Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Con-tiki crap.  Hokulea is the real deal.


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
October 27, 2017 at 7:16 PM

Poor ancient sailors. They all died. They sailed open water in much
less vessel/craft than we know. Think Kon-Tiki.
tin.man



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Do I see a book deal with a movie contract in their future?


The Life of Pie?  A Perfect Becalming?  Dumber and Dumberer?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There is a movie starring Robert Redford, he is on a boat in the middle 
of the ocean and the movie starts with him waking up in the morning 
after his boat hit a lost cargo container and tears a hole in the side.  
It was a really good movie.



On 10/28/2017 10:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Apparently lots of big floatie stuff out there though, you 
occasionally hear of a boat running into a lost container that is low 
in the water. Out in the open ocean that would be a very small risk, 
but it still happens.  Not sure even having a watch at night could 
prevent that.


Or you could get stove in by a whale.

--FT


On 10/27/17 7:30 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
No rocks out there, average depth is a couple miles.   A few atolls, 
location well known.


Autosailing devices keep the boat on a selected heading, the wind is 
very constant in direction if not intensity on average, at least when 
a significant distance from the equator (which is why they are called 
"trade winds" -- blow the same direction months at a time.


The simple ones are just a small sail rigged up to the rudder to keep 
the sail fluttering -- as the boat drifts off the selected course 
relative to the wind, the small sail pulls the tiller or wheel over 
and moves the rudder.


They are not perfect, but that trip from Hawaii to Tahiti is a very, 
very common deep sea sailing trip, also to a couple atolls in the 
same areas.


And morons take off on the trip all the time without the ability to 
actually navigate or find out where they are after a storm.


Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Apparently lots of big floatie stuff out there though, you occasionally 
hear of a boat running into a lost container that is low in the water.  
Out in the open ocean that would be a very small risk, but it still 
happens.  Not sure even having a watch at night could prevent that.


Or you could get stove in by a whale.

--FT


On 10/27/17 7:30 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

No rocks out there, average depth is a couple miles.   A few atolls, location 
well known.

Autosailing devices keep the boat on a selected heading, the wind is very constant in 
direction if not intensity on average, at least when a significant distance from the 
equator (which is why they are called "trade winds" -- blow the same direction 
months at a time.

The simple ones are just a small sail rigged up to the rudder to keep the sail 
fluttering -- as the boat drifts off the selected course relative to the wind, 
the small sail pulls the tiller or wheel over and moves the rudder.

They are not perfect, but that trip from Hawaii to Tahiti is a very, very 
common deep sea sailing trip, also to a couple atolls in the same areas.

And morons take off on the trip all the time without the ability to actually 
navigate or find out where they are after a storm.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I am guessing they just left it out there and it’s floating around? Or did 
they tow it back in?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2017 at 12:18 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Russ wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess you do that when you don't know how to navigate.
>> 
>> "Associated Press said the women want to repair the boat and sail
>> it back to Hawaii."
> 
> Well, it's either that or sell it for cheap and fly home with the dogs riding 
> in the baggage compartment. Or they could hire a proper deep water captain to 
> sail it home. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The vast majority of them could navigate, actually.  The Polynesian system is 
still being taught, in fact.

Lots of them still vanished, though
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 28, 2017 at 12:18 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Russ wrote:
> 
> > I guess you do that when you don't know how to navigate.
> 
> "Associated Press said the women want to repair the boat and sail
> it back to Hawaii."

Well, it's either that or sell it for cheap and fly home with the dogs riding 
in the baggage compartment. Or they could hire a proper deep water captain to 
sail it home. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Based on the amount of marine growth on the sides of the boat in the
photograph, it has the look of having been "out to sea" for a long while.

Do I see a book deal with a movie contract in their future? ... "What
Happened, Part 2"  Perhaps???

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:18 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Russ wrote:
>
> > I guess you do that when you don't know how to navigate.
>
> "Associated Press said the women want to repair the boat and sail
> it back to Hawaii."
>
> Oh my!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Russ wrote:

> I guess you do that when you don't know how to navigate.

"Associated Press said the women want to repair the boat and sail
it back to Hawaii."

Oh my!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> If you’re in or around shipping lanes, you better have a watch.

Or radar that will beep if something is out there.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

Saw an interview with the two "sailors". They supposley  had a year of 
food supply's

on board.
I guess you do that when you don't know how to navigate.

On Fri,10/27/17 17:16, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

I personally have trouble believing they had 5 months of food aboard for two 
people and two dogs, all of whom look pretty good.  I suspect more like 5 weeks 
or so, although it's possible they were out there a couple months.

Not more.

And yes, people are quite stupid.  They should have been able to get to Tahiti 
with automatic sailing if they had any idea of what they were doing, and you 
should NEVER undertake a trip like that if you cannot do open ocean 
navigation.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Peter wrote:
> And morons take off on the trip all the time without the ability to actually 
> navigate or find out where they are after a storm.

Poor ancient sailors.  They all died.  They sailed open water in much
less vessel/craft than we know.  Think Kon-Tiki.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

No rocks out there, average depth is a couple miles.   A few atolls, location 
well known.

Autosailing devices keep the boat on a selected heading, the wind is very 
constant in direction if not intensity on average, at least when a significant 
distance from the equator (which is why they are called "trade winds" -- blow 
the same direction months at a time.

The simple ones are just a small sail rigged up to the rudder to keep the sail 
fluttering -- as the boat drifts off the selected course relative to the wind, 
the small sail pulls the tiller or wheel over and moves the rudder.

They are not perfect, but that trip from Hawaii to Tahiti is a very, very 
common deep sea sailing trip, also to a couple atolls in the same areas.  

And morons take off on the trip all the time without the ability to actually 
navigate or find out where they are after a storm.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are a number of was to deal wth this:

With two (or more) people you can have watches of maybe two or four hours.

Sleep and let the windvane (autopilot) steer

Lay the boat hove-to so it effectively stops in the water

A lot depends on where you are.  Out in the middle of the ocean you could 
pretty much do whatever you want.  If you’re in or around shipping lanes, you 
better have a watch.

-D


> On Oct 27, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I hear about people going on these long trips in sail boats. So a question 
> has entered my mind. Say 2 people are doing a month long trip in a boat and 
> it is night time. Do they just go to sleep and float wherever they drift 
> during the night? Or what? Or so they take turns sleeping with one awake at 
> all times? If they both sleep at the same time, what happens if a ship comes 
> along and runs them over, or they drift into some rocks?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I hear about people going on these long trips in sail boats. So a question 
has entered my mind. Say 2 people are doing a month long trip in a boat and it 
is night time. Do they just go to sleep and float wherever they drift during 
the night? Or what? Or so they take turns sleeping with one awake at all times? 
If they both sleep at the same time, what happens if a ship comes along and 
runs them over, or they drift into some rocks?

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> On Oct 27, 2017, at 4:32 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Anybody see the story about the two women lost at sea for 5 or 6 months 
> because their engine died. IN A SAIL BOAT
> 
> I can't believe they were even out there if they were that incompetent.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I personally have trouble believing they had 5 months of food aboard for two 
people and two dogs, all of whom look pretty good.  I suspect more like 5 weeks 
or so, although it's possible they were out there a couple months.  

Not more.

And yes, people are quite stupid.  They should have been able to get to Tahiti 
with automatic sailing if they had any idea of what they were doing, and you 
should NEVER undertake a trip like that if you cannot do open ocean 
navigation.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Appel and Tasha Fuiaba, both from Honolulu, had set sail for the Polynesian 
island of Tahiti in the spring. But their boat's engine died in May after a 
bout of inclement weather. They pressed on, hoping to make it to land by sail, 
the Navy said. But they soon found themselves lost. Their distress signals went 
unanswered for months.

Did they have power for EPIRB but not for GPS?
And no knowledge of nonelectronic navigation?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

[MG via Mercedes]

Anybody see the story about the two women lost at sea for 5 or 6 
months because their engine died. IN A SAIL BOAT


I can't believe they were even out there if they were that 
incompetent.


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