Re: [MBZ] Land Rover

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Hmm. The 73 Series III I had was,an electrical disaster. Once I got rid of
Lucas-prince of darkness- electrics in favor of Bosch. Frames,rusted under
aluminum bodies. Fun to drive but money pit.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 23, 2018 2:44 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Back in the '70s they were considered unbreakable.
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:42 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > $90 is about what a modern Lan Drover is worth.  Maybe $100 at the
> > crusher if you deliver it.   They are true PsOS, as with britjunk of the
> > earlier decades.   The old Lan Drover of the 60s and before had some
> > redeeming features,  It was like a Model T, in that many problems could
> > be fixed on site with simple tools, a trunk of spare parts you carried
> > along, baling wire, and a hammer.
> >
> > > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > > November 23, 2018 at 12:11 PM
> > > I’m watching a copart auction getting ready to bid on that 03 wagon
> > > and a 08 Land Rover just went thru that looked nice but listed as
> > > mechanical. Ended at $90. Wow
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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Online. And what gets me is when I go to bid on my car, I’m bidding then was 
the winner, somebody outbid me. I let it get about half way thru the countdown 
before it closes and usually put my bid in at about the 3/4 mark. Somewhere 
after half and 3/4 it was declared sold on approval. In other words, it appears 
they ended bidding too early. 

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> On Nov 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb says:
> 
>> I’m watching a copart auction getting ready >to bid
> 
> Online or in person?
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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb says:

>I’m watching a copart auction getting ready >to bid

Online or in person?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Back in the '70s they were considered unbreakable.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:42 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> $90 is about what a modern Lan Drover is worth.  Maybe $100 at the
> crusher if you deliver it.   They are true PsOS, as with britjunk of the
> earlier decades.   The old Lan Drover of the 60s and before had some
> redeeming features,  It was like a Model T, in that many problems could
> be fixed on site with simple tools, a trunk of spare parts you carried
> along, baling wire, and a hammer.
>
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > November 23, 2018 at 12:11 PM
> > I’m watching a copart auction getting ready to bid on that 03 wagon
> > and a 08 Land Rover just went thru that looked nice but listed as
> > mechanical. Ended at $90. Wow
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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

$90 is about what a modern Lan Drover is worth.  Maybe $100 at the 
crusher if you deliver it.   They are true PsOS, as with britjunk of the 
earlier decades.   The old Lan Drover of the 60s and before had some 
redeeming features,  It was like a Model T, in that many problems could 
be fixed on site with simple tools, a trunk of spare parts you carried 
along, baling wire, and a hammer.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 23, 2018 at 12:11 PM
I’m watching a copart auction getting ready to bid on that 03 wagon 
and a 08 Land Rover just went thru that looked nice but listed as 
mechanical. Ended at $90. Wow




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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s what I figured. 

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> On Nov 23, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 23/11/2018 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m watching a copart auction getting ready to bid on that 03 wagon and a 08 
>> Land Rover just went thru that looked nice but listed as mechanical. Ended 
>> at $90. Wow
>> 
> 
> Because they are junk. You don't want one.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 23/11/2018 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I’m watching a copart auction getting ready to bid on that 03 wagon and a 08 
Land Rover just went thru that looked nice but listed as mechanical. Ended at 
$90. Wow



Because they are junk. You don't want one.

RB

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[MBZ] Land Rover

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m watching a copart auction getting ready to bid on that 03 wagon and a 08 
Land Rover just went thru that looked nice but listed as mechanical. Ended at 
$90. Wow

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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Series II would definitely have had Lucas electric. No one would accuse them of 
being reliable. Easily repaired maybe...

Actually that makes me think of an interesting question, of course we'd all 
want to have a very reliable vehicle that was easily maintained and repaired 
but what if you could only have one, what if the choice was:Very reliable but 
difficult/expensive to repairornot terribly reliable but easy/inexpensive to 
repair
?


-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> 
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT
   
The ones I drove were at least 10 years older than the one being auctioned.
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Good off road maybe, indestructible assumes you could keep it running long 
enough to crash into something. These were not known for their reliability 
although I think by series III they'd gotten away from Lucas electrics.
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:27 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT
  
This could be fun if the price doesn't get wacky.  I drove Land Rovers in
Fiji for 3 years - they are indestructible and quite peppy (gas models that
is).

http://bringatrailer.com/ listing/1978-land-rover-88- 
series-iii-diesel-4x4-2/?utm_ source=dailymail_medium= 
email_campaign=2017-08-04
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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The ones I drove were at least 10 years older than the one being auctioned.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Good off road maybe, indestructible assumes you could keep it running long
> enough to crash into something. These were not known for their reliability
> although I think by series III they'd gotten away from Lucas electrics.
>
> -Curt
>
>
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> *Subject:* [MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT
>
> This could be fun if the price doesn't get wacky.  I drove Land Rovers in
> Fiji for 3 years - they are indestructible and quite peppy (gas models that
> is).
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-land-rover-88-
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Re: [MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Good off road maybe, indestructible assumes you could keep it running long 
enough to crash into something. These were not known for their reliability 
although I think by series III they'd gotten away from Lucas electrics.
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:27 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT
   
This could be fun if the price doesn't get wacky.  I drove Land Rovers in
Fiji for 3 years - they are indestructible and quite peppy (gas models that
is).

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-land-rover-88-series-iii-diesel-4x4-2/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2017-08-04
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[MBZ] Land Rover diesel on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This could be fun if the price doesn't get wacky.  I drove Land Rovers in
Fiji for 3 years - they are indestructible and quite peppy (gas models that
is).

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-land-rover-88-series-iii-diesel-4x4-2/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2017-08-04
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[clay]

There is a reason they are so inexpensive.  They are ticking bombs loaded with 
very expensive parts waiting to fail.  That said, if you find one a very good 
condition at a reasonable price, jump on it.  The owner may have taken care of 
issues as they arose, leaving you fewer gremlins to chase

clay

On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range rover for 
 my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any thoughts on 
 these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that don't rust and 
 they are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

My mom bought the G because she was obsessed with safety and liked the looks of 
the thing. She now feels silly driving it and sort of regrets purchasing it.  
She says that it exudes a silly Kardashian image. The truck is very nice and 
has less than 40K miles. She has no problems driving it in the snow/salt but I 
tell her not to. She would rather give it to me than sell it as she doesn't 
want to take the depreciation loss.  

I have to find her a relatively low budget replacement that is safe, can 
transport stuff, and can be driven in the salt with little concern. An old 
fully depreciated land rover came to mind. She also likes the jeep- as in 
wrangler but feels that it is unsafe. She doesn't like the looks of the other 
MB SUVs and won't drive anything Japanese- my influence:). Any thoughts?

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On Dec 25, 2013, at 12:40 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Why not just get a domestic exploder/clone or a santafe or whatever? At
 least those you can get parts for.
 No parts availability problem for LRs newer than '85 or so (around the time
 of the first generation Range Rover that was imported to the US, the really
 boxy ones with the amazing approach angles).  Portland has quite a big LR
 fan club, at least judging by the number of LR-only indies (three that I've
 seen, as opposed to five MB-only shops).
 
 That being said, my impression is that they are pretty darn unreliable,
 with the notable exception of the ones built when BMW briefly owned the
 company.
 
 My question would be, why have a Gelaendewagen if you aren't going to drive
 it in the winter?  Yeah, I know, salt.  It still seems like a waste.
 
 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dan Penoff]

Not many choices if you leave the Asian cars out of it.  She does realize that 
many of these are now built stateside, isn't she?

I know a guy who is an indie that sees a lot of Rovers.  He says every time one 
rolls into his shop he figures on at least one boat payment out of it by the 
time it leaves.

Dan


On Dec 25, 2013, at 8:19 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My mom bought the G because she was obsessed with safety and liked the looks 
 of the thing. She now feels silly driving it and sort of regrets purchasing 
 it.  She says that it exudes a silly Kardashian image. The truck is very nice 
 and has less than 40K miles. She has no problems driving it in the snow/salt 
 but I tell her not to. She would rather give it to me than sell it as she 
 doesn't want to take the depreciation loss.  
 
 I have to find her a relatively low budget replacement that is safe, can 
 transport stuff, and can be driven in the salt with little concern. An old 
 fully depreciated land rover came to mind. She also likes the jeep- as in 
 wrangler but feels that it is unsafe. She doesn't like the looks of the other 
 MB SUVs and won't drive anything Japanese- my influence:). Any thoughts?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dieselhead]

My mom bought the G because she was obsessed with safety and liked 
the looks of the thing. She now feels silly driving it and sort of 
regrets purchasing it.  She says that it exudes a silly Kardashian 
image. The truck is very nice and has less than 40K miles. She has 
no problems driving it in the snow/salt but I tell her not to. She 
would rather give it to me than sell it as she doesn't want to take 
the depreciation loss. 

I have to find her a relatively low budget replacement that is safe, 
can transport stuff, and can be driven in the salt with little 
concern. An old fully depreciated land rover came to mind. She also 
likes the jeep- as in wrangler but feels that it is unsafe. She 
doesn't like the looks of the other MB SUVs and won't drive anything 
Japanese- my influence:). Any thoughts?


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I have never seen a 'drover outside rich suburban areas, pavement and 
parking lots.   I realize the old ugly ones were used in the RTW, and 
had a reputation for being tough.  but the current (USA) crop never 
looked offroad capable.   That is why they appear to be a ultimate 
rich former yupmobile.


A 'drover indie?  that is laughable in most of the country.   ain't 
no parts in Enid Ok, williamsburg, KY or burkburnett, TX or taylor mo 
or St. Germain WIwell you get the picture.  From the appalachians 
to the rockies CHicago, Milw, Indy, hotlanta Mallas Denver, 
Minnieapples, KCMO St. Looie, Cinci Cleveland are about the only 
places you might find a 'drover stealer and perhaps parts.  The rest 
of the country, you are SOL


The other MB 4WDs should be a choice, but only the E, S, and ML have 
been in the US for long with 4wd  THe GLK is cute.


Really, the domestic stuff is much improved.  Frod, dogde and even 
Gummit motors make reliable vehicles for the past 10-15 years. 
Hundy and kiia are not japanee.   Hundys, we call corean caddilacks. 
They are quite nice and reliable, get good mileage.  Santafe.  try 
one she might like it.


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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dwight Giles]

We have a LR indy  sales place   a LR/Jaguar dealer here in South county
RI. I agree about newer ones except for the Defender which seems to be a
direct descendant of the series III.  They are scarce   spendy or i would
have one.
On Dec 25, 2013 10:02 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 My mom bought the G because she was obsessed with safety and liked the
looks of the thing. She now feels silly driving it and sort of regrets
purchasing it.  She says that it exudes a silly Kardashian image. The truck
is very nice and has less than 40K miles. She has no problems driving it in
the snow/salt but I tell her not to. She would rather give it to me than
sell it as she doesn't want to take the depreciation loss.
 I have to find her a relatively low budget replacement that is safe, can
transport stuff, and can be driven in the salt with little concern. An old
fully depreciated land rover came to mind. She also likes the jeep- as in
wrangler but feels that it is unsafe. She doesn't like the looks of the
other MB SUVs and won't drive anything Japanese- my influence:). Any
thoughts?

 Sent from my MBPhone


 I have never seen a 'drover outside rich suburban areas, pavement and
parking lots.   I realize the old ugly ones were used in the RTW, and had a
reputation for being tough.  but the current (USA) crop never looked
offroad capable.   That is why they appear to be a ultimate rich former
yupmobile.

 A 'drover indie?  that is laughable in most of the country.   ain't no
parts in Enid Ok, williamsburg, KY or burkburnett, TX or taylor mo or St.
Germain WIwell you get the picture.  From the appalachians to the
rockies CHicago, Milw, Indy, hotlanta Mallas Denver, Minnieapples, KCMO St.
Looie, Cinci Cleveland are about the only places you might find a 'drover
stealer and perhaps parts.  The rest of the country, you are SOL

 The other MB 4WDs should be a choice, but only the E, S, and ML have been
in the US for long with 4wd  THe GLK is cute.

 Really, the domestic stuff is much improved.  Frod, dogde and even Gummit
motors make reliable vehicles for the past 10-15 years. Hundy and kiia are
not japanee.   Hundys, we call corean caddilacks. They are quite nice and
reliable, get good mileage.  Santafe.  try one she might like it.


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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Rich Thomas]

I rented what was badged a hunday but was really a mitsu 4x4 of some sort 
before they got their own designs and were buildings those things from Tooling 
they got from mitsu.  I beat the hell out of it and it was solid as a rock.  
The newer santafes are a bit tinnier but still capable as are the other jap 
4x4s.  If she wants bigger/safer a yukontahoe would do it, or even a 
eckscalade yo.  Those Lexus things are poseurmobiles but capable too.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Dec 25, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 

 My mom bought the G because she was obsessed with safety and liked the looks 
 of the thing. She now feels silly driving it and sort of regrets purchasing 
 it.  She says that it exudes a silly Kardashian image. The truck is very nice 
 and has less than 40K miles. She has no problems driving it in the snow/salt 
 but I tell her not to. She would rather give it to me than sell it as she 
 doesn't want to take the depreciation loss. 
 I have to find her a relatively low budget replacement that is safe, can 
 transport stuff, and can be driven in the salt with little concern. An old 
 fully depreciated land rover came to mind. She also likes the jeep- as in 
 wrangler but feels that it is unsafe. She doesn't like the looks of the other 
 MB SUVs and won't drive anything Japanese- my influence:). Any thoughts?
 
 Sent from my MBPhone

I have never seen a 'drover outside rich suburban areas, pavement and parking 
lots.   I realize the old ugly ones were used in the RTW, and had a reputation 
for being tough.  but the current (USA) crop never looked offroad capable.   
That is why they appear to be a ultimate rich former yupmobile.

A 'drover indie?  that is laughable in most of the country.   ain't no parts in 
Enid Ok, williamsburg, KY or burkburnett, TX or taylor mo or St. Germain 
WIwell you get the picture.  From the appalachians to the rockies CHicago, 
Milw, Indy, hotlanta Mallas Denver, Minnieapples, KCMO St. Looie, Cinci 
Cleveland are about the only places you might find a 'drover stealer and 
perhaps parts.  The rest of the country, you are SOL

The other MB 4WDs should be a choice, but only the E, S, and ML have been in 
the US for long with 4wd  THe GLK is cute.

Really, the domestic stuff is much improved.  Frod, dogde and even Gummit 
motors make reliable vehicles for the past 10-15 years. Hundy and kiia are not 
japanee.   Hundys, we call corean caddilacks. They are quite nice and reliable, 
get good mileage.  Santafe.  try one she might like it.

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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dan Penoff]

I looked at Santa Fes when I was shopping for my Focus wagon.  They seemed like 
good, solid vehicles and appeared to be relatively trouble free.

What is Mom hauling that she needs such a beast, anyway?

And the indie I referenced does all sorts of foreign cars, not just Rovers.  
He'd starve to death if he just did Rovers, for sure,.  Aren't that many in the 
immediate area.  Lots of them in Sarasota and South Tampa ().

Dan


On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 I rented what was badged a hunday but was really a mitsu 4x4 of some sort 
 before they got their own designs and were buildings those things from 
 Tooling they got from mitsu.  I beat the hell out of it and it was solid as a 
 rock.  The newer santafes are a bit tinnier but still capable as are the 
 other jap 4x4s.  If she wants bigger/safer a yukontahoe would do it, or 
 even a eckscalade yo.  Those Lexus things are poseurmobiles but capable too.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Dec 25, 2013 5:19 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 She doesn't like the looks of the other
 MB SUVs and won't drive anything
 Japanese- my influence:). Any
 thoughts?


First-gen BMW X5?  I think Jim C is pretty happy with his.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

The Yukon Tahoe is a thought as is a Jeep Cherokee.  I/she won't touch any 
Asian vehicles. 
I was also thinking an old BMW X5.

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On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I rented what was badged a hunday but was really a mitsu 4x4 of some sort 
 before they got their own designs and were buildings those things from 
 Tooling they got from mitsu.  I beat the hell out of it and it was solid as a 
 rock.  The newer santafes are a bit tinnier but still capable as are the 
 other jap 4x4s.  If she wants bigger/safer a yukontahoe would do it, or 
 even a eckscalade yo.  Those Lexus things are poseurmobiles but capable too.
 
 --R (sent from my miniPad)
 
 On Dec 25, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My mom bought the G because she was obsessed with safety and liked the looks 
 of the thing. She now feels silly driving it and sort of regrets purchasing 
 it.  She says that it exudes a silly Kardashian image. The truck is very 
 nice and has less than 40K miles. She has no problems driving it in the 
 snow/salt but I tell her not to. She would rather give it to me than sell it 
 as she doesn't want to take the depreciation loss. 
 I have to find her a relatively low budget replacement that is safe, can 
 transport stuff, and can be driven in the salt with little concern. An old 
 fully depreciated land rover came to mind. She also likes the jeep- as in 
 wrangler but feels that it is unsafe. She doesn't like the looks of the 
 other MB SUVs and won't drive anything Japanese- my influence:). Any 
 thoughts?
 
 Sent from my MBPhone
 
 I have never seen a 'drover outside rich suburban areas, pavement and parking 
 lots.   I realize the old ugly ones were used in the RTW, and had a 
 reputation for being tough.  but the current (USA) crop never looked offroad 
 capable.   That is why they appear to be a ultimate rich former yupmobile.
 
 A 'drover indie?  that is laughable in most of the country.   ain't no parts 
 in Enid Ok, williamsburg, KY or burkburnett, TX or taylor mo or St. Germain 
 WIwell you get the picture.  From the appalachians to the rockies 
 CHicago, Milw, Indy, hotlanta Mallas Denver, Minnieapples, KCMO St. Looie, 
 Cinci Cleveland are about the only places you might find a 'drover stealer 
 and perhaps parts.  The rest of the country, you are SOL
 
 The other MB 4WDs should be a choice, but only the E, S, and ML have been in 
 the US for long with 4wd  THe GLK is cute.
 
 Really, the domestic stuff is much improved.  Frod, dogde and even Gummit 
 motors make reliable vehicles for the past 10-15 years. Hundy and kiia are 
 not japanee.   Hundys, we call corean caddilacks. They are quite nice and 
 reliable, get good mileage.  Santafe.  try one she might like it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

Well, I went to prep school in Fairfield County, CT - not my choice and I've 
never driven anything but a MB or BMW. To claim that I don't have any yuppie in 
me despite my very ethic name would be rather hypocritical. So I'm OK with the 
yuppie rover. I'm not ok with it's potential reliability issues.

LR dealerships and mechanics are not a scarcity in the Northeast.

In my opinion all the MB SUVs up until the mid 2000's are garbage. The G-wagen 
is clearly an exception.

I don't have any problems with the domestic stuff and will certainly consider 
it.

I would rather break down in a LR 10x per year than drive an Asian vehicle.

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On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 My mom bought the G because she was obsessed with safety and liked the looks 
 of the thing. She now feels silly driving it and sort of regrets purchasing 
 it.  She says that it exudes a silly Kardashian image. The truck is very 
 nice and has less than 40K miles. She has no problems driving it in the 
 snow/salt but I tell her not to. She would rather give it to me than sell it 
 as she doesn't want to take the depreciation loss. 
 I have to find her a relatively low budget replacement that is safe, can 
 transport stuff, and can be driven in the salt with little concern. An old 
 fully depreciated land rover came to mind. She also likes the jeep- as in 
 wrangler but feels that it is unsafe. She doesn't like the looks of the 
 other MB SUVs and won't drive anything Japanese- my influence:). Any 
 thoughts?
 
 Sent from my MBPhone
 
 I have never seen a 'drover outside rich suburban areas, pavement and parking 
 lots.   I realize the old ugly ones were used in the RTW, and had a 
 reputation for being tough.  but the current (USA) crop never looked offroad 
 capable.   That is why they appear to be a ultimate rich former yupmobile.
 
 A 'drover indie?  that is laughable in most of the country.   ain't no parts 
 in Enid Ok, williamsburg, KY or burkburnett, TX or taylor mo or St. Germain 
 WIwell you get the picture.  From the appalachians to the rockies 
 CHicago, Milw, Indy, hotlanta Mallas Denver, Minnieapples, KCMO St. Looie, 
 Cinci Cleveland are about the only places you might find a 'drover stealer 
 and perhaps parts.  The rest of the country, you are SOL
 
 The other MB 4WDs should be a choice, but only the E, S, and ML have been in 
 the US for long with 4wd  THe GLK is cute.
 
 Really, the domestic stuff is much improved.  Frod, dogde and even Gummit 
 motors make reliable vehicles for the past 10-15 years. Hundy and kiia are 
 not japanee.   Hundys, we call corean caddilacks. They are quite nice and 
 reliable, get good mileage.  Santafe.  try one she might like it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

Yes that is a good thought. I'll start looking into those. They appear well 
built.

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On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Dec 25, 2013 5:19 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 She doesn't like the looks of the other
 MB SUVs and won't drive anything
 Japanese- my influence:). Any
 thoughts?
 
 First-gen BMW X5?  I think Jim C is pretty happy with his.
 
 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Jim Cathey]

First-gen BMW X5?  I think Jim C is pretty happy with his.


The X5 kicked MB's heiney in the looks department.
Jill's still pretty happy with it.  The shop that
changes the oil keeps knocking the air boot off the
MAF sensor, but now we know about that trick.  The
I6 has plenty of power, still very happy with that
choice.  I haven't seen a more attractive SUV yet.
I love the little tailgate, I hate the flat-floor
entries and car trunks.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

Yes it did. Mercedes SUVs with the exception of G-wagen are quite lame in the 
looks dept. The X5 is uniformly nice.
The Range Rover is awesome looking but.

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On Dec 25, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 First-gen BMW X5?  I think Jim C is pretty happy with his.
 
 The X5 kicked MB's heiney in the looks department.
 Jill's still pretty happy with it.  The shop that
 changes the oil keeps knocking the air boot off the
 MAF sensor, but now we know about that trick.  The
 I6 has plenty of power, still very happy with that
 choice.  I haven't seen a more attractive SUV yet.
 I love the little tailgate, I hate the flat-floor
 entries and car trunks.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dwight Giles]

Well I agree with you about rather breaking down in land rover than driving
Asian
And I have driven all kinds except x5 which I would like to have
 On Dec 25, 2013 1:08 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yes it did. Mercedes SUVs with the exception of G-wagen are quite lame in
 the looks dept. The X5 is uniformly nice.
 The Range Rover is awesome looking but.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 25, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

  First-gen BMW X5?  I think Jim C is pretty happy with his.
 
  The X5 kicked MB's heiney in the looks department.
  Jill's still pretty happy with it.  The shop that
  changes the oil keeps knocking the air boot off the
  MAF sensor, but now we know about that trick.  The
  I6 has plenty of power, still very happy with that
  choice.  I haven't seen a more attractive SUV yet.
  I love the little tailgate, I hate the flat-floor
  entries and car trunks.
 
  -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Rich Thomas]

Those are built in SC now. I toured the factory and did a day at the track.  
The factory is notable for a relative dearth of humans.

Good ol merkin iron now and no union involvement at the final assembly.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Dec 25, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 

 First-gen BMW X5?  I think Jim C is pretty happy with his.

The X5 kicked MB's heiney in the looks department.
Jill's still pretty happy with it.  The shop that
changes the oil keeps knocking the air boot off the
MAF sensor, but now we know about that trick.  The
I6 has plenty of power, still very happy with that
choice.  I haven't seen a more attractive SUV yet.
I love the little tailgate, I hate the flat-floor
entries and car trunks.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Curt Raymond]

We've talked about one to replace the Ranger, we don't really need a pickup 
truck anymore, an SUV would be fine since I have a trailer. The Rover's are 
supposed to be quite capable offroad too. I'm worried that maintenance and 
reliability wouldn't be so great...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:34:30 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?
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I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range rover for my 
mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any thoughts on 
these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that don't rust and they 
are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.

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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dwight Giles]

My major problems were electrical since it had electrics by the Prince of
Darkness.  As in old LR joke - why do British drink warm beer? They have
Lucas refrigerators.  Once I changed electrics to Bosch replacements was
better. I assume newer ones don't have Lucas.
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Frederick Moir]

It probably has Magneti Morelli elec-tricks.
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.



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Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?
 

My major problems were electrical since it had electrics by the Prince of
Darkness.  As in old LR joke - why do British drink warm beer? They have
Lucas refrigerators.  Once I changed electrics to Bosch replacements was
better. I assume newer ones don't have Lucas.

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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Peter Frederick]

Avoid the Buick V8 versions, the cylinder walls crack and the sleeves  
come loose with very bad results if even slightly overheated.  Do not  
buy one made before Ford took over (although most of those are in  
junkyards already).


Peter

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[MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range rover for my 
mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any thoughts on 
these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that don't rust and they 
are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.

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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dieselhead]

I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range 
rover for my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt 
duty. Any thoughts on these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum 
bodies that don't rust and they are fairly inexpensive once 10 years 
old or older.


Sent from my iPhone


Seem to be the insignia of choice for rich former yuppies.  If BMW is 
the ultimate driving mosheen, then the LR may the ultimate yupmobile.


Why not just get a domestic exploder/clone or a santafe or whatever? 
At least those you can get parts for.


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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

Cuz she don't want no beat up redneck truck. Her primary car is a G-wagen! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range rover for 
 my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any thoughts 
 on these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that don't rust and 
 they are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Seem to be the insignia of choice for rich former yuppies.  If BMW is the 
 ultimate driving mosheen, then the LR may the ultimate yupmobile.
 
 Why not just get a domestic exploder/clone or a santafe or whatever? At least 
 those you can get parts for.
 
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[OK Don]

Then get a first generation ML ---


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Cuz she don't want no beat up redneck truck. Her primary car is a G-wagen!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range rover
 for my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any
 thoughts on these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that
 don't rust and they are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  Seem to be the insignia of choice for rich former yuppies.  If BMW is
 the ultimate driving mosheen, then the LR may the ultimate yupmobile.
 
  Why not just get a domestic exploder/clone or a santafe or whatever? At
 least those you can get parts for.
 
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- Benjamin Franklin 1789
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[dseretakis]

Aren't those crap?

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On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:29 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Then get a first generation ML ---
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Cuz she don't want no beat up redneck truck. Her primary car is a G-wagen!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range rover
 for my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any
 thoughts on these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that
 don't rust and they are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Seem to be the insignia of choice for rich former yuppies.  If BMW is
 the ultimate driving mosheen, then the LR may the ultimate yupmobile.
 
 Why not just get a domestic exploder/clone or a santafe or whatever? At
 least those you can get parts for.
 
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[Dwight Giles]

First generation ones had bad reputation. IIRC several problems.
On Dec 24, 2013 7:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Aren't those crap?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:29 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  Then get a first generation ML ---
 
 
  On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Cuz she don't want no beat up redneck truck. Her primary car is a
 G-wagen!
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range
 rover
  for my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any
  thoughts on these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that
  don't rust and they are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  Seem to be the insignia of choice for rich former yuppies.  If BMW is
  the ultimate driving mosheen, then the LR may the ultimate yupmobile.
 
  Why not just get a domestic exploder/clone or a santafe or whatever? At
  least those you can get parts for.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[OK Don]

No. the issues were mostly minor and cosmetic, and have likely already been
fixed by now. I had a 2001, that I sold the Kaleb when I dumped all the old
cars last year. It was fine.


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Aren't those crap?

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 On Dec 24, 2013, at 7:29 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  Then get a first generation ML ---
 




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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Dwight Giles]

I had an old 1973 series III. Was a cool vehicle. Aluminum body doesn't
rust but frames did on older ones. I also had a GMC Jimmy  but LR was
better esp off road   in snow. YMMV
On Dec 24, 2013 5:34 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range rover
 for my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt duty. Any
 thoughts on these cars? Are they crap? I like the aluminum bodies that
 don't rust and they are fairly inexpensive once 10 years old or older.

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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts? dave3u9a

[Fmiser]

  I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or
  range rover for my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen
  from salt duty. Any thoughts on these cars? Are they crap? I
  like the aluminum bodies that don't rust and they are fairly
 inexpensive once 10 years old or older.

 Dieselhead wrote:
 
 Seem to be the insignia of choice for rich former yuppies.  If
 BMW is the ultimate driving mosheen, then the LR may the ultimate
 yupmobile.

Only in the USA.  RangeRover is a high-end product all over, but
the Discovery is thought classy only here - I guess like
Mercedes.   Elsewhere, it is on the short list with Toyota Land
Cruiser as the get-you-there transportation choice.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 Why not just get a domestic exploder/clone or a santafe or whatever? At
 least those you can get parts for.


No parts availability problem for LRs newer than '85 or so (around the time
of the first generation Range Rover that was imported to the US, the really
boxy ones with the amazing approach angles).  Portland has quite a big LR
fan club, at least judging by the number of LR-only indies (three that I've
seen, as opposed to five MB-only shops).

That being said, my impression is that they are pretty darn unreliable,
with the notable exception of the ones built when BMW briefly owned the
company.

My question would be, why have a Gelaendewagen if you aren't going to drive
it in the winter?  Yeah, I know, salt.  It still seems like a waste.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Land rover thoughts? dave3u9a

[Fmiser]

 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I'm thinking about getting a beater land rover discovery or range
 rover for my mom so she can spare her nice 2005 G-wagen from salt
 duty. Any thoughts on these cars? Are they crap? I like the
 aluminum bodies that don't rust and they are fairly inexpensive
 once 10 years old or older.

They are not bad.  But clearly not a Mercedes!  Don't expect that
level of engineering or build.

I'm most familiar with the earlier ones - up through Series III.
Those are sturdy, rugged, simple, and capable.  The Disco is
decent, as I understand.  I'd be leery of the complex systems on
some of the Range Rovers.

Is 4WD and off-road capability a requirement?

--  Philip

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