Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I've bought SSDs that were thin, with plastic spacers to make them thick. 
If you need the thickness to make the connectors line up, leave the spacer on. 
If your drive bay is thin, or if the drive is screwed from the side and 
thickness doesn't matter, you can remove the spacer. 
Mitch. 
> On December 29, 2019 at 8:11 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> There a 2 thicknesses of laptop 2.5" drives as I found out trying to upgrade 
> one once. I don't know what the actual measurements are but one is 
> significantly thicker than the other.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There a 2 thicknesses of laptop 2.5" drives as I found out trying to upgrade 
one once. I don't know what the actual measurements are but one is 
significantly thicker than the other.

Curt

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  On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 9:29 PM, Scott Ritchey via 
Mercedes wrote:   Most SSD s are the size of a 2.5 inch 
hard disk which will fit most notebook PCs without modification.  But to mount 
a SSD in a 3.5 inch disk slot most folks use an adapter, like: 
https://www.ebay.com/i/202636642812 ; prices vary a lot.

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> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 6:32 PM
> To: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7
> 
> When I did mine, I got a drive bay adapter to put a drive int he dvd
> space.  THen I had a spinning HDD, and the SSD.  It was off and running is a
> short time, but I had maybe 100 gb on the disk.
> 
> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> December
> 28,
> > 2019 at 12:00 PM Assuming you have a SATA (serial) hard drive it's a
> > direct swap except the SSD is physically smaller. The SSDs I bought
> > came with software that to migrate everything on the old hard drive to
> > the SSD. That takes hours, depending on how much data is on the old
> > hard drive. If you do this via USB with the SSD outside the computer
> > you'll need a docking station or hard drive adapter to power the SSD
> > and translate USB to SATA.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Right, and there are similar drive sleds to put a 2.5" drive in a laptop 
dvd slot.   In my case, the dvd was no good anyway, so using that space 
for a second drive was an easy choice.


I bought mine from OWC. (Macsales.com) It came with all the specialized 
tools needed.

Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
December 28, 2019 at 8:28 PM
Most SSD s are the size of a 2.5 inch hard disk which will fit most 
notebook PCs without modification. But to mount a SSD in a 3.5 inch 
disk slot most folks use an adapter, like: 
https://www.ebay.com/i/202636642812 ; prices vary a lot.





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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Most SSD s are the size of a 2.5 inch hard disk which will fit most notebook 
PCs without modification.  But to mount a SSD in a 3.5 inch disk slot most 
folks use an adapter, like: https://www.ebay.com/i/202636642812 ; prices vary a 
lot.

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> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 6:32 PM
> To: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7
> 
> When I did mine, I got a drive bay adapter to put a drive int he dvd
> space.  THen I had a spinning HDD, and the SSD.  It was off and running is a
> short time, but I had maybe 100 gb on the disk.
> 
> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> December
> 28,
> > 2019 at 12:00 PM Assuming you have a SATA (serial) hard drive it's a
> > direct swap except the SSD is physically smaller. The SSDs I bought
> > came with software that to migrate everything on the old hard drive to
> > the SSD. That takes hours, depending on how much data is on the old
> > hard drive. If you do this via USB with the SSD outside the computer
> > you'll need a docking station or hard drive adapter to power the SSD
> > and translate USB to SATA.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When I did mine, I got a drive bay adapter to put a drive int he dvd 
space.  THen I had a spinning HDD, and the SSD.  It was off and running 
is a short time, but I had maybe 100 gb on the disk.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
December 28, 2019 at 12:00 PM
Assuming you have a SATA (serial) hard drive it's a direct swap except 
the SSD is physically smaller. The SSDs I bought came with software 
that to migrate everything on the old hard drive to the SSD. That 
takes hours, depending on how much data is on the old hard drive. If 
you do this via USB with the SSD outside the computer you'll need a 
docking station or hard drive adapter to power the SSD and translate 
USB to SATA.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm glad you mentioned that Win10 doesn't shut down all the way. Some computers 
don't support that, my (now Philip's) XW8600 doesn't for instance and would get 
into reboot cycles until I booted to safe mode and disabled "fast boot" or 
whatever they call it.

Curt

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  On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 1:13 PM, Scott Ritchey via 
Mercedes wrote:   Answering your second question, sort 
of.  SSDs work best if about 10% (or more) of the capacity is reserved for 
provisioning.  So the 1T SSD will have about 90% the capacity of a 1T HD.  As 
mentioned, SSDs shine during when disk access id high, like booting up.  Also, 
Win 10 boots faster than Win 7 because it doesn't start from scratch (like Win 
7 does).  I process a lot of audio and video (like transcoding TiVo files to 
MP4) and the SSD is considerably faster than a mechanical HD.  

I keep my big files on a NAS so my actual computers only need a modest (1/2 T 
or less) HD/SSD.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Larry Turner via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 9:10 AM
To: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
Cc: Larry Turner 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

Thx Scott,
    If I want to install a SSD, is it a straight swap the existing HDD with a 
SDD?  Also, is 1TB on a SDD the same as 1TB on a HDD? Sound like a stupid 
question I know, but...?

    Thx,
Larry

On 12/27/2019 7:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> In my experience, a SSD is the easiest way to speed up a PC,
>
> I had 3 PCs (2 notebooks and a desktop) still running Win 7.  The desktop and 
> one (newer) notebook upgraded to Win 10 just fine.  The older notebook was 
> incompatible in some way and defaulted back to Win 7 (and still runs fine in 
> 7).
>
> I'd recommend trying the free Win 10 upgrade.  Worst case it goes back to Win 
> 7.  Without security fixes, orphan Win 7 systems may (or may not) become a 
> serious security problem in the future.  Why take the chance?
>
> You may (like me) dislike the Win 10 start menu.  If that's the case, try 
> "Classic Shell" which provides a (customizable) Win 7-like start menu.
>
> Scott
>
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>> Larry Turner via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:54 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Larry Turner 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7
>>
>> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about 
>> downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was 
>> wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped 
>> in any way or am I just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the 
>> processor should probably be upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Answering your second question, sort of.  SSDs work best if about 10% (or more) 
of the capacity is reserved for provisioning.  So the 1T SSD will have about 
90% the capacity of a 1T HD.  As mentioned, SSDs shine during when disk access 
id high, like booting up.  Also, Win 10 boots faster than Win 7 because it 
doesn't start from scratch (like Win 7 does).  I process a lot of audio and 
video (like transcoding TiVo files to MP4) and the SSD is considerably faster 
than a mechanical HD.  

I keep my big files on a NAS so my actual computers only need a modest (1/2 T 
or less) HD/SSD.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Larry Turner via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 9:10 AM
To: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
Cc: Larry Turner 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

Thx Scott,
 If I want to install a SSD, is it a straight swap the existing HDD with a 
SDD?  Also, is 1TB on a SDD the same as 1TB on a HDD? Sound like a stupid 
question I know, but...?

 Thx,
Larry

On 12/27/2019 7:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> In my experience, a SSD is the easiest way to speed up a PC,
>
> I had 3 PCs (2 notebooks and a desktop) still running Win 7.  The desktop and 
> one (newer) notebook upgraded to Win 10 just fine.  The older notebook was 
> incompatible in some way and defaulted back to Win 7 (and still runs fine in 
> 7).
>
> I'd recommend trying the free Win 10 upgrade.  Worst case it goes back to Win 
> 7.  Without security fixes, orphan Win 7 systems may (or may not) become a 
> serious security problem in the future.   Why take the chance?
>
> You may (like me) dislike the Win 10 start menu.  If that's the case, try 
> "Classic Shell" which provides a (customizable) Win 7-like start menu.
>
> Scott
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Larry Turner via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:54 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Larry Turner 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7
>>
>> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about 
>> downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was 
>> wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped 
>> in any way or am I just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the 
>> processor should probably be upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Assuming you have a SATA (serial) hard drive it's a direct swap except the SSD 
is physically smaller.  The SSDs I bought came with software that to migrate 
everything on the old hard drive to the SSD. That takes hours, depending on how 
much data is on the old hard drive.  If you do this via USB with the SSD 
outside the computer you'll need a docking station or hard drive adapter to 
power the SSD and translate USB to SATA.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Larry Turner via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 9:10 AM
To: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
Cc: Larry Turner 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

Thx Scott,
 If I want to install a SSD, is it a straight swap the existing HDD with a 
SDD?  Also, is 1TB on a SDD the same as 1TB on a HDD? Sound like a stupid 
question I know, but...?

 Thx,
Larry

On 12/27/2019 7:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> In my experience, a SSD is the easiest way to speed up a PC,
>
> I had 3 PCs (2 notebooks and a desktop) still running Win 7.  The desktop and 
> one (newer) notebook upgraded to Win 10 just fine.  The older notebook was 
> incompatible in some way and defaulted back to Win 7 (and still runs fine in 
> 7).
>
> I'd recommend trying the free Win 10 upgrade.  Worst case it goes back to Win 
> 7.  Without security fixes, orphan Win 7 systems may (or may not) become a 
> serious security problem in the future.   Why take the chance?
>
> You may (like me) dislike the Win 10 start menu.  If that's the case, try 
> "Classic Shell" which provides a (customizable) Win 7-like start menu.
>
> Scott
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Larry Turner via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:54 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Larry Turner 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7
>>
>> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about 
>> downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was 
>> wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped 
>> in any way or am I just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the 
>> processor should probably be upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks for that great explanation Roger!  Very helpful! (Not just to me 
but to others as well, I suspect)


LarryT

On 12/28/2019 9:02 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

Larry,
I pass on to you what I've told before.  I have two old Dell Vostros with Dual 
Core processors.  They were originally 4mb memory which Dell said couldn't be 
upgraded because they never certified it as well as not certifying Win10.  I 
upgraded both to Win10 back in 2016, I think, first year available.
Now, I upgraded the memory on both to 8mb because I could and it worked fine.  
I upgraded the processor on one easily.  I added an SSD drive to one easily.  
They both work fine but are getting old, 2007 and 2008 vintage.  So, in January 
I plan to move everything to two Dell Vostro 470s (2013-2014 vintage) with I 
acquired on eBay for very reasonable prices.  They will have i5 3rd gen 
processors, 8mb of memory, and 1 or 2 terabyte of disk space running Win10 
which I've already loaded using the free upgrade.
If you want optimal performance from Win10, you should upgrade memory to 8mb if 
possible, while 4mb will run good.  A 3.0 ghz processor or close is good 
whether dual core, i3, or i5, or i7.  Again, changing a processor takes about 
20 minutes.  Upgrading memory takes about 5-10 minutes.
If you can, make upgrades to your PC first.  You might also have to go back to 
the PC vendor and get a BIOS upgrade as I did for my Dell 200, but not the Dell 
220.  Then upgrade to Win10.  When it asks for a product key, give it the 
product key for your Win7 and Microsoft will issue you a digital key which 
works just fine.  You can contact me off list if you have any questions.
Good luck and best wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thx Scott,
    If I want to install a SSD, is it a straight swap the existing HDD 
with a SDD?  Also, is 1TB on a SDD the same as 1TB on a HDD? Sound like 
a stupid question I know, but...?


    Thx,
Larry

On 12/27/2019 7:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

In my experience, a SSD is the easiest way to speed up a PC,

I had 3 PCs (2 notebooks and a desktop) still running Win 7.  The desktop and 
one (newer) notebook upgraded to Win 10 just fine.  The older notebook was 
incompatible in some way and defaulted back to Win 7 (and still runs fine in 7).

I'd recommend trying the free Win 10 upgrade.  Worst case it goes back to Win 
7.  Without security fixes, orphan Win 7 systems may (or may not) become a 
serious security problem in the future.   Why take the chance?

You may (like me) dislike the Win 10 start menu.  If that's the case, try "Classic 
Shell" which provides a (customizable) Win 7-like start menu.

Scott


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Turner via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Larry Turner 
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about
downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was wondering
if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped in any way or am I
just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the processor should probably be
upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?

LarryT
06 E350
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[MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Larry,
I pass on to you what I've told before.  I have two old Dell Vostros with Dual 
Core processors.  They were originally 4mb memory which Dell said couldn't be 
upgraded because they never certified it as well as not certifying Win10.  I 
upgraded both to Win10 back in 2016, I think, first year available.
Now, I upgraded the memory on both to 8mb because I could and it worked fine.  
I upgraded the processor on one easily.  I added an SSD drive to one easily.  
They both work fine but are getting old, 2007 and 2008 vintage.  So, in January 
I plan to move everything to two Dell Vostro 470s (2013-2014 vintage) with I 
acquired on eBay for very reasonable prices.  They will have i5 3rd gen 
processors, 8mb of memory, and 1 or 2 terabyte of disk space running Win10 
which I've already loaded using the free upgrade.
If you want optimal performance from Win10, you should upgrade memory to 8mb if 
possible, while 4mb will run good.  A 3.0 ghz processor or close is good 
whether dual core, i3, or i5, or i7.  Again, changing a processor takes about 
20 minutes.  Upgrading memory takes about 5-10 minutes.
If you can, make upgrades to your PC first.  You might also have to go back to 
the PC vendor and get a BIOS upgrade as I did for my Dell 200, but not the Dell 
220.  Then upgrade to Win10.  When it asks for a product key, give it the 
product key for your Win7 and Microsoft will issue you a digital key which 
works just fine.  You can contact me off list if you have any questions.
Good luck and best wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Windows 10 is a good bit different than Windows 7.  I prefer Windows 10.  In 
fact, as a Mac user for about 10 years, Windows 10 is the first version of 
Windows I find acceptable to use.  I am not sure I will purchase another Mac.  
I think Microsoft has really stepped up their game and Apple has been lagging 
since the passing of Steve Jobs.  I just switched to Outlook 2019 after finding 
that my 'sent' mail from Apple Mail goes into the 'trash' folder when using 
Gmail.  I'm sure I could read an article on how to fix this and follow the 
steps, but the whole point of Mac was 'it just works' and it just ain't so no 
more...  Might as well buy a Lenovo or Microsoft laptop with a beautiful touch 
screen...


On 12/27/19, 8:50 PM, "Mercedes on behalf of Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
 wrote:

means little other than winders defender will die.

> fmiser via Mercedes 
> December 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM
>> Larry wrote:
>> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread
>> about downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.
>> But I was wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing
>> would be helped in any way or am I just wasting time.
> If you care about things like security updates, you don't really
> have an option.  In a few weeks, Win7 is being dropped by
> Microsoft.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > fmiser wrote:
> > >
> > > If you care about things like security updates, you don't
> > > really have an option.  In a few weeks, Win7 is being
> > > dropped by Microsoft.

> > Curley wrote:
> >
> > means little other than winders defender will die.

> Craig wrote:
> 
> So if Windows Defender is the only thing which will go out of
> date, will having a good third party antivirus/etc. be the
> ticket?

If you use the computer on the internet, you can take your
chances.  The folks hacking system and encrypting them and holding
the data hostage is a real threat.  That is what my friend who
knows and uses MSWin says.  One of the things he does is fix the
systems (re-install) so infected.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is all I saw when M$ "killed XP"   I'm still running xp with 
avast.   I've seen no problems, but then I don't receive email, so no 
phishing on any xp machine.   It would have to be a hard targeted hack, 
and no reason for anyone to do that.



Craig via Mercedes 
December 27, 2019 at 8:30 PM
On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 19:49:16 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes

So if Windows Defender is the only thing which will go out of date,
will having a good third party antivirus/etc. be the ticket?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 19:49:16 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> means little other than winders defender will die.
> 
> > fmiser via Mercedes 
> > December 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM
> >
> > If you care about things like security updates, you don't really
> > have an option.  In a few weeks, Win7 is being dropped by
> > Microsoft.

So if Windows Defender is the only thing which will go out of date,
will having a good third party antivirus/etc. be the ticket?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

means little other than winders defender will die.


fmiser via Mercedes 
December 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM

Larry wrote:
Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread
about downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.
But I was wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing
would be helped in any way or am I just wasting time.

If you care about things like security updates, you don't really
have an option.  In a few weeks, Win7 is being dropped by
Microsoft.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I had to move ours to 10.13 also.  I was not happy about it, but so far 
no different than 10.11, only some websites quit whining about safari 
being out of date and not supported.   Now the tables are turned, and it 
is apfel who forces you to update and arbitrarily tells you your 
hardware is not good, even though the new computers sell with 
essentially the same processors; while microshaft arbitrarily quits 
supporting an OS, but does not prevent you from running it on a 
machine.  RIght now I think M$ does a better job of supporting older 
hdw, than apfel.   Bah!  Fie on them all!



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 27, 2019 at 6:53 PM
I've found an SSD will speed boot times and precious little else but 
then again I tend to have access to pretty high end drives.
Some of my customers claim Win10 is considerably faster than 7. I'm 
not a fan but due to end of support I'm moving my classrooms to 
it.Rather than using the start menu in 10 I just hit the windows key 
and start typing what I want. It finds it way faster than I could go 
through the bloated start menu.
Sadly MacOS really isn't any better. I had to update my Mac Pro to 
High Sierra to get away from the reboot bug and it just won't shut up 
about going to Mojave. Actually I'm surprised it still wants me to go 
to Mojave and not Catalina...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Larry wrote:

> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread
> about downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.
> But I was wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing
> would be helped in any way or am I just wasting time.

If you care about things like security updates, you don't really
have an option.  In a few weeks, Win7 is being dropped by
Microsoft.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've found an SSD will speed boot times and precious little else but then 
again I tend to have access to pretty high end drives.
Some of my customers claim Win10 is considerably faster than 7. I'm not a fan 
but due to end of support I'm moving my classrooms to it.Rather than using the 
start menu in 10 I just hit the windows key and start typing what I want. It 
finds it way faster than I could go through the bloated start menu.
Sadly MacOS really isn't any better. I had to update my Mac Pro to High Sierra 
to get away from the reboot bug and it just won't shut up about going to 
Mojave. Actually I'm surprised it still wants me to go to Mojave and not 
Catalina...
-Curt

On Friday, December 27, 2019, 7:35:09 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 In my experience, a SSD is the easiest way to speed up a PC,

I had 3 PCs (2 notebooks and a desktop) still running Win 7.  The desktop and 
one (newer) notebook upgraded to Win 10 just fine.  The older notebook was 
incompatible in some way and defaulted back to Win 7 (and still runs fine in 
7).  

I'd recommend trying the free Win 10 upgrade.  Worst case it goes back to Win 
7.  Without security fixes, orphan Win 7 systems may (or may not) become a 
serious security problem in the future.  Why take the chance?

You may (like me) dislike the Win 10 start menu.  If that's the case, try 
"Classic Shell" which provides a (customizable) Win 7-like start menu.

Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Larry Turner via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:54 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Larry Turner 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7
> 
> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about
> downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was wondering
> if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped in any way or am I
> just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the processor should probably be
> upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?
> 
> LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In my experience, a SSD is the easiest way to speed up a PC,

I had 3 PCs (2 notebooks and a desktop) still running Win 7.  The desktop and 
one (newer) notebook upgraded to Win 10 just fine.  The older notebook was 
incompatible in some way and defaulted back to Win 7 (and still runs fine in 
7).  

I'd recommend trying the free Win 10 upgrade.  Worst case it goes back to Win 
7.  Without security fixes, orphan Win 7 systems may (or may not) become a 
serious security problem in the future.   Why take the chance?

You may (like me) dislike the Win 10 start menu.  If that's the case, try 
"Classic Shell" which provides a (customizable) Win 7-like start menu.

Scott

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> Larry Turner via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:54 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Larry Turner 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7
> 
> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about
> downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was wondering
> if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped in any way or am I
> just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the processor should probably be
> upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?
> 
> LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

THe propaganda when Los10 was new was that it would make older machines 
run faster.  I doubt it is true now as they continue to add layers of 
patches and bloatware. Most the type and generation of processor, speed, 
and amount of RAM and the brains here can help more.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 27, 2019 at 3:54 PM
Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about 
downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was 
wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped 
in any way or am I just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the 
processor should probably be upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?


LarryT


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

How much memory does the computer have?  That is usually the best way to 
speed things up, besides another processor


-_FT

On 12/27/19 4:54 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about 
downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was 
wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped 
in any way or am I just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD but the 
processor should probably be upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?


LarryT
06 E350
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[MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread about 
downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.  But I was 
wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing would be helped in 
any way or am I just wasting time.  It has a 2TB HDD  but the processor 
should probably be upgraded.  Anyway, suggestions?


LarryT
06 E350
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