter

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Could be a camper conversion if you live somewhere without emissions testing.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/darien-2011-mercedes-sprinter-2500/7363459038.html

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Re: [MBZ] Family Truckster rebadged as an '85 Olds

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GM was climbing up from its low point by '85, but still had a long way to go.

At least it's not a diesel.


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> 
> Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Family Truckster rebadged as an '85 Olds

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If you think you hate it now, wait until you drive it!

Curt

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up in size what it lacks in charisma.

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Re: [MBZ] Gazelle - Ford platform - $15,000

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Where I'm from he would be Quebecoise.

Curt

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> Totally German then
>
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>
> On 8/10/21 1:32 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > This fiberglass poser car looks like a fat man in a speedo.
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Re: [MBZ] So You Want a V12?

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Seems like the Deal of the Century or even millennium.

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> Nope. Order one based on the VIN and you’re good. The original one is
> probably fine, it just needs to be re-paired with the EIS system in the car.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Or is the key irreplaceable??
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 9:37 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Oh man yer killin me here. Go look at it for me!  Should be able to get
> >> sorted with the fancy computer
> >>
> >> --Fat
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> >>> On Aug 9, 2021, at 8:53 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here’s one that’s newer than the Jag coupe:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7363278936.html
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[MBZ] Family Truckster rebadged as an '85 Olds

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With a dodgy service history.  Makes up in size what it lacks in charisma.

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Re: [MBZ] So You Want a V12?

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Nope. Order one based on the VIN and you’re good. The original one is probably 
fine, it just needs to be re-paired with the EIS system in the car.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Or is the key irreplaceable??
> 
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 9:37 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Oh man yer killin me here. Go look at it for me!  Should be able to get
>> sorted with the fancy computer
>> 
>> --Fat
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s one that’s newer than the Jag coupe:
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7363278936.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] So You Want a V12?

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Or is the key irreplaceable??

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> Oh man yer killin me here. Go look at it for me!  Should be able to get
> sorted with the fancy computer
>
> --Fat
> Sent from iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here’s one that’s newer than the Jag coupe:
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7363278936.html
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Re: [MBZ] NOTE: The price shown is the current high bid for this car and not the final price! 1967 Mercedes-Benz W110 230 "Fin Tail" Auction - $800

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How sad that the hood star is missing.

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>
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Also, look for :
 The *Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society* was a group
of several dozen women and a few men that had, since August 17, 2011,[1]

organized regular gatherings around New York City
, meeting to read and discuss
books in public while topless.[2]

[3]

The primary objective of the group, besides enjoying the sun and book
reading, was to create awareness that New York law allows toplessness
 in public, and to change social
attitudes to the exposure of women's breasts. The group's blog had reported
that there had been no harassment of the participants by the police
, and very
rarely by the public.

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 10:37 AM OK Don  wrote:

> I don't remember where they are relative to anything else, but with the
> subway it really doesn't matter much - see the Museum of Natural History,
> the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Guggenhiem, Central Park North for the
> gardens, Zabar's, ride the Staten Island Ferry (it was free).
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:07 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>  Thats a pretty okay hotel. It's an easy walk to 30 Rock and the Empire
>> State building. A longish walk to Times Square, pretty far to the 911
>> memorial.
>> There is a diner between there and the Empire State that I used to go to.
>> Old school, big menu, good food, small money. I can't find it on Google
>> Maps, it's been a long time since I've been there.
>> Another thing you might check out, try to be at B Photo (33rd & 9th) at
>> maybe 4:30 on Friday. The place is run by Hasidic Jews, they close at sun
>> down on Friday which, at least in the 90s when I went there "Put down the
>> items and leave now." It was pretty funny to watch people who didn't know
>> what was going on.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 9:45:59 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>
>>  Speaking of UN, what about that Hilton right by the UN, or is that still
>> a long way away from everything?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> >
>> > Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in
>> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
>> >
>> > I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which
>> puts you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the
>> north and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday
>> Inn express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too
>> badly when you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night
>> but that was a week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk
>> the Highline, I bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
>> >
>> > LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there.
>> It's not a bad airport though.
>> >
>> > To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it
>> was. It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick
>> to the touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Curt
>> >
>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> >  wrote:
>> > For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to
>> the WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it
>> take to take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2
>> tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so
>> I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets
>> for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case
>> was LGA.
>> > >
>> > > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday,
>> and will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly
>> relocate to a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look
>> at? Perhap Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any
>> ferries that go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the
>> wife and kid will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at
>> hotel. After I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just
>> take a cab to and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If
>> we do relocate hotels Friday, will probably have the 

Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I don't remember where they are relative to anything else, but with the
subway it really doesn't matter much - see the Museum of Natural History,
the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Guggenhiem, Central Park North for the
gardens, Zabar's, ride the Staten Island Ferry (it was free).

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:07 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Thats a pretty okay hotel. It's an easy walk to 30 Rock and the Empire
> State building. A longish walk to Times Square, pretty far to the 911
> memorial.
> There is a diner between there and the Empire State that I used to go to.
> Old school, big menu, good food, small money. I can't find it on Google
> Maps, it's been a long time since I've been there.
> Another thing you might check out, try to be at B Photo (33rd & 9th) at
> maybe 4:30 on Friday. The place is run by Hasidic Jews, they close at sun
> down on Friday which, at least in the 90s when I went there "Put down the
> items and leave now." It was pretty funny to watch people who didn't know
> what was going on.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 9:45:59 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Speaking of UN, what about that Hilton right by the UN, or is that still
> a long way away from everything?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in
> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> >
> > I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which
> puts you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the
> north and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday
> Inn express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too
> badly when you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night
> but that was a week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk
> the Highline, I bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> >
> > LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there.
> It's not a bad airport though.
> >
> > To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it
> was. It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick
> to the touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> >
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to
> the WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it
> take to take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > >
> > > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2
> tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so
> I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets
> for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case
> was LGA.
> > >
> > > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday,
> and will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly
> relocate to a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look
> at? Perhap Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any
> ferries that go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the
> wife and kid will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at
> hotel. After I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just
> take a cab to and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If
> we do relocate hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to
> the new place while I’m at work.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Gazelle - Ford platform - $15,000

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Seconded. 藍

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 10:30 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> ROTFLMAO!
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 8:26 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Totally German then
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 8/10/21 1:32 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > > This fiberglass poser car looks like a fat man in a speedo.
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Gazelle - Ford platform - $15,000

[OK Don via Mercedes]

ROTFLMAO!

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 8:26 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Totally German then
>
> --FT
>
> On 8/10/21 1:32 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > This fiberglass poser car looks like a fat man in a speedo.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Thats a pretty okay hotel. It's an easy walk to 30 Rock and the Empire State 
building. A longish walk to Times Square, pretty far to the 911 memorial.
There is a diner between there and the Empire State that I used to go to. Old 
school, big menu, good food, small money. I can't find it on Google Maps, it's 
been a long time since I've been there.
Another thing you might check out, try to be at B Photo (33rd & 9th) at maybe 
4:30 on Friday. The place is run by Hasidic Jews, they close at sun down on 
Friday which, at least in the 90s when I went there "Put down the items and 
leave now." It was pretty funny to watch people who didn't know what was going 
on. 

-Curt

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 9:45:59 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Speaking of UN, what about that Hilton right by the UN, or is that still a 
long way away from everything?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in 
> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> 
> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which puts 
> you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the north 
> and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday Inn 
> express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too badly when 
> you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night but that was a 
> week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk the Highline, I 
> bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> 
> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there. It's 
> not a bad airport though.
> 
> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it was. 
> It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick to the 
> touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to the 
> WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it take to 
> take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > 
> > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2 
> > tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so 
> > I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets 
> > for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case 
> > was LGA.
> > 
> > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday, and 
> > will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly relocate to 
> > a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look at? Perhap 
> > Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any ferries that 
> > go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the wife and kid 
> > will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at hotel. After 
> > I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just take a cab to 
> > and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If we do relocate 
> > hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to the new place 
> > while I’m at work. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Speaking of UN, what about that Hilton right by the UN, or is that still a long 
way away from everything?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in 
> Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
> 
> I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which puts 
> you in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the north 
> and the Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday Inn 
> express around there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too badly when 
> you see Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night but that was a 
> week the UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk the Highline, I 
> bet the flowers are nice this time of year.
> 
> LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there. It's 
> not a bad airport though.
> 
> To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it was. 
> It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick to the 
> touristy areas and nobody will bother you.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> For my weekend I’m thinking about moving to the Hilton that is close to the 
> WTC/ground zero area. Got to thinking, how expensive and how would it take to 
> take a cab/Uber from here to the dealership in the Bay Ridge area? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > 
> > Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2 
> > tickets out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so 
> > I can enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets 
> > for the wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case 
> > was LGA.
> > 
> > I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday, and 
> > will book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly relocate to 
> > a different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look at? Perhap 
> > Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any ferries that 
> > go across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the wife and kid 
> > will ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at hotel. After 
> > I’m done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just take a cab to 
> > and from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If we do relocate 
> > hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to the new place 
> > while I’m at work. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Always do a search for Rock Auto Coupon, I don't remember when I last 
placed an order without a 5% discount.


On 2021-08-10 09:09, Robert Koziak via Mercedes wrote:

I have used RockAuto for years and their prices are usually great!
 The shipping can be an issue so you have to do your homework and
compare with other suppliers.  I periodically get an email with a 5%
discount on any size order which helps with the shipping.
They encourage sharing the discount codes with friends and family.  If
anyone is interested I can forward the most recent email I received a
few days ago and expired on October 10, 2021.
Bob K


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[MBZ] Several Misc warning lights have been scrolling on message scroll for years. 2001 Mercedes S430 - $3, 300 (Johns Island)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/folly-beach-2001-mercedes-s430/7363590718.html

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Re: [MBZ] Gazelle - Ford platform - $15,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Totally German then

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On 8/10/21 1:32 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

This fiberglass poser car looks like a fat man in a speedo.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I buy it in the gallon jug and refill the little cans. The gallon jug is eye 
wateringly expensive but for the price of 5 cans you get the volume of 9

Curt

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  On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 11:15 PM, G Mann wrote:   Seafoam 
was invented to solve a particular problem in the boating industry. Outboard 
motors are a seasonal use device. Spring, summer, early fall, they get used, 
then comes winter and they are stored [stored means everything from left on the 
boat in the water to brought inside and kept dry]. All that said, the months of 
non use brought about the fuel/ oil mix congealing in the carbs and plugging 
jets, etc.. everything we are plagued with. Then came SeaFoam, which dissolves 
all the crud and lets you get back on the lake or river without the expensive 
annual engine rebuild cost. Lucky us... it also works on cars, trucks, and 
tractors... Great stuff... It pulls the rabbit out of the hat time after time. 
They even make a version to add to engine oil that dissolves sludge in the 
crankcase. That works well also... Cheap? no. but it works.
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 5:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I've had really good luck with Seafoam loosening stuck needles in carbs. It's 
also an excellent fuel stabilizer.
Curt

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  On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   I do have Techron in the tank now... 
but at the recommended dilution. I suppose a high strength shot won't really 
hurt anything as a one-time attempt.

Leno keeps raving about Seafoam also. Might try that.

Allan

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> Remember how we used to put the fuel supply and return hoses in a can of 
> diesel purge and idle our OM617s until the DP was gone?
> 
> You might set up to to run on a mix of ethanol free gas and Techron that 
> way, or just dump a bottle in the tank with a couple gallons of gas and 
> go for a drive.
> 
> On 2021-08-08 21:21, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > 
> > And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs
> > apart and go through them.
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Re: [MBZ] Well I’m booked to NYC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Probably $50. I took a cab once from Penn station to sheepshead bay in 
Brooklyn, $90 and a long ride.
I would recommend you go a little farther uptown, 30th st or so which puts you 
in walking distance of Times Square and Rockefeller Center to the north and the 
Sept 11 memorial to the south. I used to stay in a Holiday Inn express around 
there. It's a pretty good good hotel, don't gag too badly when you see 
Manhattan prices, the most I ever paid was $700/night but that was a week the 
UN was in town. If you do stay in that area go walk the Highline, I bet the 
flowers are nice this time of year.

LGA is run down, or it was a couple years ago when I last went there. It's not 
a bad airport though.
To anybody who hasn't been in NYC in 30 years, this is not the city it was. 
It's cleaned up a lot and is pretty safe by big city standards. Stick to the 
touristy areas and nobody will bother you.

Curt

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  On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   For my weekend I’m thinking about 
moving to the Hilton that is close to the WTC/ground zero area. Got to 
thinking, how expensive and how would it take to take a cab/Uber from here to 
the dealership in the Bay Ridge area? 

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> On Aug 9, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Which turned into the kid also wanting to go. So I had to pay for 2 tickets 
> out of pocket. This also has turned into me staying until Monday so I can 
> enjoy some sight seeing over the weekend. Since I had to buy tickets for the 
> wife and kid I went the cheapest route possible, which in this case was LGA.
> 
> I have a company paid hotel, Hampton Inn Brooklyn, up until Friday, and will 
> book my own reservation Friday thru Monday. Might possibly relocate to a 
> different hotel for the weekend? Recommended areas to look at? Perhap 
> Manhattan closer to tourist crap? Or stay at same hotel? Any ferries that go 
> across to them ride that Staten Island ferry?  I’m sure the wife and kid will 
> ride the subway around while I’m at work: or just sit at hotel. After I’m 
> done working, we will do the subway thing. Probably just take a cab to and 
> from airport so we don’t have to haul luggage around. If we do relocate 
> hotels Friday, will probably have the wife haul the bags to the new place 
> while I’m at work. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto

[Robert Koziak via Mercedes]

I have used RockAuto for years and their prices are usually great!  The 
shipping can be an issue so you have to do your homework and compare with other 
suppliers.  I periodically get an email with a 5% discount on any size order 
which helps with the shipping.
They encourage sharing the discount codes with friends and family.  If anyone 
is interested I can forward the most recent email I received a few days ago and 
expired on October 10, 2021.
Bob K


-Original Message-
From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2021 8:43 am
Subject: [MBZ] Rock Auto

Here’s how you use Rock Auto:

Got a note on my RSS feed for some new stuff in the closeout section for the 
SL500. Picked up a pair of Philips H3 driving light bulbs ($1.47/ea) and a 
Bosch fuel filter ($4.36). Shipping was $9.00, bringing my total to about 
$17.50.

Retail anywhere else on the filter is about $30 and the bulbs around 
$5-$7/each, so I came out well ahead.

There was a bunch of other stuff but it was mostly dreck. You have to sift 
through the lists and look for name brands, then check the prices.

-D

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[MBZ] Rock Auto

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Here’s how you use Rock Auto:

Got a note on my RSS feed for some new stuff in the closeout section for the 
SL500. Picked up a pair of Philips H3 driving light bulbs ($1.47/ea) and a 
Bosch fuel filter ($4.36). Shipping was $9.00, bringing my total to about 
$17.50.

Retail anywhere else on the filter is about $30 and the bulbs around 
$5-$7/each, so I came out well ahead.

There was a bunch of other stuff but it was mostly dreck. You have to sift 
through the lists and look for name brands, then check the prices.

-D

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