Re: [MBZ] The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built

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OK - the text:

The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built
Porsche’s first production sedan was a Mercedes-Benz.
BY MIKE DUFF

History is written by the victors; so are most autobahn stories. Yet, my 
abiding memory of Mercedes’s epoch-defining sport sedan came as an onlooker 
rather than a driver. A couple of years back, I was driving on an unlimited 
stretch of the A5 autobahn south of Frankfurt late on a summer evening. I’d 
rented a base Volkswagen Polo, which was incapable of any high-speed adventure 
itself. But I had a great view as fast movers streaked past.

Almost all of them were expensive late-model cars. But one wasn’t. A glance in 
the Polo’s rearview mirror delivered the unexpected sight of older halogen 
headlights closing at a significant pace. Seconds later, a W124-generation 500E 
streaked past at a speed that sent the Polo rocking in its wake, the Merc 
either close to or hard against its 155-mph limiter. It was a 30-year-old 
performance car still being driven as its creators intended.
 
Many cities are riven by deep rivalries, and although Stuttgart doesn’t have a 
sporting enmity to match that between the Mets and the Yankees, it does possess 
two automotive home teams, Mercedes and Porsche. These days, employee numbers 
and even sales volumes have grown closer, but back in the late Eighties, 
Mercedes was big and successful, and Porsche was small and struggling. The 
situation led to the joint parentage of the Mercedes 500E.

The 500E is all Mercedes. Every component carries one of the company’s parts 
numbers. But Porsche was contracted to engineer and build it. These days, both 
companies are equally proud of it; the car photographed for this story belongs 
to the Porsche Museum.

The W124 E-class launched for 1986 to critical and sales success but without 
any performance variant. Mercedes had already found success for a turned-up 
version of the smaller 190E with a Cosworth-¬designed 16-valve engine, so 
trying something similar for the E-class made sense, especially as future 
subsidiary AMG was already creating an after¬market V-8 version. “BMW was in 
the market with the M5, and AMG had the Hammer,” remembers ¬Jürgen Berghus, a 
young engineer at Mercedes in 1988, now 65 years old and recently retired. “So 
we decided to try to implement a V-8 engine.”

Before that, there was brief consideration of using a twin-turbo six-cylinder, 
but a prototype engine proved unsuitable. “The biturbo was very digital,” 
Berghus says. “It was one or zero, all or nothing.” Instead, the E-class would 
get the contemporary 500SL’s 5.0-liter M119 32-valve V-8, which could be 
squeezed into the W124’s engine bay with slight surgery. Mercedes had built 
prototypes, but it lacked the resources to make a production version, with its 
engineers flat out on the 1990 R129 SL roadster and 1992 W140 S-class.
Enter Porsche. The sports-car maker’s contract-¬engineering division was one of 
the few parts of the business that was still doing well. “It was a time of 
crisis at Porsche,” says Michael Hölscher, now 68 and retired, one of the 
company’s engineers for hire at the time. “The production numbers in 
Zuffen¬hausen had decreased from 80,000 to 18,000, so it was very good news 
that Mercedes gave us this job. It was not the only component in Porsche 
staying alive, but it was a very good brick in the wall.” Hölscher had just 
finished a GM project and went to work on the 500E. Mercedes had set all the 
core targets. Berghus shows an internal document from 1987 that stipulated a 
250-km/h (155-mph) top speed, the figure that BMW and Mercedes had agreed to 
limit their most powerful cars to.

While the regular W124 E-class was a spectacular piece of engineering and is 
widely regarded as one of the pinnacles of Mercedes quality—even now, some 
still work as taxis in parts of the world—it was no sport sedan. Mercedes 
designed it for comfort and refinement. As launched, the most powerful version 
had 177 hp. The new car would need more than 300 hp to deliver on the 
performance targets.

The Porsche Museum’s 500E becomes a demonstration tool at this point, with 
Berghus and Hölscher happy to school me on the many differences between it and 
the regular E-class. One of the cleverest is effectively invisible, with the 
need to feed cold air to the engine stymied by the requirement for much larger 
radiators that would entirely fill the space behind the grille. Instead, the 
design team took advantage of the high-pressure area at the front of the car 
and created ducting behind the headlights, with more than enough air flowing 
through the gaps around the lights to feed the engine. Peaks of 322 hp and 354 
lb-ft might look slight by modern standards, but they were enough to make the 
500E one of the fastest sedans in the world, even though the four-speed 
automatic gearbox (¬chosen because the company’s five-speed unit couldn’t 
handle the torque) meant the engine would be running close to 

Re: [MBZ] The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built

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This link might work, but I'll try to copy the text.
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On Friday, April 12th, 2024 at 7:37 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> Paywalled. Can you cut and paste the text?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 2:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> wrote:
> 
> > The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built (roadandtrack.com)
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Re: [MBZ] The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built

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Paywalled.  Can you cut and paste the text?

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> [The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built (
> roadandtrack.com)](
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Re: [MBZ] No drama S550 collection

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Sehr gut! Jawohl!!
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2024, at 5:01 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A friend drove me up to Columbia this morning to collect the $2500 09S550 
> 4matic, 146kmi.  In looking at the specs it is pretty much a base model 
> (although the Sonder-klasse is quite well appointed), no real options except 
> for 4matic.
> 
> Did that no problem although the battery was a little weak but I had taken a 
> full complement of road trip support equipment, including a new battery and 
> cables.  A quick jump and it lit off fine.  The AC was even working, it was 
> throwing a code for the blower regulator the other day which I think was 
> intermittent as the AC worked on my test drive.
> 
> Battery was apparently fairly recent, I'll have to keep track of it.  Tires 
> are BFGs about 1.5yr old, so those are very good.
> 
> Car was pretty filthy from sitting for awhile in the pollen and crap that has 
> been prevalent here the last few weeks so I found a car wash close by and ran 
> it through ($10 for a basic wash, damn prices have really gone up sicne 
> whenever I did my last auto wash) and it came out looking pretty good though 
> still a bit crusty.  Paint needs a full correction and I think it will look 
> really nice.  No dings anywhere but a bunch of little stone chips here and 
> there, I can live with that for now.  Looks really nice from 20ft though and 
> the interior is in very good condition though filthy with dog hair.  Full 
> detail in the near future.
> 
> Hit a QT and filled up with hi-test and hit the road.  The front axles are 
> shot and were complaining mightily on turns, and a bit less so straight 
> ahead, more so on acceleration, so I was more than somewhat concerned about 
> potential failure leaving me DOTSOTR. But what the hell, a journey is when 
> you overcome adversity to reach your destination.  I kept the speed to 70mph 
> or so which I observed was quite comfortable as everyone else was weaving 
> around going 72-74 or more and I mostly just cruised along with no drama 
> while being passed.  I could hear and feel the axles although I did have to 
> drop the windows as the AC blower gave up after a little bit.  No problem as 
> it was a beautiful 74F today, but the noise was a bit annoying.  My friend 
> who gave me the ride up was following behind so if I had to bail out at least 
> only the car would be stranded somewhere.  That was comforting.
> 
> Made it home fine, no failures, an extremely comfortable big cruiser ride, 
> dash was saying 22.1mpg and the gas gauge did not drop as much as I would 
> have expected so maybe that was close.
> 
> Got home and found a set of RockAuto front axels on the porch along with a 
> blower regulator from Amazon, stuff I ordered on Wednesday, so I guess I know 
> what the weekend will entail.  New break pats arriving tomorrow I think, and 
> a headlight xenon bulb ($$!!!) it needs.  I think that is all the immediate 
> maintenance required. I should probably look at the break roders too, maybe I 
> will need a new set of those.  I notice the tranny was shifting a bit slowly 
> so I will do a fluid/filter change on that soon, engine oil change and 
> probably diffs too while I'm at it.
> 
> I think this will have been an excellent purchase and I am excited to do some 
> road trips in it.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

you should be charged with a good pun.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 4:30 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I watched a utuber vid from this Aussie guy MGUY who has gone on a total
> rant about EVs.  He had one on about the Hertz EVs they were renting,
> and they had to be returned with 90% charge and if not you would get
> charged (see what I did there) for the charge to capacity, kinda like
> the usurious gas refill costs.  Turns out though that Hertz had the
> charge levels capped at 90%, so even if a renter managed to find a
> charge point close to the rental location (and wait a coupla hours to
> charge it) it would only go to 90% so by the time you got back to the
> drop-off it was below 90 and there was a surcharge on the bill.  Nice.
>
> Apparently EV batteries don't like to be charged to 100% constantly, or
> charged to a high level frequently like if you are driving a distance
> and want to recharge but then the car says no you have to wait awhile
> before I will let me be charged up again.  So you're basically f'd if
> you are trying to make any distance in any sort of time comparable to a
> IC vehicle.
>
> --FT
>
> On 4/12/24 2:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > I think, like the Tesla owners getting screwed with price drops, that it
> is very karmic.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2024, at 2:20 PM, Dwight Giles
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > maybe there is justice.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 1:25 PM dan penoff.com  via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > And we’re surprised by this?
> >
> >
> > <
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
> > [1-718966.png]
> > Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New Vehicle<
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
> > mbworld.org<
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Had a blast while I had it. 2008 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 BLUETEC Sedan 4D, $2, 700

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Probably all sorts of deferred maintenance and most likely oil cooler needs to 
be done.

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> On Apr 11, 2024, at 3:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> One wonders how much of a blast.  Could be worth it with a bit of negotiating
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1102425774346423
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[MBZ] EV AMG

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I got all my chores done, so I sat down to watch The Masters, which is being 
brought to me by Mercedes. They just had a commercial for an AMG that is an EV. 
They quoted some crazy horsepower values, but I wasn’t paying attention. There 
just seems to be something foundationally wrong when you use AMG and EV in the 
same sentence. 

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[MBZ] No drama S550 collection

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A friend drove me up to Columbia this morning to collect the $2500 
09S550 4matic, 146kmi.  In looking at the specs it is pretty much a base 
model (although the Sonder-klasse is quite well appointed), no real 
options except for 4matic.


Did that no problem although the battery was a little weak but I had 
taken a full complement of road trip support equipment, including a new 
battery and cables.  A quick jump and it lit off fine.  The AC was even 
working, it was throwing a code for the blower regulator the other day 
which I think was intermittent as the AC worked on my test drive.


Battery was apparently fairly recent, I'll have to keep track of it.  
Tires are BFGs about 1.5yr old, so those are very good.


Car was pretty filthy from sitting for awhile in the pollen and crap 
that has been prevalent here the last few weeks so I found a car wash 
close by and ran it through ($10 for a basic wash, damn prices have 
really gone up sicne whenever I did my last auto wash) and it came out 
looking pretty good though still a bit crusty.  Paint needs a full 
correction and I think it will look really nice.  No dings anywhere but 
a bunch of little stone chips here and there, I can live with that for 
now.  Looks really nice from 20ft though and the interior is in very 
good condition though filthy with dog hair.  Full detail in the near future.


Hit a QT and filled up with hi-test and hit the road.  The front axles 
are shot and were complaining mightily on turns, and a bit less so 
straight ahead, more so on acceleration, so I was more than somewhat 
concerned about potential failure leaving me DOTSOTR. But what the hell, 
a journey is when you overcome adversity to reach your destination.  I 
kept the speed to 70mph or so which I observed was quite comfortable as 
everyone else was weaving around going 72-74 or more and I mostly just 
cruised along with no drama while being passed.  I could hear and feel 
the axles although I did have to drop the windows as the AC blower gave 
up after a little bit.  No problem as it was a beautiful 74F today, but 
the noise was a bit annoying.  My friend who gave me the ride up was 
following behind so if I had to bail out at least only the car would be 
stranded somewhere.  That was comforting.


Made it home fine, no failures, an extremely comfortable big cruiser 
ride, dash was saying 22.1mpg and the gas gauge did not drop as much as 
I would have expected so maybe that was close.


Got home and found a set of RockAuto front axels on the porch along with 
a blower regulator from Amazon, stuff I ordered on Wednesday, so I guess 
I know what the weekend will entail.  New break pats arriving tomorrow I 
think, and a headlight xenon bulb ($$!!!) it needs.  I think that is all 
the immediate maintenance required. I should probably look at the break 
roders too, maybe I will need a new set of those.  I notice the tranny 
was shifting a bit slowly so I will do a fluid/filter change on that 
soon, engine oil change and probably diffs too while I'm at it.


I think this will have been an excellent purchase and I am excited to do 
some road trips in it.


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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I watched a utuber vid from this Aussie guy MGUY who has gone on a total 
rant about EVs.  He had one on about the Hertz EVs they were renting, 
and they had to be returned with 90% charge and if not you would get 
charged (see what I did there) for the charge to capacity, kinda like 
the usurious gas refill costs.  Turns out though that Hertz had the 
charge levels capped at 90%, so even if a renter managed to find a 
charge point close to the rental location (and wait a coupla hours to 
charge it) it would only go to 90% so by the time you got back to the 
drop-off it was below 90 and there was a surcharge on the bill.  Nice.


Apparently EV batteries don't like to be charged to 100% constantly, or 
charged to a high level frequently like if you are driving a distance 
and want to recharge but then the car says no you have to wait awhile 
before I will let me be charged up again.  So you're basically f'd if 
you are trying to make any distance in any sort of time comparable to a 
IC vehicle.


--FT

On 4/12/24 2:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I think, like the Tesla owners getting screwed with price drops, that it is 
very karmic.

-D

On Apr 12, 2024, at 2:20 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:


maybe there is justice.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 1:25 PM dan penoff.com  via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
And we’re surprised by this?



[1-718966.png]
Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New 
Vehicle
mbworld.org

-D
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[MBZ] The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built

[OK DonN via Mercedes]

[The Mercedes 500E Is the Greatest Benz Porsche Ever Built 
(roadandtrack.com)](https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a60176604/mercedes-500e-greatest-benz-porsche-built/)
An interesting read
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I think, like the Tesla owners getting screwed with price drops, that it is 
very karmic.

-D

On Apr 12, 2024, at 2:20 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:


maybe there is justice.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
And we’re surprised by this?



[1-718966.png]
Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New 
Vehicle
mbworld.org

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

My guess would be something like an F150 or Silverado with a diesel engine.


On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, at 12:47, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I wonder what new production vehicle had the LEAST depreciation after 1 year?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:42 PM Allan Streib  wrote:
>> Tesla owners have also faced higher-than-expected depreciation, made worse 
>> by Tesla cutting prices on new vehicles as sales have fallen off.
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, at 12:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Probably b/c their list price is ridiculously high.  I drove a loaner
>> > Mercedes EV SUV that was quite well decked out, with 185 mile range and
>> > regenerative braking.  I drove 4 miles but used only 2 miles of range due
>> > to this feature.  For the $95K asking price I would have expected a range
>> > of 300+ miles.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And we’re surprised by this?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <
>> >> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >> >
>> >> [1-718966.png]
>> >> Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New Vehicle<
>> >> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >> >
>> >> mbworld.org<
>> >> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

maybe there is justice.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And we’re surprised by this?
>
>
> <
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
> [1-718966.png]
> Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New Vehicle<
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
> mbworld.org<
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wonder what new production vehicle had the LEAST depreciation after 1
year?

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:42 PM Allan Streib  wrote:

> Tesla owners have also faced higher-than-expected depreciation, made worse
> by Tesla cutting prices on new vehicles as sales have fallen off.
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, at 12:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Probably b/c their list price is ridiculously high.  I drove a loaner
> > Mercedes EV SUV that was quite well decked out, with 185 mile range and
> > regenerative braking.  I drove 4 miles but used only 2 miles of range due
> > to this feature.  For the $95K asking price I would have expected a range
> > of 300+ miles.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And we’re surprised by this?
> >>
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >> >
> >> [1-718966.png]
> >> Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New
> Vehicle<
> >>
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >> >
> >> mbworld.org<
> >>
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Tesla owners have also faced higher-than-expected depreciation, made worse by 
Tesla cutting prices on new vehicles as sales have fallen off.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, at 12:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Probably b/c their list price is ridiculously high.  I drove a loaner
> Mercedes EV SUV that was quite well decked out, with 185 mile range and
> regenerative braking.  I drove 4 miles but used only 2 miles of range due
> to this feature.  For the $95K asking price I would have expected a range
> of 300+ miles.
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> And we’re surprised by this?
>>
>>
>> <
>> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >
>> [1-718966.png]
>> Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New Vehicle<
>> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >
>> mbworld.org<
>> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Probably b/c their list price is ridiculously high.  I drove a loaner
Mercedes EV SUV that was quite well decked out, with 185 mile range and
regenerative braking.  I drove 4 miles but used only 2 miles of range due
to this feature.  For the $95K asking price I would have expected a range
of 300+ miles.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And we’re surprised by this?
>
>
> <
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
> [1-718966.png]
> Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New Vehicle<
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
> mbworld.org<
> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Holy crack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I call that Peek-a-Boo rust.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:42 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> With the rust and exhaust issue that’s pushing it at $2k
>
> --FT
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> > On Apr 11, 2024, at 10:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> >
> > And not just the dashboard.
> >
> >
> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/commercial-point-1984-mercedes-300d/7736399220.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1998 S500 - 305k miles - $2,500

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That has to be about the most depressing color combination possible.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Looks fairly decent, high miles, $1500 might be reasonable if AC works and
> it drives well
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Apr 11, 2024, at 11:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Might be worth a chance as a beater for $1,500 or less, drive it until
> something expensive fails.
> >
> >
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